We All Love Ed.....but

[Xville]

Those are all-star caliber players. Why do you think Semaj struggling to stick in the NBA? He was shooting 19% from three before he got sent down the NBDL. He is big enough and athletic enough to play in the NBA, but he can't shoot a lick.

So u can not shoot a lick yet be an all star caliber player. You just proved my point.

[XUFan09]

Ed air-balled a wide open 3 earlier this year in Cintas. Also, teams play off Ed because they know he can't shoot. I agree, anointing Q the next Steph wild, but I don't think it's inaccurate to say that we could have more hope for Q's outside shot than Ed's.

Yeah, and Q has airballed multiple threes. I don't think an airball here and there is actually relevant next to the overall shooting, but hey, if you want to bring it up, it just supports my skepticism. Yes, defenders have played off Ed, but there are degrees of playing off a guy. No one has regularly played as far off Ed as the Creighton defense played off Q. Heck, Creighton didn't even contest some of Q's attempts. They basically told him to shoot it like Xavier told Angel Delgado to shoot the midrange jumper in the game before.

We might have hopes for his shot long-term, but I'm not expecting much as a freshman.

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Following this thread helped me get through work today. Thanks everybody!

[XUFan09]

So Ed played 696 minutes this year and made 12 three pointers at a 27% clip.

Goodin has played 385 minutes and has made 9 threes pointers at a .375% clip.

Ed really wasn't even a threat from three. That's why I'm struggling to see him have a long NBA career, even fully healthy. You HAVE to be able to shoot in the NBA. Freakin' DeMarcus Cousins can stroke it from deep. I mean, just about every wing and guard can shoot the ball.

I'm not saying Goodin is going to make 4 threes a game, certainly not, but he is going to be a legitimate threat from three, unlike Ed.

And please, I am NOT knocking Ed. We would be SO much better with Ed in the lineup, along with Goodin.

You have at least improved from treating a single game as substantial. Still, they are very small sample sizes. I don't know why you're using minutes played when we have the actual number of attempts. Ed has only 44 attempts on the season while Q has a measly 24 attempts. The margin of error (with 95% confidence) on Ed's "true shooting percentage" is +/-13%. For Q, it's +/-19%. Those are massive margins of error. Heck, Q actually falls just short of the minimum number of attempts needed to justify assuming a normal distribution. That's how small the sample size is.

I've never thought that you or most on this board are actually bashing Ed. I just think we shouldn't expect Q to be noticeabley better than Ed as a shooter. It's a possibility, but they are more likely on a similar level.

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[xu82]

It's possible that I hated Stats more than Theology. Tough call....

[mirabilelectu]

Yeah, and Q has airballed multiple threes. I don't think an airball here and there is actually relevant next to the overall shooting, but hey, if you want to bring it up, it just supports my skepticism. Yes, defenders have played off Ed, but there are degrees of playing off a guy. No one has regularly played as far off Ed as the Creighton defense played off Q. Heck, Creighton didn't even contest some of Q's attempts. They basically told him to shoot it like Xavier told Angel Delgado to shoot the midrange jumper in the game before.

We might have hopes for his shot long-term, but I'm not expecting much as a freshman.

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I guess the difference between our POVs is that I can remember teams playing off of Ed too, far enough that he could have gotten shots off and chose not to. Kind of why, for me, the minutes played stat is still meaningful (though I agree, your point about margin of error makes the comparison almost moot); I guess I feel like Ed has a proclivity for going to the hole, and some of that stems from his confidence in his shot. Great stats though re: their percentages.

[paulxu]

The greatest 3 point shooter in the history of the game

[GOX]

So u can not shoot a lick yet be an all star caliber player. You just proved my point.

Not Really. You can be an NBA point guard with no shot if you are an EXTRAORIDARY floor coach and and have an EXCEPTIONAL eye for the open man and play EXCEPTIONAL defense.
Ed has no outside shot, is distracted with finding his path to the basket, and is not a defensive stalwart .
Ed is an EXCEPTIONAL athlete who plays basketball. The NBA s scouts were so impressed with his ATHLETICISM they would take a chance on building out his body and game.
It is understandable that the average equated his athleticism with his basketball skills. But we on this Board are not average.

[xu82]

Not Really. You can be an NBA point guard with no shot if you are an EXTRAORIDARY floor coach and and have an EXCEPTIONAL eye for the open man and play EXCEPTIONAL defense.
Ed has no outside shot, is distracted with finding his path to the basket, and is not a defensive stalwart .
Ed is an EXCEPTIONAL athlete who plays basketball. The NBA s scouts were so impressed with his ATHLETICISM they would take a chance on building out his body and game.
It is understandable that the average equated his athleticism with his basketball skills. But we on this Board are not average.

I beg your pardon, but I aspire to be average one day!

[Xville]

Not Really. You can be an NBA point guard with no shot if you are an EXTRAORIDARY floor coach and and have an EXCEPTIONAL eye for the open man and play EXCEPTIONAL defense.
Ed has no outside shot, is distracted with finding his path to the basket, and is not a defensive stalwart .
Ed is an EXCEPTIONAL athlete who plays basketball. The NBA s scouts were so impressed with his ATHLETICISM they would take a chance on building out his body and game.
It is understandable that the average equated his athleticism with his basketball skills. But we on this Board are not average.

Your original point was that you have to be able to shoot in the NBA, I pointed out two that are very medicare shooters that have had long successful NBA careers. Sumner can develop the other parts of his game to have a successful career.

You stated that Semaj can't stick because he can't shoot and equated rhat as to why Sumner can't make it. Semaj has more problems than not being able to shoot. Shooting is only one reason why he isn't sticking.