Politics Thread

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Originally Posted by Masterofreality

Those are not policy issues Paul.
Everything you point out was rejected by the voters in 2016 as irrelevant because Billary was one of the most corrupt politicians ever. Remember?

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And when the voters figured him out as one of the worst presidents ever, he was rejected by the voters as irrelevant in 2020. Remember

Just to be clear, I have major disagreements with his policies, and think they have been incredibly damaging to our country, and the world.
As best as I can tell, he was determined to overturn everything that Obama touched out of some sort of desire he was the greatest.

He attacked, and the party still is, the ACA that brought health care to 20 million Americans. Where was the great replacement plan promised since 2010?
He took us out of the Paris accord when climate change is a challenge for the future. You don't like it, stay and make it better. Don't run away like a child.
He took us out of the Iran deal on some bullshit pretense, and they are enriching uranium as a result, making the world a far more dangerous place.
He sucked up to dictators and wished people would treat him like they force their people to treat them. Far from statesmanship.
He separated families at the boarder, and they don't even know where the children can go to reunite with their parents.
He promised Mexico would pay for the wall. Really?
He instructed executive branch people to ignore valid subpoenas from Congress who has the power to oversee the Executive.
He disrespects our military, calling them suckers and losers. And wanted "my generals" to lick his boots until even they had enough.

I could go on and on. He is one of the world's greatest con man, and he's convinced 77% of Republicans that the election was stolen, despite his own people saying it was the most secure ever.

Style doesn't count, but substance does. And he has no substance. He whines for millions on twitter...and you buy into it just like the Trump University suckers.

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Originally Posted by Xville

And you can get it again but ok. Sorry but anyone who doesnt vaccinate is a fucking moron

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First, getting it again is extremely rare, and most cases were due to multiple positive tests, which is different than actually having CV19 twice. In fact if people were commonly getting it twice, it means there is no lasting immunity, which means a vaccine would be worthless.

As to the vaccine, it is not without risk. This is the first ever vaccine based on the new mRNA technology, and it was developed in 10 months, compared to the typical ~5 years. The clinical trials were not flawless, and now it's going to be shuttled around the country with uncertainty in handling and storage protocol. On the disease side of the equation, we're not dealing with small pox or ebola. This is a disease with a 0.2% IFR, and for those healthy and young/middle aged, it's under 0.01%.

Based on that, each person, in consultation with their doctor, has to make a risk management decision for themselves about if they should take the vaccine now, later, or ever. If someone is young and healthy, there may be less risk in getting CV19, then in taking the vaccine. For those who are elderly and/or have comorbidities, they may feel the small risk of the vaccine is their best choice. Some people may be unable to take whether they want it or not, for various reasons.

People aren't "fucking morons" if they feel it best to not take the vaccine.

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

First, getting it again is extremely rare, and most cases were due to multiple positive tests, which is different than actually having CV19 twice. In fact if people were commonly getting it twice, it means there is no lasting immunity, which means a vaccine would be worthless.

As to the vaccine, it is not without risk. This is the first ever vaccine based on the new mRNA technology, and it was developed in 10 months, compared to the typical ~5 years. The clinical trials were not flawless, and now it's going to be shuttled around the country with uncertainty in handling and storage protocol. On the disease side of the equation, we're not dealing with small pox or ebola. This is a disease with a 0.2% IFR, and for those healthy and young/middle aged, it's under 0.01%.

Based on that, each person, in consultation with their doctor, has to make a risk management decision for themselves about if they should take the vaccine now, later, or ever. If someone is young and healthy, there may be less risk in getting CV19, then in taking the vaccine. For those who are elderly and/or have comorbidities, they may feel the small risk of the vaccine is their best choice. Some people may be unable to take whether they want it or not, for various reasons.

People aren't "fucking morons" if they feel it best to not take the vaccine.

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There were NO corners cut when developing this vaccine. What made this possible this quickly was red tape unrelated to safety being lifted and unprecedented money dumped into the research and the leading experts all over the world focused on making this vaccine. The testing in terms of the amount of people is on par with other vaccines. And nearly all side effects from vaccines happen in the first 6 weeks which the studies haven’t shown anything major in.

It definitely had a stupid fucking name picked “operation warp speed”. Not sure who chose that but very poor choice.

It’s also funny to me that a lot of the same people who have dismissed any potential unknown long term side effects of getting COVID are the ones saying they would never get the vaccine for the same reason. The risk of significant adverse reaction from a covid vaccine is minuscule compared to risks associated with actually getting Covid.

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

First, getting it again is extremely rare, and most cases were due to multiple positive tests, which is different than actually having CV19 twice. In fact if people were commonly getting it twice, it means there is no lasting immunity, which means a vaccine would be worthless.

As to the vaccine, it is not without risk. This is the first ever vaccine based on the new mRNA technology, and it was developed in 10 months, compared to the typical ~5 years. The clinical trials were not flawless, and now it's going to be shuttled around the country with uncertainty in handling and storage protocol. On the disease side of the equation, we're not dealing with small pox or ebola. This is a disease with a 0.2% IFR, and for those healthy and young/middle aged, it's under 0.01%.

Based on that, each person, in consultation with their doctor, has to make a risk management decision for themselves about if they should take the vaccine now, later, or ever. If someone is young and healthy, there may be less risk in getting CV19, then in taking the vaccine. For those who are elderly and/or have comorbidities, they may feel the small risk of the vaccine is their best choice. Some people may be unable to take whether they want it or not, for various reasons.

People aren't "fucking morons" if they feel it best to not take the vaccine.

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Seriously twilight zone. Yes they are fucking morons if they "feel" it is best to not take the vaccine. The only ones who shouldn't are the ones that are told not to by their medical professionals.

If you "feel it best" not to just well because, with no medical intervention, you are putting your fellow citizens unnecessarily at risk, like my children, who wont be able to get the vaccine at this time. That's just being a selfish douchebag fucktard.

Shockingly, the same person who has made a big deal about wearing a fucking mask and trying to prove how it isnt efficient, has had covid and isnt going to get vaccinated because he basically doesnt feel like it. You and your buddy lou are on the wrong side of this...good work.

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Originally Posted by Xville

Seriously twilight zone. Yes they are fucking morons if they "feel" it is best to not take the vaccine. The only ones who shouldn't are the ones that are told not to by their medical professionals.

If you "feel it best" not to just well because, with no medical intervention, you are putting your fellow citizens unnecessarily at risk, like my children, who wont be able to get the vaccine at this time. That's just being a selfish douchebag fucktard.

Shockingly, the same person who has made a big deal about wearing a fucking mask and trying to prove how it isnt efficient, has had covid and isnt going to get vaccinated because he basically doesnt feel like it. You and your buddy lou are on the wrong side of this...good work.

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Man, you're a nasty one. You need to take a step back and check what you say to people.

Also I never said I won't take the vaccine. I will do so in time, after all those who need it more than I have taken it. But I do respect others' beliefs and right to make their own decision about it.

Regarding Lou, you do realize that if he had CV19, it's the same as if he had the vaccine, right? Either way his body was induced into an immune response that will prevent him from getting it again as long as that immune response lasts. There's no reason for him to get the vaccine at this time.

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

There were NO corners cut when developing this vaccine. What made this possible this quickly was red tape unrelated to safety being lifted and unprecedented money dumped into the research and the leading experts all over the world focused on making this vaccine. The testing in terms of the amount of people is on par with other vaccines. And nearly all side effects from vaccines happen in the first 6 weeks which the studies haven’t shown anything major in.

It definitely had a stupid fucking name picked “operation warp speed”. Not sure who chose that but very poor choice.

It’s also funny to me that a lot of the same people who have dismissed any potential unknown long term side effects of getting COVID are the ones saying they would never get the vaccine for the same reason. The risk of significant adverse reaction from a covid vaccine is minuscule compared to risks associated with actually getting Covid.

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I recognize and appreciate the rigor of the safety checks put into this vaccine, but do realize sometimes that "red tape" is for good reason, and I'm not a red tape person! I'm very hopeful it's safe. If so, Operation Warp Speed will have be as amazing as another Manhattan Project.

Of note, I like the name. Now if it was "Operation Ludacris Speed", that would have been bad!

No I'm not getting this flu-shot either.

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Originally Posted by tacopizza885

Just curious how some on this board would reply to this Pastor's opinion. I haven't done a ton of research on his background or previous work, just know he's also an author. With that said, I'm sure he's been targeted, discredited, and diminished in right wing circles. As previously mentioned in my posts, I think the republican party abandoned quite a few of us.

The post:
https://johnpavlovitz.com/2020/11/17...ted-for-trump/

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Never even mentions God. Hmmm.

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Originally Posted by waggy

No I'm not getting this flu-shot either.

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We got a real bad ass over here.

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Originally Posted by STL_XUfan

We got a real bad ass over here.

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I've never had a flu shot. And haven't had the flu in at least 25 years.