Politics Thread

[Caf]

Hey man, this type of logic is the EXACT reason why I support one of the centuries worst human rights abuser. You did this to yourself.

Specifically with the admiration of Castro and Putin it goes both ways, but I guess I am quite the elitist.

[GoMuskies]

For those who believe it is impossible for Roe v. Wade to ever be overturned, I'd like to point out a statement made by William Pryor, one of the judges reported to be on Trump's short list for Supreme Court appointment: Pryor once called Roe v. Wade the "worst abomination in the history of constitutional law."

[LA Muskie]

If Trump gets to replace either RBG or Breyer, Roe v Wade is a dead man walking.


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[boozehound]

I never thought I'd see the day where some Republicans are not just sympathetic to Putin and Russia, but also more trusting of them than our own intelligence agencies. Reagan would be losing his shit right now.

Dead on. The problem for Trump supporters, and the GOP in general, is that is tough to admit that the candidate you voted for is such that Vladimir Putin found it fit to intervene in an effort to try to help him get elected. It's much easier to say that the CIA and FBI are wrong and/or biased. Plus, many are already in the habit of denying fact.

The reality is that this should not be a partisan issue, and should instead be cause for concern and outrage on the part of all Americans. We obviously can't / shouldn't / aren't going to go back and re-do the election, and I'm not sure that Russia's intervention made much of a difference, but we should all have Donald Trump and his administration on a VERY short leash.

How the party of Reagan turned into the party of Trump and Putin is beyond me.

[Strange Brew]

Dead on. The problem for Trump supporters, and the GOP in general, is that is tough to admit that the candidate you voted for is such that Vladimir Putin found it fit to intervene in an effort to try to help him get elected. It's much easier to say that the CIA and FBI are wrong and/or biased. Plus, many are already in the habit of denying fact.

The reality is that this should not be a partisan issue, and should instead be cause for concern and outrage on the part of all Americans. We obviously can't / shouldn't / aren't going to go back and re-do the election, and I'm not sure that Russia's intervention made much of a difference, but we should all have Donald Trump and his administration on a VERY short leash.

How the party of Reagan turned into the party of Trump and Putin is beyond me.

How the party of JFK turned into the party of Castro, Chavez and Obama is beyond me...

[boozehound]

How the party of JFK turned into the party of Castro, Chavez and Obama is beyond me...

Thank you for the fantastic illustration of my point.

People have given up their right to think for themselves, and partisanship rules above all else. When faced with essentially the fact that Russia interfered in our we are more concerned with bashing the other side. We pick sides of the political spectrum like we pick sports teams, and support them with the same blind loyalty. I guess at the end of the day picking a side and following blindly is much easier than independent thought...

Again, this is an issue we should ALL be very concerned about. Obama being a pussy with respect to Chavez and (especially) Castro has nothing to do with Russia. The stakes are far higher here, since Russia is just a little more dangerous than Cuba or Venezuela.

[LadyMuskie]

To me a Trump presidency is like when Mufasa dies and Scar takes over. He introduces the hyenas as they slowly come out of the darkness and all the animals are like "whoa wait wtf is this about!?"
The hyenas are excited that's for sure.

I logged in just to rep you for this, but the newly revealed hyenas are denying me the right to do so. Anyway . . . brilliant analogy.

[bobbiemcgee]

Guess we'll see more power grabs and Santa's arrested:


http://www.newsobserver.com/news/pol...121374038.html

[Strange Brew]

Thank you for the fantastic illustration of my point.

People have given up their right to think for themselves, and partisanship rules above all else. When faced with essentially the fact that Russia interfered in our we are more concerned with bashing the other side. We pick sides of the political spectrum like we pick sports teams, and support them with the same blind loyalty. I guess at the end of the day picking a side and following blindly is much easier than independent thought...

Again, this is an issue we should ALL be very concerned about. Obama being a pussy with respect to Chavez and (especially) Castro has nothing to do with Russia. The stakes are far higher here, since Russia is just a little more dangerous than Cuba or Venezuela.

So, what do YOU think the stakes are? Vlad's a lot of things but he's not suicidal. Remember it wasn't that long ago that a certain Sec of State signed off on selling his country a large quantity of uranium and a Pres assured Vlad via proxy that he'd have more leeway in his second term. The hysterics about Russia by this Pres, the press and many who hate Trump are borderline certifiable.

But alas I guess some live in the history of right now..

[boozehound]

So, what do YOU think the stakes are? Vlad's a lot of things but he's not suicidal. Remember it wasn't that long ago that a certain Sec of State signed off on selling his country a large quantity of uranium and a Pres assured Vlad via proxy that he'd have more leeway in his second term. The hysterics about Russia by this Pres, the press and many who hate Trump are borderline certifiable.

But alas I guess some live in the history of right now..

You are on fire! Responding to my assertion that this should not be a partisan issue with the equivalent of "Yeah well Obama did XXX". The Obama administration was too soft on Russia. Almost all Republicans agree with that sentiment. Or at least they did...

As far as the stakes: I consider intervention in our electoral process by a hostile foreign government to be a pretty big fucking deal, regardless of how effective it may or may not have been. Are you seriously suggesting that we should have no response? Where does that move the line to as far as what is and isn't considered appropriate? Shit, 2 months ago when everybody thought that Trump was going to lose all his supporters talked about was how the election was rigged and how terrible that was. Now we have found out that Russia was actively trying to rig the election and it's just water under the bridge? I happen to believe that fair elections are one of the key principles of our Democracy, and I don't want foreign entities influencing them.

If you want to reject the FBI, CIA, and Director of National intelligence because they are telling a story that doesn't fit the narrative being peddled by our reality TV star turned President, then I guess I don't really have anything more to say to you on that subject, because it seems clear that you won't find this an issue until it hurts your 'team'.

If this was the last election and Putin had been found to be helping Obama getting elected I would wager that your (and many other people's) reaction would be quite different. Funny how many of the same people who spent 8 years accusing Obama of being too soft on Russia are fine with a President who is willing to allow Vladimir Putin to attempt to play 'kingmaker' with the highest office in the land while he gives him the verbal equivalent of a Swedish Massage.