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Originally Posted by paulxu

My statement:

Sometimes I just wonder about how far you all go to score points. Below is a link to their whole statement.
Here is a sentence from that statement.
"There is no greater success than for a wrongful detainee to be freed & for them to go home. The Biden Admin made the right decision to bring Ms. Griner home, & to make the deal that was possible, rather than waiting for one that wasn't going to happen.”

I think they are happy for the Griner family, and continually frustrated about Whelan.
They said the Biden administration made the right decision, and I characterized that as being "fine."
One might suspect if they didn't feel it was "fine", that they didn't need to make that statement.
Why you feel like that is gaslighting is beyond me.

https://twitter.com/carder613/status...809346/photo/1

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Uh, their relative’s fate is still in the hands of an incompetent administration who just gave up a convicted major terrorist for a celebrity basketball player who also happens to be gay and black to “Score Points”, as you put it, on the checklist. What the hell else are they going to say? As I said, they were “Diplomatic” but there is no way they are “fine” with it. An incredible miscasting of the plight of Whelan, who Biden, prior to Griener’s idiocy and hubris, could have made the same exchange for….but, uh, Whelan is a white man. No “scoring points” for that!!
Yeah, if I’m Whelans family I’d be as diplomatic as possible too so as not to incur the wrath of all the wokesters and lefty’s like you, as well as pissing off the very government in who Whelan’s fate depends.
The extent that you are lost in a blue haze is amazing.
Brittany Greiner was an idiot and full of herself to 1) Play in Russia in this current environment, 2) So hubris filled that she thought she could just violate her host countries’ laws without effect. And she got bailed out by a simpleton President who gave up a dangerous terrorist arms dealer back to his country that is waging an illegal war. And you stand there and act like it’s “fine”.
My Goodness, as you say.

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Originally Posted by Masterofreality

Uh, their relative’s fate is still in the hands of an incompetent administration who just gave up a convicted major terrorist for a celebrity basketball player who also happens to be gay and black to “Score Points”, as you put it, on the checklist. What the hell else are they going to say? As I said, they were “Diplomatic” but there is no way they are “fine” with it. An incredible miscasting of the plight of Whelan, who Biden, prior to Griener’s idiocy and hubris, could have made the same exchange for….but, uh, Whelan is a white man. No “scoring points” for that!!
Yeah, if I’m Whelans family I’d be as diplomatic as possible too so as not to incur the wrath of all the wokesters and lefty’s like you, as well as pissing off the very government in who Whelan’s fate depends.
The extent that you are lost in a blue haze is amazing.
Brittany Greiner was an idiot and full of herself to 1) Play in Russia in this current environment, 2) So hubris filled that she thought she could just violate her host countries’ laws without effect. And she got bailed out by a simpleton President who gave up a dangerous terrorist arms dealer back to his country that is waging an illegal war. And you stand there and act like it’s “fine”.
My Goodness, as you say.

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What makes you so sure Biden could have made the trade for Whelan instead??

A better question....If you think that's the case, then why didn't Trump make that trade to get Whelan out??

Bout had been in prison since 2008. Whelan since 2018. I think it's a HUGE (and incorrect) assumption to say that Russia gave them a choice between Griner and Whelan. It certainly doesn't appear that Russia had ever entertained the notion of releasing Whelan for Viktor Bout before Griner got arrested.

Meanwhile, this guy languishes too, another white man who had MEDICAL MJ.
Greiner was political points.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...russia-prison/

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Originally Posted by xubrew

What makes you so sure Biden could have made the trade for Whelan instead??

A better question....If you think that's the case, then why didn't Trump make that trade to get Whelan out??

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Whatsboutism at its best. This has zero to do with Trump, but I’m sure he had no intention of giving up a world class criminal/violent terrorist.

Biden just bent over and kowtowed to Putin. Weak knee.

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Originally Posted by Masterofreality

Whatsboutism at its best. This has zero to do with Trump, but I’m sure he had no intention of giving up a world class criminal/violent terrorist.

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MOR, it's a RHETORICAL question!!! The reason Trump didn't make the trade isn't because he chose not to. Trump didn't make the trade because it was never an option. If Trump was given that option, don't you think he would have done it?? I do! So if Russia didn't give Trump the option of trading Whelan for Bout, then what the hell makes you think they gave Biden that option??

You're essentially accusing Biden of picking Griner over Whelan. I'm saying that Biden was likely never given the choice. It was Griner or no one.

OR, do you think Trump DID have the option, and just decided not to??

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Originally Posted by xubrew

MOR, it's a RHETORICAL question!!! The reason Trump didn't make the trade isn't because he chose not to.
Trump was never gonna give Satan up. Trump “chose not to because he’d never give up Bout.
Trump didn't make the trade because it was never an option. Because Trump never let it be an option
If Trump was given that option, don't you think he would have done it??
NO. Bout is one of the biggest criminals/terrorist on the planet!

You're essentially accusing Biden of picking Griner over Whelan. I'm saying that Biden was likely never given the choice. It was Griner or no one.
Yeah. I am, and Biden kow towed to Putin for cheap Political points. He gave up the baddest man on the damn planet for a basketball player.
The swap should have never been made without all 3 imprisoned Americans.

OR, do you think Trump DID have the option, and just decided not to??

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Trump was NEVER gonna give Bout up. Do you realize how bad a guy he was and how hard US forces had to work to capture him??
From a 60 Minutes story Re Bout’s capture:

60 Minutes special detailing Operation Relentless, the team that captured Viktor Bout:
Bout is:
"Lord of War"
"Led Conspiracy to kill Americans"
"One of the most dangerous men on the face of the earth."
"Weaponized the Civil War in Africa"
“Arming designated terrorist groups”

Now he’s back to kill more innocents and create havoc….for a basketball player who means little, except to lefty wokesters.
Awful deal.

Check out this Bout resume detailed on here:

https://www.analyzingamerica.org/2022/12/676554/?fbclid=IwAR3tZF4nyUI9qi2lMks2XXm1gYLdcwmOuWQ_Niaf ta8mF1Uxm8N1kpaAl50&mibextid=Zxz2cZ

No expert recommended releasing this guy!!

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

And Paul Whelan is still not free.

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Should have been Paul Whalen to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Masterofreality

Trump was NEVER gonna give Bout up. Do you realize how bad a guy he was and how hard US forces had to work to capture him??
From a 60 Minutes story Re Bout’s capture:

60 Minutes special detailing Operation Relentless, the team that captured Viktor Bout:
Bout is:
"Lord of War"
"Led Conspiracy to kill Americans"
"One of the most dangerous men on the face of the earth."
"Weaponized the Civil War in Africa"

Now he’s back to kill more innocents and create havoc….for a basketball player who means little, except to lefty wokesters.
Awful deal.
"Arming designated terrorist groups"

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I actually know quite a bit about him. There are undoubtedly many people in African countries that aren't too happy about it either. Maybe he shouldn't have done anything. I just don't think he CHOSE Griner over Whelan. I don't he was told he could pick one or the other. It's kind of ridiculous to just assume that.

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Originally Posted by xubrew

I actually know quite a bit about him. There are undoubtedly many people in African countries that aren't too happy about it either. Maybe he shouldn't have done anything. I just don't think he CHOSE Griner over Whelan. I don't he was told he could pick one or the other. It's kind of ridiculous to just assume that.

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Should've kept Bout and offered something else if that was the case.

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Should've kept Bout and offered something else if that was the case.

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Correct. 100%.
But that wasn’t gonna happen because Biden is a slave (yeah I used the word) to the Woke Left. And now he has his prog street cred with all the most ridiculous groups.