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Originally Posted by boozehound

That's a fair point. I guess the answer to that would involve him being tried criminally for some type of treason/sedition related charge, which may be preferable. I'd be fine with that. I certainly agree with the people who think that there should be serious consequences for this.

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I'd be fine with the latter as well. I ultimately think that for the long term health and healing and unity of the country, the person/people who created so much disunity, largely based on a totally bogus premise, need to face serious consequences. If you lie to people, and they believe the lie, and get pissed off and threaten to kidnap and murder people because of the lie...THAT'S A PROBLEM!!! He lost the election. It wasn't stolen from him.

And while we're at it, there is no giant laser in outer space that the Jews are controlling to start wildfires in California either. HOLY SHIT HOW ARE PEOPLE SO FUCKING STUPID!!?? Nearly every person who believes that thinks that climate change is a hoax. Big giant Jewish laser is plausible, but climate change is not. GOOD GRIEF!!!!

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Originally Posted by XU '11

If his Tweets and speeches amount to 'staging a coup' then half of the politicians in DC should also be impeached.

If there is evidence that there was coordination by people in the government to assist a violent insurrection that overtook the Capitol, the punishment shouldn't be impeachment, it should be treason. I'm ok with investigating that even though I don't think anybody legitimate (not AOC) accused anybody of that. Is using the word 'fight' in a political context ("fight for the future of our country") staging a coup? Is encouraging protest staging a coup? Is doing those things based on an untrue premise staging a coup? I think all of those answers are no. If there is evidence that the Trump administration supported insurrectionists breaking into the Capitol to physically prevent the votes for certification, it's treason. Trump should be thrown in prison. But there's no evidence of that.

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I think what many, myself included, struggle with is the fact that we had a sitting President spend two months calling his election loss fraudulent and repeatedly seeking to have it overturned by various methods, most of which were not legal. All the while presenting no evidence that was deemed admissible in a court of law that the election was actually, even possibly, 'stolen'. That culminated in him, for some reason, holding a rally while Congress was certifying the election results. That rally resulted in people storming the Capitol, shortly after the President gave yet another speech about how the election was 'stolen'.

If there are no consequences for doing that, what's to stop future Presidents from trying the same thing? What happens when one is successful? The opportunity existed to impeach him and bar him from holding future office. It seem's that's a bridge too far. He could potentially be tried criminally, but that would almost certainly be a years-long National nightmare and embarrassment. Maybe he will end up being sued in Civil Court by the families of the deceased?

To the people who say that it's over, and we should move on to the business of unifying, now it appears that he is still communicating with people in government (House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy for one) about how he can continue to get revenge on his political foes, so it's not like he has gone away.

I'm not really sure what the answer is, but no consequences for Trump doesn't seem like it would set a great precedent.

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Originally Posted by xubrew

I'd be fine with the latter as well. I ultimately think that for the long term health and healing and unity of the country, the person/people who created so much disunity, largely based on a totally bogus premise, need to face serious consequences. If you lie to people, and they believe the lie, and get pissed off and threaten to kidnap and murder people because of the lie...THAT'S A PROBLEM!!! He lost the election. It wasn't stolen from him.

And while we're at it, there is no giant laser in outer space that the Jews are controlling to start wildfires in California either. HOLY SHIT HOW ARE PEOPLE SO FUCKING STUPID!!?? Nearly every person who believes that thinks that climate change is a hoax. Big giant Jewish laser is plausible, but climate change is not. GOOD GRIEF!!!!

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I mean, you'd like to think that we can all unify around the fact that his actions were horrifying and that in hindsight he is a disaster of a human being, the likes of which we should endeavor to never elect to high office again. Instead half the country STILL thinks that the election was stolen despite a complete lack of evidence.

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Originally Posted by xubrew

And while we're at it, there is no giant laser in outer space that the Jews are controlling to start wildfires in California either. HOLY SHIT HOW ARE PEOPLE SO FUCKING STUPID!!?? Nearly every person who believes that thinks that climate change is a hoax. Big giant Jewish laser is plausible, but climate change is not. GOOD GRIEF!!!!

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Mel Brooks already covered this. Still think it's not real???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAZhtT-dUyo

Tommy Tubberville seriously needs to have his house checked for lead. WHAT AN IDIOT!!!

https://www.businessinsider.com/tomm...weather-2021-2

He thinks the 3 branches of govt are the House, Senate and Executive,

Maybe he was injured by the space laser.

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Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee

He thinks the 3 branches of govt are the House, Senate and Executive,

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Didn’t AOC say the same thing a few years ago?


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Originally Posted by xubrew

Tommy Tubberville seriously needs to have his house checked for lead. WHAT AN IDIOT!!!

https://www.businessinsider.com/tomm...weather-2021-2

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This is a Senator, too. Not a member of the House. Senator. He won a statewide election. That state was Alabama, but still.

You do have to respect the staunch refusal of a lot of these crackpots shut the fuck up, even for a a couple of days/weeks. Usually when you stage a coup and it fails, you lay low for a while. Not these guys...

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Originally Posted by bjf123

Didn’t AOC say the same thing a few years ago?


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If she did, I missed it. I get thinking that AOC is crazy. But...Tommy Tuberville is just plain stupid. It's as if he was repeatedly dropped on his head as a child. The guy did finish in the top 15 multiple times as a football coach, and you would assume that requires some level of intelligence, but....maybe not!!