We All Love Ed.....but

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Originally Posted by markchal

This is a little ridiculous. Look at the teams we've played and where we played them. SH at home is an easy win with Ed, and we (theoretically) would've handled Creighton with Ed. Creighton has no scholarship pg and Ed would've been able to finish a lot of those shots Q couldn't. Those would've been two big games for Ed, IMO. He was also playing great before he went down against SJU.

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What do u base the opinion of Creighton on? We lost at home to them with Sumner, and Watson was out most of the game. Also, not sure where the easy win against Seton hall opinion comes from...x has had trouble with them since they joined the big east.

We shot 20% from three against them at Cintas and 45.5% from three in Omaha.

Just a reminder, Goodin is a higher rated recruit than Sumner.

http://247sports.com/player/edmond-sumner-21373

http://247sports.com/player/quentin-goodin-26836

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Originally Posted by Drew

I think as a fanbase we have a tendency to anoint "superstars" far too often. The fact is, Sumner is more potential than anything at this point. He is too light, he doesn't have a great shot and his basketball IQ isn't that great. Now he may make a great NBA player because he can improve his weaknesses and he has god-given athleticis, but he isn't a "superstar" at the CBB level.

Goodin on the other hand has to be one of the best freshman we have ever seen. But because Sumner is the "superstar" some of us refuse to acknowledge it.

Give me Goodin over Sumner straight up. Sumner might be the better NBA player someday, but he has tons of flaws currently.

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In what world are you living in calling Goodin one of the best freshmen we've ever seen? Lmao, he's averaging 4, 2, & 1 on the year. I don't care who was in front of him to start the year, if you're throwing that title on him, then he finds his way onto the court regardless. Q has been great compared to what we expected as of late. I think he can become very good, but to say he's better than Ed right now is absurd. He hasn't been asked to do nearly the same things Ed has had to do. Q has played some good defense as of late, but you're also underestimating Ed on that side of the court. He's saved them many a times on defensive boards and steals. Not to mention his ability in the open court. BTW, we're not the only ones anointing Ed.. take a look at every single national media member that covers the sport for a living

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Originally Posted by ammtd34

How come they couldn't beat us at home when they beat us at Cintas? See how that works?

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Yea but we are talking about how a change in our lineup affected our team, their team is the same as the one we lost to at Cintas. Also, saying that we are going to beat a team at their place because they beat us at ours doesn't follow. So I don't see how that works.

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Originally Posted by mirabilelectu

Yea but we are talking about how a change in our lineup affected our team, their team is the same as the one we lost to at Cintas. Also, saying that we are going to beat a team at their place because they beat us at ours doesn't follow. So I don't see how that works.

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Because sports aren't math. Sometimes, things happen differently than we expect, like Tyrique Jones dominating a 1st round draft pick after scoring 2 points at Cintas.

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Originally Posted by Drew

I think as a fanbase we have a tendency to anoint "superstars" far too often. The fact is, Sumner is more potential than anything at this point. He is too light, he doesn't have a great shot and his basketball IQ isn't that great. Now he may make a great NBA player because he can improve his weaknesses and he has god-given athleticis, but he isn't a "superstar" at the CBB level.

Goodin on the other hand has to be one of the best freshman we have ever seen. But because Sumner is the "superstar" some of us refuse to acknowledge it.

Give me Goodin over Sumner straight up. Sumner might be the better NBA player someday, but he has tons of flaws currently.

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Hmmm the same Goodin who is shooting 37% from the floor, has worse assist per minute and assist per turnover ratios than Ed, scores less than Ed when the featured PG, and hasn't been able to finish at the rim? This is a joke right?

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Originally Posted by mirabilelectu

Yea but we are talking about how a change in our lineup affected our team, their team is the same as the one we lost to at Cintas. Also, saying that we are going to beat a team at their place because they beat us at ours doesn't follow. So I don't see how that works.

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we would've prepared completely differently, obviously. We've seen how they play without Watson now, so we would've attacked them differently.

Also, for two games with no Ed, you couldn't really ask for two better teams to face. SH is one of the worst teams in the league and Creighton has no point guard, so it's a little better matchup for us than most.

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Originally Posted by ammtd34

Because sports aren't math. Sometimes, things happen differently than we expect, like Tyrique Jones dominating a 1st round draft pick after scoring 2 points at Cintas.

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So you never use past results to predict outcomes?

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Originally Posted by mirabilelectu

So you never use past results to predict outcomes?

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What are you getting at? If you are trying to prove that we would have lost at Creighton with Edmond Sumner at PG, count me out of the discussion.