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Originally Posted by xubrew

I'm not so sure he's slowly slipping into it...

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IF Harris would entertain us with ANY similar exposure.....we could all have stuff to laugh about here. HOWEVER...David Plouffe knows better!

This woman is a blithering idiot. Stay tuned for the painful truth.

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

All you post is correct Paul. And yet Trump may still be more qualified to be President than Harris.

I am not complimenting Trump.

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These top level National Security leaders disagree;

https://www.nsl4a.org/member-activit...-kamala-harris

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Originally Posted by Xville

Well, body cam footage was released and well the cops weee psychotic, but tyreek is just as at fault for being a complete idiot. He didnÂ’t listen, he rolled his window up as the cops were trying to talk to him, cops said to roll his windows down like three time and he didnÂ’t listen. Cops escalated it to the point they shouldnÂ’t have per usual, but tyreek was just as at fault

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Felt compelled to post because there is a small item here that is largely unknown to people. When you are in your car, you do NOT have to lower your window completely. It must be lowered enough for you and the officer to speak only. Now, there is a calm way to do it and a there is a not calm way to do it. I would guess by the result it wasn't calm. That said, when a cop tells you that you must lower the window entirely he is not being truthful.

I would need to see the full body camera footage here. If the source of the cop insisting he wasn't being cooperative was that very issue, AND the camera shows they speaking and understanding each other, there are going to be issues with the takedown.

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Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad

Felt compelled to post because there is a small item here that is largely unknown to people. When you are in your car, you do NOT have to lower your window completely. It must be lowered enough for you and the officer to speak only. Now, there is a calm way to do it and a there is a not calm way to do it. I would guess by the result it wasn't calm. That said, when a cop tells you that you must lower the window entirely he is not being truthful.

I would need to see the full body camera footage here. If the source of the cop insisting he wasn't being cooperative was that very issue, AND the camera shows they speaking and understanding each other, there are going to be issues with the takedown.

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He had the windows rolled completely up after initial discussion. He had tinted windows that once up, you can’t tell what the individual is doing. To me, as in a lot of these types of situations, both are at fault for stupid decision making and escalating something that didn’t need to be escalated.

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Originally Posted by Xville

He had the windows rolled completely up after initial discussion. He had tinted windows that once up, you can’t tell what the individual is doing. To me, as in a lot of these types of situations, both are at fault for stupid decision making and escalating something that didn’t need to be escalated.

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Yeah rolling up the window might be the dumbest thing you can probably do especially with tinted ones. Both sides should admit some guilt but of course that won’t happen

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Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad

Felt compelled to post because there is a small item here that is largely unknown to people. When you are in your car, you do NOT have to lower your window completely. It must be lowered enough for you and the officer to speak only. Now, there is a calm way to do it and a there is a not calm way to do it. I would guess by the result it wasn't calm. That said, when a cop tells you that you must lower the window entirely he is not being truthful.

I would need to see the full body camera footage here. If the source of the cop insisting he wasn't being cooperative was that very issue, AND the camera shows they speaking and understanding each other, there are going to be issues with the takedown.

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Nothing gives me a bigger chuckle then reading court of appeals cases where they claim you have the right to not follow an officer instruction as they are a request and, unless you are detained, not a requirement. Clearly written by people that have never interacted with police. You try to assert your rights and they will take it personally and go on an all out power trip (like what happened here).

There was no need for the cop to remove him from the car, no reason to slam him to the ground, and no reason to pull him down to the ground by the neck a second time. You can argue that Hill acted like a brat, but the cop should have a little bit thicker skin and deescalate the situation rather than flip out.

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Originally Posted by STL_XUfan

Nothing gives me a bigger chuckle then reading court of appeals cases where they claim you have the right to not follow an officer instruction as they are a request and, unless you are detained, not a requirement. Clearly written by people that have never interacted with police. You try to assert your rights and they will take it personally and go on an all out power trip (like what happened here).

There was no need for the cop to remove him from the car, no reason to slam him to the ground, and no reason to pull him down to the ground by the neck a second time. You can argue that Hill acted like a brat, but the cop should have a little bit thicker skin and deescalate the situation rather than flip out.

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Here is the problem with that line of thought, it assumes we live in a police state and any and all police direction should be followed regardless.

I have been and avid road/mountain bike racer for 25 years. 20 or so years ago road cycling just after dawn, I was pulled over by a cop. It was a post monsoon morning, tree debris littered the roadway including the bike lane. Cop lit me up for not riding in the bike lane that had broken branches in it. The guy demanded my ID. As a good cyclist, I can quote the ASRS that ruled that situation that I merely had to ride as far right at practicable. Now I was nice, I told him he made an unlawful stop and I was not required to provide ID. Guy was a total asshole, told me I was detained, ordered me to sit on the curb, and went back to his car. He was in it for a good 5 minutes and drove off without an apology or even telling the stop was over.

It is best to know exactly what the law is in your state, as in mine now you have to ID if the cops stop you regardless of the reason now I believe, but you should also be courteous. Let the cop escalate things, demand things, also make sure you are recording as that is your right as well. Cops are not your friends. Never answer questions, ever.

I like to wait for all video to come out before judging a situation. I would love to see/hear the first interaction between the cop and Hill. It is puzzling to me why he felt he could roll the window completely up.

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Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad

Here is the problem with that line of thought, it assumes we live in a police state and any and all police direction should be followed regardless.

I have been and avid road/mountain bike racer for 25 years. 20 or so years ago road cycling just after dawn, I was pulled over by a cop. It was a post monsoon morning, tree debris littered the roadway including the bike lane. Cop lit me up for not riding in the bike lane that had broken branches in it. The guy demanded my ID. As a good cyclist, I can quote the ASRS that ruled that situation that I merely had to ride as far right at practicable. Now I was nice, I told him he made an unlawful stop and I was not required to provide ID. Guy was a total asshole, told me I was detained, ordered me to sit on the curb, and went back to his car. He was in it for a good 5 minutes and drove off without an apology or even telling the stop was over.

It is best to know exactly what the law is in your state, as in mine now you have to ID if the cops stop you regardless of the reason now I believe, but you should also be courteous. Let the cop escalate things, demand things, also make sure you are recording as that is your right as well. Cops are not your friends. Never answer questions, ever.

I like to wait for all video to come out before judging a situation. I would love to see/hear the first interaction between the cop and Hill. It is puzzling to me why he felt he could roll the window completely up.

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You think "being nice" is telling the cop that he made an unlawful stop and that you weren't required to provide id? And you're surprised he "acted like an asshole?"

Regardless, when you're caught going 100 in a 55, you should probably go ahead and follow the cops' orders, otherwise things like what happened, happened. Not excusing the cops escalating behavior, but i guarantee if Hill listened, it wouldn't have happened.

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Originally Posted by Xville

You think "being nice" is telling the cop that he made an unlawful stop and that you weren't required to provide id? And you're surprised he "acted like an asshole?"

Regardless, when you're caught going 100 in a 55, you should probably go ahead and follow the cops' orders, otherwise things like what happened, happened. Not excusing the cops escalating behavior, but i guarantee if Hill listened, it wouldn't have happened.

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Yes I do, to answer your question. Being nice is more about tone and demeanor, being nice is not about doing whatever Cops ask regardless of whether it's a lawful order. Know your local laws, know your obligations because cops won't respect your rights if you don't know them.

Phoenix cops have a bad reputation and have always had a bad reputation. Don't believe me, google and read the DOJ report on civil rights violations that was dropped a few months ago.

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Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad

Yes I do, to answer your question. Being nice is more about tone and demeanor, being nice is not about doing whatever Cops ask regardless of whether it's a lawful order. Know your local laws, know your obligations because cops won't respect your rights if you don't know them.

Phoenix cops have a bad reputation and have always had a bad reputation. Don't believe me, google and read the DOJ report on civil rights violations that was dropped a few months ago.

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Words are definitely what matter, not tone or demeanor in a situation like this imo, especially with someone that has a gun and a bad reputation. You immediately said something that puts someone on the defensive. Had you said that to some cops nowadays you probably have a good chance at getting a gun pointed at you.

I mean honestly what do you think the cop was going to say and or react? Oh ok yes sir and give you a pat on the butt?

Regardless, if I’m going 45 over the speed limit, I’m doing what the cop says.