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CleXU
03-18-2009, 10:32 PM
This article also talks about another person who attracted some dislike from this message board... namely Eric Devendorf. Thought I'd post the article cause a little Dayton hate is always fun.

http://www.slate.com/id/2213975/pagenum/all/#p2

Here's the part about dayton

University of Dayton
In sports, the saying goes, the breaks even out. Unlike most athletic clichés, this one turns out to be kind of true. College hoops genius Ken Pomeroy tracks a statistic called "luck"—to oversimplify things, a team is considered "lucky" (subscription required) if it pulls out an unexpectedly high number of close victories, whereas a squad is "unlucky" if it absorbs a lot of close defeats. In college basketball, luck doesn't last: Last year's six most-fortunate teams have all regressed substantially in 2009. Conversely, three of Pomeroy's four unluckiest teams in 2008 were Illinois, Utah, and Missouri. All three missed out on March Madness last season, and all three earned surprisingly good seeds to this year's tourney.

This year's luckiest—in other words, least deserving—at-large NCAA Tournament team is the University of Dayton. Of the Flyers' 26 victories, 12 came by an average of 3.25 points, including five decided by 1 or 2 points. By contrast, Dayton earned its seven defeats, losing by an average of 11.7 points. If those fluky Ohioans didn't get a tournament bid on merit, then somebody must've been jobbed. It wasn't St. Mary's or Penn State or Creighton or San Diego State—each of those teams had above-average luck, too. Of all the legitimate at-large candidates, Florida (luck ranking: 324 of 344) got most screwed over by the fates. Gators fans should find some solace in the fact that next year can't possibly be as bad. The reverse is true for Dayton: Savor that first-round loss to West Virginia, Flyers. Next year's going to be a lot worse.

kyxu
03-18-2009, 10:46 PM
Wow. I'm no Dayton fan, but winning a lot of close games is kind of a lame reason to deem a team undeserving or even the object of disdain.

CleXU
03-18-2009, 10:49 PM
Ya I don't really agree with what he says to much but just enjoyed reading a little UD hate.

Jumpy
03-19-2009, 09:37 AM
Pretty funny article made even better by the mention of Dayton as the luckiest team in college basketball as per Pomeroy's rankings.

http://www.slate.com/id/2213975/pagenum/all/#p2

danaandvictory
03-19-2009, 10:42 AM
Wow. I'm no Dayton fan, but winning a lot of close games is kind of a lame reason to deem a team undeserving or even the object of disdain.

The only thing that makes UD's penchant for close wins deserving of scorn is that so many came against garbage opposition. With that said, they've come through in the clutch this year more often than not, which ought to be grudgingly admired rather than denigrated.

DC Muskie
03-19-2009, 11:31 AM
This is what I hate about this week. There are like 4 million articles related to the tournament.

While I hate Dayton, the entire concept of this article is really stupid. It's sorta like when Coaches like Knight and Thompson talk about how games in November don't matter. Why in the world do people dissect games so much? It's simple, when there was a game, Dayton wearing ugly black uniforms got clobbered by Xavier.

There were other times when Dayton fought out a victory. It still counts. Whether it was luck, six men on the court, other team having injuries or the flu, taller coach, cuter cheerleaders, better announcers, nicer living area, complete television and radio deal, or whatever. Dayton won despite many, many things going against them. They should be appluaded. Someone write that article. That would make more sense.

MADXSTER
03-19-2009, 11:45 AM
If everything was apples to apples and this was a Big Least team they would talk them up as having the fortitude to win close games.

Pablo's Brother
03-19-2009, 11:59 AM
UD just gave Gregory a contract extension today. This is, of course, guarantees a loss against Huggy.

kyxu
03-19-2009, 04:23 PM
The only thing that makes UD's penchant for close wins deserving of scorn is that so many came against garbage opposition. With that said, they've come through in the clutch this year more often than not, which ought to be grudgingly admired rather than denigrated.

Sure, but in two of UD's games against the top 25 (Marquette and Xavier), they won decisively.


UD just gave Gregory a contract extension today. This is, of course, guarantees a loss against Huggy.

Very possible. I'm sure Gregory just wants to concentrate on winning UD's first tourney game in 19 years and doesn't really need this distraction. Contract extensions can wait until the day after they lose. I seriously doubt the big job Gregory wants is going to come this off-season.

Stonebreaker
03-19-2009, 04:29 PM
I didn't realize people got credible info from Slate.

vee4xu
03-19-2009, 10:35 PM
I read that Gregory had "an oral agreement" with the AD. Heck, if that's true, the midget didn't even have to drop to his knees to polish the AD's knob.