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MADXSTER
03-06-2009, 10:25 AM
Consecutive A10 Championships
Umass 5
Xavier - 3
Temple - 3
Villanova - 3
Anyone remember the debate we all had years ago on whether or not winning the regular season title in the A10 made that team the A10 champs.
Obviously all major media outlets and XU consider XU to be A10 champs when they win the regular season title. Also, it is obvious that the regular season title is much more prestigious than the post season tournament champs.
Obviously all major media outlets and XU consider XU to be A10 champs when they win the regular season title. Also, it is obvious that the regular season title is much more prestigious than the post season tournament champs.
I would rather just impose our will by winning them both.
Failing to win both certainly did not hurt XU last year or St. Joe's in 2004.
Failing to win both certainly did not hurt XU last year or St. Joe's in 2004.
You are correct. Purely for posterity purposes.
X-band '01
03-06-2009, 07:43 PM
Anyone remember the debate we all had years ago on whether or not winning the regular season title in the A10 made that team the A10 champs.
Release the hounds!
Release the hounds!
Sounds like X-geek is horny.
It doesn't matter what the media thinks. The A-10 will list Xavier as the A-10 Regular Season champs and the winner of the tournament the A-10 champs, but of course this has all been covered.
xu95
MADXSTER
03-07-2009, 02:42 PM
Either way it does go on the NCAA tourney resume.
With everything else that has been accomplished, that will look very very nice.
Just doing a quick search on the A-10 website (a second grader could do it so that might exclude LH) shows Temple as the A-10 champions last year.
xu95
That was never the debate. Ignorant folks like 95 contended there was no such thing as regular season A10 champs saying that there is or was only the A10 Champs. Clearly they were all wrong.
MADXSTER
03-07-2009, 06:15 PM
Two items which are put on the NCAA committees resume about your team is
1) Regular Season League Champs and
2) Tourney Champs
X-band '01
03-07-2009, 06:47 PM
MadX, you apparently missed the great LH debate back in 2003 when Xavier won the regular season title and UD won the A-10 Tournament title. The conference officially recognizes the tournament champion as its champion (Dayton in '03), but LH wouldn't hear any talk about it. Instead, he went into his "I know you are, but what am I" routine in response.
Masterofreality
03-07-2009, 09:11 PM
MadX, you apparently missed the great LH debate back in 2003 when Xavier won the regular season title and UD won the A-10 Tournament title. The conference officially recognizes the tournament champion as its champion (Dayton in '03), but LH wouldn't hear any talk about it. Instead, he went into his "I know you are, but what am I" routine in response.
The difference, however, was that in 2003, there was a 2 division setup so there wasn't one list of teams to say you were champion of. Xavier had the best overall record, but was only on top of its division. That's why there was no "regular season champion" recognized by the league.
Xman95
03-07-2009, 09:38 PM
MadX, you apparently missed the great LH debate back in 2003 when Xavier won the regular season title and UD won the A-10 Tournament title. The conference officially recognizes the tournament champion as its champion (Dayton in '03), but LH wouldn't hear any talk about it. Instead, he went into his "I know you are, but what am I" routine in response.
Hey, if it works...
Seems like the Enquirer, XU and Sean Miller, etc. also recognize the Regular Season A10 Champions. Hmmmm.
I recognize them as well LH. That was never the debate and you are now involved in revisionist history. Go to the A-10 website and do a search on 2008 mens basketball champions and see who comes up. I guarantee you it will be Temple.
xu95
Actually you are now back tracking. You and a handful of others ignorantly claimed that there was no such thing as a Regular Season A10 Champ. Nice try!
So I just want a definitive answer from you LH, so that I can save this thread for future reference. When the Atlantic Ten talks about their champion (I'm not adding words or deleting words) when they say "Atlantic 10 Champions" who are they referring to?
It isn't a trick question.
xu95
Kahns Krazy
03-10-2009, 12:05 PM
Actually you are now back tracking. You and a handful of others ignorantly claimed that there was no such thing as a Regular Season A10 Champ. Nice try!
Good lord. There wasn't an "A-10 Regular Season Champ" in 2003. There was a West Division winner, an East Division winner, and the A-10 champion was the winner of the A-10 Tournament.
Moreover, the one thing that has been consistent through all years is that the "Atlantic 10 champion" and winner of the automatic bid to the NCAA tournament has always been the winner of the A-10 tournament.
This has been covered. There was no such thing as a recognized A-10 Regular Season champ. You are still a freaking tool 6 years later. Remember when you tried to argue that X didn't hang a banner for A-10 Championships in years we "only" won the tournament? Wrong.
This goes back to the old Pablo board. Classic. Shit Stick, Kathy Bates, whatever you want to call it has managed to remain its same 8-year-old self all these years later. Someone has a picture of CJ holding the 3-Peat poster as an avatar. I guess they must have photoshopped it.
There has always been a regular season and conference champion in the A10 despite ignorant posts like 95 to the countrary. XU has celebrated both and hung banners for both. Just admit you were wrong and move on.
Kahns Krazy
03-10-2009, 08:33 PM
There has always been a regular season and conference champion in the A10 despite ignorant posts like 95 to the countrary. XU has celebrated both and hung banners for both. Just admit you were wrong and move on.
Ha ha ha. You were the feeb that claimed that X didn't hang banners for Tourny championships. It's nice to know you haven't learned any new debate skills in 6 years.
Muskie1000
03-11-2009, 07:54 AM
seriously, who gives a crap? I don't really care who is right as long as we are champions. Honestly you are debating whether or not someone was right years ago. We are A-10 regular season champions this year - period - move on and enjoy the ride.
thefortyniner
03-11-2009, 08:39 AM
The conference tournament decides the conference champion.
Sure, you can claim your regular season championship and say that you are the "Conference Champions" but that's pretty much the same thing as that traveling Christian Perfectionist preacher calling himself a "Saint."
Cincypunk.org
03-11-2009, 08:55 AM
The conference tournament decides the conference champion.
Sure, you can claim your regular season championship and say that you are the "Conference Champions" but that's pretty much the same thing as that traveling Christian Perfectionist preacher calling himself a "Saint."
You really think so?
I kind of think the team who comes out on top after 16 games is a bit more impressive than the team who gets hot during a 3 or 4 day stretch.
Jumpy
03-11-2009, 09:19 AM
This goes back to the old Pablo board. Classic. Shit Stick, Kathy Bates, whatever you want to call it has managed to remain its same 8-year-old self all these years later. Someone has a picture of CJ holding the 3-Peat poster as an avatar. I guess they must have photoshopped it.
I did. (letters)
There has always been a regular season and conference champion in the A10 despite ignorant posts like 95 to the countrary. XU has celebrated both and hung banners for both. Just admit you were wrong and move on.
Nice to see you didn't answer my question to you yesterday because you know it would be this debate to bed.
Thanks for staying a fuckstick.
xu95
Nice job trying to spin the fact that you have been wrong all this time 95. You continued to claim there was no such thing as a regular season A10 champ and you obviously could not be more wrong. And Kahns, you are incorrect as well.
thefortyniner
03-11-2009, 08:17 PM
You really think so?
I kind of think the team who comes out on top after 16 games is a bit more impressive than the team who gets hot during a 3 or 4 day stretch.
Then why even waste everybody's time with a tournament?
If that's the case, then there should be no NFL playoffs - the best record in the AFC vs. the best record in the NFC plays in the super bowl. Why even have an NCAA Tournament? All it does is show which team got hot for a few games.
That's the way every sport is. An MLB team plays 162 games, but only has to win 11 games to win the World Series. Championships are more often than not decided by which team gets hot late... it's called "peaking at the right time."
Claiming to be A10 Champions because you won the regular season is nothing but a cop-out for not winning the tournament.
You can't compare conference tournaments to NFL playoffs. Apples to oranges. Conference tournaments would be like an AFC South Playoff with the winner making the NFL playoffs.
The only reason conferences play post season tournaments is for money. Anyone that watches college basketball knows the regular season champ is more impressive than some stiff that got hot for three or four days in a row.
thefortyniner
03-11-2009, 08:35 PM
You can't compare conference tournaments to NFL playoffs. Apples to oranges. Conference tournaments would be like an AFC South Playoff with the winner making the NFL playoffs.
The only reason conferences play post season tournaments is for money. Anyone that watches college basketball knows the regular season champ is more impressive than some stiff that got hot for three or four days in a row.
We'll see what happens first: The A10 honors your "Conference Championship" last year, or the NCAA abolishes the BCS to make room for a playoff.
Mr. LH, what happens if the shoe is on the other foot? What happens if St. Joe's wins the Reg. Season Championship next year and you guys are the stiff that gets hot and wins the conference tourney. Then what say you?
danaandvictory
03-11-2009, 08:42 PM
Claiming to be A10 Champions because you won the regular season is nothing but a cop-out for not winning the tournament.
I love a Charlotte fan lecturing people on who is and ain't the A-10 Champion. Here's a hint: it's not you.
thefortyniner
03-11-2009, 08:50 PM
I love a Charlotte fan lecturing people on who is and ain't the A-10 Champion. Here's a hint: it's not you.
I never said it was. It's not you either... not yet anyway.
49er,
I never wrote that Temple was NOT the A10 champ. Not once. I have stated that there is such a thing as a regular season A10 champ though and that it is more impressive to win the regular season title than the post season title in a single conference.
I think you will feel the same way someday if UNCC is say 22-7 and wins the regular season title. They do not win the A10 automatic bid because Richmond got hot in three days. All of a sudden UNCC is projected as one of the last 4 in but doesn't get a bid because CUSA sends two teams to the dance when Tulane upsets undefeated Memphis in triple overtime.
49er,
XU did just that over SJU in 2004 and no one in their right mind would say XU was better in the A10 in 2004 than SJU. SJU was the regular season A10 champ and XU won the A10 championship.
thefortyniner
03-12-2009, 09:46 AM
49er,
I never wrote that Temple was NOT the A10 champ. Not once. I have stated that there is such a thing as a regular season A10 champ though and that it is more impressive to win the regular season title than the post season title in a single conference.
I think you will feel the same way someday if UNCC is say 22-7 and wins the regular season title. They do not win the A10 automatic bid because Richmond got hot in three days. All of a sudden UNCC is projected as one of the last 4 in but doesn't get a bid because CUSA sends two teams to the dance when Tulane upsets undefeated Memphis in triple overtime.
But a 'Regular Season Championship' is nothing but chest-thumping, it carries no real meaning outside of the school that 'wins' it. I, for one, cannot foresee the day that a 22-7 A10 team gets snubbed, or even "last four outed".
Would that scenario suck were it to play out? Hell yeah it would. I would be livid. But I also would have to remember that the only people in the world who really care who the A10 regular season champions are... are the A10 regular season champions.
danaandvictory
03-12-2009, 01:59 PM
Would that scenario suck were it to play out? Hell yeah it would. I would be livid. But I also would have to remember that the only people in the world who really care who the A10 regular season champions are... are the A10 regular season champions.
Ah, I get it now. Charlotte's players and coaches don't care about winning as many regular season A-10 games as possible. Explains a lot, actually.
Filthy Chilean
03-12-2009, 02:18 PM
Then why even waste everybody's time with a tournament?
If that's the case, then there should be no NFL playoffs - the best record in the AFC vs. the best record in the NFC plays in the super bowl. Why even have an NCAA Tournament? All it does is show which team got hot for a few games.
That's the way every sport is. An MLB team plays 162 games, but only has to win 11 games to win the World Series. Championships are more often than not decided by which team gets hot late... it's called "peaking at the right time."
Claiming to be A10 Champions because you won the regular season is nothing but a cop-out for not winning the tournament.
Wrong. The conference tournament is one more chance for a Charlotte or LaSuck to get into the dance. Its all about the underdog / cinderella.
Its a complete sham if you ask me.
But a 'Regular Season Championship' is nothing but chest-thumping, it carries no real meaning outside of the school that 'wins' it. I, for one, cannot foresee the day that a 22-7 A10 team gets snubbed, or even "last four outed".
Would that scenario suck were it to play out? Hell yeah it would. I would be livid. But I also would have to remember that the only people in the world who really care who the A10 regular season champions are... are the A10 regular season champions.
You could not be more wrong. As stated above, the selection committee does factor in if a team was the regular season champ of their conference. It means far more than getting hot for 3-4 days in one week.
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