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I'm really alarmed at the amount of foreign money in Washington DC. It's obvious that tons of congressmen and women in both parties are completely bought and paid for and hopelessly corrupt accepting all this money. The fact that it's so accepted is extremely disturbing
along the same lines, foreign money at american universities is almost equally disturbing (looking at you georgetown)(hopefully not looking at xavier, but i haven't looked into very much)
This. It’s what gave us Trump and the UK Brexit. The elected elite are too far out of touch with the majority of their citizens and don’t really care. Oh sure, they give it lip service, but they’re more concerned with getting re-elected and staying in power than actually doing anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by scoscox
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Trump is not any different and in fact might be more obsessed with the position more than the duty than anyone. Yet somehow he is here to drain the swamp!?Quote:
Originally Posted by bjf123
Edit: I don’t disagree with your statement it is what gave us Trump. But for people to consistently believe that he cares about them is laughable. At least with the last few presidents there is a feeling that regardless of policy, they were decent humans. Not so for Trump, unfortunately.
Don't those seem like two pretty bad decisions, objectively? I'm not sure the working class will be any better off by voting for Trump and Brexit. Unless Trump's protectionism works (which historically it hasn't) then I'm not sure he has done anything more for the common citizen than most any other recent President.Quote:
Originally Posted by bjf123
I also find the idea of voting for Trump because you think the 'elected elite are out of touch' to be difficult to reconcile with pretty much everything we have known of Trump throughout his (relatively public) adult life. When viewed through that lens it kind of just makes the average American look stupid and easily manipulated. I'm not sure there are many people who care less about the average citizen than Donald Trump.
Honestly when viewed through the lens of history I think this a looks much, much, more like a descent toward totalitarianism than the common citizen using their votes to speak out against an out of touch ruling class. We basically just elected their poster child President and then have spent the last 3 years rationalizing all the crazy shit he has done and said.
You may think that, but trump supporters absolutely do not. His approval with republicans is through the roof. People see him trying to get control of the border, trying to keep us out of conflicts, trying to grow manufacturing, taking on China, standing up to the Democrats, and the investigations with Barr and Durham into the Russian stuff will only help him when it comes to fruition
Edit - this was in response to Lloyd not booze
You can see my most recent reply (before this one, obviously) on Trump for how I feel about the notion of him being some sort of better alternative to the same bureaucrats. As far as business leaders knowing how to compromise: sometimes. Trump is probably about as poorly equipped as one can possibly be in that area though. He didn't run General Electric and have to deal with a board of directors and shareholders. He ran a private company that he basically treated like a kingdom, and then was a freaking reality TV star.Quote:
Originally Posted by noteggs
I do like the idea of retired business leaders as politicians, but I'd rather see it happen (or at least start) in Congress. The country is exponentially more complicated now than it was in the days of the founding fathers which (I think) takes more expertise to run. It's pretty likely that an outsider President who didn't have a crippling personality disorder would do a much better job than Trump so maybe that is where I'm getting hung up.
I was not old enough to vote for Perot, but I was old enough to be politically aware and I was a fan of his. I have also (generally) been a fan of the libertarian candidates, although I have typically considered them too flawed to actually be a good president. I'd take them over Trump any day though.
Yeah I don't see the appeal on an insider. Biden was in the senate for thirty something years and can point to what to run on now? He's actually moved away from a lot of what he used to advocate for. Electing or looking at "insiders" like Biden just shows how useless most politicians are.Quote:
Originally Posted by scoscox
Nobody wants to admit they were duped. Egg on ones face is unpleasant.Quote:
Originally Posted by scoscox
There are some “battles” that are problematic however that you state...
“trying to keep us out of conflicts” - Ah yes, Trump the Peacemaker! Who believes this?
“standing up to the Democrats” - Yes those Democrat bullies are really a threat to freedoms. Do Democrats view Republicans as bullies that need to be stood up to? I doubt it. I feel if the entire country were polled the “work together” category would win.
You’re outrageously out of touch if you think this stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
Trust me no one thinks they’re duped or regrets their vote.
Yes, trump has largely avoided escalating any conflicts in the Middle East, North Korea, Russia, etc. He’s tried to recall troops from Afghanistan and Syria against the wishes of most of Washington and has spoken out against the military industrial complex. His bombast towards North Korea and Iran have been largely bluster. He has made some dumb appointments around him ie John Bolton but resisted his push to go to war with Iran and fired him. He’s done well on that front.
And yes democrats are a clear threat to freedoms. Beto has been running around talking about banning all guns, all of them support at least some form of gun control, many seem to have no problem with open borders. There’s been talk of packing the Supreme Court, etc. And more to the point, dems are obviously bullies. They control almost all major media, all the largest cities, almost all of Silicon Valley, Hollywood, Wall Street, and the richest areas of the country and use that influence and power to constantly belittle and mock rural/heartland America in every imaginable way. The fact that you’re this un self aware about all this is alarming. The bubbles are strong
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Originally Posted by boozehound
Trump is among the elite no doubt, but basically every other member of the liberal ruling class absolutely abhors him and that is good enough for people to love him.