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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

And since 1973 there hasn't been a Supreme Court that was potentially amenable to allowing such a law to stand. By the time this one found it's way to the Supreme Court, that may no longer have been the case.

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I don't think you're putting up what I'm putting down. I think Roe v Wade has a shot at being overturned over Trump, IF the alternative is 20 wk bans. A heartbeat bill, with not exceptions, is not going to go federal. There are enough conservatives who support exceptions to hold it back.

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Originally Posted by Caf

I don't think you're putting up what I'm putting down. I think Roe v Wade has a shot at being overturned over Trump, IF the alternative is 20 wk bans. A heartbeat bill, with not exceptions, is not going to go federal. There are enough conservatives who support exceptions to hold it back.

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A ban post 20 weeks doesn't require overturning Roe v. Wade. And a heartbeat bill wouldn't need to go federal. Overturning Roe v. Wade wouldn't necessarily make abortion illegal. It would just allow individual states to have laws like the one Kasich vetoed.

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

A ban post 20 weeks doesn't require overturning Roe v. Wade. And a heartbeat bill wouldn't need to go federal. Overturning Roe v. Wade wouldn't necessarily make abortion illegal. It would just allow individual states to have laws like the one Kasich vetoed.

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I could be wrong, but I believe the federal courts have held the line at viability which is 24 weeks.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

To me a Trump presidency is like when Mufasa dies and Scar takes over. He introduces the hyenas as they slowly come out of the darkness and all the animals are like "whoa wait wtf is this about!?"
The hyenas are excited that's for sure.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4-NZWpToHM

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

To me a Trump presidency is like when Mufasa dies and Scar takes over. He introduces the hyenas as they slowly come out of the darkness and all the animals are like "whoa wait wtf is this about!?"
The hyenas are excited that's for sure.

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You don't understand the real Animal Kingdom you elitist.

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Originally Posted by Smails

[video=youtube;O4-NZWpToHM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4-NZWpToHM

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Do you ever actually say anything? Or are all of your posts just rhetorical interjects?

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Originally Posted by Caf

I could be wrong, but I believe the federal courts have held the line at viability which is 24 weeks.

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I don't know the actual rule in weeks or if one actually exists (Planned Parenthood v. Casey is the current authority), but the rule is that you cannot have a law that is an undue burden on a woman's right to abortion. Moving the line from 24 to 20 weeks doesn't necessarily require even overturning that precedent. It would just require the Court to decide that 20 weeks isn't an "undue burden".

That's a far cry from overturning Roe v. Wade.

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

I don't know the actual rule in weeks or if one actually exists (Planned Parenthood v. Casey is the current authority), but the rule is that you cannot have a law that is an undue burden on a woman's right to abortion. Moving the line from 24 to 20 weeks doesn't necessarily require even overturning that precedent. It would just require the Court to decide that 20 weeks isn't an "undue burden".

That's a far cry from overturning Roe v. Wade.

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I see what you're saying. I'd be interested to learn more about the movement. There's definitely a nationwide push by prolife organizations to put the 20 week bans in as many states as possible. I know Roe v Wade is the ultimate target, but I'm unsure of what role 20 wks plays in a strategy.

I'm sure they're just trying to push the line as far as possible under current law.

By the way, if medical technology advanced enough to make a fetus at 6 weeks viable outside the womb, there'd be a good argument for a ban on abortions post week 6 of pregnancy. If a Catholic university with a good medical school announced the creation of a center dedicated to making fetuses viable outside the womb as early as possible, they'd break fundraising records the next day. And with medical technology advancing as rapidly as it currently is, you just never know what's possible.

This is starting to have a Matrix feel to it.