Politics Thread

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Originally Posted by xubrew

Amazing?? Perhaps. Purposefully conflated?? Not necessarily. People who are lawyers sometimes forget that a lot of people who are not lawyers and/or have never had to deal with litigation or legal situations simply don't know the law that well.

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Well the problem is when people believe or continue to push out a BS narrative after they hear the facts.

Just like when an exhaustive investigation showed Trump did not personally collude with Russia and people refuse to believe it. Or after major investigation into the 2020, people still think the election was rigged.

This not the first time Trump has been mislabeled a rapist or for sexual assault on this board. Sure it won’t be the last time for whatever people want to believe on any issue.

Here are the facts of the "rape" case Paul keeps referring to. I posted this before, but he totally ignored it, and keeps posting blatant lies.




THE ‘RAPE’.

During the latest episode of this trial, Carroll admitted she wasn’t doing very well financially and needed to find a way to sell more books. The testimony appears to be the basis for the very first claim she ever made, in New York magazine’s The Cut, in the summer of 2019.

Far from a compelling claim, the 80-year-old writer initially laid out the story that her supposed rape occurred either in 1994, before altering the day to be “in the fall of 1995 or the spring of 1996.” She couldn’t remember the specifics. What she did remember was that she was wearing a “Donna Karan coatdress and high heels but not a coat.” She later refused to produce said coat for DNA testing despite admitting to still owning it, describing it as “unworn and unlaundered since that evening.” It later came to light that the coatdress was not made in 1994 or 1995.

It didn’t matter to Carroll, who has accused multiple men of sexually assaulting or raping her throughout her life, including a babysitter’s boyfriend, a dentist, a camp counselor, an unnamed college date, an unnamed boss, and CBS chief executive Les Moonves.

Carroll also appeared to remember specifics such as the emptiness of the Bergdorf Goodman department store in the early evening – a detail she called “inconceivable” – as well as admitting that it was her who wanted to sexually harrass Trump originally because she wanted a “funny story to tell” about getting the then-infamous New York City developer to put on women’s lingerie.

Upon voluntarily entering a dressing room which she claims would “usually [be] locked until a client wants to try something on,” she claims Trump “unzips his pants, and, forcing his fingers around my private area, thrusts his penis halfway — or completely, I’m not certain — inside me.”

After apparently struggling free, she says, “I don’t remember if any person or attendant is now in the lingerie department. I don’t remember if I run for the elevator or if I take the slow ride down on the escalator. As soon as I land on the main floor, I run through the store and out the door — I don’t recall which door — and find myself outside on Fifth Avenue.”

The story itself beggars belief. If a celebrity had tried to rape me in a public place, I think the first thing I might have done was tell someone. In the words of her own friends, E. Jean Carroll is an “attention-seeker.” It is already difficult to imagine such a scenario unfolding without immediate consequences for the assailant, let alone when the victim is a nationally published attention-seeker.

LAW & ORDER.

But even if your sympathies still lay with Carroll, consider this. Carroll – a self-declared Law and Order TV show fan – first made her allegations against Trump in a 2019 book, just a few years after an episode of the show saw characters discuss a role-played rape in a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room.

CNN reported in 2019 that Carroll was “an avid Law & Order franchise fan,” to which Carroll – an ostensibly damaged rape victim responded of the “coincidence”: “It tickled me to death.” She called it “a great, huge coincidence, but… a magnificent one.”

Carroll’s entire character is one of bizarre sexual thoughts, antics, and actions. Another piece of evidence the judge refused to allow was that Carroll named her cat “Vagina” and posted repeatedly about anal sex, celebrity fantasies, and pornography.

In fact, in 2012, Trump himself was the subject of one of these fantasies Carroll shared on her Facebook page: “Would you have sex with Donald Trump for $17,000?” before going on to suggest that in her fantasy scenario, Trump may not be able to speak. An odd thing to post for someone who alleges that the same man raped her less than two decades prior.


It goes on and on: https://thenationalpulse.com/analysi...rican-history/

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Originally Posted by paulxu

https://apnews.com/article/trump-rap...d42af9ec83d7db

Liable for, not convicted of. My bad I guess. Although I think that means the jury decided he sexually abused someone.

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Joe Biden SHOWERED multiple times with his own daughter. Are we to assume a young girls DIARY is a lie?

I will wait for the usual crickets.

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

It's pretty unbelievable. And to make matters worse, the Republicans are nominating Donald Trump.

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Bravo!! Your posts are always full of class and clever character. You got some Twain/Will Rogers going on man!!

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Originally Posted by xubrew

I'l probably regret asking this, but who are these puppet masters? I don't really look at this and see any evidence of anyone who's capable of mastering much of anything.

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Name #1 is TRUMP.

Word is, he has the entire Republican party in a firm wrap & tied nut grip....the epitome of a string master.

However, there is another well entrenched DC swamp creature with MASS influence.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hundreds-...222041905.html

NO WAY Biden is re-elected. He is politically, if not soon physically, dead already. I have repeatedly said it....but can you say "Michelle"?

Wouldn't "Michelle/Mamala" be just perfect for a winning 2024 campaign slogan?

We are being totally backshafted here folks. You have useful idiots here and countless more in mass bringing the Progressive Vaseline to get it done.

Keep an eye on Tulsi Gabbard as a possible VP pick for Trump.

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

It's pretty unbelievable. And to make matters worse, the Republicans are nominating Donald Trump.

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Yep they are both just horrible unfit for office candidates. If someone continually complains about one candidate while ignoring how awful the other is, all you’re doing is showing your bias. There is no objective reason for liking either candidate other than well at least they aren’t x.

Would be nice if we could get people like beshear on the left and a hogan on the right to run and actually win presidential primaries but common sense politics doesn’t really exist right now.

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Originally Posted by xubrew

Amazing?? Perhaps. Purposefully conflated?? Not necessarily.

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Yes, that's what I said. There are people on this board who over and over again (the same people I might add) who knowingly use incorrect terminology to try to blur the lines between criminal and civil litigation. They know the law and how it's applied, but chose to spin it to fit their narratives. I guess it's not 'amazing' as I described...more along the lines of unoriginal and completely predictable.

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Originally Posted by Xville

Would be nice if we could get people like beshear on the left and a hogan on the right to run and actually win presidential primaries but common sense politics doesn’t really exist right now.

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Sign me up

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Originally Posted by murray87

Keep an eye on Tulsi Gabbard as a possible VP pick for Trump.

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She's the second choice in the betting odds behind Tim Scott. Both would be fine choices and far better than anyone else on the top or bottom of the respective tickets (assuming Biden goes with Kamala again). Scott's suck-up tour has been embarrassing, but if that's what it takes to get someone sane in the mix, so be it. Tulsi back-dooring her way into the Presidency through the Trump VP spot would be some story after the way she's been treated by her former Democratic compatriots.