Politics Thread

Presidential pardons have lost their way on so many levels.

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Originally Posted by noteggs

Presidential pardons have lost their way on so many levels.

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Yep!! Not surprising though looking at the political landscape. Like one of the posters said on here, “I could care less who Biden or Trump pardon”. This train of thought is exactly why pardons are out of control.

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Originally Posted by 94GRAD

But why would they tell the truth when there is no penalty for lying under oath?

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Wouldn’t that be a new crime beyond the scope of the pardon for which they could be prosecuted?


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Originally Posted by xuphan

Yep!! Not surprising though looking at the political landscape. Like one of the posters said on here, “I could care less who Biden or Trump pardon”. This train of thought is exactly why pardons are out of control.

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You honestly think the avg person has a say in pardons? Maybe we need to change Presidents powers but until then like I said I could care less

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Originally Posted by noteggs

I don’t get the law suits against the DOGE committee already. So they want to make sure there’re federal bureaucrats are on a nongovernmental committee?

Think the DC bureaucrats are the main reason why we’re in this fiscal mess. Gawd forbid we give successful business leaders a chance to look at our books for potential savings.

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I like the committee itself. I, however, believe there are certain things in this world that just cannot and morally should not be run as a business. One obvious one was discussed a few pages ago is healthcare. We have seen how this goes horribly wrong. Another I fear could be on the horizon is water. Can you imagine a group of businessmen with a company on the stock exchange in control of a part of our water supply. To me, that is a terrifying idea.

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Originally Posted by paulxu

Pardons aren't weaponizing the DOJ.

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I'll slow it down for you.

You said that Biden gave pardons to people for fear that Trump would use the DOJ to go after them. By saying that you're admitting that the party in power has the ability to weaponize the DOJ against their political opponents. Does that make sense?

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Originally Posted by bjf123

Wouldn’t that be a new crime beyond the scope of the pardon for which they could be prosecuted?


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Yes, as I have come to find out.

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Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad

I like the committee itself. I, however, believe there are certain things in this world that just cannot and morally should not be run as a business. One obvious one was discussed a few pages ago is healthcare. We have seen how this goes horribly wrong. Another I fear could be on the horizon is water. Can you imagine a group of businessmen with a company on the stock exchange in control of a part of our water supply. To me, that is a terrifying idea.

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I get your point. To my knowledge, the committee was designed to give their recommendations and not force law. Let the bureaucrats fight it out once the recommendations are made.

I won’t comment on healthcare because my opinions on here are pretty clear. IMO what is morally unacceptable, 36 trillion in debt from abuse on both sides of the aisle. Obviously not sustainable.

One of the days, I’ll just stop believing Republicans rhetoric on how they want to do something about it. This is why I welcome feedback from a nongovernmental committee.

DP

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Originally Posted by Smails

I'll slow it down for you.

You said that Biden gave pardons to people for fear that Trump would use the DOJ to go after them. By saying that you're admitting that the party in power has the ability to weaponize the DOJ against their political opponents. Does that make sense?

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Sure. But it's only Trump that has vowed to use the DOJ to go after his political enemies, not the D's.
Also, McConnell (an R) did recommend that the justice arm of government hold Trump accountable for J6 because he was too chicken to get the R's to ban him from holding office again.