Politics Thread

Three simple things:
Joe Biden said he would “Shut Down the Virus”. He has not done that and more people than under Trump are dead. Lie.
Joe Biden claimed he had a “7 point plan”. He did not and is now punting back to the states. Lie.
Joe Biden said that if you got Vaxxed “you wouldn’t get sick”. Lie. People got vaxxed and have and are getting Covid.
Fact: More people are dead from Covid under Biden than under Trump.
Don’t make claims if you can’t live up to them.
This is what happens when you start blaming everything that happens on a President. Your side made these rules, Blue people. Now your trying to change then to save Biden’s incompetent ass. Don’t be surprised when it boomerangs.

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Originally Posted by X-man

Totally. Logically, MOR is saying that Biden should have mandated vaccinations for everyone, to minimize the "blood". But of course that isn't what MOR is advocating. Logic and consistency is not part of his thought process.

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Mandating vaccinations hasn’t worked. See current surge in blue states as well as red. I haven’t advocated either way. I have been vaxxed & boosted as my CHOICE.
I don’t know what kind of “Pretzel Logic” you are trying to wedge in here. And I could care less.
If there is Blood on Trump’s hands, as all progressives accused last year, there is more on Biden’s.
See how simple this is?

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Originally Posted by Masterofreality

Mandating vaccinations hasn’t worked. See current surge in blue states as well as red. I haven’t advocated either way. I have been vaxxed & boosted as my CHOICE.
I don’t know what kind of “Pretzel Logic” you are trying to wedge in here. And I could care less.
If there is Blood on Trump’s hands, as all progressives accused last year, there is more on Biden’s.
See how simple this is?

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All progressives? Speaking and acting in absolutes is what got us in the mess of “hiring” two of the most incompetent presidents ever. Maybe the sides need to start working together..currently that seems like a real long shot but hopefully one day in the future there will be competent leadership at the top again.

You come on here and bitch about Biden on a weekly, sometimes daily basis, the same thing that Paul used to do with trump that annoyed you. Why do the same thing he did? Some kind of odd obsessive revenge?

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Originally Posted by paulxu

I'm lost with some of this discussion
You might be able to hold a president responsible for actions or inaction that cause harm.

Trump did a great job in pushing to get vaccines developed. I don't think he did a good job in managing the message coming from the WH, or pressuring agencies that should remain apolitical. It's only now he is urging vaccines...and getting booed by his supporters for doing so.

The fact that more people have died in 2021 than 2020, is a mathematical factor of virus spread, variants and refusals to get the vaccines.

The WSJ on it's front page notes how Biden is urging people to get the vaccines and making sure that they are available.
They're pushing to get more tests available to help people manage their activity if one is positive.
Most hospitalizations and deaths are now in the unvaccinated.
Yet we create a bizarre reality in holding the president responsible for ongoing deaths.
If he mandates vaccines, or airlines require them, or basketball arenas...we start shouting freedom, you can't make me get it, etc.
But...if people die who are not vaccinated by a factor of 5X...it's somehow the president's fault they died? Blood on his hands? He's incompetent?

Makes no sense.

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Ludicrous Paul. Trump didn’t “have” a vaccine at the start of 2020, He had to cause a DEVELOPMENT of it, which Biden has fully had. STILL, more people died under Biden than Trump- in less time. Stop blaming the “unvaxxed”.

Kamala Harris said she would not trust a vaccine developed under Trump. Biden was skeptical of it. People of Color have some of the lowest rates of vaccination. Who undermined it?

If Biden wasn’t such a partisan, in the country’s best interest, he would have come out immediately and gotten a public service message in combo with Trump to help convince people to get vaxxed. Rather, he demonized and minimized previous efforts and, instead, talked about a 7 point plan which was, apparently, non existent.

By the way. Nice that Biden trashed a plan two months ago that would have supplied millions of self tests and other helpful things. In fact in mid December, in response to an exact question as to the tests Psaki scoffed at the reporter. Now they are scrambling to supply. That’s Incompetence.

THAT makes no sense.

By the way. With the CURRENT waffling going on over quarantine time among many other things, don’t try to claim that the CDC isn’t “politicized” under Biden.

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Originally Posted by Xville

All progressives? Speaking and acting in absolutes is what got us in the mess of “hiring” two of the most incompetent presidents ever. Maybe the sides need to start working together..currently that seems like a real long shot but hopefully one day in the future there will be competent leadership at the top again.

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Yeah. ALL. That was pretty absolute. But, as I advocated above. Rather than totally demonizing the previous administration, maybe a cooperative effort towards moving people towards vax and therapeutics may have helped. But that didn’t happen, because of “absolutes”.

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Originally Posted by Masterofreality

Yeah. ALL. That was pretty absolute. But, as I advocated above. Rather than totally demonizing the previous administration, maybe a cooperative effort towards moving people towards vax and therapeutics may have helped. But that didn’t happen, because of “absolutes”.

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Not really, but good to know where your head is at. You come on here weekly sometimes daily and bitch about Biden the same way that Paul did with trump that annoyed the crap out of you. Why? Some kind of odd obsessive revenge?

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Originally Posted by Xville

Not really, but good to know where your head is at. You come on here weekly sometimes daily and bitch about Biden the same way that Paul did with trump that annoyed the crap out of you. Why? Some kind of odd obsessive revenge?

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Yeah really. Name me a progressive who did not?
Why? Because I’m concerned about the truly declining welfare of the country.
You know, Inflation, health, supply chain, lousy education, teachers unions closing schools, teens and youngsters mental health, screwing up military actions, rising and pervasive crime. All screwed up. Minor things like that.

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Originally Posted by Masterofreality

Yeah really. Name me a progressive who did not?
Why? Because I’m concerned about the truly declining welfare of the country.
You know, Inflation, health, supply chain, lousy education, teachers unions closing schools, teens and youngsters mental health, screwing up military actions, rising and pervasive crime. All screwed up. Minor things like that.

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Most of those things were problems way before Biden became President.

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Originally Posted by Xville

Most of those things were problems way before Biden became President.

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Take off your blue glasses. But nice of you to admit that teachers unions and public education in Democrat run cities for decades has been a long term problem.
Talk about blindness. Your guy has been in office a year. He’s exacerbated problems. Verified.

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Originally Posted by Masterofreality

Take off your blue glasses.
Talk about blindness. Your guy has been in office a year. He’s exacerbated problems. Verified.

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I’m not “blue” I’m a registered independent and didn’t vote for Biden. Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn’t mean they are a liberal. You become more and more like lou everyday. .I think for myself, thanks.

Inflation—-trump signed into law several acts and two direct stimulus payments. He printed
Money just like Biden did.
Health—-this has been a nightmare for decades. Come on
Supply chain—lots of hands in this one both in public and private sectors.
Teachers unions—yeah they have been a problem for decades and shut schools down while trump was in office too.
Education—we have been falling behind for decades.
Military—yeah I’ll give you this one. Biden has fucked up a lot
Rising and pervasive crime—yeah again been a problem for decades