Politics Thread

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

You mean other than the dead body?

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So anytime a person of opposite color kills someone, it’s racist? That’s the problem with this country. Not everything has to be because the color of ones skin. Are there racists? Absolutely. It doesn’t discriminate, people of all colors have racism with in it. Until we get over that then we will be in the same situation we have been forever. Stop making everything about race. Just do a google search of white people killed by cops and everything that comes up is the number of black people who were killed by cops. That just fuels the fire. Black lives matter gets clicks, white people killed, not so much.

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Originally Posted by Masterofreality

Divisive? Inflamatory? Why, because he's telling places to uphold the law? He's said nothing other than the act on Mr. Floyd was a crime, period. He's calling for law and order. If it's not, then he'll make sure it's upheld? Seems like when he didn't say anything Sunday night, the riots went right on without any of his fuel..and police stood by and watched. If you are referring to him calling rioters "Thugs", welp, go back to what Obama said about the Baltimore riot "Thugs". And having a Black President sure didn't stop riots in Ferguson and Baltiomre and Charlotte. Hmmmm.
So, Trump is supposed to support anarchy now? Great plan.
And, yeah. He's been called racist all over the place by *some* on here. #ChildPlease

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Honestly when you post things like this, they arent even worth a reply.

Did I say he was supposed to support anarchy? No, you made that up. FAKE NEWS

Did I say he hasn't been called a racist? No, you made that up. FAKE NEWS

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Originally Posted by xavierj

Exactly. He is an idiot for not letting up and should be sent to prison, but there is nothing that says he is racist just as there is no proof the other three non white cops with him are racist too. Just as any time a black cop kills a white guy or even a black guy, it doesn’t mean they are racist. Maybe they make a mistake and get to heated or in some cases they are scared shitless so they shoot and kill a guy, but I don’t think we have a race problem within our law enforcement system. Hell a lot of departments are run by black people. The media and in my opinion, a lot of left leaning people want to keep race and hate alive. People claim to want racial harmony but I don’t see it. Constantly telling a race that people hate you and your life is unfair and you can’t get ahead because of your skin color and the cops are after you and you know that your ancestors were slaves, does nothing but fuel the hate and racial divide. Enough is enough.

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It's funny you think the media has to tell them that. Hilarious actually.

I love white people telling black people there is no racism. :facepalm:

What do you have to say to the millions of black people out there who experience it during their daily life? They are wrong? They are making it up? They are just looking for a victim mentality? Why are you completely dismissive of their experiences? Have you talked to any of them?

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Originally Posted by xavierj

So anytime a person of opposite color kills someone, it’s racist? That’s the problem with this country. Not everything has to be because the color of ones skin. Are there racists? Absolutely. It doesn’t discriminate, people of all colors have racism with in it. Until we get over that then we will be in the same situation we have been forever. Stop making everything about race. Just do a google search of white people killed by cops and everything that comes up is the number of black people who were killed by cops. That just fuels the fire. Black lives matter gets clicks, white people killed, not so much.

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At this point, you have to have your head in the sand to think white Americans and black Americans have the same experience with police, or that there isn't merit to the idea that black people are treated less fairly by police. Is that not racism? Yes, I've seen the stats that cops kill more white people than black people. The nuance that folks pointing to those numbers (willfully) miss is that this difference in treatment isn't borne out by one or two statistics. It's made up largely of the subtle difference in treatment during routine stops, patrols, etc. that add up every day for years and years. Pretty much everyone is intelligent enough to process a somewhat intangible concept like this, but many choose not to and hide behind pure statistics as a shield. Not to cheapen the dialogue, but for a tongue in cheek Xavier example of how statistics may not tell the whole story, note that Quentin Goodin is fourth on Xavier's all time assists chart.

Unless, as D-West poses (sarcastically), all these black Americans are simply making this up. Which I guess they would do for "clicks"?

(MOR - I can already hear you typing #FAKENEWS and #SHOWYOURMATH, so you might want to come up with something else).

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Originally Posted by AviatorX

At this point, you have to have your head in the sand to think white Americans and black Americans have the same experience with police, or that there isn't merit to the idea that black people are treated less fairly by police. Is that not racism? Yes, I've seen the stats that cops kill more white people than black people. The nuance that folks pointing to those numbers (willfully) miss is that this difference in treatment isn't borne out by one or two statistics. It's made up largely of the subtle difference in treatment during routine stops, patrols, etc. that add up every day for years and years. Pretty much everyone is intelligent enough to process a somewhat intangible concept like this, but many choose not to and hide behind pure statistics as a shield. Not to cheapen the dialogue, but for a tongue in cheek Xavier example of how statistics may not tell the whole story, note that Quentin Goodin is fourth on Xavier's all time assists chart.

Unless, as D-West poses (sarcastically), all these black Americans are simply making this up. Which I guess they would do for "clicks"?

(MOR - I can already hear you typing #FAKENEWS and #SHOWYOURMATH, so you might want to come up with something else).

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Where did I say that they have the same issues as blacks with police? What I said that people of all races experience racism. Some black people hate white people and vice versa. I have friends that are cops and they deal with this shit daily. Media puts a bounty on their heads. It’s really sad we have to paint everything black and white and blame the cops for everything. Go work the in the shoes of good cops and let me know what you experience. It’s really sad. The real problem with black America is not cops, it’s lack of leadership and understanding and working together rather then blame. Is it the cops fault that a lot of people refuse to obey the law? Shoot people? Rob people, deal drugs? And that’s not a black thing that’s a societal thing. We need good cops but we also need good people just as much.

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Originally Posted by xavierj

The real problem with black America is not cops, it’s lack of leadership and understanding and working together rather then blame.

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If you delete "black" from this sentence, it's also true.

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

It's funny you think the media has to tell them that. Hilarious actually.

I love white people telling black people there is no racism. :facepalm:

What do you have to say to the millions of black people out there who experience it during their daily life? They are wrong? They are making it up? They are just looking for a victim mentality? Why are you completely dismissive of their experiences? Have you talked to any of them?

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Who said there was no racism? I clearly said it exists in all cultures. It does not discriminate. I work in the inner city. When I get called cracker, white devil, told I could be shot working around here and other things is racist any way you want to slice it. Most of my employees are African American and we have great relationships. They work hard and are compensated well and I support them as they do me. It has nothing to do with race with us. But some people out side of that relationship where I work, have racist views vs white people, just as some white people have racist views toward black people. Until we work together to understand rather than blame, it will continue to be that way.

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

If you delete "black" from this sentence, it's also true.

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100% agree.

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Originally Posted by xavierj

Who said there was no racism? I clearly said it exists in all cultures. It does not discriminate. I work in the inner city. When I get called cracker, white devil, told I could be shot working around here and other things is racist any way you want to slice it. Most of my employees are African American and we have great relationships. They work hard and are compensated well and I support them as they do me. It has nothing to do with race with us. But some people out side of that relationship where I work, have racist views vs white people, just as some white people have racist views toward black people. Until we work together to understand rather than blame, it will continue to be that way.

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Racism without power is different than racism with power. I think that's a distinction worth recognizing. White people have the power in our society and they make the rules. That guy calling you a White Devil (which I agree is racist) can't really do anything to impact your life from a policy perspective.

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Originally Posted by boozehound

Racism without power is different than racism with power. I think that's a distinction worth recognizing. White people have the power in our society and they make the rules.

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Oh man, the kool aid has been consumed. It's too late.