We All Love Ed.....but

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Originally Posted by XUFan09

Actually, the reason that Mack didn't go to a big lineup last year is important, because it's central to his playstyle philosophy going forward. I mildly disagreed with your initial post, but then in a followup post you said the reason was a lack of depth. That implies that once he has frontcourt depth again, we'll see two traditional bigs out there again on a frequent basis, and that's simply wrong. Mack used to put out traditional frontcourts most of the time, but he's gone away from that recently, not out of necessity but out of a desire to change Xavier's playstyle. We'll continue to see that going forward, as he recruits players on "positionless basketball." I get that you might want a big lineup from time to time, but that's a different debate from what Mack is actually doing.

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I implied that Mack wants to run a full time big line up on a frequent basis? That's quite a lot of words to put into someone's mouth. I completely agree that Mack will stick with a small lineup long-term, but still think it's worth reconsidering at times.

I'll concede last year as I don't see any statistical evidence to support my theory. However, we are going to struggle against strong front courts again and again if we insist on playing O'Mara/Gaston/Jones the same way we played Reynolds/Farr. The Cincinnati games give us a strong example of how true that is. They scored 31 more points this year than last, and only hit 1 more 3PT shot, and only 4 of their 37 2pt shots were outside of the paint. I don't think the difference is that we lost Abell and Davis.

Could be that UC is just a lot better this year than they were last year.....probably heresy to say that here, but it's really the truth. Also, I think that Mack (and most coaches) are more concerned about creating problems for the opposition, then they are with trying to match up with the opposition. X wants to play to ITS strength, not to the oppositions.

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Originally Posted by XUGRAD80

Could be that UC is just a lot better this year than they were last year.....probably heresy to say that here, but it's really the truth. Also, I think that Mack (and most coaches) are more concerned about creating problems for the opposition, then they are with trying to match up with the opposition. X wants to play to ITS strength, not to the oppositions.

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Could be that UC was playing on their home court before 15,000 screaming fans too. Makes a difference.

Lol

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

Word.

We literally had people arguing Trevon wasnt good enough to play in the BE one year AFTER he was 1st team All BE!!! HAHAHAHA X fans are too good sometimes!

Cant wait for that beer.

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Started to but those air balls distracted me. Hope your opinions are spot on from here on out. Like I said in my post that got deleted, "I wish nothing but success for Trevon. I'm not the only poster that's concerned about his lack of speed and jumping ability when big athletic defenders from teams pick him up. I'm also not the only poster who doesn't think you are the basketball mind you think you are." I am being very polite now. Word.

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Originally Posted by XfansinKy

Started to but those air balls distracted me. Hope your opinions are spot on from here on out. Like I said in my post that got deleted, "I wish nothing but success for Trevon. I'm not the only poster that's concerned about his lack of speed and jumping ability when big athletic defenders from teams pick him up. I'm also not the only poster who doesn't think you are the basketball mind you think you are." I am being very polite now. Word.

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I'm the one trying to convince people I am some sort of great basketball mind? Ummmm, all I am doing is agreeing with 9 Big East basketball coaches (Mack cant vote for own guy) who voted Tre 1st team all BE last year (and will this year as well). You are the one who is arguing despite that Trevon is not good enough to play in a conference where he has already been named one of the best players. Yeah, great bball mind there. Hmmmmmm do I agree with the likes of Jay Wright, Wojo, Chris Mullin, Holtman, McDermott, Ed Cooley, or some guy in KY who goes to a lot of AAU games? Case closed.

Still can't wait for that beer!

I am just going to say my piece and leave it alone. Is Tre a good college basketball player and a good big east player? Yes absolutely. However, even to the untrained eye it's pretty easy to tell that he is not very athletic compared to a lot of 3s and 4s at the big east level. However, he gets away with it because of his shooting ability....if he was athletic, he would be a first round draft pick because he could play the 2 in the NBA, but he can't do he won't. Still a great college basketball player.

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Originally Posted by Xville

I am just going to say my piece and leave it alone. Is Tre a good college basketball player and a good big east player? Yes absolutely. However, even to the untrained eye it's pretty easy to tell that he is not very athletic compared to a lot of 3s and 4s at the big east level. However, he gets away with it because of his shooting ability....if he was athletic, he would be a first round draft pick because he could play the 2 in the NBA, but he can't do he won't. Still a great college basketball player.

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This is true. If I'm nitpicking, though, not being as athletic as other 3's in the conference isn't quite the same argument as "he's not athletic enough to play in the conference."

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Originally Posted by Xville

I am just going to say my piece and leave it alone. Is Tre a good college basketball player and a good big east player? Yes absolutely. However, even to the untrained eye it's pretty easy to tell that he is not very athletic compared to a lot of 3s and 4s at the big east level. However, he gets away with it because of his shooting ability....if he was athletic, he would be a first round draft pick because he could play the 2 in the NBA, but he can't do he won't. Still a great college basketball player.

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Which is all fine and good but a completely different discussion.

It was stated that Trevon wasnt athletic enough be successful in the BE and that he beat up on out of conference cupcakes and then did poorly in BE play and didnt show up in BE games. That poster then said if he hoped Trevon proved him wrong and if he did he'd buy a couple posters a beer.

Trevon's play has been great, he had already proved the poster's comments ridiculous based on being 1st team last year but he has done so again so far this year.

Anyway just beating a dead horse at this point.

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Originally Posted by Xville

I am just going to say my piece and leave it alone. Is Tre a good college basketball player and a good big east player? Yes absolutely. However, even to the untrained eye it's pretty easy to tell that he is not very athletic compared to a lot of 3s and 4s at the big east level. However, he gets away with it because of his shooting ability....if he was athletic, he would be a first round draft pick because he could play the 2 in the NBA, but he can't do he won't. Still a great college basketball player.

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Tre has a very quick release....I'm guessing he develop this b/c he simply HAD to in order to be the player he is today. Yes, good BE player, but there's a reason why he's s fringe pick to get drafted in June