The Official XH Coaching Carousel Thread

[Muskie]

Let's keep all the coaching talk for all of the jobs that open up in this thread. All other coaching threads will be closed and directed to this one. Thanks for everyone's cooperation.

Alabama: Anthony Grant (HC Virginia Commonwealth)
Appalachian State:
Arizona: $$$
Boston University:
Cal-Poly:
Elon: Matt Matheny (Davidson Asst.)
Florida International: Isiah Thomas (Out of Work)
Georgia: Mark Fox (HC Nevada)
High Point: Scott Cherry (South Carolina Asst.)
Kentucky: John Calipari (HC Memphis)
Memphis: Josh Pastner (Memphis Asst.)
North Florida:
North Carolina-Central: LeVelle Moton
Nevada: David Carter (Nevada Asst.)
Portland St.:
Southeast Missouri St.: Dickey Nutt (former ARK ST HC)
Tennessee State: John Cooper (Auburn Asst.)
Texas - Pan American:
Virginia: Tony Bennett (HC Washington St).
Virginia Commonwealth: Shaka Smart (Florida Asst.)
Washington St.: Ken Bone (HC Portland St.)
Xavier:

[xeus]

Brain Gregory to App State? Anyone else heard this?

[Muskie]

Brain Gregory to App State? Anyone else heard this?

I actually read that Brian Gregory would be a candidate at Missouri if Mike Anderson left.

[STL_XUfan]

i actually read that brian gregory would be a candidate at missouri if mike anderson left.


noooooooooooooooo

[MADXSTER]

Coaching Changes

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http://news.collegesportsinfo.com/20...-coaching.html

Here's a good place to keep up with the happenings.

Sean Miller is mentioned with

Alabama
Arizona
Virginia

Chris Mack is mentioned with Elon


Others of note

Bob Staak - High Point
Richard Pitino - Boston University
Jeff Battle - Elon
Dino Gaudio - Georgia

[joe titan]

BG heads to DePaul after Wainwright is shown the door

[XU 87]

Brain Gregory to App State? Anyone else heard this?

Ever since Gregory stole Steven Thomas from High Point, High Point has had their eye on Gregory. So don't be surpised if Gregory ends up there.

[XU05and07]

Pitino was approached by 2 UK boosters...they asked him to name his price to come back

worth watching

[Muskie]

Bob Staak is allegedly a candidate at High Point.

[joe titan]

OP wants the UVA job

[XU 87]

Bob Staak is allegedly a candidate at High Point.

I saw that. In all due respect to the job he did at X, I'm not sure why any college would have any interest in him at this point.

I once heard that he wanted the X job after Skip left.

[bobbiemcgee]

Coaching Changes

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http://news.collegesportsinfo.com/20...-coaching.html

Here's a good place to keep up with the happenings.

Sean Miller is mentioned with

Alabama
Arizona
Virginia

Chris Mack is mentioned with Elon


Others of note

Bob Staak - High Point
Richard Pitino - Boston University
Jeff Battle - Elon
Dino Gaudio - Georgia

Hey, I mentioned Sean and Virginia and Waggy banned me. You must have clout here.

[MADXSTER]

Hey, I mentioned Sean and Virginia and Waggy banned me. You must have clout here.

Well, I did ho my sister out to Waggy for a couple of Xavier basketball tickets once.

[coasterville95]

It's not worth much but a couple UC fans were yanking my chain (I hope) with scenarios why Sean would be at Pitt next year. I guess they want to get rid of their own coach so bad they can't stand anybody else being happy.

At least they were smart enough to say that Pitt is the only job he would leave for.

For what it's worth they were claiming Dixon is a front runner for the California job

I laughed in their faces when they suggested we would get Cronin. Sorry even if the job was open he is not qualified.

[XU 87]

I wonder if Gregory is holding out for the job at Jacksonville (the college not the NFL team). I've heard that he's had great recruiting success in that area.

[Muskie]

It's not worth much but a couple UC fans were yanking my chain (I hope) with scenarios why Sean would be at Pitt next year. I guess they want to get rid of their own coach so bad they can't stand anybody else being happy.

At least they were smart enough to say that Pitt is the only job he would leave for.

For what it's worth they were claiming Dixon is a front runner for the California job

I laughed in their faces when they suggested we would get Cronin. Sorry even if the job was open he is not qualified.

I don't necessarily believe that Sean wants to coach at Pitt.

[XU 87]

I don't necessarily believe that Sean wants to coach at Pitt.

I've read that as well.

[GuyFawkes38]

I don't necessarily believe that Sean wants to coach at Pitt.

He doesn't (I have a source close to both parties who says so).

[XURunner85]

I could see Gregory going to DePaul if it opens....I did not know this until recently but he grew up in my hometown of Chicago (well actually I think he was in the suburbs). So I could see the attraction, but then again Wainright was from Chicago, was a HS coach in the suburbs when I was in HS before coming to X as an Assistant, and look how it has worked out for him...so far...

[joe titan]

BG was a serious candidate for DePaul when Wainwright was hired; notwithstanding the affection on this Boatd for Dayton, BG's record of recent post-season appearances surpasses their current coach.

P.S.: BG may be taking Payne with him to Chicago.

[waggy]

Well, I did ho my sister out to Waggy for a couple of Xavier basketball tickets once.

Just for the record I want everyone to know this is not true, yet.

[wkrq59]

BG heads to DePaul after Wainwright is shown the door
The AD at DePaul said he expects Jerry W. to fulfifll the remaining six years on his contract. He also said that the curent economy almost mandates that action, or inaction if you prefer. He also said Wainwright's team, considering the competition, has shown signs of improvement.
Now if that is the dreaded vote of confidence, I doubt it. Plain and simple, DePaul doesn't have the mo ney to buy Jerry out and to hire a new guy.:D

[xavierdude]

On a blog there is a rumor that Billy G has been fired.

http://yourdalyfix.blogspot.com/2009/03/billy-g-is-fired.html

Who knows how "reliable" it is....but it wouldn't surprise me

[xu drew]

On a blog there is a rumor that Billy G has been fired.

http://yourdalyfix.blogspot.com/2009/03/billy-g-is-fired.html

Who knows how "reliable" it is....but it wouldn't surprise me

if that happens, i'm sure they'd wait until UK loses in the NIT and their season is officially over. i'm not buying it.

[XU05and07]

if that happens, i'm sure they'd wait until UK loses in the NIT and their season is officially over. i'm not buying it.

The only reason they would do it now is to show up the NCAA tournament, get their name in the news, and pretty much carry on in their own narcissistic way...I hate UK

[coasterville95]

I used to think this kind of thing was civilized and programs waited until after the season ended. After all, how many desireable out of work basketball coaches are there on the unemployment line in mid season, hence the whole coaching carousel phenomenon. After the season ends, the coach swapping begins.

Then Georgia went and fired their guy mid season.

I haven't read the blog article yet, but it would not surprise me. It would also not surprise me if the conversation went something like "Good luck during the NIT, as soon as you lose your done at Kentucky" I just don't see the benefit of pulling Gillespie before what could be the last game.

[Fred Garvin]

I thought they'd owe Billy Clyde 6 mill. They are gonna do that when the university system is laying people off?

I think one job Sean would ultimately be interested in is NC State? He was an assistant there with Sendek. He summers at the Outer Banks. And I can't imagine Lowe is gonna be there for long.

Mack to Elon would be cool. Didn't Skip's kid attend Elon? I'd bet Mack would have him on his staff.

[waggy]

I doubt Sean would want to go back to NC State. Been there, done that. Plus the fans basically ran Sendek out, and being Seans friend it just doesn't seem like the right fit. Plenty of programs he could go to without that baggage. If he wants to coach in the ACC, Maryland makes a lot of sense imo. Duke and UNC aren't programs that can be elevated. Maryland has some decent history and excellent recruiting grounds.

[GuyFawkes38]

Yes, Maryland has to be the best job in the ACC. I would want no part of NC State, Virginia, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech, and even Duke and Unc.

As for the Big East, if Georgetown or UConn open up, I'd be stressed.

[MADXSTER]

Interesting comment...http://news.collegesportsinfo.com/2009/03/2009-college-basketball-coaching.html

Anonymous said...
Pat Kelsey at High Point. Mark it down.

[GuyFawkes38]

The rumors that Gillispie will be fired are growing.

I don't believe it. No matter how much cash UK is willing to throw at a coach, they will not be able to attract high profile candidates if they only give a coach 2 years.

(Hmmm, unless they are eying Travis Ford who loves UK so much that he'd be willing to ruin his career)

[PMI]

I doubt Sean would want to go back to NC State. Been there, done that. Plus the fans basically ran Sendek out, and being Seans friend it just doesn't seem like the right fit. Plenty of programs he could go to without that baggage. If he wants to coach in the ACC, Maryland makes a lot of sense imo. Duke and UNC aren't programs that can be elevated. Maryland has some decent history and excellent recruiting grounds.

If that's the case, don't expect Sean to go to the ACC anytime soon because Gary isn't going anywhere. You can mark that down.

[GuyFawkes38]

If that's the case, don't expect Sean to go to the ACC anytime soon because Gary isn't going anywhere. You can mark that down.

Of course, Gary has job security regardless or what some insane fans might say. I'd be more worried about retirement. The D.C. area has two awesome jobs that I think Miller would take (Georgetown being the other).

[GuyFawkes38]

It's funny. For the past couple years, I've been stressed about Sean Miller leaving for such programs as Michigan, Minnesota, and Indiana.

I don't feel that stress anymore.

I really think something has changed in the past 5 years. Coaches seem much less willing to leave programs. Maybe they look at programs like Kentucky and Indiana as death traps. Maybe now coaches appreciate the ability to build programs.

Who knows why. But I highly doubt that Rick Pitino, jamie Dixon, or Miller will jump at the Arizona job.

[waggy]

Southeast Missouri St.: Dickey Nutt

http://www.mediabistro.com/agencyspy/original/beavis.jpg

[xavierj]

It's funny. For the past couple years, I've been stressed about Sean Miller leaving for such programs as Michigan, Minnesota, and Indiana.

I don't feel that stress anymore.

I really think something has changed in the past 5 years. Coaches seem much less willing to leave programs. Maybe they look at programs like Kentucky and Indiana as death traps. Maybe now coaches appreciate the ability to build programs.

Who knows why. But I highly doubt that Rick Pitino, jamie Dixon, or Miller will jump at the Arizona job.

Georgetown is not a job Miller would take nor is it likely that the job will be open anytime within the next 10 years. Maryland maybe but doubtful. I just don't see Sean leaving Xavier anytime soon. The guy has it made, probably makes more money then Gary Williams and John Thompson III or as much money as they do, can win every year at Xavier and has a lifetime of job security. Why risk throwing that away.

[ATL Muskie]

Talk around here has focused on Mizzou's Mike Anderson for the UGA job. They were also interested in Grant @ VCU until Bama offered. No chance in hell Miller would come to UGA, but he has been mentioned, which just means he's a hot candidate and that's what the media does. Throw a million names out and see what sticks.....

[Muskie]

Highpoint Job off the board. It's not Bob Staak.

[coasterville95]

ESPN reporting that Billy G is OUT at UK, presser at 4:30.

So thats another spot open on the Coaching Carousel, though who in their right mind would WANT that job. I think I hear the Coaching Carousel band organ playing the looney tunes theme.

Cats Pause has mentioned Sean's name but he isn't high up on their list. The local office UK fan has said their top three are Calipari, Donovan, and Ford.

Again who in their right mind, I mean it could be a highly rewaring job but it comes with a heck of a lot of high risk. Win us a national title by your second year, we MAY let you stay, oops sorry you only won the title game by 5, sorry you'll have to go. (I know thats a slight exaggeration)

(Their fan say the presser was scheduled today because "What if they had to wait for our new coach to get eliminated in the tournament last night?")

[XU05and07]

(Their fan say the presser was scheduled today because "What if they had to wait for our new coach to get eliminated in the tournament last night?")


They really think they can get Coach K to leave Duke????

[Muskie]

I've noted the now vacant UK job in the first post.

[Mrs. Garrett]

The AD at DePaul said he expects Jerry W. to fulfifll the remaining six years on his contract. He also said that the curent economy almost mandates that action, or inaction if you prefer. He also said Wainwright's team, considering the competition, has shown signs of improvement.
Now if that is the dreaded vote of confidence, I doubt it. Plain and simple, DePaul doesn't have the mo ney to buy Jerry out and to hire a new guy.:D


The AD at DePaul is actually a she, and publicly she has said all of these things, but some insiders here in Chicago believe she was being diplomatic during the season and had enough class to not throw Wainwrong under the bus. So BG to DePaul is still a possibity if the AD does the right thing and shows JW the door.

[Muskie]

Alabama off the Board. VCU on.

[Xman95]

Found this on the website for NBC-29 in Virginia:

Thursday night in the NCAA Tournament, Sean Miller's Xavier team had its season end with a lost to Pittsburgh. Miller might be a target for Virginia in its search for a new head coach but Miller said Thursday night he's happy at Xavier.

Thursday night's game with Pittsburgh went right down to the wire. Pittsburgh's Levance Fields stole the show in crunch time, hitting a three-pointer from way downtown and then stealing the ball in the final seconds to score on a layup.

Xavier finishes the season with a 27-4 record.

First off, I like the fact that they mention Miller's happiness at Xavier. But did anyone notice that our winning percentage apparently improved with the loss last night?

[X Factor]

The UK Rivals board has about 10 threads on the first page all discussing Miller going to UK. The majority of people over there think he would be a great choice with a small majority thinking he isn't ready for UK.

One thread is saying Miller is visiting UK on Monday! WTF?

I hope Miller stays at Xavier. I love Sean Miller and what he has done for this program.

[xsteve1]

Yea looks like they are really starting to think about Miller down there. Basically saying nobody in Cincy cares about X and he would be king there. They worry though he would leave for Pitt eventually. I don't know why Miller would want to get involved in that mess when he's got a powerhouse program here.

[coasterville95]

I don't see it happening but read this thread:

http://kentucky.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1383&tid=126580652&mid=126580652&sid=888&style=2

Yes, its a Sean Miller thread, and while the first poster just doesn't get it, you should read the thread as a big compliment. Basically the thread acknowledges that we have much stricter academic standards than does UK when it comes to athletics. The original poster is downing Miller becuase we aren't bringing in McDonald's All Americans or Top 5 recruits, the others are coming to our defense saying that we won't take just anybody at Xavier to play basketball for us, we want STUDENT-Athletes.

One even goes so far as to hint "Yeah, Miller doesn't recruit the top players - and look what he has managed to do with 'sub-par' players.

In another thread on the same board advocating Sean Miller they comment "If he was only 1 minute away from an Elite Eight with "that" level of player just imagine what he can do here at UK without those pesky academics getting in the way." I could not believe somebody would openly say that.

Then again, as been alluded to the vast majority of UK fans have never set foot on their campus, while the vast majoirity of Xavier fans probably attended Xavier.

[bobbiemcgee]

http://www.truebluekentucky.com/index.php/component/poll/20-if-its-not-donovan-or-calipari-who-do-you-want.html

[bobbiemcgee]

I don't see it happening but read this thread:

http://kentucky.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1383&tid=126580652&mid=126580652&sid=888&style=2

Yes, its a Sean Miller thread, and while the first poster just doesn't get it, you should read the thread as a big compliment. Basically the thread acknowledges that we have much stricter academic standards than does UK when it comes to athletics. The original poster is downing Miller becuase we aren't bringing in McDonald's All Americans or Top 5 recruits, the others are coming to our defense saying that we won't take just anybody at Xavier to play basketball for us, we want STUDENT-Athletes.

One even goes so far as to hint "Yeah, Miller doesn't recruit the top players - and look what he has managed to do with 'sub-par' players.

In another thread on the same board advocating Sean Miller they comment "If he was only 1 minute away from an Elite Eight with "that" level of player just imagine what he can do here at UK without those pesky academics getting in the way." I could not believe somebody would openly say that.

Then again, as been alluded to the vast majority of UK fans have never set foot on their campus, while the vast majoirity of Xavier fans probably attended Xavier.

Most X fans still have some teeth also.

[muskiefan82]

You know......it is well past time for Thad's next move....

[Stonebreaker]

LMAO.

I'm not worried.

[xavierj]

Sean Miller would not be a good fit for UK nor do I think he would want to subject his family and kids to that mess. Being the coach of Kentucky can be a real problem if you are a family man and have young kids. Being the Kentucky coach means just that, you are married to the program. Sean Miller will not be the next coach of Kentucky nor will Thad Matta.

[kyxu]

Sean Miller would not be a good fit for UK nor do I think he would want to subject his family and kids to that mess. Being the coach of Kentucky can be a real problem if you are a family man and have young kids. Being the Kentucky coach means just that, you are married to the program. Sean Miller will not be the next coach of Kentucky nor will Thad Matta.

Exactly. The UK fans compare the prestige of Xavier against that of Kentucky, and will ask Miller "why not?" But as soon as he has the slightest stumble, they'll run him out of town like they did with Tubby and now Gillespie.

Miller can do no wrong with Xavier fans. And it's not like the Cincinnati media is chasing Miller around the city for a sound byte.

[coasterville95]

Let's pretend this interview does happen. I would love to see Sean either take up like five hours and then turn them down. Imagine cats pause - he has been in there for four hours clearly it's down to dollars. Better yet have him walk into the interview say no and leave in ten seconds

[Cheesehead]

It won't happen. They will go after Donovan (despite what he says) and Calipari. Travis Ford will be their 3rd pick followed by Pelfrey. Sean will not subject his family to the circus that has become UK basketball. He likes living in the quiet Loveland. He's an ordinary guy who doesn't need the limelight.

[golfitup]

Sean Miller would not be a good fit for UK nor do I think he would want to subject his family and kids to that mess. Being the coach of Kentucky can be a real problem if you are a family man and have young kids. Being the Kentucky coach means just that, you are married to the program. Sean Miller will not be the next coach of Kentucky nor will Thad Matta.

The funny thing about that is Billy Clyde is single, divorced and has no children. Basically, he had nothing but UK basketball to think about.

I also have my doubts that Sean is charismatic enough to handle all the outside crap that comes with being UK's coach. I've always said Pitino reminds me of a politician. That's the mentality you need to have to be coach of that school. John Calipari has that same demeanor.

But if you win, everything takes care of itself. So in the end I come to the same conclusion I always do. I don't know anything about anything.

[sweet16]

WOW......anybody see the play Miller's name is generating on UK message boards?

[D-West & PO-Z]

WOW......anybody see the play Miller's name is generating on UK message boards?

Are you serious?

[sweet16]

Are you serious?

What's your point?

[D-West & PO-Z]

What's your point?

It has already been discussed for a while on here today.

http://www.xavierhoops.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9436&page=6

[wkrq59]

Guy and all who think Miller will not go back to Pittsburgh even if the job opens. I agree. Why?
His whole family, dad, too, is here in Cincinnati. He has said so many times he is building a future here at Xavier. He regards Xavier as a destination not a stepping stone.
Sean has seen what happened with Pete at UVA, what happened to Liebo, and definitely what happened to Gillespie at UK. Believe me, Donovan is serious about staying at Florida because his family loves it there.
Like Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn or damned near any SEC football school, the coach there in football as the coaches in the SEC and in the ACC in basketball can count on having garbage dumped on their front lawn at some point, having their young kids subjected to shit in schools, having their wives be cattified in beauty salons and at social gatherings.
I remember Watson Brown telling me how the AD's wife made Watson's wife's life a living hell before he took the job at Rice.
Kentucky will most likely try to get the Arkansas coach to jump ship. Can't remember his name. T. Boone Pickens, who billions have been somewhat reduced at OK State, will simply jack Travis Ford's bonus for making the NCAA and playing well and that'll take him out of the running.
Pitino has suggested his son for the UK job.:D

[GoMuskies]

I think Arkansas won two or three games in an awful SEC. I don't think Pelphrey should be sitting by the phone.

[xavierj]

according to some genius on cats pause, Sean was on a comair flight from Cincinnati to Lexington last night so he could interview at UK. Priceless. Do you think UK fans realize Cincinnati is only about 75 miles from Lexington or are they that clueless?

[PMI]

I haven't read this whole thing so forgive me if anything I say has already said, but while I really don't see Miller taking this job, it naturally worries me being that it is Kentucky. I'm not sure how many coaches would pass up that opportunity, but I think and hope Miller is one of those who would. Like Sean has said several times, he has it very, very good at Xavier and I think he takes a lot of pride in being able to take a program and build/elevate it and put his own stamp on college basketball over inheriting an historic powerhouse where you won't be able to do much more than has already been done. I really believe he intends to (and will) take Xavier to its first Final Four.

On the other note, I would love to see Coach Cal take over just to see a renewed and even more bitter rivalry between him and Pitino. It would be fun to follow those two programs recruiting and competing against each other with the Calipari and Pitino rivalry in full gear. Take Calipari, not Miller.

[sweet16]

I saw an earlier thread regarding Miller and I know that most of us choose not to get involved in the speculation or simply accept that it's going to happen every year. And I also saw in the thread that there was some casual discussion regarding why he wouldn't have an interest in the UK job.

My point was that I was amazed at the amount of activity on catpause surrounding his name. There may be more comments there regarding Sean than we have here. Some have gone as far as stating that Miller is on a plane heading to Lexington right now.

What I find incredibly interesting is that our coach, from our little mid-major school, has become the fascination of quite possibly the largest and most rabid fan base in the country. I think it speaks volumes to the level we've achieved in the eyes of the college basketball world and more specifically to Miller's reputation.

[West is Best]

My point was that I was amazed at the amount of activity on catpause surrounding his name. There may be more comments there regarding Sean than we have here.

Isn't every post in a Xavier basketball forum more or less about Sean?

[xavierj]

[QUOTE=sweet16;111747]

My point was that I was amazed at the amount of activity on catpause surrounding his name. There may be more comments there regarding Sean than we have here. Some have gone as far as stating that Miller is on a plane heading to Lexington right now.

Shows you how smart some of those guys are. Lexington is 75 miles from Cincinnati and they speculated that he flew in on Comair. Are they serious or just plain dumb?

[X Factor]

There is someone on UK board who has been pumping up Miller saying that UK asked for permission to talk to Sean and now Sean is in Lexington or on his way there to talk to them.

Should I be worried? I can't find anything to confirm this.

PLease stay at Xavier Coach Miller!!!!!

[GuyFawkes38]

I love it when they link to a site which has plane logs.

[GuyFawkes38]

There is someone on UK board who has been pumping up Miller saying that UK asked for permission to talk to Sean and now Sean is in Lexington or on his way there to talk to them.

Should I be worried? I can't find anything to confirm this.

PLease stay at Xavier Coach Miller!!!!!

I'm going to check Sean's Twitter updates.

Oh wait, Sean doesn't twitter. That's too bad.

[danaandvictory]

Shows you how smart some of those guys are. Lexington is 75 miles from Cincinnati and they speculated that he flew in on Comair. Are they serious or just plain dumb?

Truly amazing. "Yeah, Coach, we'd like to offer you 3-4 million dollars a year to coach here at UK...here's a complimentary drink ticket for your commercial flight to Lexington, please remember to check in 45 minutes before departure."

If UK was bringing Sean in for a meeting they'd send down one of the 100-150 private planes the UK basketball program has at its disposal, then drive him to the campus in an ivory palenquin borne by former Kentucky Derby winning thoroughbreds.

Of course, Matta fled to Columbus in a Chevrolet, so anything's possible.

[PMI]

There is someone on UK board who has been pumping up Miller saying that UK asked for permission to talk to Sean and now Sean is in Lexington or on his way there to talk to them.

Should I be worried? I can't find anything to confirm this.

PLease stay at Xavier Coach Miller!!!!!

At this point let's take it with a grain of salt. If I believed everything every person from Kentucky ever told me I'd be one F'ed up SOB.

[Masterofreality]

Don't forget,

Sean was "on a plane heading to Milwaukee" last year, at least that's what a reporter called and told Mike Bobinski......

..........all the while Sean is sitting in Mike's office, laughing his a$$ off.

[stxxu]

From Andy Katz:

A source close to Xavier just told me that one school, either Arizona or Virginia, called XU athletic director Mike Bobinski, but head coach Sean Miller told Bobinski to say thanks but no thanks. He said he's staying put.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4024308&name=marchmadness

[REF]

That makes sense. He's not leaving this year IMO.

[xavierj]

not leaving next year either. Why would he?

[golfitup]

It really is worth everyones time to go over to catspause and read the posts about Sean. They already have a thread about Katz's blog entry and are assuming this just means he wants to go to Kentucky.

To all BCS schools I say suck it!

[coasterville95]

I see the catspuase people are good with photoshop:

CAUTION: The below photoshop may cause extreme nausea and vommiting, or loud laughter:


http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww202/KYJamm_photos/SeanMillerUK.jpg

According to their supposed expert plant in the athletic office, an interview was held tonight lasting about an hour, no offer was made, just a general get to know you type interview. Insider claims that Izzo is higher up on their list.

[GuyFawkes38]

I see the catspuase people are good with photoshop:

CAUTION: The below photoshop may cause extreme nausea and vommiting, or loud laughter:


http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww202/KYJamm_photos/SeanMillerUK.jpg

According to their supposed expert plant in the athletic office, an interview was held tonight lasting about an hour, no offer was made, just a general get to know you type interview. Insider claims that Izzo is higher up on their list.

Ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great stuff.

[waggy]

I hope Sean stays at X forever. But if he ever does decide it's time to move on, he'll probably be right. In the 8 or 9 years he's already been at X he's done too much for anyone in, around, or following the program to ever be bitter at him.

[GuyFawkes38]

I hope Sean stays at X forever. But if he ever does decide it's time to move on, he'll probably be right. In the 8 or 9 years he's already been at X he's done too much for anyone in, around, or following the program to ever be bitter at him.

Come on now waggy, your getting soft.

Catspause is going crazy about Miller and they photo shop one picture of him and you go on to say that he should leave. Get a grip.

[Drew's Crew]

I hope Sean stays at X forever. But if he ever does decide it's time to move on, he'll probably be right. In the 8 or 9 years he's already been at X he's done too much for anyone in, around, or following the program to ever be bitter at him.

Well by that time we will have won what, 3.....maybe 4 National Championships??

In all seriousness though, if he does stay that long, XU will be a major power in college bball and we will most likely be able to recover much easier than if he left right now.

[pizza delivery]

Miller is such a damn fine quality individual. I mean, if this guy actually sticks around to ramp this program into a Final Four or even National Championship?!?! What couldn't be said about him that could be said about coach K, Pitino, some of the greats? He, it would seem, realizes this. Wow. I wouldn't slight my fellow fans, because in many ways we, and especially those directly within the XU family, do deserve this, but it is incredibly humbling what is going on. I'm just really really appreciative of Miller's character. Outstanding man.

[GuyFawkes38]

Catspause.com is insane. It has a mob type feel to it.

Suddenly, Miller is their top choice.

On the surface, Miller might strike your average Kentucky fan as a good choice. Like Pitino, he looks like the kind of east coast guy who can handle the circus of Kentucky basketball. And he's young, which is always a big plus.

But we are closer to the situation here than your average Kentucky fan. Miller doesn't seem like a good fit to me. At this point, I'm guessing Ford.

[waggy]

Catpause is fascinating. Some knowledgable, some delusional and some ignorant. It takes some willpower not to jump in the fracas when you read some of the stuff there, but I've restrained myself. Entertaining though.

[xuirish]

Catspause must have some be serving some delicious Kool-Aid

[xuab]

Okay, I tried my best to avoid going to their board, but my curiousity got the better of me. I kind of wish I hadn't. Some comments about getting to the Elite 8 with "frickin Xavier" and doing it with lesser players is a little too much ego for my taste.

[golfitup]

Okay, I tried my best to avoid going to their board, but my curiousity got the better of me. I kind of wish I hadn't. Some comments about getting to the Elite 8 with "frickin Xavier" and doing it with lesser players is a little too much ego for my taste.

What thread are you in? I'd like to read this.

[xuab]

What thread are you in? I'd like to read this.

Okay golf, I went back to look for it. Here is one thread. http://kentucky.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?highlight=frickin&sid=888&fid=1383&tid=126603116&mid=126603784

One of the comments was that we beat Top 20 teams with Top 20 talent with "his top 500 talent".

Enjoy if you are a glutton for punishment. The folks there really do need to get over themselves.

[dc_x]

95% of the UK fanbase didn't go to UK. Most of them are toothless hillbillies who are drawn to UK basketball because it's the biggest sports team in the Commonwealth. Reading that board is like reading a Bengals message board....painful.

[Masterofreality]

And, incredibly, some people, especially in Cincinnati, have the gall to call Xavier fans "arrogant" and "elitist".

Read some of that pap, then see where the words apply.

[golfitup]

Okay golf, I went back to look for it. Here is one thread. http://kentucky.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?highlight=frickin&sid=888&fid=1383&tid=126603116&mid=126603784

One of the comments was that we beat Top 20 teams with Top 20 talent with "his top 500 talent".

Enjoy if you are a glutton for punishment. The folks there really do need to get over themselves.

Oh, i thought you meant you had posted something yourself. My bad. I have been reading the board the past day and I gotta say it makes me incredibly grateful to have this board to post on an almost daily basis. How the hell do you mod something like catspause. Seems very overwhelming.

[Muskie]

Coaching stuff goes in here. (http://www.xavierhoops.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9436) Otherwise we'll have 13 threads on Sean Miller mentioned in .....

[kyxu]

I read one UK poster saying that his dad was on the same flight as Sean, and that Sean spent all day yesterday in Lexington. One person even said they expect a press conference on Monday naming Miller as UK's next coach. I just have to laugh.

It reminds me of two years ago when it was announced that Miller was Minnesota's new coach, then that he was Michigan's new head coach.

I'm not nearly as worried now as I was two years ago. Now it's all kind of funny and entertaining.

[LutherRackleyRulez]

Make sure you take some time 2'day
to surf Kentucky Sports Radio blog notes
& the outrageous posts provided by members of the "Big Blue Nation....totally nutz!!!


BTW....
according to this blog,
the current tier of the coaches UK plans to pursue:

#1. Billy D.
#2. Coach Cal & Tom I.
#3. Dixon, Matta, Miller & Ford.....




http://blog.kentuckysportsradio.com/

[Nocalmuskie]

Now the mainstream press is getting into the act:

http://johnclay.bloginky.com/2009/03/29/a-look-at-sean-miller/

[supernintendo]

Miller was in Columbus last night watching 2010 recruit JD Weatherspoon win a state title for Columbus Northland. He was with his family and they were wearing X gear.

On another note, Weatherspoon as a junior in high school is about as athletic as McClean. This kid's head almost hits the rim every time he dunks.

[golfitup]

Miller was in Columbus last night watching 2010 recruit JD Weatherspoon win a state title for Columbus Northland. He was with his family and they were wearing X gear.

On another note, Weatherspoon as a junior in high school is about as athletic as McClean. This kid's head almost hits the rim every time he dunks.

Did you see him there? Where is the proof?

[kyxu]

Did you see him there? Where is the proof?

Yes, he was there.

[Muskie]

Yes, he was there.

I heard the same thing from someone who was there.

[supernintendo]

Did you see him there? Where is the proof?

Sure did. Saw Lebron at the D II game as well (St. Vincent-St. Mary's was playing). No proof, didn't think a picture was necessary.

[golfitup]

To that I say once again....

Suck it BCS schools!

[XU-XHI]

Hot From the Press - Shannon Russell just tweeted (2:52 p.m. 3/29) -

"Rumors that Sean Miller is going to Ky. to interview are unfounded. He texted today and said nothing was up."

[wkrq59]

Andy Katz has a note on his blog that said Sean has asked Mike Bobinski to tell people who inquire about Sean's interest or ask for permission to talk to him that, "Thank you but I'm not interested. I'm happy at Xavier."
If this is true, and I seriously doubt Katz would risk his credibility by printing something from a source quoting Mike, it should end all the BS.
Oh, and remember the Milwaukee Sentinel reporter who called Mike for comment that Sean was in Milwaukee and would be announced as Marquette's new coach only to hear from Bobinski that Sean was sitting across from him in his office laughing like hell at the stupidity. Give Sean credit for having a brain. He's not stupid enough to dive into that cesspool where the only thing that happens is the coach gets covered with sh!t.:D

[xuab]

Hot From the Press - Shannon Russell just tweeted (2:52 p.m. 3/29) -

"Rumors that Sean Miller is going to Ky. to interview are unfounded. He texted today and said nothing was up."

Check out Shannon's Blog (http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog05&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3afdda4dab-ab39-43a7-8ba8-36da2f75a889Post%3a0a76a11e-1a66-4477-b86e-28fc0fc758c6&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com). She brings up the rumors and Shannon and Dustin chime in with their thoughts. Dustin said that Sean sent him a text to say nothing was up with Minnesota when all the media where proclaiming him the next coach there.

[golfitup]

Check out Shannon's Blog (http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog05&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3afdda4dab-ab39-43a7-8ba8-36da2f75a889Post%3a0a76a11e-1a66-4477-b86e-28fc0fc758c6&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com). She brings up the rumors and Shannon and Dustin chime in with their thoughts. Dustin said that Sean sent him a text to say nothing was up with Minnesota when all the media where proclaiming him the next coach there.

Strong comment from Dow.

[MADXSTER]

http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/goodmanonfox/2009/03/28/ELON_HIRES_DAVIDSON_ASSISTANT_MATHENY

Elon has hired Davidson assistant coach Matt Matheny


http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/9384198/Sources:-Auburn-asst.-takes-Tennessee-St.-job

Auburn assistant John Cooper has accepted the Tennessee State

[coasterville95]

I am with Waggy when it comes to cats pause. I so want to jump in there and set them straight but I figure it's not worth my time and besides why tamper with the hillarity that is their board and it's delusional fan base

[BomberMuskie]

Written by Katz on Saturday night on ESPN's site...

Posted by Andy Katz

BOSTON -- That was a good half of basketball.

Pitt started out looking shaky again. But the Panthers are back to being physical and aggressive. Credit DeJuan Blair for realizing he has to play big. He did pick up a chippy second foul out on the perimeter. I thought Jamie Dixon was going to race out on the court to challenge that call.


Shane Clark started out on fire for the Wildcats. Villanova doesn't stop coming at you, either.


This should shape up to be quite a second half.


• I can't get over how much official Patrick Driscoll looks like British actor Rowan Atkinson, aka Mr. Bean.


• A source close to Xavier just told me that one school, either Arizona or Virginia, called XU athletic director Mike Bobinski, but head coach Sean Miller told Bobinski to say thanks but no thanks. He said he's staying put.

[kyxu]

I'm pretty excited to see how this coaching thing plays out for UK. They're not going to get Miller or Calipari or Izzo or Donovan (some of their proclaimed top choices).

They're lamenting about the fact they had to get an "unproven" up-and-comer in Gillespie, but experienced, successful coaches don't grow on trees, nor are they currently unemployed. They're likely going to have to go the same route again.

I'm a big Notre Dame football fan, and this whole thing is playing out fairly similar to an ND coaching search. It's nice to be a casual observer for once in such a situation :D

[xu15]

Actually, I just heard today that Calipari just came out and said he would possibly be interested in the UK job. I was surprised at this, as I was someone who said they would never get Calipari. I still think they won't, but apparently there's a chance. (Bring on the Dumb and Dumber quotes).

[kyxu]

Actually, I just heard today that Calipari just came out and said he would possibly be interested in the UK job. I was surprised at this, as I was someone who said they would never get Calipari. I still think they won't, but apparently there's a chance. (Bring on the Dumb and Dumber quotes).

Calipari will always listen, but whether he ultimately takes it is something different.

But...you could be right and he could take it afterall. Pretty entertaining stuff!

[GuyFawkes38]

Actually, I just heard today that Calipari just came out and said he would possibly be interested in the UK job. I was surprised at this, as I was someone who said they would never get Calipari. I still think they won't, but apparently there's a chance. (Bring on the Dumb and Dumber quotes).

Yes, that looks to be the case:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/11564471

He would be an ideal choice for Kentucky. And Kentucky kind of makes sense for Calipari. For a coach building his career, the Kentucky job poses a big risk. But Calipari is a proven commodity. If he fails at Kentucky, he would fall back into a Memphis type job very easily.

[wkrq59]

If any of you who read this board have any illusions about the University of Kentucky basketball program and what awaits the next coach--no matter how much money is involved--please, please, please read Mark Story's column in the Lexington Herald Leader (kentucky.com) and then read the blog comments after it. The place is a cesspool where alumni and "so-called knoledgeable basketball fans and gurus--is that possible--has as much influence as the president and athletic director. Many are BOT members.
If you've learned anything about Sean Miller in the past six years, know that he values loyalty, trust and family. If he says he is happy at Xavier and absolutely not interested in Kentucky, believe him. Sean is not Thad Matta.
Wisexowl on the other board has an interesting observation that has probably been made here and I haven't seen it. Yet.
But simply put it is this. Sean Miller has come far enough that he will never interview for another job. If people want Sean Miller to be their coach, agents contact agents, agents inform ADs of interest or non-interest and the ADs contact Mike Bobinski for permission to speak with Sean. Sean doesn't travel to the campus of another school or to some secret rendezvous for an interview or what have you. If he tells Mike to tell callers that he's not going anywhere, that's it. If people want Sean to be their coach, that's the procedure. Sean, or Travis, or Calipari, or Who Shot John is either offered the job and at what salary and he decides then and there whether to pursue it. Sean has already decided. :D

[GuyFawkes38]

If any of you who read this board have any illusions about the University of Kentucky basketball program and what awaits the next coach--no matter how much money is involved--please, please, please read Mark Story's column in the Lexington Herald Leader (kentucky.com) and then read the blog comments after it. The place is a cesspool where alumni and "so-called knoledgeable basketball fans and gurus--is that possible--has as much influence as the president and athletic director. Many are BOT members.
If you've learned anything about Sean Miller in the past six years, know that he values loyalty, trust and family. If he says he is happy at Xavier and absolutely not interested in Kentucky, believe him. Sean is not Thad Matta.
Wisexowl on the other board has an interesting observation that has probably been made here and I haven't seen it. Yet.
But simply put it is this. Sean Miller has come far enough that he will never interview for another job. If people want Sean Miller to be their coach, agents contact agents, agents inform ADs of interest or non-interest and the ADs contact Mike Bobinski for permission to speak with Sean. Sean doesn't travel to the campus of another school or to some secret rendezvous for an interview or what have you. If he tells Mike to tell callers that he's not going anywhere, that's it. If people want Sean to be their coach, that's the procedure. Sean, or Travis, or Calipari, or Who Shot John is either offered the job and at what salary and he decides then and there whether to pursue it. Sean has already decided. :D

Well said.

It is true that most coaches don't stay at a place for over 10 to 15 years. My gut tells me that Sean will eventually end up at an upper echelon east coast school (Maryland, NC state, Georgetown, Uconn, etc..) I hope I'm wrong.

But I do 100% agree that Sean isn't going anywhere soon. I have no worries about Kentucky, Arizona, and even Pittsburgh.

[Muskie1000]

anyway the rumors have been that Kentucky wants Calipari and that Calipari wants Kentucky. Why is just totally beyond me. He has made Memphis what it is and is well respected. If he goes, my guess is that he wants the challenge because right now I can't see Kentucky being that attractive of a job. Esp with the way coaches are treated.

[BBC 08]

If Calipari gets the UK job, any chance a series between Xavier and UK finally starts?

[XU05and07]

If Calipari gets the UK job, any chance a series between Xavier and UK finally starts?

Calipari might fight for it, but his fan base will fight against...and probably win

[Drew's Crew]

If Calipari gets the UK job, any chance a series between Xavier and UK finally starts?

I was thinking the same thing. I kniow how close Calipari and Miller are.

It will be pretty cool to have those two guys coaching just a couple hours from each other.

(that is of course, if he gets the job).

[XU05and07]

(that is of course, if he gets the job).

it's if he takes the job...UK will not be turning down Calipari, Calipari will be turning down UK

[coasterville95]

Uhm,

Before the brackets matched us up at the Puerto Rico Tip Off, how many times have Miller and Calipari scheduled each other?

And it would work out so well for Calipari in the years that they go to Fifth Third Arena - he could go to 5/3rd Arena and give the Bearcats their annual butt whipping, then come over to Cintas and we'll have a nice competetive game of basketball.

[BBC 08]

Uhm,

Before the brackets matched us up at the Puerto Rico Tip Off, how many times have Miller and Calipari scheduled each other?

And it would work out so well for Calipari in the years that they go to Fifth Third Arena - he could go to 5/3rd Arena and give the Bearcats their annual butt whipping, then come over to Cintas and we'll have a nice competetive game of basketball.

This is true but I thought the rumor was that the A10 and CUSA were planning a conference challenge like the ACC Big 10 and the big match up was going to be Xavier Memphis.

[XUglow]

Cal has got one 5-star and three 4-star players already inked for next year. He has one more 5-star commit that has not signed. We have a handful of Memphis fans that play in my golf group, and their opinion was that they wouldn't let Cal go without a bidding war. Cal may just be using the UK opening as a way to get another million a year out of Memphis.

[PM Thor]

ESPN is saying that Cal is meeting with UK, and that it's the biggest deal in college ball. They interviewed Katz, and asked him if Cal would take the job, yes or no, and Katz said yes he would take it and the answer would be quick, within the next 24 hours.

My question is what does this mean, if it is true, for all of those recruits? What players follow Cal to UK, which ones are driven out at UK, who stays where, who opens up their recruitment again, on and on....

I HATE dayton.

[XUglow]

Thor, a player signs with a school and not with a coach. The 4 players that have signed with Memphis can request a release if Cal leaves, and Memphis can choose to give it or not. Even if they give it, they can put restrictions on where they don't want the players going. (Kentucky, for instance.) If Memphis doesn't give the release, the player can still go anywhere he wants, but he would have to sit out a year like any other transfer.

[GoMuskies]

ESPN is saying that Cal is meeting with UK, and that it's the biggest deal in college ball. They interviewed Katz, and asked him if Cal would take the job, yes or no, and Katz said yes he would take it and the answer would be quick, within the next 24 hours.



Billy D. was supposedly signed, sealed and delivered to UK two years ago, too. So we'll see.

[kyxu]

Thor, a player signs with a school and not with a coach. The 4 players that have signed with Memphis can request a release if Cal leaves, and Memphis can choose to give it or not. Even if they give it, they can put restrictions on where they don't want the players going. (Kentucky, for instance.) If Memphis doesn't give the release, the player can still go anywhere he wants, but he would have to sit out a year like any other transfer.

Hmmm. I thought per NCAA rules, you can back out of an LOI if the coach leaves, regardless of whether the school grants your release, and either way you don't have to sit out a year.

I could be wrong though. You never stop learning.

[Muskie]

Hmmm. I thought per NCAA rules, you can back out of an LOI if the coach leaves, regardless of whether the school grants your release, and either way you don't have to sit out a year.

I could be wrong though. You never stop learning.

I think Glow is correct. Once the LOI is signed, the university has to let you out of it and they can place restrictions. I'm still a little fuzzy on if that player has to sit out a year.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Latest rumor is Cal met with his Memphis players and the feeling is he told them he is going to UK. Memphis is supposedly going to offer him a deal that would make him the highest paid in NCAA bball in a last ditch effort to keep him. I didn't think there would be any way Cal would leave Memphis with the class he has coming in, but if the rumors are right it looks like he will be.

[XUglow]

I looked up the NLI rules. The situation is covered by National Letter of Intent Provisions 4 and 5. If a player isn't released and doesn't honor his commitment to the school, he must sit out for a year AND he loses a year of eligibility. When a player requests a release, the school only has 2 choices: No release or Full Release. If the school signs No Release, the player can appeal to the NCAA directly.

[coasterville95]

Again I find myself rooting that Cats Pause biggest nightmare (of the day) is about to come true. That would be that Calipari says all the right things to UK, then goes back to Memphis to settle his affairs, and by settle his affairs I mean renegotiate his contract. Then in 24-48 hours he can call up Lexington and say "Memphis matched your offer, so I'll just stay put" at which point UK can counter offer, then Memphis can counter offer ad nauseum until one of the schools runs out of money, then Calipari goes to whichever school he truly wants to be at (Please be Memphis) with a lot bigger paycheck.

Actually as long as Cal can give UK and its delusional fanbase strong feeling that he is coming there, and then crush those dreams 2 days later would be fine with me!

I am with those that want a long drawn out affair during wich time the players bolt for greener pastures, and by the time all is said and done the only coaches available are Mick Cronin or the guy Georgia kicked out mid season - take your pick.

They could then steal Mick Cronin away from UC, say in like July, leaving UC with the choice between Gillespie or the guy Georgia threw out mid season. Between that and Gregory's recent long term contract extension, we'd be the winners. Oh, and the cat's pause board would be full of entertainment as well.

[coasterville95]

Okay thanks glow -

So the rules in a nutshell:

If a player wants to leave, and the school refuses to release - then its sit a year and forfiet a years eligibility.
If a player wants to leave, and the school honors the release - then its sit out a year - maintain whatever eligibility the player had left.

I know that in certain hardhsip cases, or on appeal to the NCAA the sitting out a year thing can be waived, would this be the case for a new player who just signed a LOI but has not yet arrived on campus - asuming the school agrees to release?

(Slightly off topic - but what happens to a player if the SCHOOL decides to end the relationship - say like UC just did with one of their players. IF the player can find a new school/team to join does the player sit the year then?)

[XU05and07]

I wouldn't listen to any opinion from ESPN regarding the conversation of should Calipari go to UK. In years past, ESPN has said that Memphis was a great place for Calipari and he has no reason to leave. He's king there, the recruiting is there, the players like playing there, you can always get into the NCAA tournament from the CUSA, yadda yadda yadda. Now, they want him to jump ship in an instant. Why? Because ESPN just signed a huge exclusive deal with the SEC and want Coach Calipari in the conference for the betterment of their contract, money, and ratings. They have a rooting interest in his movements and now love to put in their opinions.

If Calipari was looking to move to a school like Michigan State, Ohio State, Virginia, St. John's, Providence, or wherever else that has a contract with ESPN and already has enough big name coaches, they wouldn't be saying it was a done deal and that he should do it. The Big East and the ACC have enough big names in the conference to sell themselves (Coach K, Roy and Gary Williams, Jamie Dixon, Jay Wright, JTIII, etc...). Who does the SEC have? How relevant was the SEC this year (no offense to LSU)? ESPN wants Calipari and UK to save them.

I would listen to the rumors and the facts, but nothing more. I don't want to hear their biased opinions.

[XU 87]

Latest rumor is Cal met with his Memphis players and the feeling is he told them he is going to UK.

That's what the Memphis newspaper is reporting.

[XU-XHI]

Read all about it in the Commercial Appeal (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/mar/30/source-calipari-meets-players-hints-departure/)

[Muskie]

Read all about it in the Commercial Appeal (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/mar/30/source-calipari-meets-players-hints-departure/)

Does this mean I put John Calipari above Thad "I'm not a candidate" Matta on how to handle a job search?

[Masterofreality]

From Xavier's Blog by Dustin Dow a few minutes ago:

"So Memphis has released a statement that UK has persmission to talk to Calipari. And Calipari has already met with third-party UK officials informally and met with Memphis players about his interest in the UK job. In other words, there is no way that he goes into the "official" meeting with UK, whether that's today, tomorrow or this weekend, without knowing he's going to get the job. Odds are that a deal is being worked out right now between UK and Cal's agent, Mike Barnett, an Indiana-based negotiator with a rep for making big deals happen.

Rick Pitino was lobbying hard for Travis Ford or John Pelphrey to get this job. Having a coach with Cal's credentials in Lexington can't be a terribly comfortable feeling for the Louisville coach."

[Muskie]

From Xavier's Blog by Dustin Dow a few minutes ago:

"So Memphis has released a statement that UK has persmission to talk to Calipari. And Calipari has already met with third-party UK officials informally and met with Memphis players about his interest in the UK job. In other words, there is no way that he goes into the "official" meeting with UK, whether that's today, tomorrow or this weekend, without knowing he's going to get the job. Odds are that a deal is being worked out right now between UK and Cal's agent, Mike Barnett, an Indiana-based negotiator with a rep for making big deals happen.

Rick Pitino was lobbying hard for Travis Ford or John Pelphrey to get this job. Having a coach with Cal's credentials in Lexington can't be a terribly comfortable feeling for the Louisville coach."

Aren't Ford and Pelphrey former Pitino players too? I'm sure he'd rather see one of his guys get the job.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Okay thanks glow -

So the rules in a nutshell:

If a player wants to leave, and the school refuses to release - then its sit a year and forfiet a years eligibility.
If a player wants to leave, and the school honors the release - then its sit out a year - maintain whatever eligibility the player had left.

I know that in certain hardhsip cases, or on appeal to the NCAA the sitting out a year thing can be waived, would this be the case for a new player who just signed a LOI but has not yet arrived on campus - asuming the school agrees to release?

(Slightly off topic - but what happens to a player if the SCHOOL decides to end the relationship - say like UC just did with one of their players. IF the player can find a new school/team to join does the player sit the year then?)

If a new recruit is let out of his LOI he does not have to sit a year out. See terrell holloway.

[Muskie]

Do yourself a favor and look at the comments section of the Memphis Courier-Journal link above. The Memphis fans want Mike Anderson to leave Missouri for Memphis. The one's that don't... don't believe he's "elite" enough.

Newsflash: With Cal gone, Memphis won't be as formidable.

[XBR1]

Thor, a player signs with a school and not with a coach. The 4 players that have signed with Memphis can request a release if Cal leaves, and Memphis can choose to give it or not. Even if they give it, they can put restrictions on where they don't want the players going. (Kentucky, for instance.) If Memphis doesn't give the release, the player can still go anywhere he wants, but he would have to sit out a year like any other transfer.

I don't believe that all four are signed. I believe the #1 guy in the country is. I also believe two have given verbal commits to Memphis. The last one is a heavy lean toward Memphis. If those three that haven't signed yet follow him to UK they will be loaded with Patterson and Meeks.

[pimpinthebox]

I have a flimsy source who is "on campus" (UK's) who says it's a done deal at $6M per. We'll see if that pans out. I think he's going.

[coasterville95]

Thanks for merging the posts over, Muskie, (or whoever did it)

I was thinking for some time it was fishy to even think that UK would take coach hiring advice from Pitino. Think about it, if you could help guide, no matter how slight, the coaching search of your big in state rival, would you steer them towards a Doormat or a top name coach?

"If the coach (or fans) of your biggest rival is HAPPY about your coach something is usually wrong" - read on Cats Pause one day.

From that it should go "If the coach of your biggest rival shakes in his boots when he hears the name of your coach, thats usually a good thing" OR "If the coach of your biggest rival is happier than you are about your new coach, you are probably screwed"

So now that it seems at least 95% certain its Calipari to UK, what is the general concesus about the Mephis job - top runners and all that. I'd figure IF Sean Miller was the least bit interested in it, it would be a done deal already. "Listen guys, I hate to leave you in a lurch now that I'm going to University of Kentucky, but might I recommend Coach Miller, you may recall he beat us earlier this season" if Calipari knows Sean isn't interested, and mind you they are cloe friends, he can equally steer them in another direction during his exit interview. That said I am more worried about Memphis than I was about Kentucky. One thing, whoever gets the Memphis job is going to get a handyman's special, particularly if Calipari takes his army with him to Kentucky. (Exactly why I don't see Miller jumping on it, why settle for a handyman's special, when you practically have a Frank Lloyd Wright mansion in mint condition already)

Bad loss for Memphis, bad loss for Conference USA if true.

[Muskie]

Thanks for merging the posts over, Muskie, (or whoever did it)

I was thinking for some time it was fishy to even think that UK would take coach hiring advice from Pitino. Think about it, if you could help guide, no matter how slight, the coaching search of your big in state rival, would you steer them towards a Doormat or a top name coach?

"If the coach (or fans) of your biggest rival is HAPPY about your coach something is usually wrong" - read on Cats Pause one day.

From that it should go "If the coach of your biggest rival shakes in his boots when he hears the name of your coach, thats usually a good thing" OR "If the coach of your biggest rival is happier than you are about your new coach, you are probably screwed"

So now that it seems at least 95% certain its Calipari to UK, what is the general concesus about the Mephis job - top runners and all that. I'd figure IF Sean Miller was the least bit interested in it, it would be a done deal already. "Listen guys, I hate to leave you in a lurch now that I'm going to University of Kentucky, but might I recommend Coach Miller, you may recall he beat us earlier this season" if Calipari knows Sean isn't interested, and mind you they are cloe friends, he can equally steer them in another direction during his exit interview. That said I am more worried about Memphis than I was about Kentucky. One thing, whoever gets the Memphis job is going to get a handyman's special, particularly if Calipari takes his army with him to Kentucky. (Exactly why I don't see Miller jumping on it, why settle for a handyman's special, when you practically have a Frank Lloyd Wright mansion in mint condition already)

Bad loss for Memphis, bad loss for Conference USA if true.

Why would Miller even debate Memphis? He turned down the Big East and Big Ten last year to coach the "best" team in Conference USA (who knows how good the team will be with what's left).

[boozehound]

Memphis really doesn't worry me for Miller. If he didn't want to talk to Indiana and Marquette last year I don't know what the allure of Memphis would be, unless he wanted to coach at a school where he didn't have to worry about academic standards and could just get anybody who can ball on his team (I should note that I have heard, but cannot actually verify, that Memphis basketball players have almost no academic requirements).

[xu15]

Calipari has been offerred 6 mil by UK. DAMN.

Second of all, Dickey Nut is probably the best name Ive heard in a while.

[XUglow]

I don't believe that all four are signed. I believe the #1 guy in the country is. I also believe two have given verbal commits to Memphis. The last one is a heavy lean toward Memphis. If those three that haven't signed yet follow him to UK they will be loaded with Patterson and Meeks.

SIGNED LETTER OF INTENT Pos Stars Ht Wt RR Video Hometown
Will Coleman PF 6-9 230 - Miami, FL
Nolan Dennis SG 6-5 185 - North Richland Hills, TX
Darnell Dodson SF 6-7 215 - Miami, FL
Xavier Henry SG 6-6 210 - Oklahoma City, OK

COMMITTED/NOT YET SIGNED Pos Stars Ht Wt RR Video Hometown
DeMarcus Cousins PF 6-9 250 - Mobile, AL

[pimpinthebox]

Yeah, when you talk to your players and they come away thinking you're gone (sports attack on 1530), you're gone. Stop the talk on Miller. It's not happening. Case closed.

[GoMuskies]

$6.67 million per year from UK to Calipari.

[XUglow]

$6.67 million per year from UK to Calipari.

Pretty soon, he is going to be in the same salary bracket as an NFL offensive lineman.

[coasterville95]

That's just crazy money - wasn't the old record something like 3.5 Mil?

"There's only so much money a man needs" - Forrest Gump.

[Muskie]

Memphis has received permission to speak to Mike Anderson. Apparently his wife is from Memphis (Anderson makes 800k at Mizzou).

[PMI]

If a new recruit is let out of his LOI he does not have to sit a year out. See terrell holloway.

I'm not positive, but I think Kelvin Sampson's recruits had some extenuating circumstances given the situation and were given a break on having to sit the year out, but would have had to in a normal situation, ie a coach just taking another job.

On another note, as I mentioned before, I would LOVE to see Calipari at UK just for the Pitino/Calipari rivalry to hit the dangerous level. Those two do not care for each other and I think from recruiting to the on-court battles this would go from one of the best to the absolute most intriguing rivalry in college hoops.

[bobbyboucher]

Memphis has received permission to speak to Mike Anderson. Apparently his wife is from Memphis (Anderson makes 800k at Mizzou).


The carousel is about to get going into high gear. It's gonna be sweet as long as Sean stays put.

[Muskie]

I'm not positive, but I think Kelvin Sampson's recruits had some extenuating circumstances given the situation and were given a break on having to sit the year out, but would have had to in a normal situation, ie a coach just taking another job.

On another note, as I mentioned before, I would LOVE to see Calipari at UK just for the Pitino/Calipari rivalry to hit the dangerous level. Those two do not care for each other and I think from recruiting to the on-court battles this would go from one of the best to the absolute most intriguing rivalry in college hoops.

Holloway asked for and received his release from Indiana. So that's why he didn't sit out one year.

[PMI]

$6.67 million per year from UK to Calipari.

Insane. It's amazing how much these boosters can come up with. Where is it coming from? I won't blatantly suggest meth labs but let's not act like these are donations from dentists either.

[Muskie]

The carousel is about to get going into high gear. It's gonna be sweet as long as Sean stays put.

Updated the list to include Calipari to UK and the Memphis gig now being open.

[coasterville95]

Thats a rapid fire development - leading to the premise that these things are done as was hinted at - agents call agents, agents ask coaches, coaches say yay/nay, agents report back to AD's , AD's "Request to speak permission", Coach is brought onto new schools campus, deal is signed, press release happens.

Makes me think 'unofficially' Calipari had warned Memphis. and thus if the "permission to speak has been granted", its likely the Mike Anderson to Memphis is a done deal as well. And the carousel turns. Then again Katz said Bobinski 'granted' two schools 'permission to speak to Miller' but also let them know they were wasting their breath.

I'm bewildered by the whole "Permission to speak" concept, is that in place to try to slow down the coaching carousel? Imagine if when you wanted a career/employer change, your new employer had to seek the permission of your current employer? Especialy since its clear that every coach has a third party that is not bound to the regulations that do all the communication under the table therefore making the whole thing moot, or the fact that if the goal was to slow down the carousel it hasn't done a thing.

[golfitup]

Kentucky is in serious trouble as a state as far as debt is concerned too. Good times...

[Muskie]

I read somewhere that Mike Anderson is also speaking to UGA (somebody better be prepared to be used as leverage).

[Steve A]

I sure bet a whole lot of good could be done academically with 6.7 million dollars a year. But this is Kentucky, right? Why start pretending education matters now?

[xsteve1]

Look for Tony Barbee (former UMASS player, Memphis asst and current coach at UTEP) to get the Memphis job if Cal really ends up at UK.

[sweet16]

$6.67 million per year from UK to Calipari.

You know, when you stop and think about it, that's really sad.......almost $7million/year to coach basketball at a STATE school. Talk about having our priorities out-of-whack. Hey UK, why don't you put $5million into cancer research, or provide academic scholarships to an additional 300 students per year, or protect the jobs of University employees who are getting laid off.

[GuyFawkes38]

You know, when you stop and think about it, that's really sad.......almost $7million/year to coach basketball at a STATE school. Talk about having our priorities out-of-whack. Hey UK, why don't you put $5million into cancer research, or provide academic scholarships to an additional 300 students per year, or protect the jobs of University employees who are getting laid off.

Reminds me of the Alabama situation.

[Muskie]

Look for Tony Barbee (former UMASS player, Memphis asst and current coach at UTEP) to get the Memphis job if Cal really ends up at UK.

Really. I think Memphis fans would riot if that's who they end up with. Maybe I'm completely wrong, but I think they have their eyes set higher.

[golfitup]

This is all just insane to me. He's already making over 3 MILLION a year at Memphis. Talk about feeding the ego, my god.

[STL_XUfan]

The other issue with this is it sets an unreal precedent for other schools. IMHO coaches salaries have hit a point where they are just absurd. How quickly was that bar raised from 1 million to 2.5 million now to 6 million.

It makes you sick to think how this money is just being thrown around while all of these schools are having to make financial cut backs. I know the argument is that these sports teams bring in big money and therefore should need big money spent on them. I am all for that, but sooner or later (lets say 6 million dollars later) it has hit a point where the pay level is just unreal and excessive. If you want to pay him 2 million, fine (well slightly less awful), but 6 million, I hope they publicly are ripped apart for going out and more than doubling the next closet coach.

Kentucky is in a world of their own. I hope this blows up in their face and they can't afford the buy out and have to swallow it.

[coasterville95]

Sadly the purity of the college game is slipping out from under us. I know the money is most likely coming from the boosters club or the like but still to think that somebody is making 6.7 mill a year working for a university and is in no way advancng the academics or research pursuits of the school is more than a little bit disgusting.

I know, you will tell me I have to look at the downstream implications, but doesn't Rupp already sell out most nights, if so how much more direct revenue can the sport bring in, can it bring in enough to cover the difference between Billy G's salary and Calipari's salary?

Rupp seats what 24K, lets say 15 games brings in 360K fans a year, and we estimate the difference in a Billy G paycheck and a Cal paycheck at 4 million a year, I guess they could raise all ticket prices $12 and cover it.

One poster on CP said Cal will "Play anyone, anytime, anywhere" - Seems to me if Cal makes that statement himself we should put that statement to the test. We could start big and request a game at Cintas, even a home and home would be worth it. They might balk at our arena size, but couldn't hurt and its not like we don't have options for places to play.

I can't wait for the UK/Louisville game next season! I hear their is enough animosity between Pitino and Calipari to make the no handshake game look like a youth league misunderstanding.

[coasterville95]

Wanted to add, imagine after Cal's first home loss the reporter who pulls a U Conn and says "Our Commonwealth is bankrupt, our schools are bankrupt and poorly rated, we are laying off employees at UK by the busload, how do you justify your salary?"

[golfitup]

One poster on CP said Cal will "Play anyone, anytime, anywhere" - Seems to me if Cal makes that statement himself we should put that statement to the test. We could start big and request a game at Cintas, even a home and home would be worth it. They might balk at our arena size, but couldn't hurt and its not like we don't have options for places to play.

Well, i still remember that Bobinski interview last year when he said they offered Kentucky a 4 and 1 series, as in we play at Kentucky four times and they play at Cintas 1 time. And they still wouldn't do it. So I think we can write Kentucky off the list of potential teams to play. Unless of course it's in the tournament.

[XUglow]

I wouldn't worry about how UK is going to pay the money. They had 22,000 people online a few minutes ago. I imagine the calls to join the booster club or to up the donation level of existing members are way up.

Read the boards. That is one energized fan base.

[94GRAD]

Newest rumor is Kentucky is going to pay him 25mil for 5 years.

[GoMuskies]

That's just crazy money - wasn't the old record something like 3.5 Mil?

"There's only so much money a man needs" - Forrest Gump.

You know what they say: How much is enough? Answer: A little bit more.

[BBC 08]

Didn't see it posted but Bennet is now the head coach at UVa: http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6271764/14290304

[D-West & PO-Z]

I'm not positive, but I think Kelvin Sampson's recruits had some extenuating circumstances given the situation and were given a break on having to sit the year out, but would have had to in a normal situation, ie a coach just taking another job.

On another note, as I mentioned before, I would LOVE to see Calipari at UK just for the Pitino/Calipari rivalry to hit the dangerous level. Those two do not care for each other and I think from recruiting to the on-court battles this would go from one of the best to the absolute most intriguing rivalry in college hoops.

No, I am almost positive that if a recruit is let out of his LOI he is free to go wherever, unless there is a place they restrict, without having to sit out a year.

[XU05and07]

Again I find myself rooting that Cats Pause biggest nightmare (of the day) is about to come true. That would be that Calipari says all the right things to UK, then goes back to Memphis to settle his affairs, and by settle his affairs I mean renegotiate his contract. Then in 24-48 hours he can call up Lexington and say "Memphis matched your offer, so I'll just stay put" at which point UK can counter offer, then Memphis can counter offer ad nauseum until one of the schools runs out of money, then Calipari goes to whichever school he truly wants to be at (Please be Memphis) with a lot bigger paycheck.

Actually as long as Cal can give UK and its delusional fanbase strong feeling that he is coming there, and then crush those dreams 2 days later would be fine with me!

I am with those that want a long drawn out affair during wich time the players bolt for greener pastures, and by the time all is said and done the only coaches available are Mick Cronin or the guy Georgia kicked out mid season - take your pick.

They could then steal Mick Cronin away from UC, say in like July, leaving UC with the choice between Gillespie or the guy Georgia threw out mid season. Between that and Gregory's recent long term contract extension, we'd be the winners. Oh, and the cat's pause board would be full of entertainment as well.

Now that they seem closer to a deal, it would be great if Calipari pulled a Donovan or Altman and backs out a day later...that would put UK on suicide watch

[XUglow]

No, I am almost positive that if a recruit is let out of his LOI he is free to go wherever, unless there is a place they restrict, without having to sit out a year.

That is correct. Before you actually enter school, you have only signed an LOI. If the school does not release you, you sit out a year and lose a year of eligibility. If the school does release you, you are fully released. There is no in between status with the LOI. The rules are a bit diffrent once you become a scholarship player.

[STL_XUfan]

Didn't see it posted but Bennet is now the head coach at UVa: http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6271764/14290304


And put Wazzu up on the big board.

[Masterofreality]

Didn't see it posted but Bennett is now the head coach at UVa: http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6271764/14290304

Uh, oh. Look out Gone-zaga.

I don't know if Few would have gone to Arizona, but Pullman, Washington is only 65 miles from Spokane. He could still hunt and fish and maybe wouldn't even have to relocate the family- except to a bigger house halfway between the two places.

Bigger league, more money, same recruits. Pargo and Heyfelt graduating. Better get a search party and a checkbook together Zags

[Muskie]

Tony Bennett getting out of town before his luster wears off? Updated and Thanks!

[GoMuskies]

Timing does sort of seem right for Few to leave. Things have gone a bit stale in Zagland. This was supposed to be their best team ever, and it didn't really work out.

[Cincy Muskie]

MOR,

I would liken the Zags situation to ours. Washington State is a crap D1 basketball job IMO. Few has it better in Spokane. I also think he should hold out for an offer from Arizona. Selfishly I want Mark Few to go there so Jamie Dixon is left alone.

[xuab]

Here's the link (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/11315259) to the CBS page that lists all the changes.

[danaandvictory]

Uh, oh. Look out Gone-zaga.

I don't know if Few would have gone to Arizona, but Pullman, Washington is only 65 miles from Spokane. He could still hunt and fish and maybe wouldn't even have to relocate the family- except to a bigger house halfway between the two places.

I realize you hate Gonzaga but there's no way Few is that insane. If he's really looking to leave, he can put the rod and reel in the garage for a few years and take over a rudderless juggernaut in Tucson.

[XBR1]

SIGNED LETTER OF INTENT Pos Stars Ht Wt RR Video Hometown
Will Coleman PF 6-9 230 - Miami, FL
Nolan Dennis SG 6-5 185 - North Richland Hills, TX
Darnell Dodson SF 6-7 215 - Miami, FL
Xavier Henry SG 6-6 210 - Oklahoma City, OK

COMMITTED/NOT YET SIGNED Pos Stars Ht Wt RR Video Hometown
DeMarcus Cousins PF 6-9 250 - Mobile, AL

Well then Andy Katz has it wrong. He was on sportscenter today saying only Xavier has signed an LOI.

[Masterofreality]

I realize you hate Gonzaga but there's no way Few is that insane. If he's really looking to leave, he can put the rod and reel in the garage for a few years and take over a rudderless juggernaut in Tucson.


Nah, I don't hate 'em- just want them to be looked at with reality. I do have a thing about that. The only "hate" object I have in College Basketball resides now in Morgantown, WV. I only hate people with no principles and ethics- especially those who seem to be given a free pass. The Zags aren't that, but they sure seem to get unearned love.

It does seem that there are "Few" options out there. Arizona does seem more attractive. Both Wazzou and 'Zona will be rebuilding projects. The weather sure is better in Tucson, however.

[danaandvictory]

If Anderson heads to Memphis or Georgia I have a feeling Mark Fox of Nevada might take the Missouri job.

[danaandvictory]

Nah, I don't hate 'em- just want them to be looked at with reality. I do have a thing about that.

That's not Gonzaga's fault, though. There's probably a good explanation out there for why Gonzaga became ESPN's small-school darling (I submit that it has something to do with ESPN televising the WCC late night) but I don't think it's fair to criticize their program for the overexposure.

(They should be criticized for their annoying habit of chest-beating "anyone, anytime" bravado and then misplacing the phone when Xavier offers to present in Spokane on a date of their choice.)

[STL_XUfan]

If Anderson heads to Memphis or Georgia I have a feeling Mark Fox of Nevada might take the Missouri job.

That would be an interesting thought, any reasoning behind the feeling or is it just a gut feeling.

Hopefully Anderson doesn't leave Mizzou, he has done a great job so far and I think he can really make Mizzou basketball relevant again.

(best comment I have seen from the Mizzou fan base is "Sign Anderson for life, and then just kill him if doesn't win enough games one season". Tounge firmly in cheek, but that just seems to be the actual view point of the UK fan base)

[danaandvictory]

That would be an interesting thought, any reasoning behind the feeling or is it just a gut feeling.

Spitballing with some circumstantial reasoning. Fox is from western Kansas and played JC ball there and was an assistant to Tom Asbury at K-State for seven years. I believe his wife is from Missouri. A few years ago there was a lot of talk about Fox taking the Nebraska job due to his Big Twelve connections, but I think he shied away from leaving Reno because he had a potential Top 10 team back (with Fazekas, Kemp, Sessions et al).

[GoMuskies]

Has Calipari already committed his first recruiting violation as UK head coach? I heard Andy Katz on ESPN Radio saying that Calipari told him that Cousins would follow him to UK. Isn't it a violation for a coach to comment to the media about a player who has not signed an LOI?

[MHettel]

Mark Few is NOT going to WSU. Pulman is 65 miles from Spokevegas, but consider Spokevegas is teh closest thing to Pulman for hundreds of miles.

i lived in Spokevegas for 2.5 years. It's a nice town, but out there. Pulman is a freaking outpost. nothing for hours, and hours, and hours....

[DoubleD86]

I know there has been a little bit of talk about this, but if Calipari to UK is for real, this could have HUGE implications on Memphis' basketball program. If they do not get another top-notch recruiter, what is going to keep them afloat? Assuming most of the recruits bail, and Wall may then choose UK too (by the way, UK could be absolutely amazing if Henry, Cousins, and Wall all go to UK) what is Memphis left with. The reason Memphis is what it is was/is Calipari. Once that stops, what is going to keep Memphis from falling into mediocrity in the C-USA?

I think it is very possible to see Memphis 4 years from now being irrelevant in college basketball.

The coaching that they hire to replace Calipari could very well be make or break for the program.

[Masterofreality]

Mark Few is NOT going to WSU. Pulman is 65 miles from Spokevegas, but consider Spokevegas is teh closest thing to Pulman for hundreds of miles.

i lived in Spokevegas for 2.5 years. It's a nice town, but out there. Pulman is a freaking outpost. nothing for hours, and hours, and hours....

Ok, Hett,

You are officially named 'Western Beat Reporter" for Xavier Hoops dot com. Any rumor, innuendo, reckless finger pointing or mindless accusation must be posted here by you immediately.

FEWATCH 2009 is now in full effect.

[coasterville95]

Has Calipari already committed his first recruiting violation as UK head coach? I heard Andy Katz on ESPN Radio saying that Calipari told him that Cousins would follow him to UK. Isn't it a violation for a coach to comment to the media about a player who has not signed an LOI?

I don't know if he could use the defense that he said that as the Memphis head coach, not the UK head coach. Still seems pretty rotten to boast "I'm moving to UK and I'm taking my players with me"

If he DOES commit NCAA violations, let's hope he gets busted AFTER a Final Four win so that Cats Pause and the rest of the UK fan community can deal with the shame that comes with having big time tournament wins expunged frrom your record by the NCAA. Just ask UMass.

BTW: There seems to be a warning of just this time in today's paper, and the comments so far are almost all being abusive to the reporter. The irony is one of the commenters accused the reporer for having thier head up their butt when they seem to not comprehend that they are reportig facts when it comes to Cal's sullied past with the NCAA.

Yeah, if I can't have my wish that Cal pulls a Donovan or Altman on UK, maybe a few stripped high profile games might do the trick.

Reports out of UK are that negotiations went into the night and the offer wasn't acceptepted yet, says Coach Cal decided to go "sleep on it". Of course the Cat's Pause people think this merely mean they have to "fluff his pillow" a little bit more. As in okay - $35 million over 5 years and you have to sleep on it!?!, maybe $40 million over 5 years is the answer!)

Note: I'm usually not this vindictive but after they ran the guy out that took them to a national title, and was still getting them to the NCAA every year, I wanted their program to hit some speed bumps to try to let the fans know how good they had it, the more delusional and self-righteous their fan base gets, the more I want to see their program fail. Besides, sadly its the off season, and all this drama sure is keeping Cats Pause entertaining. Note that said delussional fans can't understand why fans of other schools find their board so entertaining.

[sweet16]

[QUOTE=coasterville95;112116]Sadly the purity of the college game is slipping out from under us. I know the money is most likely coming from the boosters club or the like but still to think that somebody is making 6.7 mill a year working for a university and is in no way advancng the academics or research pursuits of the school is more than a little bit disgusting.

I agree with you 1000%. Some will say, ah you're just being naive. Well here's the problem I have with all of this......this country is going to hell in a handbasket and it's my generation's fault for not displaying some fucking restraint, some fiscal responsibilty and some common sense. I think it's just one more sad indictment of our society when people are willing to donate to further the athletic pursuit of a university (or help pay this kind of salary) when those same disposable funds could go to research, scholarships, the general operating fund or the endowment. I wonder if UK's charter says anything AT ALL about athletics.........I don't know but I bet it says something to the effect of, our mssion is to educate the people of KY.

[DAllen15]

We fans do the same thing as UK's doing all the time. We'll pass by a homeless guy and give him a buck, and then shell out $40-50 bucks (or more) to see an MLB/NBA/NFL game. If UK should be spending more money on its academics and less on its coaches, then we, too, should be giving more money to charitable causes and spending less on our own trivial pursuits. But that's not likely to happen, either.

[coasterville95]

We fans do the same thing as UK's doing all the time. We'll pass by a homeless guy and give him a buck, and then shell out $40-50 bucks (or more) to see an MLB/NBA/NFL game. If UK should be spending more money on its academics and less on its coaches, then we, too, should be giving more money to charitable causes and spending less on our own trivial pursuits. But that's not likely to happen, either.

I don't think this analogy quite fits, now if you were to say that we promoted ourselves as a charity whose charitable mission was to help the homeless, and we solicited tax dollars and donations on that pretense, THEN spent the money on Reds, Bengals, and Jimmy Buffet tickets then you'd be spot on.

Folks in Kentucky think they are paying taxes for a Commonwealth run university for the purposes of educating the youth of the Commonwealth.

[sweet16]

We fans do the same thing as UK's doing all the time. We'll pass by a homeless guy and give him a buck, and then shell out $40-50 bucks (or more) to see an MLB/NBA/NFL game. If UK should be spending more money on its academics and less on its coaches, then we, too, should be giving more money to charitable causes and spending less on our own trivial pursuits. But that's not likely to happen, either.

Broaden the concept......it's not just the homeless guy. Why not our educational system, research, infrastructure, entrepreneurship? Greed and ego has fueled this mess and the entertainment industry (including sports) is the poster child. In these economic times this could turn into a huge black eye for UK if the payout to Billy G. ends up being several million and Cal signs for $5 or $6million (not to mention, does UK also assist in paying penalties to Memphis for Cal's early departure).

[The Artist]

Can you guys take your hippie charity/acadmeics is better than athletics BS somewhere else - meaning to another thread? I had to hear it for four years while at X, and don't want to have to read it in an otherwise interesting thread. :)

[XUglow]

I don't think this analogy quite fits, now if you were to say that we promoted ourselves as a charity whose charitable mission was to help the homeless, and we solicited tax dollars and donations on that pretense, THEN spent the money on Reds, Bengals, and Jimmy Buffet tickets then you'd be spot on.

Folks in Kentucky think they are paying taxes for a Commonwealth run university for the purposes of educating the youth of the Commonwealth.

The "extra" money that coaches earn does not come from the general fund. I doubt that anyone in Kentucky contributes to their booster club with the hope that the money is going to the general fund for education.

[The Artist]

The "extra" money that coaches earn does not come from the general fund. I doubt that anyone in Kentucky contributes to their booster club with the hope that the money is going to the general fund for education.

word.........

[sweet16]

The "extra" money that coaches earn does not come from the general fund. I doubt that anyone in Kentucky contributes to their booster club with the hope that the money is going to the general fund for education.


I would tell you why this logic is flawed but The Artist has asked that I take my "hippie charity/academics is better than athletics BS" somewhere else. Oh and by the way, I think The Artist's argument would have been alot stronger if he hadn't mispelled "academics":)

[The Artist]

I would tell you why this logic is flawed but The Artist has asked that I take my "hippie charity/academics is better than athletics BS" somewhere else. Oh and by the way, I think The Artist's argument would have been alot stronger if he hadn't mispelled "academics":)

Ok, I'll invite you to respond then. Please provide an analysis of how this argument is flawed, also taking into account the amount of money that the basketball program brings into the school.

In order to convince me/us, you are going to have to show the following:

1) Provide the amount of money that the school (outside of athletics) must provide the basketball program
2) Provide the amount of money that the basketball program brings in for the school
3) Somehow place a dollar amount on the exposure/marketing effect that the basketball program has on the school.
4) Show that (1) > (2) + (3)

All I'll say is, good luck. We haven't even talked about the economic impact on the campus restaurants, hotels, etc on game days. Merchandise would fall under the marketing thing listed above.

[The Artist]

I would tell you why this logic is flawed but The Artist has asked that I take my "hippie charity/academics is better than athletics BS" somewhere else. Oh and by the way, I think The Artist's argument would have been alot stronger if he hadn't mispelled "academics":)

And maybe if Xavier hadn't spent so much money on the basektball program they could have focused on teaching me how to spell such words! :)

[DAllen15]

<<Folks in Kentucky think they are paying taxes for a Commonwealth run university for the purposes of educating the youth of the Commonwealth.>>

I'm sure there's disagreement among Kentucky taxpayers/voters, but it's pretty much their decision how they want to spend their tax dollars. If enough of them don't like it, they can always vote out their elected representatives. I don't recall any taxpayer rebellions in Kentucky over money spent to bring in a big-name coach to UK.

[Xman95]

I'm just wondering, does anyone feel that the NCAA should cap the salaries of coaches? Maybe put a limit of $2mil per season for all institutions (obviously coaches already making more would have some sort of clause protecting their current salary). Even if it's not limiting an individual coach but putting limit on the total paid to the entire staff. I mean, in most cases we are talking about taxpayers's money. And, if salaries are capped, doesn't it make for a more level playing field? Shouldn't the Fordhams and Cleveland States of the NCAA world be able to compete with the Kentuckys and North Carolinas?

The reason I ask this is because, as a Yankees fan, I constantly have to hear about how MLB needs to install a salary cap to make things equal. The little markets need to be able to compete with the large ones. So, if this is the general belief, shouldn't the same be said for college athletics, where it's supposed to be about the students/athletes?

[American X]

Timing does sort of seem right for Few to leave. Things have gone a bit stale in Zagland. This was supposed to be their best team ever, and it didn't really work out.

I am a big admirer of the Martellis, Altmans, and Fews of this college basketball world. But if Arizona comes calling, I really do not know what Mark Few is waiting for this time.

Arizona is the second most prestigious program in the Western half of the United States and the coach at the first is not going anywhere.

[DAllen15]

One of the talking heads on ESPN Radio said that Few to Arizona is a natural.

[Juice]

Tony Bennet is taking the UVA job, according to Gary Parrish of cbssports.com.

[sweet16]

Ok, I'll invite you to respond then. Please provide an analysis of how this argument is flawed, also taking into account the amount of money that the basketball program brings into the school.

In order to convince me/us, you are going to have to show the following:

1) Provide the amount of money that the school (outside of athletics) must provide the basketball program
2) Provide the amount of money that the basketball program brings in for the school
3) Somehow place a dollar amount on the exposure/marketing effect that the basketball program has on the school.
4) Show that (1) > (2) + (3)

All I'll say is, good luck. We haven't even talked about the economic impact on the campus restaurants, hotels, etc on game days. Merchandise would fall under the marketing thing listed above.

It's flawed because the original response and even the analysis you're suggesting are both outside the parameters of the basic premise. You can argue that the premise is wrong but you can't attack it by mutating the definition. Specifically, the premise is metaphysical by nature and deals directly with the human condition. The question is not how should booster contributions be spent (ie. the "extra money" for coaches) but rather, why do we direct our disposable incomes towards athletics instead of towards research, endowment, etc?

[The Artist]

It's flawed because the original response and even the analysis you're suggesting are both outside the parameters of the basic premise. You can argue that the premise is wrong but you can't attack it by mutating the definition. Specifically, the premise is metaphysical by nature and deals directly with the human condition. The question is not how should booster contributions be spent (ie. the "extra money" for coaches) but rather, why do we direct our disposable incomes towards athletics instead of towards research, endowment, etc?

Ok then, that's simple enough.

People are going to spend money on things that they're passionate about.

[BBC 08]

Georgia is offering Mizzou's Anderson: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4029709

Nothing official yet.

[XU 87]

Unless Georgia is paying a lot more money, I'm not sure why he takes that job.

[xsteve1]

take the UK job already Calipari.

[GoMuskies]

There is still hope that Calipari will turn UK down. He is supposed to decide today according to the Memphis paper. It would be SO beautiful if he says thanks, but no thanks!

[xsteve1]

There is still hope that Calipari will turn UK down. He is supposed to decide today according to the Memphis paper. It would be SO beautiful if he says thanks, but no thanks!

why then Miller is probably the next in line.

[GoMuskies]

why then Miller is probably the next in line.

Highly doubtful.

[BBC 08]

Florida Assistant Shaka Smart is now the VCU coach: http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6271764/14299835

[DAllen15]

Mark Story of the Lexington Herald-Leader was on Dan Patrick's show this morning, and after Calipari, he mentioned
(1) Travis Ford and John Pelphrey as former UK players who are likely on the short list, (2) Miller as a "really interesting" choice, and (3) said there was some talk that Mitch Barnhart was a Thad Matta fan.

Story also talked about a factor in bringing in Calipari was to what extent he would be able to bring in his players/recruits as well.

Story said that Gillespie may be the first coach in history to lose a job because of being "a little weird". When asked to describe what he meant, Story couldn't really put his finger on it, but mentioned multiple specific instances of Gillespie not really interacting well with people, including fans and alums, and/or reacting in ways you wouldn't expect.

[XU-XHI]

Calipari goes to UK . Link (http://www.whas11.com/justposted/stories/whas11-topstory-090330-calipari-uk-coach.87f62981.html)

[Tardy Turtle]

why do we direct our disposable incomes towards athletics instead of towards research, endowment, etc?

I dig chicks who spend disposable income towards endowment. Research, not so much.

[GoMuskies]

Calipari goes to UK . Link (http://www.whas11.com/justposted/stories/whas11-topstory-090330-calipari-uk-coach.87f62981.html)

Way old news. He's still contemplating according to this morning's stories.

[LyonsIsFlyin]

Mike Anderson supposedly offered the Gerogia job @ 2mil a year. I don't know if I'd take on that challenge even for that much honestly, especially with it reported Mizzuo ready to go up to 1.2mil a year, still has Memphis too, I think it'd be a mistake...

[Raoul Duke]

I'm not positive, but I think Kelvin Sampson's recruits had some extenuating circumstances given the situation and were given a break on having to sit the year out, but would have had to in a normal situation, ie a coach just taking another job.

On another note, as I mentioned before, I would LOVE to see Calipari at UK just for the Pitino/Calipari rivalry to hit the dangerous level. Those two do not care for each other and I think from recruiting to the on-court battles this would go from one of the best to the absolute most intriguing rivalry in college hoops.

I like how I keep reading that Calipari and Pitino don't care for each other.


Yes, but there's just something about him. Something around the eyes, I don't know, reminds me of... me. No. I'm sure of it, I hate him.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g184/MareBear1962/Celebrities/ValasDocHoliday.jpg

[Pete Delkus]

Mike Anderson supposedly offered the Gerogia job @ 2mil a year. I don't know if I'd take on that challenge even for that much honestly, especially with it reported Mizzuo ready to go up to 1.2mil a year, still has Memphis too, I think it'd be a mistake...

If money was close...
I would do
1)Memphis
2)Mizzou
3)Georgia

[XU05and07]

I like how I keep reading that Calipari and Pitino don't care for each other.


Maybe they can have a spat like Cheney and Calipari did...Makes me laugh everytime (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51-4sJTf7iQ)

[golfitup]

UK has the worst school slogan of all-time. It's "America's next great universtiy."

[Muskie]

If money was close...
I would do
1)Memphis
2)Mizzou
3)Georgia


Really Pete? You'd go to UGA? I would think a job in the Big 12 (where my team is decent) is better than going to the Memphis.

[PMI]

I would definitely go to Mizzou because of the Big XII, being at a hoops school, having the KU rivalry, etc. Next I'd go to Memphis because you will have some great talent to work with initially which would be easier to build off then most places. They are in the CUSA and probably will never be the same without Calipari, but it's still number 2. I would NOT go to Georgia. In fact, they offered me and I turned down.

[GuyFawkes38]

Per Dustin Dow, This is simply awesome:

http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/generic/video/streaming_1/Live_Stream_1

yes, a live stream on the calipari situation. not really informative. but yeah. I love fox news.

[GuyFawkes38]

I'm following this via Twitter:

http://twitter.com/search?q=calipari&source=navbar&category=search

Apparently Calipari has left his house either to board a plane for Lexington or pick up dinner.

[xuab]

Per Dustin Dow, This is simply awesome:

http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/generic/video/streaming_1/Live_Stream_1

yes, a live stream on the calipari situation. not really informative. but yeah. I love fox news.

They actually have 2 live streams. One on the door on campus and one on the gate to his house. This is nuts. The fox memphis website has breaking news that UK sent a plane to pick up Cal. Who knows what's true in all of this. I agree- if I knew it wouldn't affect Sean, I'd love to see Cal stay at Memphis.

[golfitup]

It's finally "official" that Cal is headed to UK. This is pretty much giving the death penalty to Memphis.

[XU 87]

It's finally "official" that Cal is headed to UK. This is pretty much giving the death penalty to Memphis.

Where did you see this?

[golfitup]

Where did you see this?

I happened to be watching Sportscenter and they had the beat reporter from the Memphis Commercial Appeal on and he announced it live on air that it was official.

[golfitup]

Let's keep all the coaching talk for all of the jobs that open up in this thread. All other coaching threads will be closed and directed to this one. Thanks for everyone's cooperation.

Alabama: Anthony Grant (HC Virginia Commonwealth)
Appalachian State:
Arizona:
Boston University:
Cal-Poly:
Elon: Matt Matheny (Davidson Asst.)
Georgia:
High Point: Scott Cherry (South Carolina Asst.)
Kentucky: John Calipari (HC Memphis)
Memphis:
North Florida:
North Carolina-Central: LeVelle Moton
Southeast Missouri St.: Dickey Nutt (former ARK ST HC)
Tennessee State: John Cooper (Auburn Asst.)
Texas - Pan American:
Virginia: Tony Bennett (HC Washington St).
Virginia Commonwealth: Shaka Smart (Florida Asst.)
Washington St.:


I wish my name was either Dickey Nutt or Shaka Smart.

Obviously, Arizona is the last last major domino to fall.

[bobbiemcgee]

150k a game.

[coasterville95]

I saw that on Cats Pause, there were numerous threads about a live webcam on "The Door" I wonder if it was a green door (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msIuhv1yS3M)?

That would fit UK's fanbase well right now: "Midnight, one more night without sleeping/ Watching, till the morning comes creeping/ Green Door what's that secret your keeping?"

[bobbiemcgee]

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/mar/31/memphis-tigers-coach-john-calipari-will-take/

[GoMuskies]

Obviously, Arizona is the last last major domino to fall.

Memphis is still a pretty big domino, too.....and the NBA offseason is coming soon. There could be more big jobs coming open.

[XUglow]

This is pretty much giving the death penalty to Memphis.

Memphis is a basketball school. They will be fine. Memphis, the city, produces great basketball talent. Memphis, the school, has great talent in the program, has great recruits already signed up, and plays in the beautiful FedEx Forum. They probably will be able to find a pretty good replacement for Calipari.

[golfitup]

Memphis is a basketball school. They will be fine. Memphis, the city, produces great basketball talent. Memphis, the school, has great talent in the program, has great recruits already signed up, and plays in the beautiful FedEx Forum. They probably will be able to find a pretty good replacement for Calipari.

In the long run you may be right, but in the short term this is a HUGE blow to Memphis. It was very disappointing for them to bow out in the sweet 16 but consoling to know they probably had 3 of the top 6 players in the country coming in to suit up next year. And just like that, they're gone. You know those players are going to follow Calipari to UK. And there's already rumors of transfers to UK as well. Basically, Memphis now has a lost class of recruits like UC a few years ago. This new hire for them is critical for their long term sustainability in the college ranks.

[GuyFawkes38]

Without a doubt, Memphis has the donor base to build top notch facilities and attract a high profile coach (where do these donors come from?...Fed X?). And that's big. Also, unlike UC, the basketball program doesn't have to compete for funds against the football program.

Memphis also lies on good recruiting grounds (which Calipari curiously bypassed for most of his tenure).

[xsteve1]

If I was Memphis I'd give an interview to Ron Everhart.

[D-West & PO-Z]

In the long run you may be right, but in the short term this is a HUGE blow to Memphis. It was very disappointing for them to bow out in the sweet 16 but consoling to know they probably had 3 of the top 6 players in the country coming in to suit up next year. And just like that, they're gone. You know those players are going to follow Calipari to UK. And there's already rumors of transfers to UK as well. Basically, Memphis now has a lost class of recruits like UC a few years ago. This new hire for them is critical for their long term sustainability in the college ranks.

Memphis can choose not to release the recruits who have signed and wait until they sign a new coach and have the players meet with him and see if they like the new coach and he can convince them to stay. So they have that part going for them and hopefully for them the can make a good hire that will convince those on the team not to transfer and those signed to to ask out.

[Stonebreaker]

If I was Memphis I'd give an interview to Ron Everhart.

Isn't he the Anchorman?


BTW-Memphis is screwed. They don't need a decent coach, they need a homecrun quickly or things will go south just as fast.

[DoubleD86]

Memphis can choose not to release the recruits who have signed and wait until they sign a new coach and have the players meet with him and see if they like the new coach and he can convince them to stay. So they have that part going for them and hopefully for them the can make a good hire that will convince those on the team not to transfer and those signed to to ask out.


Unfortunately this is not true. Demarcus Cousins is a verbal commit, not a signed commit. He is free to leave Memphis and has said he will. Xavier Henry does have a signed LOI, but in it there is a clause that if Calipari would leave, he was free to leave, and he has said he will reopen his recruiting.

Wall will NOT go to Memphis anymore. I have heard that at least 3 players say they will transfer. The other recruits may try to leave.

This is going to hit Memphis HARD! There will be very little talent left, and they are going to have to start from scratch a la UC or IU.

[XU05and07]

Unfortunately this is not true. Demarcus Cousins is a verbal commit, not a signed commit. He is free to leave Memphis and has said he will. Xavier Henry does have a signed LOI, but in it there is a clause that if Calipari would leave, he was free to leave, and he has said he will reopen his recruiting.

Wall will NOT go to Memphis anymore. I have heard that at least 3 players say they will transfer. The other recruits may try to leave.

This is going to hit Memphis HARD! There will be very little talent left, and they are going to have to start from scratch a la UC or IU.


And with that...UAB becomes the favorite out of CUSA...big day for UAB!!!

[GoMuskies]

And with that...UAB becomes the favorite out of CUSA...big day for UAB!!!

Maybe Cousins will decide to re-commit to UAB now.