FISA warrants were all approved by republican judges, so go ahead and punish them.
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FISA warrants were all approved by republican judges, so go ahead and punish them.
I agree completely. It's just that I strongly and equally blame both sides for all of the things that led to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
If they knew they were fraudulent when they approved them, then they should join Schiff in prison as well. I could care less about party affiliation when it comes to this level of abuse of power.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee
We are now entering a point to where both sides feel it is necessary to abuse their power in order to combat the other side from abusing their power. I'm only half kidding when I say that. Maybe not even half kidding. This could end badly. I view it as being a collective disgrace, and if people are so emotionally charged up that they cannot find fault with whatever side they identify with, then they are part of the problem.
I know I am going to regret asking this, but why is Schiff going to prison?Quote:
Originally Posted by xudash
It’s interesting the FISA abuse case on Carter Page hasn’t gotten more coverage.Quote:
Originally Posted by xudash
Especially since you can tie in what Trump was accused of doing. Glad to see Carter is suing the DNC and their “research firm” Perkins Coie. I mean, all they supposedly did was finance a Kremlin sourced dossier that was used by the FBI to get an illegal FISA warrant to serval a US citizen who happened to work for a political rival. Sounds like a lot shitty things were possibly done there.
Highly doubt the Senate will have the marbles or public has the patience to look all these cases tho. Now FISA is a no brainer investigation IMO because the potential civil rights abuse. Like you said in your last post, I could care less about party affiliations with the judges. Also what BREW said, both sides do some really bad stuff.
Well sure but false information and/or information without the context of bias or credibility issues was not included.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee
i'm not sure this has ever not been the case. one of the best things about trump is that he has helped bring these things out into the spotlightQuote:
Originally Posted by xubrew
Well, I know that we had a civil war and all that, but while there has always been tension, I think that for most of the last 244 years it has been below what it is now. Not all the time, but most of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by scoscox
We are now at a point to where if one party controls the House and Senate and the other has the White House, that impeachment for a rather innocuous action may be commonplace. It may also be commonplace to have a "Make Me" response whenever a branch tries to exercise any sort of oversight. This is all relatively new. And, both sides are continuing to double down and hold their ground, which is making the division worse. We've gone from both sides having fundamental disagreements that, while heated, were still never thought of or reacted to as if they were existential threats. That's where we seem to be now, and although we've arguably been there before it's not where were have been for most of our history.
He won't be - - unless he is caused somehow to go under oath and then maintains his present positions on some key issues. Schiff concealed his office’s contacts with the Ukraine “whistleblower” — and he still hasn’t detailed his involvement in framing the case against Trump before the “official impeachment inquiry” even began. He has consistently lied throughout the impeachment process.Quote:
Originally Posted by STL_XUfan
Schiff is a dirty piece of shit. He's a "get Trump at all costs" buffoon. And that should be abundantly clear to anyone with a clue.