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Is there a link for this?Quote:
Originally Posted by barrack 9
I'm not expert on either Lawrence North, nor their core course curriculum, but I believe the challenges with Chandler qualifying will go well beyond his core courses. As the NCAA put it, there are 3 things that can ding you: test scores, GPA, core courses -- I think Chandler's struggles are with A and B, not necessarily C. I'll try to find a link, but one of the national recruiting guys (daniels? bosse? telep?) mentioned months ago that his scores and gpa were an issue..at least I think that is what I recall.Quote:
Originally Posted by barrack 9
The problem with Justin Martin was not the course at Lawrence North itself. The problem was that a core course he took at Moutain State Academy (his second high school) was to similar (in the eyes of the NCAA) to a course he took at Larry North. MSA was trying to say that they were two different course and the NCAA was not having any of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by barrack 9
Not that this is a source or anything, but the Purdue fan I'm friends with made fun of Xavier for getting Lawrence North guys because they apparently have problems qualifing from there.
I hope you then referred him to the video of the last meeting between X and PurdueQuote:
Originally Posted by BiggieXU
BMOE: Sorry but you fall victim to believing highly inaccurate statements from questionable sources. For sure SAT/ACT scores are easily verified and GPA, both from Lawrence North & Mountain St, are within arms' reach to check.
Some other "big name" schools who were rejected by Chandler fueled the incorrect basis why they could not land such a touted local recruit.
Not saying they are holding a Rhodes for Chandler, nor that Lawrence & Mountain St. should compare to Jesuit secondary schools, but it is only questions about his core coursework that doomed Justin Martin.
It does seem perplexing that NCAA goes to substantial lengths to compare specific core courses at Lawrence to determine the overlap to courses at Mountain St, but cannot figure out on timely basis how a Memphis player received passing grade in one more advanced math course without passing a more basic course first.
Ha, I actually watched that game with him. It was great, but he expected to lose since they were young then.Quote:
Originally Posted by muskiefan82
That is what I have heard as well. Also, when it comes to core course requirements, it is almost always due to a transfer and an issue as to whether a course taken a the new school satisfies another core requirement or is too similar to a course taken at the prior school and therefore does not constitute an additional core credit.Quote:
Originally Posted by ballyhoohoo
There have been a lot of rumors about Chandler's ability to qualify for a long time. These certainly did not come up just because he chose to attend Xavier.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe titan
I hope he qualifies and certainly have no idea how close he is, but these questions did not arise because he ended up at Xavier instead of a "bigger" school.
Whitesox,
I still believe as I have stated in the past that there is just too much coincidence in the fact that Xavier has a player denied full qualifying status by the NCAA after a high school coach bitched out both Xavier and Mack when the player decided to go to an academy to bolster his academics.
It's plain the coach has motive and opportunity to screw Xavier by simply sending a transcript to the academy which shows the student completed one core course when in fact he hadn't or affixing a name to a so-called core course when in fact it was not.
As far as Memphis not knowing about Rose, that was as BS as Kentucky not knowing about Bledsoe and the NCAA not knowing about either. The NCAA doesn't give a damn about the kid when it comes to a smaller school v. one of the B6. All you have to do is see the movie "Blind Side" to get a clear picture of the NCAA and how it is manipulated every year by coaches who lost out on signing a blue chip prospect. Please don't ever tell me Tom Crean nor the Purdue coach had nothing to do with vengeance, because both are small people who can't stand the fact that Xavier is a more attractive school than their basketball factory as far as many parents are concerned.:D:D
Ha! That's good stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe titan
How would the coach at St. Vincent St. Mary have access to Justin Martin's transcripts?Quote:
Originally Posted by wkrq59
Last year the coach( Keefer I think ) from Lawrence North went on a similar tirade against Mack & Co.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheese
I did not know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by flatspat
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Originally Posted by flatspat
Thank you flatspat. I was thinking of the coach at LN. He was far more pissed than the guy at ASTVSTM. Thing was, Tom Crean was involved supplying nasty asides to the Indy Star reporter who wrote the story. Thing is, Justin Martin is ujltimately the one who is hurt by this, and if it can be proved, Steele's hunting in the fine Hoosier state can only get better.
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Yeah, well, the HS coaches who bitch need to take a chill pill.Quote:
Originally Posted by flatspat
I lost a lot of respect for Dru Joyce over his tirade on Jakarr Sampson. Uncalled for. I had always thought that Joyce was a good coach, a good man and only had his kids best interest at heart, not his own selfish "State Championship" needs. That little bitch session changed my opinion. Sampson and his family made the decision themselves. CMack or the staff had nothing to do with it. Joyce has never sent a kid to Xavier though. Whatever.
How the HS coaches should handle it is how St. Edwards' Eric Flannery handled it after Pitino directed James "Zach" Price to move to Kentucky- with class. All Flannery said was that he wished "the best for James and his development." Period. Eric Flannery has the 100% respect of every college coach in America because A) He develops good basketball players and kids, B) When he gives a coach a player analysis, he never sugarcoats it or pumps it up, C) He never, ever throws a coach under the bus. Flannery has been named to coach many National under 18 teams that competed Internationally and he's developed plenty of D-1 talent.
If the NCAA wants to investigate stuff, they should investigate Slick Rick. What he did with Price was almost identical to BeelzeBob suddenly relocating Dumbtonio Wingfield to Cincinnati a few years ago to a school who would write any grade they needed on a transcript to make Wingfield eligible- with one exception- St. Eds actually educates their kids and Price's grades were OK. The Price move had nothing to do with academics only Slick being able to get Price closer to monitor him.
The NCAA ought to look in the state next door to the south. It's a close easy drive, there's plenty of dirty laundry in Louisville and Lexington to clean out and it wouldn't be to hard to find it.
I think I've posted this before but I have an old friend from HS who works in the guidance department at Hughes HS and he told me that the requirements to qualify for NCAA are really black and white. There are a list of courses that the NCAA requires you to take, and have different Test score and GPA requirements. They are laid out clearly in Prop 16 and 48 of the NCAA rules (Actual rules not linked, just article explaining them). Additionally schools are required to review transcripts of student-athletes prior to them making an official visit to help check out whether they will qualify. I do not know who is at fault but somewhere along the lines someone wasn't doing their job properly which is how Martin took the wrong classes and didn't qualify.
I've also read places, I can't recall where, but Chandler's de-commitment from Louisville had to do with an academic situation similar to Martin's. Let's just hope that Xavier's compliance department is now on notice because of Martin and make sure the same thing doesn't happen a second time around.
The requirements are black-and-white. But the titles and curricula of courses are not. The issue of CORE course qualification almost arises (as it did with Martin) when a player transfers during high school and takes a class at his new school that the NCAA determines was too similar to a course at his prior school and therefore is repetitive of (instead of in addition to) CORE courses previously taken. Now GPA and test scores, those are black-and-white in all respects.Quote:
Originally Posted by xu05usmc
http://www.thehoopside.com/top-prospects.php
this is a list of the top 20 in Indiana regardless of grade...note that marquis teague is NOT #1 as his stats are fairly average (16 and 5 last season) and Hanner Perea is not as high as most people would put him but the two games that I have seen him at he had 13 points and 9 points while getting somewhere in the neighborhood of 8-12 rebounds each time. His athleticism is insane but the rest is just hype because they saw him do an astounding dunk. I really like the way Xavier is recruiting in Indiana, it is definitely a solid source of recruits in the upcoming seasons as a lot will be overlooked due to the standout players who already receive so much attention.
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That site can't be serious placing Austin Etherington ahead of D'Vauntes & Darwin. I have seen that kid play and to me do not think he will be all that great of a college player. I think he will have a hard time playing much at IU and would not be surprised if he transfers out at some point with the way IU is trying to recruit over him.
Any list of Indiana players that doesn't have Smith-Rivera and Dee Davis ranked 1 and 2 isn't valid in my book. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHoopSide1
And why did you post this in the Chandler thread. We aren't recruiting him any more to my knowledge
DSR already "schooled" Pike and Teague this yr. DSR had 35-36 and is scoring 33 ppg:Quote:
Originally Posted by SixFig
http://www.highschoolsports.net/loca...Boys/2010/All/
The reason why Austin is ahead of them is because his ratings are overall more balanced. If Darwin was 6'1" 180 then it would be a different story. D'Vauntes is not quick whatsoever, he can score still, so I'm not knocking him as a player; he can play. I just don't see him being able to guard players laterally that well at the next level, let alone drive (which all stems off of his quickness). Perhaps once he gets to Xavier, Coach will take some of those pounds off of him which will help him improve in every facet. But as of right now, his quickness is what is holding back his ranking. You are welcome to click on a player's first name to see their profile which includes a breakdown of their rating/highlight/interview/etc. Another reason why he may not be as high is simply because Etherington has a year on him. I got a chance to see Etherington play this year and he put on a show. His summer campaign was really hindered because he had a stress fracture in his back. Now that he is back in top form, I expect him to give out more performances like he did when I was there (showing great all-around play) and go back to his averages of 22.9 points, 7.6 rebounds, 2.1 assists and 1.4 blocks (junior). Regardless, X did a tremendous job in recruiting Indiana this year and won't be disappointed next season. You should check out Tyler Wideman, 6'8" 240 pound freshman who just recently put up 13 and 8 for Lake Central High School (a team that features Glenn Robinson III who signed to Michigan). www.thehoopside.com/tyler-wideman.phpQuote:
Originally Posted by xavierj
Also, I know that we aren't recruiting M. Chandler anymore, I couldn't find another thread that encapsulated Indiana recruiting for X as much as this one.
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I agree his scoring output is pretty solid this season, but I expected his numbers to go up after Terone Johnson left....that makes DSR an elite option for them. Also, if it was entirely based off of scoring, Austin Richie (Lowell HS, Lowell IN) would be signed to Duke and not Western Michigan.
Lowell ain't the State champs North Central, DSR plays against Teague, Patterson etc., etc and the games haven't been close yet. Huge diff. Austin is a good pu for IU, but I don't think he will be playing any great d either right away.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHoopSide1
Well DSR is the best player on his team and already got the better of Pike and Teague. He has a good chance of leading his team to another state championship as a junior. You can either play or you can't, he can play. If he were signed with IU and did not have an injury this summer his rating would be way higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHoopSide1
D'Vauntes plays for one of the best teams in Indiana, Lowell however where Richie plays is not very good. Yes there is more than just scoring and Rivera obviously does that, he just wins and I will take winners every day of the week.
DSR has the greatest will to win I have seen in a while. In an AAU tournament where the game did not matter in the slightest (lack of coaches, etc.) Rivera single handedly willed his team to win. And I agree about him being the best player on one of the best teams. But the last time I saw him his quickness was such a glaring weakness (but of course it didn't matter because his pull-up is stellar) that I had a hard time putting him ahead of many people. He still has another year to climb the charts and I scheduled myself a visit to see him play since I heard what he did to Pike (did not think he could play that well against that quick of a team) *Note: he also only had 2 three pointers in that game, so his driving must have been on*
Like I said, right now, he is an astounding player, but he needs help on his first step to become truly elite; it is hindering every facet of his game (imagine if he had a Marquis Teague-esque first step how many points he would score). The sites rankings are based off of the ratings, and right now his athleticism is holding back his defensive rating as well. Some may call it a flaw, but you need quickness to guard at the point at the next level.
Hoopside, is Xavier still going strong after Gary Harris? I know Steele was supposedly watching him play last weekend.
I think Xavier is doing what they can but Illinois, Michigan State, Ohio State and 18 schools in total are also involved. I believe 14 have offered, I would like to see X do more as he will be one of the more hotly contested recruits in the country coming up. Got a chance to see him play...athleticism and control is UNREAL. And yeah I got the report that Steele was watching him too, along with a few other coaches (Pitino, vandy assistant, someone elsewho I forgot...dang.) lol. he has a great frame and has an immensely bright future ahead of him
www.thehoopside.com/gary-harris.php -garys profile
www.thehoopside.com/top-prospects.php -see how gary stacks up (regardless of class)
ww.thehoopside.com/ratings.php -see how the ratings work
Watching him play actually reminds me of Byron Larkin. Great body control and consistently hits the mid range jumper.
I seem to remember another guy who played for DePaul back in the day that didn't have much quickness either- Mark Aguirre. He didn't play point, and I do not think that DSR will either. DSR is more of a 2 or some 3 as I see it. We've got PGs.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheHoopSide1
All that Aguirre guy did was take the whole program on his back, including old Ray Meyer, and take them to Final 4's.
That will be nice. Who is the last guy we had that consistently took and hit mid-range jumpers? It seems to be almost a lost art.Quote:
Originally Posted by MADXSTER
I'm curious about one thing. Assuming that DSR lacks quickness, how did he get ranked in the top 30 nationally by Rivals? He must do some things exceptionally well to make up for his perceived lack of quickness.
I'm sure he's at least got deceptive quickness, but you don't get rated as a 5 star recruit without having some serious tools. Let's just say I doubt he'll leave Xavier being know as a guy who just isn't that quick.Quote:
Originally Posted by XU 87
Quickness is great but if you are mentally tough and do other things well you can be a great player without quickness.
I believe DSR wants to play point and was told he could at X if he earns the job. I suspect he will primarily play SG but get minutes at point. I expect Davis to be a very good PG and have the starting job once Tu and maybe Lyons leave. If everyone plays to potential it is going to be very difficult to get everyone minutes. Most likely someone will be a bust or transfer for more PT but there are a lot of players capable of minutes.
PG - Lyons, Davis, DSR
SG - Redford, Martin, DSR
SF - Wells, Canty, Martin
4/5 - Taylor, Latham, Reynolds, McKenzie, Robinson, TBA?
Depending on defensive and rebounding ability Canty could get some minutes at the 4. If the big men deliver I expect a final 4 with the above team. Plenty of experience with 3.5 second year players and 1 freshman plus another yet to be named. Martin is given a .5 since he is practicing with the team. Taylor has experience at D1 plus is practicing this year so he is counted as an upper classman. And the great news is that the team should stay at the top for years to come with the exceptional youth (based on rankings). Another big man would be a great get for the above class to keep depth at those positions.
You never know until the player gets here. I'm in no way saying, or even insinuating, that I think DSR is overrated (I've never seen him play). But I still recall highly ranked recruits that never got even close to their expectations- Lloyd Price (who my dad called Floyd Prince), Churchill Odia, Joey Rey, Erik Edwards, Brian Henley, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by xu15
In light of the fact that DSR is in the top 25, and chose X over some big programs, I expect that he'll be a very, very good player. But we'll see.
Lloyd Price wasn't due to a lack of quickness. If I recall correctly he injured his ankle and was never the same after that. Normally that is an injury you can come back from but in his case it seemed to have lasting effects.
I think DSR is a better PG than the current PG's at Xavier...and to use a rough analogy Gilbert Arenas (granted the scandal and everything) played PG but John Wall came in and moved Gil to SG (also granted that Gil shot 3's too much anyway, the point is you put your best player at their best position). If you go to DSR's profile http://www.thehoopside.com/dvauntes-smith-rivera.php and scroll down to watch his highlight, you'll see what I mean by lack of quickness...that isn't knocking his skills at all...he is still one of the best players in the country..i would just to like to see his quickness develop (note :27 (seconds) and on in the video, he gets buckets, no doubt, but i don't know how he is getting passed these guys..he isn't quick, but he is very VERY crafty).Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterofreality
http://www.thehoopside.com/dvauntes-smith-rivera.phpQuote:
Originally Posted by XU 87
*Note that unlike other sites, our ratings are the same for each grade..meaning that he isn't compared against other 2012's, but compared to other high-schoolers..period. also, check out his highlight video that shows off his skill set..
Chandler commits to Central Florida tonight. Judging by his past, I would assume he will de-commit from there in a few weeks.