Karl "Hobes" Should Lose His Job [Archive]

pimpinthebox

12-31-2008, 12:26 AM

(Don't correct me. I call him "Hobes" because he pronounces our school's name incorrectly.)

They lose to a BAD Coppin State squad on a neutral court?

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=283652154

That guy is a joke. I've never liked him.

Cheesehead

12-31-2008, 12:44 AM

Coppin State is 2-10 this year...OUCH.

I never liked Hobbs either. I know all the coaches go on the court somewhat but he's constantly way outside the box area...way outside.

waggy

12-31-2008, 03:02 AM

Pretty sure Coppin States previous lone win was against a non D1 team. Hobbs job has to be in big trouble after this loss in spite of his nice run of tourney berths. My guess is his initial great recruiting was of players that were just on the edge of receiving offers from UConn, and he was able to scoop them up when he first came over to GW.

GuyFawkes38

12-31-2008, 03:33 AM

I'm not a big Hobbs fan. But on the other hand, there are several other coaches in the A10 who deserve more heat.

X-band '01

12-31-2008, 06:38 AM

Wow. Dead freaking last in the Hawaii Christmas tournament with losses to Vermont, Hawaii, and Coppin State.

drudy23

12-31-2008, 09:01 AM

Wow. Dead freaking last in the Hawaii Christmas tournament with losses to Vermont, Hawaii, and Coppin State.

Fired.....

Masterofreality

12-31-2008, 09:52 AM

Way to go, "Hobes".

Singlehandedly decimating the A-10 RPI and OOC record.

Not just fired.....DEAD!!!! (Like Niedermeyer)

GoMuskies

12-31-2008, 09:54 AM

It couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

DAllen15

12-31-2008, 10:41 AM

XU05and07

12-31-2008, 10:44 AM

"Hobes" should have gone for the money when he was hot...his stock has fallen so much that he won't even be asked to coach a CYO team

Tardy Turtle

12-31-2008, 10:57 AM

http://firehobbs.blogspot.com (http://firehobbs.blogspot.com/)

Masterofreality

12-31-2008, 11:03 AM

On the other hand, you've got surprises like SBU and Duquesne at 8-4

Well, not so much of a surprise with Olean Welding Academy. Even at 8-4 they are 208 in the RPI- still an anchor. Why? Their SOS is a hefty 306.

Just can't get those big teams to go to beautiful Olean in the dead of winter, I guess.

XU 87

12-31-2008, 11:27 AM

Well, not so much of a surprise with Olean Welding Academy. Even at 8-4 they are 208 in the RPI- still an anchor. Why? Their SOS is a hefty 306.

True about the SOS. However, in years past Olean would be 4-8 with an RPI of 295. But they still offer nothing to the league.

JAPER

12-31-2008, 12:31 PM

what the hell is going on in foggy bottom. The bottom has dropped out of that program since their top 10 ranking and #8 seed in the NCAA tournament in '06. They missed the league tourny last year didn't they? Very big surprise to me.

muskiegirl9

12-31-2008, 08:56 PM

"Hobes" should have gone for the money when he was hot...his stock has fallen so much that he won't even be asked to coach a CYO team

I can't stand Hobes either but that's no reason to insult the CYO teams.

X-band '01

01-01-2009, 08:03 AM

As usual, the A10 has its share of underachievers so far--

GW: 6-5
SJU: 5-6
Temple: 5-6
UMass: 5-7

On the other hand, you've got surprises like SBU and Duquesne at 8-4.

We're back to our customary #8 spot in conference RPI.

St. Joe's did not help by losing to Drexel yesterday; they'll still probably make a run in A-10 play and potentially damage the league's cred even further.

I do think this is the year the Bonnies make it back to the A-10 Tournament for the first time since the league added Charlotte and SLU.

Masterofreality

01-01-2009, 08:39 AM

Richmond lost to VMI too.

jdm2000

01-01-2009, 12:27 PM

Richmond lost to VMI too.

So did Kentucky, though--not bad company!

nuts4xu

01-03-2009, 02:22 AM

That guy is a joke. I've never liked him.

Whach you talking about pimp?

http://electricityandlust.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/gary-coleman.jpghttp://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/gewa/sports/m-baskbl/auto_headshot/p-Hobbs.jpg

Masterofreality

01-03-2009, 11:09 PM

GW lost at Longwood today.

Another nail in the fire Hobbs coffin.

Cincy Muskie

01-05-2009, 01:06 PM

That Longwood loss was probably the final nail unless they do a complete 180 in conference place. MOR Bona's did have Mississippi State visit beautiful Olean earlier in the season but couldn't handle them. Coach Schmidt has those guys moving in the right direction IMO.

MD Muskie

01-05-2009, 01:45 PM

How do you lose to Longwood? They are still a probationary division 1 team if i remember correctly. That just might go down as one of the worst losses ever for GW. Hell the New Jersey Institute of Technology might want to schedule them fast so they can get their first D1 win. Hobbs has to be done now.

coasterville95

01-05-2009, 02:17 PM

Maybe GW was scared to book in NJIT, being their first win would be quite infamous. It runs in my mind that at least one A10 school did book NJIT last year.

I'm thinking that if NJIT doesn't get themselves a win this season, they may have trouble booking games, not becuase they won't be viewed as a cream puff, but, sooner or later the law of averages has to come into play, and would you want YOUR program to be "NJIT's first WIN, after 58+ attempts!"

Then again it took 10 years for the law of averages to shine in Caltech's favor and finally get that win.

But - oh how the moghty have fallen, two years ago they were a regular NCAA tourney team, winning the conferene and all that good stuff. Watch though, they will be the kind of team that goes 2-14 in A10 play, and nails both of those 2 on either NCAA bubble teams, popping their bubbles, or worse the A10 frontrunners adding a seriously "bad loss" to their resumes come Selection Sunday.

XU05and07

01-05-2009, 02:49 PM

GW cannot do a 180 in conference...they are going down hill fast. Hobbs will be out of a job and GW will be looking for a coach that will be there for a year or two and then jump ship.

Losing to Longwood (an Independent) is inexcusable

Smails

01-05-2009, 02:51 PM

DC Muskie

01-05-2009, 03:01 PM

I think there is a direct correlation between the article that ran in DC 'highlighting' the academic standards of GW players and their recent fall. Hobbs brought in some shady dudes and now he's paying the price. It's amazing what happens when you actually have to coach as opposed to rolling out a basketball on the court and saying..go play. 3 seasons ago this team was ranked #8 in the counrty and I think they were a 2/3 seed in the NCAAs.

Karl my man...what's going on over there?

Smails is correct in one sense...that Post series killed any chance of Hobbs getting a bigger gig. But as for shady players, remember that Hobbs replaced Penders who's players were running wild. Hobbs cleaned that program up but he made some mistakes like bringing in Cheynne Moore from Clemson.

His orginal class, the one with the questionable academic standards, those guys did graduate. I think the entire series by the Post was a little over the top.

GW though, has never been a 2 or 3 seed. They would be riding high with a 4 seed. It's just too tough a market to compete with out here and now that JTIII has the Hoyas back on top, GW will fall further down the scale.

MD Muskie

01-05-2009, 03:14 PM

The year that GW finished with the regular season with 2 losses (I think that was the number), did they not end up with an 8 seed? I feel like the pundits said it was because of a cupcake schedule that they received such an odd seed for only two losses. Being from the DC area, i have to believe pyschologically that that seed did a lot more harm to the program then people will actually say. It is possible for recuits to look at that year and say no matter what they do a high seed is not in cards at this school.

Smails

01-05-2009, 03:37 PM

X-Fan

01-05-2009, 04:09 PM

Yessir you are correct...I had my numbers flubbed up. They were an 8 seed.

I recall that now as well. That was a bunch of BS. They had a great team and got screwed. Oh well...screw them and Shawnta Rogers too.

Smails

01-05-2009, 04:28 PM

"Smails is correct in one sense"

I'm framing this DC

dc_x

01-05-2009, 04:44 PM

You can't put all the blame on Hobbs. A lot of the blame goes on GW's administration.

The A-10's scheduling policy is brutal for GW. The A10 has restrictions on accepting buy games and GW doesn't have the money to bring in buy games of their own. So GW is left playing whatever home-and-away series they can get (against the likes of Maryland Baltimore County, Longwood, and Binghamton).

GW lost on the road to all 3 of those schools in the last 2 seasons. Now, it's never acceptable for an A10 school to lose to the dregs of NCAA basketball, but the fact the GW is forced to play road games against these sorts of teams is a travesty that GW's AD and president are responsible for.

GW also plays in a horrible gym (Smith Center) and the university overall has a lack athletic facilities. Combine that with the brutal competition for recruits in the area, and you have a recipe for disaster.

I'm not sure what coach in his right mind would take the GW job.

DC Muskie

01-06-2009, 09:43 AM

The only time GW can be competitve is when GTown or Maryland is in a downward cycle. The school is basically a commuter school, and kids from Jersey who couldn't get into GTown. They will never have the facilities, the broadcast contracts or the pipeline of talent to be consistant.

GW is a program that will have one good year, then three to four bad ones. However, it will remain in this league simply because it is in Washington.

GoMuskies

01-06-2009, 09:56 AM

The only time GW can be competitve is when GTown or Maryland is in a downward cycle.

When Maryland and G'town are good, GW shouldn't be expected to beat Longwood and Coppin State? George Mason is a crappy commuter school, and they're competitive right now. They'd beat the hell out of Coppin State and Longwood at least.

We're not asking GW to get back to the top 25. Just don't embarrass the conference. Hobbs has failed miserably and should soon find himself in the unemployment line. Maybe Mike Jarvis prefers DC to Boca Raton and would agree to return.

MD Muskie

01-06-2009, 10:04 AM

I have to agree there with GoMuskies, GW should still be competitive enough to beat those teams. Losses to those teams just flat out hurts the conference in every aspect. GW is better than this and should be recuiting better. DC/MD/VA is still a talent rich basketball area and they should be able to get someone to come in play with skill. It just seems to me that Hobbs has stopped recuiting the area and now that is hurting them.

American X

01-06-2009, 10:10 AM

By their locations alone, GW and Fordham should be able to field competitive teams just from the scraps left over by high profile programs.

Guess word is out what dorks GW students are and what a ridiculous mascot name they have. No respectable player wants association with them.

Snipe

01-06-2009, 10:48 AM

George Mason is a crappy commuter school,

They have an outstanding Economics department.

GoMuskies

01-06-2009, 11:05 AM

They have an outstanding Economics department.

I hear that's why Jai Lewis picked the Patriots.

DC Muskie

01-06-2009, 11:21 AM

When Maryland and G'town are good, GW shouldn't be expected to beat Longwood and Coppin State? George Mason is a crappy commuter school, and they're competitive right now. They'd beat the hell out of Coppin State and Longwood at least.

We're not asking GW to get back to the top 25. Just don't embarrass the conference. Hobbs has failed miserably and should soon find himself in the unemployment line. Maybe Mike Jarvis prefers DC to Boca Raton and would agree to return.

I agree completely I was talking about how they are a top tier program in this conference. They are not that far removed.

And MD Muskie, Maryland can't even get the top players from within its own county, so to say that GW can just pick off the rest is a little simplistic. It doesn't help either when Xavier is walking into Baltimore and landing players. This entire region is not about just MD/GTown and then GW. UConn and Syracuse have made their homes out here.

MD Muskie

01-06-2009, 12:42 PM

And MD Muskie, Maryland can't even get the top players from within its own county, so to say that GW can just pick off the rest is a little simplistic. It doesn't help either when Xavier is walking into Baltimore and landing players. This entire region is not about just MD/GTown and then GW. UConn and Syracuse have made their homes out here.

You are correct in that Maryland cannot even recruit in this area anymore. I was just trying to simplify this arguement to the local area teams, but in regards to the talent in the area then Gtown is the only one that seems to be able to get anyone of late. Look at the names that have gotten away the past few years: Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant, Rudy Gay, and Michael Beasley just to name a few. Just think if any of these three local schools had landed just one of them then that school would be a greater landing spot for other great recuits. If you want to make a name for yourself in just one year then don't come to a DC area school.

My point earlier was to say that of the talent that wants to stay 3 to 4 years, they are still coming to these area schools, but that GW just can't even get a descent kid anymore from that classified group.

X-band '01

01-07-2009, 11:52 AM

They have an outstanding Economics department.

You must be a big fan of Walter Williams.

West is Best

01-07-2009, 05:23 PM

I think its an easier sell to recruits. You're 5 blocks from the White House, with nice restaurants everywhere. Half of the recruiting visit is already taken care of.

Then I'd tell recruits "Georgetown is a great place if your 7' tall, but if you're a guard or a wing, how are you going to get noticed when the offense revolves around the 5? The A10 is a place where smaller guys can dominate."
Maryland is an aftertought in the ACC and their coach is coasting on a national title from 2000. That goodwill can't last forever.

As for Beasley, Durant, Carmelo... GW doesn't need those names to win. Durant and Carmelo would sure help (not as sure about Beasley), but most teams, even the high majors, rely on a steady stream of very good prospects, not elite ones.

They aren't in a perfect situation, but neither is X. Cincy produces fewer college players than Baltimore/Washington and we have to fight UC and UK for attention.

Masterofreality

01-07-2009, 05:31 PM

GW is located in "Foggy Bottom".

Not exactly an attractive description to recruits.

Juice

01-07-2009, 05:35 PM

GW is located in "Foggy Bottom".

Not exactly an attractive description to recruits.

Maybe if John Amaechi was a recruit again.

Amaechi is so gay.

MD Muskie

01-07-2009, 08:44 PM

As for Beasley, Durant, Carmelo... GW doesn't need those names to win. Durant and Carmelo would sure help (not as sure about Beasley), but most teams, even the high majors, rely on a steady stream of very good prospects, not elite ones.

They aren't in a perfect situation, but neither is X. Cincy produces fewer college players than Baltimore/Washington and we have to fight UC and UK for attention.

My point with the three names was not that GW wasn't getting them, but that none of the local teams are getting them. Part of the reason GW has it a rough spot is that the next teir is going to the big two, and as pointed out by DC Muskie, out of state schools.

PMI

01-07-2009, 09:33 PM

True, some of our best in state talent has gotten away, but credit Georgetown for keeping some good ones around. Hell, about a third of their team is from the WCAC with Chris Wright of St. John's, Austin Freeman of DeMatha, and that freshman McDonald's AA from O'Connell. JT3 is a Gonzaga guy and has no trouble getting good local talent to stay home.

Gary is a totally different story. I swear the man spends twice as much time golfing and drinking at Congressional as he does recruiting from April to August. Then he goes to Hunter's Inn and chases young tail. Can't say I wouldn't do the same thing if I had the money and the ring, but as a Maryland fan, I'd like to think his "tenure" isn't as safe as it once was. When you're an ACC team less than a decade removed from winning it all and have the luxury of being located in one of the best areas in terms of high school basketball talent in the nation, there are no excuses.