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We have a lot of issues with this team, but I don't think JP's play is one of them. He is what he is, and people love it when he hits those crazy 3s. I think he's improved with his bigger role and appreciate his hustle and willingness to make a play (not a lot of guys seem interested in that this year).
Something like that, yea. JP is just getting abused defensively. I know he's not overly quick, but half the time he just doesn't pay attention. Lot of communication problems as well. He's better as a spark plug, but just not a responsible enough player to be a reliable starter at this point and mostly it's about mindset and effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juice
JP's effort is not a question. He makes things happen. He just plays dumb at times, and usually at crucial times because he's trying to do more than his athleticism will allow. This is one of the HUGE differences you see between our guys and Villanova's guys. They are not oozing super athleticism...but they're guys are smart basketball players who limit mistakes (both physically and mentally)
Arch was the essence of this, and Jenkins isn't far behind.
Mack has described J.P. variously as " not playing in the system" , "playing hero ball" with blind passes and wild 3 's.
Players with that mind set are usually referred to an"selfish players".
I don't disagree with everything else, but his effort is definitely in question. His laxity on defense is appalling. It's infuriating. He got abused by cumberland.
Is it effort or ability? He just doesn't have the quickness to guard very good/elite guards. I have no doubt he's trying to...he just can't. That's one of his weaknesses. It seems coach thinks his strengths outweigh this...and they probably do.Quote:
Originally Posted by scoscox
JP is what he is, kid can absolutely make a difference in games. He has never been a plus defender and he never will be one, however, he can more than make up for it on the offensive end. His shooting is necessary especially next season.
Nailed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by scoscox
Spot onQuote:
Originally Posted by drudy23
yeah ok then who do you start and who's better suited? We just don't have the talent and depth this yearQuote:
Originally Posted by Drew
Mack's teams have always been defense first. Sumner, Bernard, Bluiett, Gates, Gaston.Quote:
Originally Posted by bleedXblue
it's not just JP with the shots -our whole team spazzes out every time were in a close, late game frantic situation. I forgot which game it was, but we had an end of game sequence when we needed to make a shot where Ed bricked a 3, Tre got the rebound and ran to the 3 point line and missed a step back fadeaway 3, then JP got a kick out and launched a 35 footer and missed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew
All in about 7 seconds with 2 minutes left in the game. The announcers remark was something along the lines of "what the hell are they doing?"
I love JP. But I think he's really struggling with his new role. He could get away with a lot of his "negatives' playing as an offensive spark off the bench. They become much more pronounced in a starting/primary role.
I don't think a lot of people played organized basketball on this board.
Agree with all of this. But man...he let a freshman guard whose weakness coming into college was lack of quickness/slow feet, dribble right by him multiple times last night. A frosh guard who averages around 6 ppg shouldn't have been able to drive and score that easily on a junior starter. Last night was a little alarming.Quote:
Originally Posted by LA Muskie
The problem is that without Remy and now Myles there is no one you can really use to sit him down when he is struggling.
Last year you could put him in, see if he was hot, and if he was leave him in and if he wasn't pull him out.
That luxury isn't really there this year, at least not for long stretches.
You and LA said the exact same thing but in different ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by casualfan
Correct. Bringing him off the bench wouldn't make a difference. The problem is that we have no choice but to play him 30+ minutes. And he hasn't adjusted to that new normal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nigel Tufnel
JP is better defensively statistically and is overall a more efficient player than last year. There are some really unfair narratives out there.
Don't get me wrong -- I think JP is a net positive (and that it's not a close call). I also agree that this may be an issue of perception. "Spark-plugs" tend to make their name on the good; the bad gets swept under the rug. But when you play 30+ minutes, you're generally held to a higher standard -- and the "bad" tends to get noticed more.Quote:
Originally Posted by SemajParlor
I just don't believe his play this year fits into the box that people are trying to put him in. He's not a wild card uncontrollable hot / cold guy. He's a very good Big East guard and has demonstrated he's productive over the course of a game.
I agree he's neither "uncoachable" nor "uncontrollable". But he's certainly had his spells of "undisciplined" and "unfocused" on both ends of the court.Quote:
Originally Posted by SemajParlor
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He is wild and shoots/passes too much like "White Chocolate" BUT he is extremely crafty and works his butt off. Scrappy dude. Wish he could play better defense but he is slow footed.
I'm a big JP guy so I'm probably biased, but I don't think he is nearly as bad as people are saying. When he does get burned, it looks like the player going by him would typically go right into a help defender, but that help defender is nowhere to be found. Maybe it's communication issues amongst multiple players. I also see him covering for others who get burned. That leaves his player open, and if his player is found it appears JP is wildly out of position. It looks bad on JP, but not the defender who origionally got beat. However if JP didn't slide over to help, it's an easy bucket.
I think for our team, he's right about average on defense. Let's face it, our defense this year is pretty bad. The last couple of weeks, we seem to go on long periods of gameplay where every possession the opponent is coming away with points.
I also think that, especially against Cumberland for example, JP struggles guarding SGs. JP is more athletic than he looks, but he's a SF, and does much better going against other SFs. We just don't have enough true guards on our roster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Backyard Champ
The ''wild shots'' seem to be attempts to draw fouls. Often works for him, but not the UC game.
I would agree that is a fair assessment. Turnovers have been an issue he can hopefully improve on.Quote:
Originally Posted by LA Muskie
I agree. When you are getting essentially zero offensive production inside it forces your perimeter players to have to make plays and do a little too much. We have nothing even close to Farr and Reynolds under the basket this year offensively or defensively. We even have to rebound more as a team because we don't have a dominant rebounder inside.Quote:
Originally Posted by SemajParlor
[Dennis Green voice] JP is who we thought he was! [/Dennis Green voice]
JP has no conscience when he's on the floor. Sometimes it results in poor shot selection, or ill-conceived passes, but damn the kid can play. And he played his ass off last night... 33 minutes going for 10 and 7.
One thing that won't show up on the stat sheet either though was that chase-down back-tip to prevent the layup after the SHU steal late in the game (although I believe the Hall ended up scoring on the ensuing possession after the inbound). Still, that's the type of hustle play that gets rewarded in the long run. You could tell JP was gassed... he left it all on the floor.
Like everyone else, you take the good with the bad, and that hustle was very, very good! Just keep that up while valuing the ball, because that was good stuff.
I said it his Freshman year through today, I love the kid. He can flat out play and he has a killer mentality, but he may have dragged his pivot foot a tad on that bank shot. Not enough for a travel though with that little time left, certainly not like the KU kid did against KSU a few weeks ago.
You mean like this?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad
https://youtu.be/8GnJ7xe-2MY
JP does good things and is no doubt a good player. I'd just like to see more discipline in key moments, more specifically a sustained focus on defense. The microwave, gunslinger, wild card role should phase out and you should become a reliable basketball player. Last night alone, he got out of position on seton hall's tying bucket giving his man a lane to the basket and leaves his man wide open on the three point line to try to help on a ball handler at 3/4 court on their last possession. Those are just undisciplined lapses that hurt the team. Those things cant happen, but he does this kind of stuff all the time. I love the guy and his energy and everything he brings, but these kind of basic discipline lapses just kill me.
Hey Coach,
Blink twice if you are reading this. Go to 4:19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_K4KQ_XMlA
"He is a very coachable kid"-- Chris Mack on JP Macura
I think we can now close this thread. The question was "Is JP Madura coachable" and Coach Mack has confirmed that he is in fact, coachable.
This case is closed...In Coach Mack we trust!
Well, Mack obviously needs to be fired after a comment like that.
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Originally Posted by nuts4xu
I immediately thought about this thread after watching his presser last night. Ha. Lots of Xavierhoops members were with me on that.
Haha, agreed! First thing I thought when Mack said "JP is very coachable" was 'but I read on XH that he isn't!' GO X!
Shun the moron that started it...pretty sure 95% of the responses disagreed with him.