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Originally Posted by boozehound

If these end up being deficit funded tax breaks I'll complain about them too. Right now I'm on the fence.

I know that fiscal conservatism is essentially dead, but I'm in the camp that doesn't want to see any significant increase in the budget deficit or national debt, whether spending-driven or tax-cut driven. I'm not sure either party gives a shit about that anymore though. I guess if you are only worried about getting elected pitching (a) profligate spending on entitlements or (b) tax cuts that we can't pay for are far more popular than proposing we reign in spending and get our financial house in order.

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You mean like the same way we have social programs that we cant pay for today either. Which window of the car do you want to throw your money out of? The left or right? It makes no difference.

Wake up, you are dreaming......

I will ALWAYS be in the camp of less tax that allows me (and others) to spend my hard earned money where I WANT to spend it....or save it for that matter.

As a country we will NEVER make any progress towards really attaining anything with social programs that enable people to sit on their ass and collect a check. There are many that really need help and there are millions that are f*ing lazy and have figured out the best way to work the system.

Get to work, do your fair share and contribute. That's the only way it CAN work.

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Originally Posted by bleedXblue

You mean like the same way we have social programs that we cant pay for today either. Which window of the car do you want to throw your money out of? The left or right? It makes no difference.

Wake up, you are dreaming......

I will ALWAYS be in the camp of less tax that allows me (and others) to spend my hard earned money where I WANT to spend it....or save it for that matter.

As a country we will NEVER make any progress towards really attaining anything with social programs that enable people to sit on their ass and collect a check. There are many that really need help and there are millions that are f*ing lazy and have figured out the best way to work the system.

Get to work, do your fair share and contribute. That's the only way it CAN work.

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The left wants people to funnel their money through the federal government and get less in return for their "investment." If the left could guarantee that the money would be wisely, efficiently, and properly then maybe they'd have an argument. But they know they can't and I know they can't. So I agree with you. Just let me and others like me keep our money let us spend it or save it on the things we like and need.

Bernie Sanders is claiming this is a robbery of the treasury or some shit like that. It's not the treasury's god damn money. It's the American people's. This is the same jackass that claims that the American dream is more possible in god damn Venezuela, a country where the average weight of their citizens has gone down 5-10 pounds, a country that is literally starving. Excuse if I don't feel bad when he cries about all the bad things that are going to happen because of the tax cuts. I want him to look people in the face and tell them the raises they're getting at work because of these tax cuts are a bad thing.

Charlie Kirk‏
@charliekirk11
Repealing the individual mandate is a middle class tax cut the media will never tell you about:
Nearly 80% of households that paid the penalty in 2016 had incomes below $50,000

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Originally Posted by Juice

Charlie Kirk‏
@charliekirk11
Repealing the individual mandate is a middle class tax cut the media will never tell you about:
Nearly 80% of households that paid the penalty in 2016 had incomes below $50,000

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You’re neglecting to mention the millions of people who need the insurance but will no longer be able to afford it once the republican-sponsored mandate is gone.

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Originally Posted by GenerationX

You’re neglecting to mention the millions of people who need the insurance but will no longer be able to afford it once the republican-sponsored mandate is gone.

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Assumingly due to the incurred cost of an older, sicker pool of insured population, increasing costs at a greater rate.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

Assumingly due to the incurred cost of an older, sicker pool of insured population, increasing costs at a greater rate.

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Exactly. Many of the healthy people will drop out. That’s what insurance is... shared risk. If everyone with insurance is sick, obviously the costs will increase. Even though the idea of the mandate was championed by a Republican, it’s evil according to conservatives now. It’s common sense though, really, outside of universal healthcare. That’s why universal healthcare would be best... if all participate, the cost would be the lowest possible.

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Originally Posted by Juice

CNBC Now‏
@CNBCnow
JUST IN: AT&T announces it will "pay a special $1,000 bonus to more than 200,000 AT&T U.S. employees" due to tax reform passage and will also increase US capital spending by $1 billion.

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Happy to see it for their employees, but I have to wonder if this has to do with the Time Warner deal. There's nothing Trump loves more than touting businesses helping Americans but nothing he hates more than CNN.

This Al Franken resignation/transition has become a bit strange. He's almost reaching martyr status. He's going to do some "farewell" speeches now, and he'll be hailed as a hero by the time it's all said and done...after Democrats forced him out...and then changed their minds (seemingly immediately following the counting of votes in Alabama).

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

This Al Franken resignation/transition has become a bit strange. He's almost reaching martyr status. He's going to do some "farewell" speeches now, and he'll be hailed as a hero by the time it's all said and done...after Democrats forced him out...and then changed their minds (seemingly immediately following the counting of votes in Alabama).

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You definitely hit the nail on the head there. They didn't need anything that would dampen democratic turnout in Bama.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun

Forgive me if I am skeptical of giant corporations making announcements of “good deeds” on a day they receive giant tax breaks. Hopefully trickle-down will work this time.

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Skeptical of what? Passing some of the tax savings to their employees who in turn can use that cash to purchase goods and services? 4-5 companies literally just gave millions of dollars to hundreds of thousands of American workers...and then raised wages. More will certainly follow suit as the need to retain workers is at a premium right now. Sounds pretty shady to me...