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01-23-2021, 01:54 PM
paulxu

The Trump presidency began with a stupid lie: his inauguration crowd was larger, making his press secretary repeat it the first day despite photographic evidence to the contrary.
It proceeded through 25,000 documented lies, tearing apart the fabric of our country that needs truth and facts.
It ended with the biggest lie of all...that the election had been stolen; despite 60 court cases, countless re-counts, and his own justice department saying it was a free and fair election
In last ditch efforts he tried to get the DOJ and the GA Secretary of State to stop the Georgia certification, supported lawsuits in other venues, and the Supreme Court refused his pleas.
Desperate to hold on to power, he asked his Vice President to change the election as certified electoral votes were counted.
When Pence refused, he supported groups to organize a rally where he and other deluded supporters urged a march to the Capitol to stop the steal.
The presidential historian Michael Beschloss summed it up the best:

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“This is the only president in American history who incited an insurrection against Congress that could have resulted in assassinations and hostage-taking and, conceivably, the cancellation of a free presidential election and the fracturing of a democracy,” Michael Beschloss, the presidential historian, told me. “That’s a fact, and it won’t change in 50 years. It’s very hard to think of a scenario under which someone might imagine some wonderful thing that Donald Trump did that will outshine that. He did, literally, the worst thing that an American president could ever do.”

No matter what comes next, the country will be better off than it could have been if he had been re-elected.
Now we'll see if the honest Republicans in the Senate can assure us of him not returning to cause more damage.
The people who were conned by him will heal over time.
01-23-2021, 03:58 PM
bobbiemcgee

https://time.com/magazine/
01-23-2021, 03:59 PM
Masterofreality

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Originally Posted by paulxu

It sounds like there are at least some good reasons for their efforts...trying to remove damaging stories from decades ago when people have turned their lives around.

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/...to-google.html

Cleveland dot com is the Plain Dealer's on line nom de plume. Of course they would parrot their Parent. Insidious Censorship to silence and suppress stories. But Leftist Paul, of course sees something else.
01-23-2021, 04:05 PM
Masterofreality

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Originally Posted by paulxu

The Trump presidency began with a stupid lie: his inauguration crowd was larger, making his press secretary repeat it the first day despite photographic evidence to the contrary.
It proceeded through 25,000 documented lies, tearing apart the fabric of our country that needs truth and facts.
It ended with the biggest lie of all...that the election had been stolen; despite 60 court cases, countless re-counts, and his own justice department saying it was a free and fair election
In last ditch efforts he tried to get the DOJ and the GA Secretary of State to stop the Georgia certification, supported lawsuits in other venues, and the Supreme Court refused his pleas.
Desperate to hold on to power, he asked his Vice President to change the election as certified electoral votes were counted.
When Pence refused, he supported groups to organize a rally where he and other deluded supporters urged a march to the Capitol to stop the steal.
The presidential historian Michael Beschloss summed it up the best:

No matter what comes next, the country will be better off than it could have been if he had been re-elected.
Now we'll see if the honest Republicans in the Senate can assure us of him not returning to cause more damage.
The people who were conned by him will heal over time.

One Trick Paul returns. Time to retire, Paul...to the couch, for a nap, like your hero Sleepy Joe. Trump is gone, yet "He Persisted".
And Biden has already lied four times in his first day.
By the way. Constitutionally, you cannot Impeach a Private Citizen which is what Trump became at 1:00pm on January 20. That is why Chief Justice John Roberts refuses to make himself a part of this sham. This is performance art. By the way. There was no "incitement". Read the text of his speech. And read reports of how "various edge groups" planned on disrupting DC for days before the rally ever started. Wow, sounds a lot like people storming the Capitol when Bret Kavanaugh was being considered. #Preplanned
01-23-2021, 04:09 PM
Masterofreality

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Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee

https://time.com/magazine/

And he's already failed. Just couldn't stop with the Race Card, trying to resurrect division with Critical Race theory, talking about Vaccine "equity" not "equality" and favoring his favorite allegedly "oppressed" groups. Way to promote unity!!
01-23-2021, 04:34 PM
STL_XUfan

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Originally Posted by Masterofreality

Constitutionally, you cannot Impeach a Private Citizen which is what Trump became at 1:00pm on January 20. That is why Chief Justice John Roberts refuses to make himself a part of this sham. This is performance art. By the way.

Wherever you are getting your legal advice on impeachment, you should find a better source.

You are correct that you cannot impeach a private citizen, but the issue is that he was already impeached while he was still president.

Second the constitution provides that the impeachment trial of a sitting president will be presided over by the Chief Justice. Trump is no longer the sitting president so CJ Roberts is not required to preside over the trial.

Source Art. I Sec. 3.: “The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.”
01-23-2021, 04:36 PM
Strange Brew

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Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee

I'm sure Melania would disagree.

You have problems..
01-23-2021, 04:39 PM
Strange Brew

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Originally Posted by STL_XUfan

Wherever you are getting your legal advice on impeachment, you should find a better source.

You are correct that you cannot impeach a private citizen, but the issue is that he was already impeached while he was still president.

Second the constitution provides that the impeachment trial of a sitting president will be presided over by the Chief Justice. Trump is no longer the sitting president so CJ Roberts is not required to preside over the trial.

Source Art. I Sec. 3.: “The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.”

He was impeached. Two time champ! Holla!

He can’t be tried by the Senate. It is theatre like most of the left except, you know the riots. Still happening btw.
01-23-2021, 04:46 PM
STL_XUfan

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

He was impeached. Two time champ! Holla!

He can’t be tried by the Senate. It is theatre like most of the left except, you know the riots. Still happening btw.

He can be tried by the Senate. Senate has the right to bar him from holding any further office.
01-23-2021, 05:04 PM
paulxu

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Originally Posted by Masterofreality

Cleveland dot com is the Plain Dealer's on line nom de plume. Of course they would parrot their Parent. Insidious Censorship to silence and suppress stories. But Leftist Paul, of course sees something else.

I'm guessing you never read that article, or actually know what they are doing.
They are talking about retiring decades old news about people who have reformed their lives. Not censorship of someone saying something.
Read the article.