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Originally Posted by paulxu

In 1994, 6 "evil" Republicans voted for the law commonly known as the Assault Weapons Ban.
The vote was 61-38. So, just one vote prevented it from being filibustered.
These people were for it:


If it wasn't for the NRA and other groups and their $ support, perhaps Republicans wouldn't have blocked (even up to today) this law from being in place again.
There's no question we need work on all fronts; mental health is very important, but we use it as an excuse for every mass shooting to deflect from our obsessive gun culture. We are the only country in the world, by a large margin, where the number of guns owned by civilians outnumbers the number of civilians.

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Obsessive gun culture?

Please define the difference between a semi-auto rifle and a semi-auto “assault rifle”. Seems we only talk about the weapon when the perp doesn’t fit the narrative of the day.

Edit: Maybe if you stopped obsessing about taking them away people would not feel the need to have them?

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Obsessive gun culture?

Please define the difference between a semi-auto rifle and a semi-auto “assault rifle”. Seems we only talk about the weapon when the perp doesn’t fit the narrative of the day.

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Leftist like in Louisville & Nashville- “It’s Guns!!” (With total ignoring of the ideology even when against kids)
Rightist does it-it’s his nutty ideology(oh with guns always thrown in)
By the way. The shooting in Las Vegas from a hotel room into a crowd of country music fans (read mostly MAGA supporters) has been driven out of the news with no investigation into that shooter’s motivations, but “Perhaps” as Paul would say, there was a angry leftist shooter there???

Look, I have no guns and want none. I wish all guns were destroyed, but that is unrealistic and dangerous. However, I understand the “protection” aspect people espouse-especially when they are in less than desirable neighborhoods when liberal city prosecutors refuse to lock up violent criminals.
I also don’t remember a recent gun crime perped by an NRA member. Please share if you have one.

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Originally Posted by Masterofreality

Leftist like in Louisville & Nashville- “It’s Guns!!” (With total ignoring of the ideology even when against kids)
Rightist does it-it’s his nutty ideology(oh with guns always thrown in)
By the way. The shooting in Las Vegas from a hotel room into a crowd of country music fans (read mostly MAGA supporters) has been driven out of the news with no investigation into that shooter’s motivations, but “Perhaps” as Paul would say, there was a angry leftist shooter there???

Look, I have no guns and want none. I wish all guns were destroyed, but that is unrealistic and dangerous. However, I understand the “protection” aspect people espouse-especially when they are in less than desirable neighborhoods when liberal city prosecutors refuse to lock up violent criminals.
I also don’t remember a recent gun crime perped by an NRA member. Please share if you have one.

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You’re preaching to the choir here. :)

Well, I'll stand with Gerald Ford and Saint Ronnie.

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Originally Posted by paulxu

Well, I'll stand with Gerald Ford and Saint Ronnie.

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Only when it accomplishes your “ends”. Whatever “means” necessary I guess Paul, right?

77% of the country were on the side of Reagan and Ford and Carter in wanting that law passed.

Absent the filibuster, the congress would even today reflect the will of the voters, instead of the lobbyists.

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Originally Posted by Masterofreality

Leftist like in Louisville & Nashville- “It’s Guns!!” (With total ignoring of the ideology even when against kids)
Rightist does it-it’s his nutty ideology(oh with guns always thrown in)
By the way. The shooting in Las Vegas from a hotel room into a crowd of country music fans (read mostly MAGA supporters) has been driven out of the news with no investigation into that shooter’s motivations, but “Perhaps” as Paul would say, there was a angry leftist shooter there???

Look, I have no guns and want none. I wish all guns were destroyed, but that is unrealistic and dangerous. However, I understand the “protection” aspect people espouse-especially when they are in less than desirable neighborhoods when liberal city prosecutors refuse to lock up violent criminals.
I also don’t remember a recent gun crime perped by an NRA member. Please share if you have one.

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Man I’d love for you to share what ideology is out there that says killing kids and killing co-workers is the way to go. You sure do a lot of finger pointing with zero solutions. All you do on here is bitch about the other side constantly. You’re a strong representative of the problem.

Btw I have read several stories about the Vegas shooter in recent weeks. Motive is that he was pissed off at the casinos and went crazy and decided to start shooting people. I guess though you’d rather try to find something that isn’t there though to further whatever fucked up narrativr you’re trying to create.

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Originally Posted by STL_XUfan

Sure, because this wasn't a problem before Covid. The one constant in all of these incidents is easy legal access to weapons designed to carry out these mass shootings.

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One other constant is these people all have mental issues. Have their been any mass shooters where you can say the shooter has no mental issues at all?

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

I'm not sure I disagree with any of that....but other than maybe #1 and #3 I don't think that's "simple". I mean, changing a culture is pretty damned difficult. Particularly for middle-aged whities.

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Particularly for middle-ages whites? You don’t think there’s a cultural issue with all the gang banger shootings? How many of those people, many of whom are still kids, come from a culture where it’s just expected you’ll have a gun (not obtained legally btw). Where are their parents?


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Originally Posted by bjf123

Particularly for middle-ages whites?

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Yes, it's particularly difficult for middle aged white dudes (like I am and assume XVille is) to influence culture.

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Originally Posted by Xville

I think 2 is a simple solution as well to be honest. Money just needs to be diverted from pet projects of politicians that don’t accomplish anything. I’m sure there is plenty of that.

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I agree with Go on number 2 and the mental stuff being difficult. Yes I agree with you on funding and resources because this vastly underfunded. Where it becomes extremely difficult is with the compliance. I’m sure with you being in the medical field are well aware of these challenges.

As to your last point on pharma, yes they deserve some of the blame without a doubt. But it’s a whole medical community problem. Like you appropriately pointed out last week, time spent with physicians really sucks these days. So more often than not, the pill is normally prescribed by the doctor to keep things rolling. Hope the new resources you proposed would eliminate some of this.