Politics Thread

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Originally Posted by vee4xu

Soooooooooo Where's the Consensus? This baby has been going on for 2 1/2 years and the names and opinions have been exactly the same over that entire time. I don't care, but I'll check into this thread every several months just to see if anything is being accomplished by the dialogue. I've decided the answer is no, due to entrenched ideology on both sides. But, if there's a catharses that takes place by typing the same thing over-and-over on one side, only to see the same response over-and-over from the other side, then that's great, I guess. One thing all political conversations and chat boards have taught me personally over the past years, is no one ever changes anyone's mind. We all just keep talking past one another in this endless and fruitless effort to get the other person onto my side, instead of speaking, listening with an open mind, learning from someone, resolving and moving on. Even if we feel the same as when the whole discussion started, we should at least understand and respect the other side of my opinion. However, in this shout past each other world in which we live, that doesn't happen. It's a binary situation: Losers and winners, but no resolution. William F. Buckley and Gore Vidal must be rolling over in their graves.

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I just come here when I can’t sleep......

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Originally Posted by paulxu

My definition of socialism is where the government controls the means of production.
Here is my party's platform. I invite you to find where there is any evidence that fits my definition (and most dictionaries) of socialism in the platform.

https://democrats.org/about/party-platform/

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That is the textbook definition. The VA and the USPS are examples. Medicare is not.

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Originally Posted by vee4xu

I'll check into this thread every several months just to see if anything is being accomplished by the dialogue. I've decided the answer is no, due to entrenched ideology on both sides.

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While it's certainly not the norm, I find a lot of middle ground with posters on here. In particular Go, Booze, and Eggs among others are consistently willing and able to question their own views. I live in a liberal stronghold, and while I think this board is predominantly conservative the spread is still pretty diverse geographically. I enjoy coming to see what people outside of my area think and I believe it's made me a stronger moderate than I otherwise would be.

I don't post much in here, but I do appreciate the range of mostly conservative opinions.

My own opinions have changed over the years, but it's difficult to pinpoint why/when exactly it happens.

Being able to learn from and listen to others, and staying true to the values you believe in, is not easy

I didn't know whether or not to post this in "funny stuff" or here but since this thread appears on the first page I'll do it here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJw-hBXJxWM

Full disclosure: The West Wing, even with its liberal bent and idealization of the White House, was one of the best shows ever on television.

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Originally Posted by chico

I didn't know whether or not to post this in "funny stuff" or here but since this thread appears on the first page I'll do it here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJw-hBXJxWM

Full disclosure: The West Wing, even with its liberal bent and idealization of the White House, was one of the best shows ever on television.

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Today he said that if he was elected president that they would cure cancer. Quite the campaign promise.

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Originally Posted by Juice

Today he said that if he was elected president that they would cure cancer. Quite the campaign promise.

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It’s laughable. Equally laughable as a promise to build a wall across the entire southern US border. Then when funding for curing “cancer” is not there he can come back and say he didn’t mean ALL cancers (entire border), only a certain types of cancers that are genetic (high traffic regions). And instead of curing cancer (ie building a wall) he really means better treatment for cancers (sorry it’s just a fence).

Only difference is that curing cancer doesn’t get as many irrational people fired up.

The practicality of building a fence along the southern border is orders of magnitude easier than curing cancer come on lol this is ridiculous. at least put some effort into it.

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Originally Posted by scoscox

The practicality of building a fence along the southern border is orders of magnitude easier than curing cancer come on lol this is ridiculous. at least put some effort into it.

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Wall or fence? They are both laughable for different reasons...

Are you against curing cancer?

See how easy it is to defend something ridiculous?

Trump said he would be willing to listen to foreign governments if they approached him with information on a political rival.
Sez the guy he appointed as FBI Director has it wrong. It's OK.