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Originally Posted by boozehound

I'm sorry, but I think that is wildly intellectually dishonest to the point that I wonder if you are being intentionally obtuse. What's your threshold of criminality before you stop sympathizing with someone being killed? Unpaid parking tickets? Driving without a license? Underage consumption? Those people are all 'criminals', right?

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Those are a bit different than aggravated robbery, waving an unregistered gun around, and a warrant out for your arrest because of the first time you fled police.

In no way am I saying this kid should have been killed in this instance, there is just some here that sympathize a lot more with him than with the cop who made a horrible mistake but trying to do the right thing—her job

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Originally Posted by Xville

Those are a bit different than aggravated robbery, waving an unregistered gun around, and a warrant out for your arrest because of the first time you fled police.

In no way am I saying this kid should have been killed in this instance, there is just some here that sympathize a lot more with him than with the cop who made a horrible mistake but trying to do the right thing—her job

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Write it out, she failed to do her job properly and made the ultimate mistake and likely pulled her gun from it's correct spot and not the taser from the opposite side of her belt (if she followed policy) and killed the suspect in a situation that did not call for lethal force. When you actually look at it, it looks a lot worse to me than just a mistake.

Meherle got two years for similar facts in the San Francisco shooting.

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Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad

Write it out, she failed to do her job properly and made the ultimate mistake and likely pulled her gun from it's correct spot and not the taser from the opposite side of her belt (if she followed policy) and killed the suspect in a situation that did not call for lethal force. When you actually look at it, it looks a lot worse to me than just a mistake.

Meherle got two years for similar facts in the San Francisco shooting.

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You add the word “just” to try to make your point. It WAS a mistake. It was a terrible mistake, but it was clearly a mistake. Why you add “just”, I’m not sure. I don’t think anybody was saying it isn’t a terrible tragedy.


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Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad

Write it out, she failed to do her job properly and made the ultimate mistake and likely pulled her gun from it's correct spot and not the taser from the opposite side of her belt (if she followed policy) and killed the suspect in a situation that did not call for lethal force. When you actually look at it, it looks a lot worse to me than just a mistake.

Meherle got two years for similar facts in the San Francisco shooting.

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What’s your point..that actions even mistakes have consequences? I already said that. Unless of course you don’t think it was a mistake, which means you just have insanely blue tinted glasses on and refuse to think logically.

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Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad

Write it out, she failed to do her job properly and made the ultimate mistake and likely pulled her gun from it's correct spot and not the taser from the opposite side of her belt (if she followed policy) and killed the suspect in a situation that did not call for lethal force. When you actually look at it, it looks a lot worse to me than just a mistake.

Meherle got two years for similar facts in the San Francisco shooting.

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I think it was pretty clearly a mistake. A major mistake with major consequences, but a mistake. I watched the video and it seems pretty clear that she thought she was tasing him. There was some kind of a struggle while he attempted to get back into the car at which point the officer attempted to taser him, and shot him instead.

It's a really unfortunate situation. I certainly feel much worse for the dead person and their family, but the officer is probably going to pay a hefty price for her mistake, even if she avoids jail time (and as you state, there is precedent for jail time in similar situations). I've never been in a situation like that, so it's hard for me to say how easy/difficult it would be to grab the wrong weapon.

I am the opposite of blue tinted vision. I want police accountability and it has to be in the public eye. She will have to answer why she drew her weapon from the one side of her belt but thought it was a taser from the other. This needs to be put in front of court.

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Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad

I am the opposite of blue tinted vision. I want police accountability and it has to be in the public eye. She will have to answer why she drew her weapon from the one side of her belt but thought it was a taser from the other. This needs to be put in front of court.

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Ummmm, will “I effed up!” be a surprise? Because that’s what happened. She panicked in the struggle, and she messed up. That was clear to me, and I assume any rational person. I hope you and I never have to make a quick decision like that.

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I didn’t say it gives the right to use force but if there is a warrant for your arrest and you run you take the outcome out of your hands.

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I actually think if he had just run, he'd still be alive. To me, going back into a car, where the police don't know if you have a weapon, escalates the situation much more.

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Originally Posted by XU '11

I actually think if he had just run, he'd still be alive. To me, going back into a car, where the police don't know if you have a weapon, escalates the situation much more.

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True, especially if the warrant involves an armed offense.

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Originally Posted by Masterofreality

We went to Wisconsin for a Granddaughter Birthday last week. Just for the helluva it I had a few free minutes and drove through Kenosha. What a horriffic, dystopian and depressing sight. All along Sheridan Rd., the main drag through the city and downtown, businesses, restaurants, The County Courthouse and even Churches like the Methodist Church right in town are boarded up and barely functioning. The Capitol riot was awful, stupid, ridiculous and uncalled for- as is all violence. But the fact that those from the "other side of the fence" decided to trash an entire in town city area over an admitted criminal being brought to justice, while the ones who were the loudest condemning Trump and the right, stood jaw locked silent-and even had funds to bail those anarchists out-is two faced, craven, disingenuous and cannot be forgotten. The businesses that were damaged or destroyed forever, many were owned by minority businesspeople who were just trying to serve the community and make a living. How do their lives matter?
The scoreboard is not equal:
"Right Riots": The Capitol. No businesses destroyed.
"Left Riots:": Minneapolis- Tons of businesses Damaged or wiped out.
Portland " "
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Chicago " "
Atlanta " "
Philadelphia " "
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The only "possible" justifiable unrest was in Minneapolis over Floyd- caused by one isolated lousy cop who was an idiot and should have been kicked off the force years ago. Every other one was over Police doing their jobs fighting crime and caused by Antifa and Leftist Anarchists. How do you think the dedicated Black Police Officers and Police Chiefs feel about this absurdity? None of those Anarchist jerks would have been celebrated by Dr. King. Remember how we are supposed to judge folks on the "Content of Their Character"? I don't think Jacob Blake would be judged well by Dr. King. But there's ABC News stoking division by having him interviewed by Michael Strahan this week, when the nation, I think, is trying to heal. Imagine a Woman Abuser, a kidnapper and a felon with a weapon resisting arrest and attacking Police being propped on National TV. Welp. Here we are in Biden's America.
Get ready for 4 years of a Disinformation Reset.

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Kenosha police officer who shot Jacob Blake returns to duty after no charges filed.