Streetcar Update on Development

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Originally Posted by pizza delivery

Booze, my point was directed at those unwilling, or incapable, of seeing the first benefit to the streetcar. As for bringing in more jobs, the streetcar can potentially help with that as well, because when it comes time to decide which city to move your company too, you want to consider public transit options for your employees. It's a small piece to making downtown more competitive with other cities for new businesses and new residents.

My guess is that it will likely continue to get too much credit and too much blame for the good and bad things that happen once it arrives. My hope is that it's a huge success and a net positive for the city's budget.

Edit: thanks for sharing that study, great stuff.

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The streetcar won't do any of these things and will simply move the homeless around town in the winter. It will have almost no good impact on downtown.

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Originally Posted by pizza delivery

Booze, my point was directed at those unwilling, or incapable, of seeing the first benefit to the streetcar. As for bringing in more jobs, the streetcar can potentially help with that as well, because when it comes time to decide which city to move your company too, you want to consider public transit options for your employees. It's a small piece to making downtown more competitive with other cities for new businesses and new residents.

My guess is that it will likely continue to get too much credit and too much blame for the good and bad things that happen once it arrives. My hope is that it's a huge success and a net positive for the city's budget.

Edit: thanks for sharing that study, great stuff.

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Oh. So you WERE being intentionally insulting. Perhaps you've missed the discussion. Very few people are saying there is no benefit to a streetcar. Most of us opposed feel the money could be spent better elsewhere, although there are a few that for philosophical reasons feel any public transportation spending is a bad idea.

I believe that if our Council and Mayor would be more creative and try to come up with something best for Cincinnati in financially strapped times, rather than something done in another city in flush times, we could get a better return on the investment than the streetcar will yield with less of a future tax burden. I think they are chasing the bright lights of another city's success combines with federal money (which they constantly call 'free' money). I fear this light has blinded them so terribly they are going to run the city off a cliff.

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Originally Posted by blobfan

Oh. So you WERE being intentionally insulting. Perhaps you've missed the discussion. Very few people are saying there is no benefit to a streetcar. Most of us opposed feel the money could be spent better elsewhere, although there are a few that for philosophical reasons feel any public transportation spending is a bad idea.

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Please meet LH, he posted right before you did. LH and 87 have no hope for this project. I wasn't insulting, just reiterating the 100th time what they don't listen to or acknowledge.

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I believe that if our Council and Mayor would be more creative and try to come up with something best for Cincinnati in financially strapped times, rather than something done in another city in flush times, we could get a better return on the investment than the streetcar will yield with less of a future tax burden. I think they are chasing the bright lights of another city's success combines with federal money (which they constantly call 'free' money). I fear this light has blinded them so terribly they are going to run the city off a cliff.

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I guess the fear you have of the city running off a cliff will have to wait and see if that's what happens, since the streetcar is set to go. Personally, I don't see the reason to worry over an investment that is already drawing so much interest and is likely to benefit all of downtown and Clifton within 2-3 years.

He said "very few". Also there really is no reason for anyone to think the streetcar as it has been proposed will have much if any positive impact on downtown or OTR.

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Originally Posted by pizza delivery

87 has no hope for this project. I wasn't insulting, just reiterating the 100th time what they don't listen to or acknowledge.

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So if I don't agree with you it's simply because I'm not listening? Or is it because I'm just not acknowledging what is just so darn obvious to smart people like you?

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Originally Posted by _LH

Also there really is no reason for anyone to think the streetcar as it has been proposed will have much if any positive impact on downtown or OTR.

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Why not?

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Originally Posted by sweet16

Why not?

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Why?

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Originally Posted by _LH

Why?

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That's the response that I pretty much expected. It appears as if you don't have the capacity to be engaged in any kind of discussion and instead rely on juvenile tactics that consist of one-liners and gross generalizations. I only responded to see if you had sufficient gray matter to come up with a lucid argument to support your statement........I got my answer.

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Originally Posted by sweet16

That's the response that I pretty much expected. It appears as if you don't have the capacity to be engaged in any kind of discussion and instead rely on juvenile tactics that consist of one-liners and gross generalizations. I only responded to see if you had sufficient gray matter to come up with a lucid argument to support your statement........I got my answer.

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I really want to know why you would think the streetcar will make any kind of major positive impact on downtown or OTR and please don't speak in generalities, I want specifics. Also, don't tell me what it did in other cities because that has no bearing on Cincinnati.

Sweet,

Have you ever walked around the CBD between 9:30 a.m. and 4:30 p.m. Mon - Fri? It's a ghost town. Have you ever been in the CBD Mon - Thursday on a non Reds night between 5:30 and 9:00 p.m. ? Its a ghost town. Have you ever walked around downtown on a average Sunday? Its a ghost town.

The top three types of people that will ride the streetcar will be:

bums, drunk UC students on the weekend and a few residents downtown that don't own a car and happen to also work downtown.