Florida State

[Masterofreality]

Ok, so Florida State beat North Carolina today and will go to the ACC Championship game and the NCAA.

Florida State is also involved in a significant investigation as to a huge academic fraud scandal that stretches across from football, through basketball to baseball and all the way down through its athletic program. This is a scandal involving very recent activity. The only penalties that have been assessed have been the forfiture of some games and "probation" but no ban to post-season play. Other smaller schools such as Prarie View have been given bans besides probation in the past. It would appear that the school has been aware and complicit in the fraud activity.

Anybody wonder why Florida State shouldn't be held to the same high standards, especially when it comes to "student athletes" and education as other schools who have been severely penalized - like a post season play ban?

[joe titan]

MOR: Do not overlook FSU has history of problems--they are not exactly first offenders.

[coasterville95]

I know they vacated their football season

If there is real cause to believe they will need to vacate the basketball season the proper thing to do would be to decline any post season play before it takes chances away from more deserving teams

Imagine if a they vacate basketball then sUCks finishes the big east 9-9.

Trying to post from iPhone so excuse bad typing.

[AviatorX]

I know they vacated their football season

If there is real cause to believe they will need to vacate the basketball season the proper thing to do would be to decline any post season play before it takes chances away from more deserving teams

Imagine if a they vacate basketball then sUCks finishes the big east 9-9.

Trying to post from iPhone so excuse bad typing.

Care to explain how that would happen?

I have a feeling the only serious punishment will be on the gridiron for the Seminoles, and as I've said repeatedly on this board, FSU is legit this year and I could see them making a very deep run.

[coasterville95]

Not that hard. It's been stated the acedmic issues could spread to basketball. If so the standard punisment is to vacate any games involving those players. That would get them to 9-9.

[AviatorX]

Not that hard. It's been stated the acedmic issues could spread to basketball. If so the standard punisment is to vacate any games involving those players. That would get them to 9-9.

Since when does a win over FSU qualify as a Big East win? Not that hard.

[coasterville95]

Mea culpa

Getting all those florida schools confused

[Fred Garvin]

Coaster inadvertently brings up a good example. UC basketball was screwed in this scenario the year they went to the Final Four. They lost in the semis to a Michigan team that ultimately had to vacate all their wins.

[wkrq59]

First let's realize several facts.
FSU has been found guilty of the two violations of rules that body considers most serious: ACADEMIC FRAUD AND LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL.
All 10 major men's and women's programs have been found guilty of those violations. That includes the basketball team. The complete penalty phase is not finished and all appeals have not been resolved. FSU may appear in the NCAA tournament but their victories in that tournament may later be forfeit and any monies they would have received for participation will have to be repaid.
If the NCAA enforces tose two major infractions as it should Florida State should receive the death penalty and competition in all athletic programs should be suspended for one academic year.
BUT THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN because the FSU programs, especially men's and women's basketball, football and baseball make too damned much money for FSU, the ACC schools and, yes, the NCAA which shares in the merchandise sales and marketing money FSU receives for its logoed items. Bowl games involving FSU, a school which routinely travels well, (35,000 to 40,000 to an away game and/or bowl) means more money to the NCAA and the ACC schools.
So a few major sports may have to forfeit a few victories retroactively. but no team will miss a post-season tournament or a TV appearance.
BUT IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.:D

[wkrq59]

Coaster inadvertently brings up a good example. UC basketball was screwed in this scenario the year they went to the Final Four. They lost in the semis to a Michigan team that ultimately had to vacate all their wins.
Fred, just a note on a couple of things. UC really didn't get screwed because Michigan did not win the NCAA title that year. North Carolina won on that Time out call Weber made when the Wolverines had no time out to take. Second, the only thing that could be done was ddone. I think the Statute of limitations, which I believe is four years, had run out by the time Michigan was mashed. I could be wrong but in any event, I think UC was lucky as hell to get to the Final Four because many of the teams which had higher seeds in their two brackets were upset and the Bearkittys had to whack upsetters rather than the upsetees.:D

[X-band '01]

If the NCAA enforces tose two major infractions as it should Florida State should receive the death penalty and competition in all athletic programs should be suspended for one academic year.
BUT THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN because the FSU programs, especially men's and women's basketball, football and baseball make too damned much money for FSU, the ACC schools and, yes, the NCAA which shares in the merchandise sales and marketing money FSU receives for its logoed items. Bowl games involving FSU, a school which routinely travels well, (35,000 to 40,000 to an away game and/or bowl) means more money to the NCAA and the ACC schools.
So a few major sports may have to forfeit a few victories retroactively. but no team will miss a post-season tournament or a TV appearance.
BUT IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.:D

Georgia had a chance to make some noise in either the 2003 or 2004 NCAA Tournament, but they were ultimately barred from the tournament because of academic fraud and ultimately led to Jim Harrick and his son being dismissed from the program. Why would FSU be too good to punish but not Georgia? Neither team is a perennial basketball power.


Fred, just a note on a couple of things. UC really didn't get screwed because Michigan did not win the NCAA title that year. North Carolina won on that Time out call Weber made when the Wolverines had no time out to take. Second, the only thing that could be done was ddone. I think the Statute of limitations, which I believe is four years, had run out by the time Michigan was mashed. I could be wrong but in any event, I think UC was lucky as hell to get to the Final Four because many of the teams which had higher seeds in their two brackets were upset and the Bearkittys had to whack upsetters rather than the upsetees.:D

Michigan lost to Duke in 1992 - the Webber fiasco was a year later. And I'll say this much to posters who complain about UC getting lucky - they took advantage of what was in front of them that year. That is what Final 4 teams should do.

[jdm2000]

Has anyone heard just how far this will put Bobby Bowden behind Joe Paterno on the all-time wins list?

[THRILLHOUSE]

First let's realize several facts.
FSU has been found guilty of the two violations of rules that body considers most serious: ACADEMIC FRAUD AND LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL.
All 10 major men's and women's programs have been found guilty of those violations. That includes the basketball team. The complete penalty phase is not finished and all appeals have not been resolved. FSU may appear in the NCAA tournament but their victories in that tournament may later be forfeit and any monies they would have received for participation will have to be repaid.
If the NCAA enforces tose two major infractions as it should Florida State should receive the death penalty and competition in all athletic programs should be suspended for one academic year.
BUT THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN because the FSU programs, especially men's and women's basketball, football and baseball make too damned much money for FSU, the ACC schools and, yes, the NCAA which shares in the merchandise sales and marketing money FSU receives for its logoed items. Bowl games involving FSU, a school which routinely travels well, (35,000 to 40,000 to an away game and/or bowl) means more money to the NCAA and the ACC schools.
So a few major sports may have to forfeit a few victories retroactively. but no team will miss a post-season tournament or a TV appearance.
BUT IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.:D

Yeah ever since the SMU scandal of the 80's the NCAA will do just about anything to avoid giving a big school the death penalty. SMU is the last school to receive the death penalty right? I know some schools have come close to it since but can't think if anyone has.

[DoubleD86]

Now that there is a potential for an X v FSU match up in the second round, what happens if FSU beats X, and then the game is "forfeited" later? I personally think that would suck for a fan base to have to think "what if?"

Sometimes, I just don't understand the point of forfeiting games already played in a situation like this.