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Originally Posted by joe titan

It does seem perplexing that NCAA goes to substantial lengths to compare specific core courses at Lawrence to determine the overlap to courses at Mountain St, but cannot figure out on timely basis how a Memphis player received passing grade in one more advanced math course without passing a more basic course first.

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Ha! That's good stuff.

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Originally Posted by wkrq59

I still believe as I have stated in the past that there is just too much coincidence in the fact that Xavier has a player denied full qualifying status by the NCAA after a high school coach bitched out both Xavier and Mack when the player decided to go to an academy to bolster his academics.
It's plain the coach has motive and opportunity to screw Xavier by simply sending a transcript to the academy which shows the student completed one core course when in fact he hadn't or affixing a name to a so-called core course when in fact it was not.

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How would the coach at St. Vincent St. Mary have access to Justin Martin's transcripts?

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Originally Posted by cheese

How would the coach at St. Vincent St. Mary have access to Justin Martin's transcripts?

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Last year the coach( Keefer I think ) from Lawrence North went on a similar tirade against Mack & Co.

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Originally Posted by flatspat

Last year the coach( Keefer I think ) from Lawrence North went on a similar tirade against Mack & Co.

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I did not know that.

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Originally Posted by flatspat

Last year the coach( Keefer I think ) from Lawrence North went on a similar tirade against Mack & Co.

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Thank you flatspat. I was thinking of the coach at LN. He was far more pissed than the guy at ASTVSTM. Thing was, Tom Crean was involved supplying nasty asides to the Indy Star reporter who wrote the story. Thing is, Justin Martin is ujltimately the one who is hurt by this, and if it can be proved, Steele's hunting in the fine Hoosier state can only get better.

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Originally Posted by flatspat

Last year the coach( Keefer I think ) from Lawrence North went on a similar tirade against Mack & Co.

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Yeah, well, the HS coaches who bitch need to take a chill pill.

I lost a lot of respect for Dru Joyce over his tirade on Jakarr Sampson. Uncalled for. I had always thought that Joyce was a good coach, a good man and only had his kids best interest at heart, not his own selfish "State Championship" needs. That little bitch session changed my opinion. Sampson and his family made the decision themselves. CMack or the staff had nothing to do with it. Joyce has never sent a kid to Xavier though. Whatever.

How the HS coaches should handle it is how St. Edwards' Eric Flannery handled it after Pitino directed James "Zach" Price to move to Kentucky- with class. All Flannery said was that he wished "the best for James and his development." Period. Eric Flannery has the 100% respect of every college coach in America because A) He develops good basketball players and kids, B) When he gives a coach a player analysis, he never sugarcoats it or pumps it up, C) He never, ever throws a coach under the bus. Flannery has been named to coach many National under 18 teams that competed Internationally and he's developed plenty of D-1 talent.

If the NCAA wants to investigate stuff, they should investigate Slick Rick. What he did with Price was almost identical to BeelzeBob suddenly relocating Dumbtonio Wingfield to Cincinnati a few years ago to a school who would write any grade they needed on a transcript to make Wingfield eligible- with one exception- St. Eds actually educates their kids and Price's grades were OK. The Price move had nothing to do with academics only Slick being able to get Price closer to monitor him.

The NCAA ought to look in the state next door to the south. It's a close easy drive, there's plenty of dirty laundry in Louisville and Lexington to clean out and it wouldn't be to hard to find it.

I think I've posted this before but I have an old friend from HS who works in the guidance department at Hughes HS and he told me that the requirements to qualify for NCAA are really black and white. There are a list of courses that the NCAA requires you to take, and have different Test score and GPA requirements. They are laid out clearly in Prop 16 and 48 of the NCAA rules (Actual rules not linked, just article explaining them). Additionally schools are required to review transcripts of student-athletes prior to them making an official visit to help check out whether they will qualify. I do not know who is at fault but somewhere along the lines someone wasn't doing their job properly which is how Martin took the wrong classes and didn't qualify.

I've also read places, I can't recall where, but Chandler's de-commitment from Louisville had to do with an academic situation similar to Martin's. Let's just hope that Xavier's compliance department is now on notice because of Martin and make sure the same thing doesn't happen a second time around.

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Originally Posted by xu05usmc

I think I've posted this before but I have an old friend from HS who works in the guidance department at Hughes HS and he told me that the requirements to qualify for NCAA are really black and white. There are a list of courses that the NCAA requires you to take, and have different Test score and GPA requirements. They are laid out clearly in Prop 16 and 48 of the NCAA rules (Actual rules not linked, just article explaining them). Additionally schools are required to review transcripts of student-athletes prior to them making an official visit to help check out whether they will qualify. I do not know who is at fault but somewhere along the lines someone wasn't doing their job properly which is how Martin took the wrong classes and didn't qualify.

I've also read places, I can't recall where, but Chandler's de-commitment from Louisville had to do with an academic situation similar to Martin's. Let's just hope that Xavier's compliance department is now on notice because of Martin and make sure the same thing doesn't happen a second time around.

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The requirements are black-and-white. But the titles and curricula of courses are not. The issue of CORE course qualification almost arises (as it did with Martin) when a player transfers during high school and takes a class at his new school that the NCAA determines was too similar to a course at his prior school and therefore is repetitive of (instead of in addition to) CORE courses previously taken. Now GPA and test scores, those are black-and-white in all respects.

http://www.thehoopside.com/top-prospects.php
this is a list of the top 20 in Indiana regardless of grade...note that marquis teague is NOT #1 as his stats are fairly average (16 and 5 last season) and Hanner Perea is not as high as most people would put him but the two games that I have seen him at he had 13 points and 9 points while getting somewhere in the neighborhood of 8-12 rebounds each time. His athleticism is insane but the rest is just hype because they saw him do an astounding dunk. I really like the way Xavier is recruiting in Indiana, it is definitely a solid source of recruits in the upcoming seasons as a lot will be overlooked due to the standout players who already receive so much attention.


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That site can't be serious placing Austin Etherington ahead of D'Vauntes & Darwin. I have seen that kid play and to me do not think he will be all that great of a college player. I think he will have a hard time playing much at IU and would not be surprised if he transfers out at some point with the way IU is trying to recruit over him.