Which School Doesn't Belong

[GuyFawkes38]

...on this list.

Oklahoma
Cincinnati
USC
Penn St.
Virginia Tech
Florida


It's funny that there's already talk from the media about the BCS system being reformed because one of the teams above is so ridiculously average (along with its conference), that it's an embarrassment for College Football to send them to a major bowl.

Edit: I want to make myself clear. I'm not trying to be a downer. I think UC had a great year. Every UC fan should be proud. Brian Kelly is an excellent coach.

But that being said, UC football is still a joke.

[AdamtheFlyer]

...on this list.

Oklahoma
Cincinnati
USC
Penn St.
Georgia Tech
Virginia Teach
Florida


It's funny that there's already talk from the media about the BCS system being reformed because one of the teams above is so ridiculously average (along with its conference), that it's an embarrassment for College Football to send them to a major bowl.

Georgia Tech doesn't belong. They aren't going to a BCS bowl.

What do I win?

[GuyFawkes38]

Georgia Tech doesn't belong. They aren't going to a BCS bowl.

What do I win?

ha, ok. I'm going to correct that.

[GoMuskies]

...on this list.

Oklahoma
Cincinnati
USC
Penn St.
Georgia Tech
Virginia Teach
Florida


It's funny that there's already talk from the media about the BCS system being reformed because one of the teams above is so ridiculously average (along with its conference), that it's an embarrassment for College Football to send them to a major bowl.

Yeah, Virginia Tech is pretty lousy this year.

[GuyFawkes38]

Yeah, Virginia Tech is pretty lousy this year.

I'm sure they will match Va tech up with UC to prevent an embarrassment.

[GoMuskies]

I'm sure they will match Va tech up with UC to prevent an embarrassment.

Probably so. UC might only beat them by two TDs, so that will probably preserve the Hokies' feelings.

[AdamtheFlyer]

UC has a really good defense with two legit NFL corners. Tony Pike has been a nice surprise at QB, and really looked good the last several weeks of the season. They're a quality team. I think only Oklahoma, Texas, Florida, USC, and Bama would beat them convingingly. They would hang with every other team in the country.

[GoMuskies]

They would hang with every other team in the country.

Except for UConn, of course.

[GuyFawkes38]

I'm just not buying that UC's top wins (Pitt, S. Florida, and WV) were that impressive. The out of conference schedule was awful, except for Oklahoma, who they were killed by.

[GoMuskies]

I'm just not buying that UC's top wins (Pitt, S. Florida, and WV) were that impressive.

I don't disagree with that. But if you're going to start taking away auto BCS bids, you'd have to start with the ACC right now. Boise and Texas Tech should probably play in the Orange Bowl while UC and VaTech play in a bowl more reflective of the seasons they've had. But if you're going to have a (stupid) BCS, the Big East has to be a part of it.

[GuyFawkes38]

I don't disagree with that. But if you're going to start taking away auto BCS bids, you'd have to start with the ACC right now. Boise and Texas Tech should probably play in the Orange Bowl while UC and VaTech play in a bowl more reflective of the seasons they've had. But if you're going to have a (stupid) BCS, the Big East has to be a part of it.

Why have automatic bids for conference champions? I'm not saying that the Big East should be excluded from the BCS. But BCS bowl should go the highest ranked teams.

[BENWAR]

I'm just not buying that UC's top wins (Pitt, S. Florida, and WV) were that impressive. The out of conference schedule was awful, except for Oklahoma, who they were killed by.

Don't you have anything better to do tonight than bash UC football.

What a loser.

[GoMuskies]

I think that's what I just said. This should be Boise vs. Texas Tech. But the system is what it is. VaTech being included this year is worse than UC being included.

[GuyFawkes38]

I think that's what I just said. This should be Boise vs. Texas Tech. But the system is what it is. VaTech being included this year is worse than UC being included.

True.

If they would move to a ranking based BCS system, it would encourage every school to schedule better out of conference competition, which is a good thing for the fan.

UC might be better than I think. But my preexisting perception is that the Big East sucks. So UC's wins in the Big East should be discounted. Maybe if UC played and beat some better out of conference opponents, my opinion would differ.

[AdamtheFlyer]

The auto-bids have nothing to do with the BCS, except for the Big East. All the other leagues have tie-ins to specific bowls that extend well beyond when the BCS came about. The BCS only controls the title game and the BE's bid.

Personally, I like how the 4 non-title BCS bowl games work. The leagues that get auto-bids are the best 6 leagues, there's really no denying that. A team from another league has every chance in the world to get a bid. And does anyone but jorts wearing yokels want 4 SEC teams in BCS bowls?

UC/VT is a good matchup that people are going to miss. OSU/Texas is a blockbuster Fiesta Bowl. USC/Penn State should be fun to watch. We're going to have some good matchups.

[GoMuskies]

UC/VT is a good matchup that people are going to miss.

Better than Boise/Texas Tech would have been?!?

[AdamtheFlyer]

Better than Boise/Texas Tech would have been?!?

Yeah. Tech would win by 30.

[GoMuskies]

Yeah. Tech would win by 30.

Just like Oklahoma.

[moepvc04]

GuyFawkes, point taken that UC doesn't belong on the same list as the national title contenders, but your obviously just knocking them with this thread. No the Big East is not the SEC or Big 12, and yes UC had a weak out of conference schedule. But this is a program that has gone from garbage to a legit top 25 team in 4 years which included a coaching change. So no they couldn't challenge the likes of Bama, Florida, Texas, or Oklahoma (even though UC kept it a fairly close game against them in Norman). But saying that they don't deserve to be in a BCS game because the Big East is weak this year is a little rediculous. With your reasoning, should any conference get automatic BCS bids besides the SEC and Big 12? The Pac 10, Big 10, and ACC are all incredibly weak in comparison.

[BENWAR]

GuyFawkes, point taken that UC doesn't belong on the same list as the national title contenders, but your obviously just knocking them with this thread. No the Big East is not the SEC or Big 12, and yes UC had a weak out of conference schedule. But this is a program that has gone from garbage to a legit top 25 team in 4 years which included a coaching change. So no they couldn't challenge the likes of Bama, Florida, Texas, or Oklahoma (even though UC kept it a fairly close game against them in Norman). But saying that they don't deserve to be in a BCS game because the Big East is weak this year is a little rediculous. With your reasoning, should any conference get automatic BCS bids besides the SEC and Big 12? The Pac 10, Big 10, and ACC are all incredibly weak in comparison.

Well said, he has nothing better to do.

[AdamtheFlyer]

Just like Oklahoma.

Yeah, because comparing different years to different teams is perfectly logical.

Boise had a great year, they belong no where near a major bowl game. Beating a banged up and mediocre Oregon team way back in September is their best win. Their opponents winning percentage is well below .500. Do you really think they'd be anywhere near the BCS talk if they played in a BCS league? I don't. I'm not sure they would have even been the third best team in the Mountain West Conference.

[GoMuskies]

Yeah, because comparing different years to different teams is perfectly logical.



Well, saying the same thing in '08 that people were saying in '06 doesn't make much sense either.

[GoMuskies]

BTW, according to the Sagarin Predictor Ratings, Texas Tech would be about a three point favorite over Boise on a neutral field.

[GuyFawkes38]

I have to be honest.

I don't think the Big East deserves an automatic bid to a BCS game. The Big East doesn't have a top 20 program in the conference. Maybe when the Big East had a couple teams which actually contended for a championship, they would have deserved the automatic bid. But not now.

[GoMuskies]

Does the ACC deserve an auto bid?

[GuyFawkes38]

Does the ACC deserve an auto bid?

Miami and Florida State are top 15 programs. Virginia Tech and Boston College would probably be ranked ahead of any other program in the Big East.

I think the ACC is a better conference than the Big East.

[BENWAR]

I have to be honest.

I don't think the Big East deserves an automatic bid to a BCS game. The Big East doesn't have a top 20 program in the conference. Maybe when the Big East had a couple teams which actually contended for a championship, they would have deserved the automatic bid. But not now.

Didn't West Virginia beat Oklahoma by 20 last year?

I believe Oklahoma was ranked third in the country going into that game.

[GoMuskies]

But when is the last time the ACC champ finished ahead of the Big East champ?

[GuyFawkes38]

Didn't West Virginia beat Oklahoma by 20 last year?

I believe Oklahoma was ranked third in the country going into that game.

And not long after that West Virginia lost its coach.

I know that everyone on this board has suddenly became UC football fans. Yes, "we are all UC Bearcats now". blah, blah, blah.

I'm not believing the hype.

[GuyFawkes38]

I have no idea. I know Miami won a national championship not too long ago.

Gomuskies, are you really saying the Big East is a better football conference than the ACC?

[GoMuskies]

Gomuskies, are you really saying the Big East is a better football conference than the ACC?

The BCS is really only concerned with conference champions. The Big East champ has been better than the ACC champ for at least the last three years. UC will have a chance in the Orange Bowl against VaTech to extend that streak to four.

[BENWAR]

And not long after that West Virginia lost its coach.

I know that everyone on this board has suddenly became UC football fans. Yes, "we are all UC Bearcats now". blah, blah, blah.

I'm not believing the hype.

You STARTED a thread saying that UC football is a joke.

What's the point?

[GoMuskies]

I have no idea. I know Miami won a national championship not too long ago.


BTW, Miami was a member of the Big East last time they won a national title.

[GuyFawkes38]

The BCS is really only concerned with conference champions. The Big East champ has been better than the ACC champ for at least the last three years. UC will have a chance in the Orange Bowl against VaTech to extend that streak to four.


I think the future of the ACC (with such sleeping giants like Miami, Fla State, Clemson, Ga Tech, Va tech) looks much brighter than the Big East.

I guess we can agree to disagree on that.

[GoMuskies]

Agree, disagree, whatever. I'm not sure what the future prospects of the ACC vs. Big East has to do with anything.

BTW, the worse auto-BCS conference right now is the Pac 10. Luckily for them, they have USC.

[GuyFawkes38]

BTW, the worse auto-BCS conference right now is the Pac 10. Luckily for them, they have USC.

True.

Outside of USC, the Pac Ten has sucked for the past 10 years.

[GuyFawkes38]

UC isn't really proving me wrong with their performance at Hawaii.

Although games at Hawaii always have a strange, surreal feel to them.

[GuyFawkes38]

ok. so UC won.

I know people will soon post on this thread, "UC is awesome, they beat Hawaii. Even us Xavier fans should consider ourselves Bearcats now."

At this late hour, I have no problem saying this: THE BIG EAST SUCKS. It's insane that UC will go to the Orange Bowl. It's ridiculous.

[jdm2000]

I have no idea. I know Miami won a national championship not too long ago.

Gomuskies, are you really saying the Big East is a better football conference than the ACC?

He may not be, but I am saying yes. (But for that you have to check out my post in the "Cattitude" thread.) The ACC = suckage in football since the BCS began.

[mr. zimpher]

I believe it was Todd Blackledge on tv yesterday who proposed a pretty interesting idea. One that I actually find to be a viable solution, not just a pipe-dream like a playoff. Assuming the BCS stays in place, which it will, and a playoff is nowhere on the horizon, he proposed this: Keep the four major BCS bowls and the BCS title game. That allows for ten teams to play in the BCS. Completely do away with the conference tie-ins. Keep the BCS computer standings in place. At the end of the season take the top ten teams in the BCS standings and place them in the BCS. The 1 and 2 teams play in the title game and 3-10 play in the other four bowls, regardless of conference affiliation. In most seasons your going to have at least one representative from each of the big 6 conferences anyway, providing the same revenue that they have now with their auto-bid. If a big 6 conference doesn't have a top 10 BCS team, like the big east and acc this year, so be it, they didn't earn a berth.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I believe it was Todd Blackledge on tv yesterday who proposed a pretty interesting idea. One that I actually find to be a viable solution, not just a pipe-dream like a playoff. Assuming the BCS stays in place, which it will, and a playoff is nowhere on the horizon, he proposed this: Keep the four major BCS bowls and the BCS title game. That allows for ten teams to play in the BCS. Completely do away with the conference tie-ins. Keep the BCS computer standings in place. At the end of the season take the top ten teams in the BCS standings and place them in the BCS. The 1 and 2 teams play in the title game and 3-10 play in the other four bowls, regardless of conference affiliation. In most seasons your going to have at least one representative from each of the big 6 conferences anyway, providing the same revenue that they have now with their auto-bid. If a big 6 conference doesn't have a top 10 BCS team, like the big east and acc this year, so be it, they didn't earn a berth.

I'm not really sure what thats a solution to. It doesnt solve the debate about the two teams that get to play for the NC. I guess it does make get deserving teams into the BCS tho like Texas Tech who cant go because you can only have two teams from a conference. So if thats what you are looking to solve I guess it does something.

[xudash]

Being a resident of Jacksonville, I was very pleased to open the Sunday paper today to find that pathetic attendance figure in Tampa for the ACC Championship Game. Swofford still is under the delusion of believing that the ACC can get to the SEC's level in football at some point. After stiffing Jacksonville with their unrealistic demands, the ACC went south and to the west to take advantage of Tampa, which was praying for either FSU or Miami to make it to make it relevant - and economically successful. Each team was alloted 10,000 seats. Apparently, BC and VTech didn't make it to 5k total. The stadium looked as it should: fairly empty.

There is nothing in the mix that suggests that the ACC will ever be anything like the SEC. Though it's all relative, the academic pressures in the ACC are far greater than those applied in the SEC. The average stadium size in the SEC is much greater than that for the ACC. And the SEC is comprised of land grant schools, save for Vanderbilt. The SEC simply is a bigger thing.

ACC football is down.

As far as UC is concerned, I'm curious to hear what UC intends to do with Nippert. UC goes no where in the long term in a 36k capacity facility. Congrats to UC though for making this milestone, but please find a wardrobe designer; those uniforms are (not good) nasty. UC clearly looks like it's new to all this.

[xudash]

I'm not really sure what thats a solution to. It doesnt solve the debate about the two teams that get to play for the NC. I guess it does make get deserving teams into the BCS tho like Texas Tech who cant go because you can only have two teams from a conference. So if thats what you are looking to solve I guess it does something.

Todd is a Penn State guy and therefore doesn't know much about tradition, such as the historical Rose Bowl tie-in between the Big Ten and the Pac Ten.

[Stonebreaker]

UC won 11 games thus far. They deserve a bcs bid. Aside from the top 5 schools, they can play with anyone. So yeah, they deserve to be in the discussion.
Don't hate the school, hate the system.

[jdm2000]

Stoney, you going to make the roadie to Hawaii? Not a bad place to be for Christmas...

[gladdenguy]

I don't think ANY of the conferences should get an automatic bid. If you're going to give automatic bids, its not fair to give some conferences some, and leave some out.
This year is the perfect testimony to that. I mean, UC (had a great year) and VT do not deserve BCS bids, especially when you have 2 teams deservedly left out (Texas Tech and Boise St).
Texas should be in the NC game as well but that is a whole other topic.
I guess I'll just enjoy the games as they are......but something has to change.
GO HOKIES.

[Kahns Krazy]

I think bowl games beyond the national championship game are stupid.

Hooray. Our season is over. It's time for a meaningless game to determine how far away from the top we really were. Weehah. Tits on a bull.

However, VT and UC played the game according to the rules, and their reward is the BCS bowl game, and the money and whatever prestige people attach to that word and that location.

[BENWAR]

I think bowl games beyond the national championship game are stupid.

Hooray. Our season is over. It's time for a meaningless game to determine how far away from the top we really were. Weehah. Tits on a bull.

However, VT and UC played the game according to the rules, and their reward is the BCS bowl game, and the money and whatever prestige people attach to that word and that location.

Isn't it the same thing as attending an NIT game.

Hooray. Our season is over. It's time for a meaningless basketball tournament.

[Xpectations]

Isn't it the same thing as attending an NIT game.

Hooray. Our season is over. It's time for a meaningless basketball tournament.

Except that the NIT doesn't pay participants a couple million bucks.

[XUglow]

KK, I have to disagree with you. Bowl games are fun to attend and many are fun to watch. Granted, a whole lot of the bowl games are meaningless and very uninteresting, but for the most part, I think the bowl season is a big positive.

Think about Vandy bowling for the first time in 26 years. I have a lot of Vandy friends that are going because they may not see it again in their lifetime. Just being in that game means something to them.

Michigan, Auburn, Tennessee fans may all agree that the Music City Bowl isn't a plum spot in the middle of winter, but they would all swap places with Vandy in a heartbeat.

[BENWAR]

Except that the NIT doesn't pay participants a couple million bucks.

Good for the schools that are getting paid a couple million bucks.