Xavier FCS Football???

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Originally Posted by xubrew

Because as it has been explained, many times by multiple people, the resource commitment would be minimal. I know that doesn't seem to be getting through to you, but it won’t nearly as taxing as what you’re projecting. Even Marian, the school that is so small you've never heard of it, is able to sustain it without any problems.

Look, if Xavier does this, then you of all people are going to love it!! As I recall you hated the idea of a cost of living stipend. You hated the NIL legislation, and you hated the Supreme Court's ruling in the Alston Case, and sided with the NCAA when they fought against the anti-trust lawsuits. You thought all of this would ruin college athletics. Well, these players won't even have scholarships!! They'll be paying tuition like everyone else!! It will be all about the love of the game, which is what college sports is really all about!!

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Just because "its been explained many times by multiple people" doesnt mean I have to accept that. Nobody has actually EXPLAINED it at all. There are some people that dont think it will consume many resources or dont think it will be expensive. But they havent explained WHY. Even if 100 people dont "think" it will be that expensive, it doesnt change my mind one bit until I see some evidence. this should be approached as a business decision for the university. Showing mumbo jumbo accounting results that shows that a team spent "DOWN TO THE PENNY" the exact amount of money it brought in is actually just evidence that they DONT want you to see the actual P&L of the program.

The startup costs will be in the millions. I believe that once you get past that, the program MIGHT be able to operate at a small deficit yearly ( a few hundred thousand). If the team draws in incremental students in the form of players, then the incremental tuition (after associated costs) can be attributed to the program as well. I see an extremely limited student recruiting benefit outside of the very immediate local area.

If the startup costs were being covered by a donor that would only provide money if it's used for that purpose, then it does impact my concerns consdierably.

And, for the record.....1) I dont think I've ever commented on the idea of a athletic stipend. Thats actually an idea I WOULD endorse, as long as it's equally applied (all sports at ALL schools) and genuinely meant to cover cost of living an incidental stuff. I'm talking like 10K per year. 2) Yes, I hate the NIL rules. 3) I never mentioned or have commented on the Supreme Court case. I'm giving my opinion on these issues, and it has absolutely nothing to do with that case. My opinion would not change at all based on the outcome of that case or if it had not existed at all. I dont let court decisions define my opinions. 4) You forgot the immediate transfer rules. I hate that rule. 5) and, I guess we will have to keep our eye on the overall college sports landscape to see what the impact is. What I DO know is that Jay Wright and Roy Williams both retired and specifically cited some of these changes...

A separate post on speculating about a stadium and facilities. While I have no idea how practice time, etc. would be managed - I'm sure they can figure that out - I do have a "romantic" notion of having Corcoran Field reborn to some degree, albeit scaled appropriately (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corcoran_Stadium).

Parking would be an issue, but let a lot of attendees stroll across campus on their way to a game. A bona fide tailgate area could be established between the north end of the stadium and the Champions Center. It's a beautiful setting down there, looking back up at the traditional Academic Row.

More to the point and where the real benefits kick in: you can kill multiple birds with one capital project stone: imagine a nice stadium facility that can accommodate football, both soccer programs and lacrosse. Perhaps football isn't just about male recruitment and more activities in the fall. Maybe it can help lift improved recruiting for other key sports via a trifecta facilities play. Again, speculation on my part, but hopefully not a bad or crazy thought.

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Originally Posted by xudash

A separate post on speculating about a stadium and facilities. While I have no idea how practice time, etc. would be managed - I'm sure they can figure that out - I do have a "romantic" notion of having Corcoran Field reborn to some degree, albeit scaled appropriately (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corcoran_Stadium).

Parking would be an issue, but let a lot of attendees stroll across campus on their way to a game. A bona fide tailgate area could be established between the north end of the stadium and the Champions Center. It's a beautiful setting down there, looking back up at the traditional Academic Row.

More to the point and where the real benefits kick in: you can kill multiple birds with one capital project stone: imagine a nice stadium facility that can accommodate football, both soccer programs and lacrosse. Perhaps football isn't just about male recruitment and more activities in the fall. Maybe it can help lift improved recruiting for other key sports via a trifecta facilities play. Again, speculation on my part, but hopefully not a bad or crazy thought.

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Dash:

Driving past Victory Parkway and Dana, I always recall how that area was easily the prettiest part of Xavier's campus. The football stadium with the classic rise of the brick on the east side stands with the portals adorned by wrought iron bars. The schedule board outside the south side of the field. Thinking if Xavier ever brought back football, how cool it would be to have the same stadium configuration again even if it were on a smaller scale than the original 15, 000 seat original. The picturesque view of the academic buildings to the east. Tailgating as you suggest. Parking could be worked out with the campus strolls. I like the idea.
envision

IMO the most likely scenario would be for them to play in a local HS stadium, not an on-campus facility.

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Originally Posted by XUGRAD80

IMO the most likely scenario would be for them to play in a local HS stadium, not an on-campus facility.

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I don’t think that is the most likely scenario.

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Originally Posted by XUGRAD80

IMO the most likely scenario would be for them to play in a local HS stadium, not an on-campus facility.

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I don't know how many the under-construction Staubach stadium will hold, but it's just a stone's throw up Woodburn.

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Originally Posted by xudash

I don’t think that is the most likely scenario.

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Well, it’s the model that I’ve seen all of the other local colleges start out with. Not saying that it will be the permanent solution, but I do think that it will be what it starts out with. The costs involved in building even a small on campus facility are huge. If they aren’t really doing this for any other reason than to drive male enrollment, then there really is no need for an on campus facility right away. That can wait until there is enough of a fan base to make it needed. Seems silly to spend millions on a facility that won’t be needed more than a handful of times a year.

There are at least 4 decent sized and fairly new or updated HS stadiums close to the Xavier campus that could be used. One of them, Norwood HS’s Shea Stadium, hosted the Moeller-ST. X high school playoff game last evening with about 7-8,000 people in attendance. I’m sure it could host a Xavier U game with no problem.

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Originally Posted by nickgyp

Dash:

Driving past Victory Parkway and Dana, I always recall how that area was easily the prettiest part of Xavier's campus. The football stadium with the classic rise of the brick on the east side stands with the portals adorned by wrought iron bars. The schedule board outside the south side of the field. Thinking if Xavier ever brought back football, how cool it would be to have the same stadium configuration again even if it were on a smaller scale than the original 15, 000 seat original. The picturesque view of the academic buildings to the east. Tailgating as you suggest. Parking could be worked out with the campus strolls. I like the idea.
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I’d love for that side of campus to get a major facelift. I’d love for Victory Parkway to be closed off to through traffic from Dana to Ledgewood to connect the campus, tear down the O’Connor, the armory and Schmit Field house. Use the “beach area” as well and build a 10K football field and more upper classman housing right there.

Alternatively, I’ve heard that a football stadium, again around 10K in size could be built were Cohen is, allowing parking at Cintas and Norwood Plaza. This area could also allow for housing to be built around the stadium overlooking the field. Butler has a similar set up.

Rent the new stadium to Moeller who is currently playing home games at Shea in Norwood.

PFL action yesterday, in San Diego, Butler kicker kicks 56 yard last second field goal for the win. Not too shabby for non-scholarship football.


https://twitter.com/NCAA_FCS/status/...mvOlHgSm314P_Q

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Originally Posted by nickgyp

PFL action yesterday, in San Diego, Butler kicker kicks 56 yard last second field goal for the win. Not too shabby for non-scholarship football.


https://twitter.com/NCAA_FCS/status/...mvOlHgSm314P_Q

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And 6 people were there to see it.