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08-22-2018, 12:09 PM
Caf

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Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad

So, now that you accept that illegals are committing less crime why is it that you fear them so much?

There are approximately 11M illegals in the country (that is actually decreasing). Of that, Pew stated that about 8M have jobs. 131M Americans work overall, so they make up about 6% of the workforce and 3% of the total population. How can a group that makes up so few of us be such a massive problem that would require this much of our attention?

I do not agree with what I'm about to say, but I think the reasonable conservative's response to this is that the tolerance for migrant crime should be zero since they're already not here legally.
08-22-2018, 01:05 PM
Xville

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Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad

So, now that you accept that illegals are committing less crime why is it that you fear them so much?

There are approximately 11M illegals in the country (that is actually decreasing). Of that, Pew stated that about 8M have jobs. 131M Americans work overall, so they make up about 6% of the workforce and 3% of the total population. How can a group that makes up so few of us be such a massive problem that would require this much of our attention?

So, since it happens infrequently, I can assume you don't think school shootings are anything that requires attention either. Or heck murderers are at all in fact. Let's not worry about it or pay much attention to it because only a small percent of the population commit it.
08-22-2018, 01:14 PM
ArizonaXUGrad

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Originally Posted by Xville

So, since it happens infrequently, I can assume you don't think school shootings are anything that requires attention either. Or heck murderers are at all in fact. Let's not worry about it or pay much attention to it because only a small percent of the population commit it.

Except as you may know, school shootings are at an all time high. Illegal immigrant crime is not and occurs around 40% lower than citizen crime. Should we kick out the citizens?
08-22-2018, 01:32 PM
Caf

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Originally Posted by Xville

So, since it happens infrequently, I can assume you don't think school shootings are anything that requires attention either. Or heck murderers are at all in fact. Let's not worry about it or pay much attention to it because only a small percent of the population commit it.

This point makes no sense. Maybe leave this one to Juice.
08-22-2018, 02:15 PM
Juice

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Originally Posted by Caf

This point makes no sense. Maybe leave this one to Juice.

My point has been that increased attention to an issue that is actually happening more infrequently doesn't actually mean its a GROWING problem. It's still a problem but not one that is worsening.

And the solution to those issues is not to infringe upon the rights of lawful people but actually enforce the laws already on the books.
08-22-2018, 02:46 PM
Caf

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Originally Posted by Juice

My point has been that increased attention to an issue that is actually happening more infrequently doesn't actually mean its a GROWING problem. It's still a problem but not one that is worsening.

And the solution to those issues is not to infringe upon the rights of lawful people but actually enforce the laws already on the books.

Of course your first 2 sentences are true. I don't think anyone would argue that any amount of murder is not a problem.

However a zero crime tolerance is unrealistic and a straw man argument against this enormous group of people's presence in the country.
08-22-2018, 03:32 PM
Juice

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Originally Posted by Caf

Of course your first 2 sentences are true. I don't think anyone would argue that any amount of murder is not a problem.

However a zero crime tolerance is unrealistic and a straw man argument against this enormous group of people's presence in the country.

I was talking strictly about school shootings. And I may have misunderstood each of your guys' points so I'll just leave it at that.
08-22-2018, 06:34 PM
bjf123

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Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad

So, now that you accept that illegals are committing less crime why is it that you fear them so much?

There are approximately 11M illegals in the country (that is actually decreasing). Of that, Pew stated that about 8M have jobs. 131M Americans work overall, so they make up about 6% of the workforce and 3% of the total population. How can a group that makes up so few of us be such a massive problem that would require this much of our attention?

I don’t fear them at all. A company I worked for a number of years ago has 4 or 5 construction operations in FL. The best workers were Hispanic. Great bunch of guys. We verified the SSN and name of all employees at all locations, FL, GA, TN, KY, OH, IN, IL, and WI. Even doing that, we had a pretty good idea that not all of them were here legally.

My point is you can’t have open borders and let everyone in. Immigration for any country needs to be managed.

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08-22-2018, 10:09 PM
ArizonaXUGrad

The wall is not the solution. That wall is a solution looking for a problem.

The solution is most likely work visas to allow them to work and leave and repeat.

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08-23-2018, 02:56 AM
bobbiemcgee

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Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad

The wall is not the solution. That wall is a solution looking for a problem.

You must know it's going to be a free wall. Mexico is going to write us a check for it.

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