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Originally Posted by scoscox

i've yet to see any concrete examples of these emoluments violations . maybe you can link a few examples.

i also don't think trump asking ukraine about the obvious and admitted corruption of joe biden constitutes election meddling. it is literally the presidents job to enforce the law as the executive branch. it'd be a dereliction of his duty not to look into, again the admitted, on video, corruption of one of the most powerful people in our country.

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I'm going to assume you don't know about the Trump hotel in Washington, leased from the federal government, that has a specific clause preventing any government official from profiting.
Biden's son was cleared and the investigation in Ukraine closed before any of this started. Trump has tried to reopen it with many misleading claims to help him politically. Also, his interest apparently was to try and build a case for a Manafort pardon and then it devolved into Biden dirt.

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Originally Posted by paulxu

I'm going to assume you don't know about the Trump hotel in Washington, leased from the federal government, that has a specific clause preventing any government official from profiting.
Biden's son was cleared and the investigation in Ukraine closed before any of this started. Trump has tried to reopen it with many misleading claims to help him politically. Also, his interest apparently was to try and build a case for a Manafort pardon and then it devolved into Biden dirt.

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no i don't, that's why i asked for you to cite examples, so please enlighten me.

"biden's son was cleared", yes after biden pressured them under threat of withholding 1 billion dollars in aid to fire a prosecutor. that doesn't clear biden of wrongdoing in the least

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Originally Posted by Caf

The cover-up is always worse than the "crime". Nothing is going to come of the phone call itself. Time will tell if they lie about it or hide any information.

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Pelosi on alleged concealing of Trump-Ukraine transcript: "This is a cover-up"

And here we go:

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"I'll just read from the complaint, which is now public, but which I saw yesterday when it wasn't. The complaint states that the White House tried to lock down all records of the call, especially the word-for-word transcript. That gave the whistleblower reason to believe that they, the White House, understood the gravity of what transpired in that call. The complaint reports, a quote, "repeated abuse of an electronic records system designed to store classified, sensitive national security information," which the White House used to hide information of a political nature. This is a cover-up. This is a cover-up."

When asked if Maguire had good reason to delay sending the whistleblower report to Congress, Pelosi was unequivocal: "No, he broke the law."

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Originally Posted by scoscox

no i don't, that's why i asked for you to cite examples, so please enlighten me.

"biden's son was cleared", yes after biden pressured them under threat of withholding 1 billion dollars in aid to fire a prosecutor. that doesn't clear biden of wrongdoing in the least

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I cited you an example. The Trump hotel in the old Post Office building.
I don't think you have your timeline on Ukraine correct.

Well now he sending out not so veiled threats against the whistle blower and others in the intelligence community for an action that his own Director of National Intelligence believes was proper:

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“I want to know who’s the person, who’s the person who gave the whistle-blower the information? Because that’s close to a spy,” he continued. “You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart? Right? The spies and treason, we used to handle it a little differently than we do now.”

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Originally Posted by paulxu

I cited you an example. The Trump hotel in the old Post Office building.
I don't think you have your timeline on Ukraine correct.

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"And I went over, I guess, the 12th, 13th time to Kiev. And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor. And they didn’t.

So they said they had—they were walking out to a press conference. I said, nah, I’m not going to—or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority. You’re not the president. The president said—I said, call him. (Laughter.) I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time."

Direct quote from biden. the prosecutor was fired days before he was scheduled to interview hunter biden.

It's a little more complex than that.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...den-in-ukraine

The UK was involved, as we were in getting the Ukraine to address corruption.

The prosecutor was corrupt and I haven't seen that about him going to interview Biden's son.

"After Joe Biden became vice president in 2009, Hunter, a lawyer by training, pursued business opportunities with foreign parties, often in ways that intersected with his father’s work."

sounds totally appropriate

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Originally Posted by bjf123

Sadly, never. I don’t think I’ve ever watched a Congressional “hearing” that was anything more than political grandstanding, regardless of party.


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My, we are polarized.

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Originally Posted by scoscox

"After Joe Biden became vice president in 2009, Hunter, a lawyer by training, pursued business opportunities with foreign parties, often in ways that intersected with his father’s work."

sounds totally appropriate

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Yup, sounds like Iskanka and Jr.