Politics Thread

I think most Americans do not realize the culture changing reality of the Obama's TWO TERMS. They are iconic in a way that will literally not be duplicated. If anyone thinks our current reality is void of BHO influence....there is a significant disconnect.

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Originally Posted by Xville

Regardless, tying all of this to Obama is at the least a stretch and at most just disingenuous imo.

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Obama was pretty disappointing, but yeah, I don't think he "fundamentally transformed" America for the worse. Unless you believe he's responsible for the rise of Trump (which I do not). Trump has ruined both the left and right. And that STILL doesn't make him being President necessarily worse that Kamala being President.

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

Obama was pretty disappointing, but yeah, I don't think he "fundamentally transformed" America for the worse. Unless you believe he's responsible for the rise of Trump (which I do not). Trump has ruined both the left and right. And that STILL doesn't make him being President necessarily worse that Kamala being President.

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Go...c'mon. For the worst? That is debatable. But to suggest this political power couple has not significantly shaped our American reality is just ignorant. Your Country has been "Transformed" in 15 years. The only debate is how.

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Originally Posted by Xuperman

Go...c'mon. For the worst? That is debatable. But to suggest this political power couple has not significantly shaped our American reality is just ignorant.

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You have a deep rooted issue with someone based on thoughts and feelings. You really can’t be taken seriously. Done with this stupid discusssion.

I think the Obamas have largely been the driving force behind the Democratic Party for the last 16 years. They're the Democratic version of Trump. So yes, I think they have influence.

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

Obama was pretty disappointing, but yeah, I don't think he "fundamentally transformed" America for the worse. Unless you believe he's responsible for the rise of Trump (which I do not). Trump has ruined both the left and right. And that STILL doesn't make him being President necessarily worse that Kamala being President.

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I really don’t know who is worse at this point. They are both historically awful. I literally can’t believe that every day I wake up and those are still the two choices we have.

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Originally Posted by Xville

You have a deep rooted issue with someone based on thoughts and feelings. You really can’t be taken seriously. Done with this stupid discusssion.

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Ok..go away.

But the OBAMA'S are easily the most powerful couple in American politics....even global implications. I can not see any other name changing that for a very long time.

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Originally Posted by Xville

I think you just have a problem with being a white male in America today.

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Or perhaps this was a frequent and passionate discussion in the Obama household.

https://quotefancy.com/quote/867970/...e-are-going-to

Could be there is a "problem" in there somewhere related to "Transformation".

And this is one of my favorite "FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORM" nuggets.

https://www.politico.com/story/2012/...0plant,%20they

Just more to file in the "facts" category.

For now on, I will only believe those who believe in what I think (sarc).

Critical thought be damned!