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Originally Posted by boozehound

Exactly. The sliding scale based on age is an interesting idea, but carries a potential unintended consequence of incenting business to hire high school and college kids at the expense of older workers, so that would need to be accounted for.

It's all well and good for Bernie Sanders to say "McDonalds makes $1B per year but pays workers an average of $8/hr", but there are a ton of small businesses that aren't particularly lucrative and can't necessarily stomach a doubling of minimum wage.

All this goes to further highlight that this is a complex issue that shouldn't be buried in a budget bill and pushed through via reconciliation.

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Depends how old, as the scale would need to slide both ways. You think the 70 yr old starter at the golf course, or most of the staff at Culvers, is working there for a living wage.. Those folks are retired and working for some camaraderie, get out of the house a few hours a week, pocket money, etc.

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Garrett

I don't think legislators in favor of this are thinking about the impact to small businesses.

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I can guarantee it. When they talk about a $15 minimum wage, they’re only thinking about Walmart, McDonalds, etc. as the big bad greedy businesses making millions and abusing their workers. They have no idea how this will crush businesses whose annual revenue is not even a million dollars. They can’t afford an almost doubling of what is likely one of their highest operating costs. Even if you phase it in over 3-5 years, can they all raise prices enough to cover this? Probably not.


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Originally Posted by Mrs. Garrett

I don't think legislators in favor of this are thinking about the impact to small businesses.

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Good way to put it. Think you’re being a little bit more generous than me though because I don’t think they truly care. Now they are thinking about the additional revenue resources to those programs BJ mentioned.

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Garrett

Guess I'm old school as I always though of minimum wage jobs as something you did when you were younger for spending money with the goal of progressing to a living wage as you got older.

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I worked with two sisters from San Diego a while back. They told me that they had never seen high school kids working in fast food restaurants until they moved to Cincinnati. They thought it was very odd to see kids serving and taking orders from people. Said in San Diego/California only adults work in fast food and will take whatever job they can get to raise a family. I always wondered were the kids get jobs.

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Originally Posted by noteggs

Good way to put it. Think you’re being a little bit more generous than me though because I don’t think they truly care. Now they are thinking about the additional revenue resources to those programs BJ mentioned.

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It’s moot anyway as wages are not the jurisdiction of the Federal Government. It’s up to the States at best.

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Originally Posted by paulxu

There is a large rally going on now in DC, and the president is going to speak to them. Rather than help a good transition, he continues to spew false narratives after 60+ courts have thrown out the bogus challenges. He is making us look like a tinpot dictatorship that doesn't respect its own rules. I suspect they'll march to the Capital and try to disrupt the proceedings. Hopefully he won't encourage violence since the crowd doesn't seem to be grounded in the reality of our election results.

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That was from 10:41 on the morning of the 6th.
I suppose now the question is will he be held accountable. I suspect that hope is also faint.

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Originally Posted by paulxu

That was from 10:41 on the morning of the 6th.
I suppose now the question is will he be held accountable. I suspect that hope is also faint.

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Nikki Haley's comments are encouraging, but also very late. It's hard to believe that she (and others) didn't have an idea of where this was headed until lunatics actually stormed the Capitol. At least she is coming out and actually saying 'we were wrong for following him', though.

The only way he gets convicted is if Mitch signals he will vote to convict. I would assign less than 10% odds to that, although at least he isn't already suggesting that he is unwilling to consider a conviction. I really do think it may be in their best interests to convict Trump and banish him.

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Originally Posted by paulxu

That was from 10:41 on the morning of the 6th.
I suppose now the question is will he be held accountable. I suspect that hope is also faint.

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I’m over here wondering if all the people in the media and politicians that compared that administration to hitler and nazi Germany are going to be cancelled like Gina carano.

Inciting a riot is a stretch whether you trump haters believe it or not. Others have said basically the exact same crap..Kamala anyone? It isn’t trump’s fault that crazy people like horn dude who is a professional protestor and rioter showed up. Personal responsibility.

With all that said, trump is a egotistical lunatic who I do hope never touches the Republican Party again.

Trumps/Q vs. the Lincoln Project pedos. Tough call for Republicans going forward.

Yes I would argue Kamala said much worse. It’s just time to move on from all of this. Can liberals do that?