Bengals are a joke!

[XU2424]

I just had to mention it. Wow it is depressing watching them, yet I continue to watch them year in and year out (like a train wreck). I hate ignorance and Mike Brown is ignorant, anyone who thinks they know a game (any game) yet loses 17 out of 18 (I might be wrong here) seasons is wrong. Simply he is wrong and needs to re-evaluate his career choice. He is not his dad, never will be and needs to hire a GM to run this joke of a franchise.

[dc_x]

I hate ignorance and Mike Brown is ignorant, anyone who thinks they know a game (any game) yet loses 17 out of 18 (I might be wrong here) seasons is wrong. Simply he is wrong and needs to re-evaluate his career choice. He is not his dad, never will be and needs to hire a GM to run this joke of a franchise.

The Bengals made an operating profit of $22m in 2007. The estimated value of the franchise is almost a billion dollars. link (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/30/sportsmoney_nfl08_Cincinnati-Bengals_306869.html)

I'd say Mike made a pretty good career decision.

Mike Brown is awful at putting a good product on the field. Unfortunately, he is making a boatload of money.

The NFL is the ultimate socialist organization. Mike shares an equal portion of the league's revenue regardless of the product he puts on the field.

[Juice]

I am now at the stage where I thoroughly enjoy watching this team lose. 0-16 is something I want to happen.

[dc_x]

I am now at the stage where I thoroughly enjoy watching this team lose. 0-16 is something I want to happen.

Agreed. At least we can feel like the Bengals achieved something special.

[gladdenguy]

I would love to see 0-16. I am rooting hard for it.
This team needs a leader. Get Carson Palmer, Chad Johnson, Marvin Lewis the hell out of here. Start over and draft offensive line, then def line, then off line, then def line. Get a free agent qb who actually knows how to LEAD a team and go from there. Carson, Chad, and Marvin make me sick.

[Muskie73]

Gladdenguy - which free agent QB with leadership potential would come to Cincy and be underpaid by Brown and probably have his career ended in injury?

I think we are understating the potential here. What is the longest losing streak in the NFL? That's what we should be aiming for. According to a graphic CBS showed during the game the Bengals lead in the most 0-7 seasons, why not the all time longest losing streak?

[PM Thor]

I went to the first half of the game today.

All I have to say is the Pittsburgh fans were cheering when the Bengal player (who got hit by Ward) was hurt.

Complete trash. Utterly classless fans. Terrible people, they suck.

[MADXSTER]

Well, we built him a stadium and that didn't work.

Maybe if we build a large wooden badger....

[xeus]

I consider 0-16 an accomplishment. Accordingly, I hope the team goes 1-15 with the win coming soon (like next week v houston) before the drive for 0-16 becomes a story.

[Stonebreaker]

The Bengals are such a joke, they couldn't be perfect by going winless. I foresee 1-15.
I'm beyond any emotional ties to wins or losses with the Bengals. Whosesale changes are needed before I get excited about Sundays.

[X-Fan]

I am now at the stage where I thoroughly enjoy watching this team lose. 0-16 is something I want to happen.

That's exactly what I'm hoping for. In fact that's the ONLY thing I am root for the Bengals to do. I was a Bengals fan for all 30 years of my life till this off-season. I saw the writing on the wall when they did NOTHING to significantly improve this team (both FA and Draft).

Then when they resigned Henry I had enough...I swore off this team right then and there. I saw the signs...I wanted no part in going through the 90's again. I WILL NOT root for this team until Mike Brown either hires a GM or sells the team (I'd prefer the later).

Understand this...all that POS Mike Brown cares about it the money he is making. He has NO incentive to improve the team much less give up control of player selection. This team will never go anywhere while he is calling the shots.

Do yourselves a favor and divorce the Bengals like I have. It's SO much better now that I have. I actually enjoy NFL games now. I get to laugh like everyone else at the Bengals. I'm still looking for a new team, but I'm loving life as a nomad NFL Fan.

The only thing you can count on from the Bengals is losing. If you can't realize that by now...I feel sorry for you.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I went to the first half of the game today.

All I have to say is the Pittsburgh fans were cheering when the Bengal player (who got hit by Ward) was hurt.

Complete trash. Utterly classless fans. Terrible people, they suck.

First off it is terrible IMO whenever a player gets hurt, but that was a sweet hit and I'm sure that is what the fans were cheering about, not the fact that they guy was injured. Did maybe some of the jackasses cheer a little too long once it was apparent a guy was down? Probably. And fans need to realize that and stop, but ultimately I would guess the vast majority were cheering about the play not the result.

[wkrq59]

The Bengal injured was Keith Rivers, their No. 1 draft choice
and one of their few bright spots this season. Hinds Ward broke his jaw for him with what looked like a legal hit that wasn't flagged. On further review Ward can be seen dropping his shoulder in an apparent legal hit and attempt to break a tackle. But then he follows with an obvious forearm to the his face.
Both Mike Martin and Dave Lapham said that "when you play the Steelers you have to expect this and get the first lick in and be prepared for a rough physical game."
Every time these two team play, the Bengals come out on the short end of the injury sheet even if they win which is rare. And Hines Ward is the one lobbying the NFL to stop fining Troy Palamalu for his illegal hits when no penalties are called.
The referee Ed Hockuli worked Sunday's game and this is about the fourth or fifth week he and his team have screwed up teams with incorrect calls or missed calls that resulted injury to players and subsequent fines by the NFL against the guilty player.
What I have just said is absolutely no excuse for yesterday's demonstration. Five three-and-outs on their first five possessions. A standing O when they finally made a first down. Unbelieveably bad breakdowns in the fourth quarter when an exhausted defense that will be even shorter on talent than ever with Rivers lost. And then there was the matter of Firzpatrick being sacked seven?? times! And the play calling of Bob Bratowski. The first five series Sunday were the same. run on first down, run or short swing pass on second down for big loss or little gain, five yard swing pass on third and 8 or 9.
The one time they came out firing and passed on damn near every down, was the drive on which they scored. Then in the second half they followed the same script as the first quarter, run short or no gain, run or pass short or no gain, third-down incomplete pass or dropped pass or swing well short of needed yardage.
And getting beat deep three times in the fourth quarter is just embarrassing. Frankly, the defense quit in the fourth quarter but why? Simple, they were tired after spending most of the game on the field when the offense couldn't move the damn ball.
:D

[xu2006]

The Bengal injured was Keith Rivers, their No. 1 draft choice
and one of their few bright spots this season. Hinds Ward broke his jaw for him with what looked like a legal hit that wasn't flagged. On further review Ward can be seen dropping his shoulder in an apparent legal hit and attempt to break a tackle. But then he follows with an obvious forearm to the his face.
Both Mike Martin and Dave Lapham said that "when you play the Steelers you have to expect this and get the first lick in and be prepared for a rough physical game."
Every time these two team play, the Bengals come out on the short end of the injury sheet even if they win which is rare. And Hines Ward is the one lobbying the NFL to stop fining Troy Palamalu for his illegal hits when no penalties are called.
:D

Alan Cutler raised a pretty good point during the 6:00 hour of his show today:

Football is a rough game.
The Steelers' players have to worry about getting fined for hitting players.
The Bengals' players have to worry about getting fined for wearing improper uniforms, their behavior off the field, and their TD celebrations (which have become few and far between).Maybe the Bengals have the wrong mentality about what the game really is and how it's played. I didn't see any passion or energy from the Bengals yesterday until Cedric B. hit Troy Palamalu in the 3rd quarter. Who's to blame for this? The players? The coaching staff?

[Juice]

That's exactly what I'm hoping for. In fact that's the ONLY thing I am root for the Bengals to do. I was a Bengals fan for all 30 years of my life till this off-season. I saw the writing on the wall when they did NOTHING to significantly improve this team (both FA and Draft).

Then when they resigned Henry I had enough...I swore off this team right then and there. I saw the signs...I wanted no part in going through the 90's again. I WILL NOT root for this team until Mike Brown either hires a GM or sells the team (I'd prefer the later).

Understand this...all that POS Mike Brown cares about it the money he is making. He has NO incentive to improve the team much less give up control of player selection. This team will never go anywhere while he is calling the shots.

Do yourselves a favor and divorce the Bengals like I have. It's SO much better now that I have. I actually enjoy NFL games now. I get to laugh like everyone else at the Bengals. I'm still looking for a new team, but I'm loving life as a nomad NFL Fan.

The only thing you can count on from the Bengals is losing. If you can't realize that by now...I feel sorry for you.

Before the season started, I loved it when people actually predicted a winning record for this team. I was expecting a 5-11 record or something like that but this team is performing well past the crap expectations I had for them. So at this point why not hope for 0-16?

I also agree with you about enjoying the rest of the NFL. My friends and I watch the NFL Sunday ticket and watch real teams play meaningful games. We watch 50% of the Bengals games at best now. I have not missed a thing all year. In fact, all I did this weekend was listen to parts of the game on 700.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The Bengal injured was Keith Rivers, their No. 1 draft choice
and one of their few bright spots this season. Hinds Ward broke his jaw for him with what looked like a legal hit that wasn't flagged. On further review Ward can be seen dropping his shoulder in an apparent legal hit and attempt to break a tackle. But then he follows with an obvious forearm to the his face.
Both Mike Martin and Dave Lapham said that "when you play the Steelers you have to expect this and get the first lick in and be prepared for a rough physical game."
Every time these two team play, the Bengals come out on the short end of the injury sheet even if they win which is rare. And Hines Ward is the one lobbying the NFL to stop fining Troy Palamalu for his illegal hits when no penalties are called.
The referee Ed Hockuli worked Sunday's game and this is about the fourth or fifth week he and his team have screwed up teams with incorrect calls or missed calls that resulted injury to players and subsequent fines by the NFL against the guilty player.
What I have just said is absolutely no excuse for yesterday's demonstration. Five three-and-outs on their first five possessions. A standing O when they finally made a first down. Unbelieveably bad breakdowns in the fourth quarter when an exhausted defense that will be even shorter on talent than ever with Rivers lost. And then there was the matter of Firzpatrick being sacked seven?? times! And the play calling of Bob Bratowski. The first five series Sunday were the same. run on first down, run or short swing pass on second down for big loss or little gain, five yard swing pass on third and 8 or 9.
The one time they came out firing and passed on damn near every down, was the drive on which they scored. Then in the second half they followed the same script as the first quarter, run short or no gain, run or pass short or no gain, third-down incomplete pass or dropped pass or swing well short of needed yardage.
And getting beat deep three times in the fourth quarter is just embarrassing. Frankly, the defense quit in the fourth quarter but why? Simple, they were tired after spending most of the game on the field when the offense couldn't move the damn ball.
:D

Actually it is the other way around. Polamalu was the one criticizing the NFL for fining Ward on plays that recieved no fouls. I have only seen the play once but it looked clean to me. Extending you arms when hitting someone like that is a natural reaction and if it happens that he caught Rivers in the jaw that is unfortunate but not intentional. Ward is a receiver that is hard nosed and does anything to win. Any team would die for a WR like him, especially the Bengals.

[X-band '01]

I would love to see 0-16. I am rooting hard for it.
This team needs a leader. Get Carson Palmer, Chad Johnson, Marvin Lewis the hell out of here. Start over and draft offensive line, then def line, then off line, then def line. Get a free agent qb who actually knows how to LEAD a team and go from there. Carson, Chad, and Marvin make me sick.

Palmer is out for at least 1 more game; in the immortal words of Jim Rome, the last thing I would want to see is a quarterback who acts like he cares and wants to win. I don't think we need to worry about Fitzpatrick winning a game; what if Jordan Palmer acts like he wants to win a game or two towards the end of the season?

Chad Johnson and TJ are both ticking time bombs; give them enough time and they'll eventually explode.

Maybe we should wonder if the Bengals will have a player arrested before they win a game this year instead. Games at Houston and Baltimore and Kansas City will be tough games to lose, but it's certainly possible.

[Xcess]

The Bengals are the epitome of a Losing Culture. The best thing to happen to the sity of Cincinnati would be for the Browns to take this team to another town thereby allowing Cincinnati to hope for an expansion team. We all know that isn't going to happen for a variety of reasons. We're stuck with losers from the top down with the Bengals. If I were Chad and TJ I'd do anything possible to get out of this city. Along with Palmer, they have spent the prime years of their careers with losers. Its sad. We can only hope the Brown children are smart enough to sell the team someday or hire a general manager.

[drudy23]

They are so bad that I did yard work instead of watching the game. But not my yard work. The house next to me is in foreclosure and no one lives there. The weeds were starting to bother me.

So, I skipped the Bengals game to do yard work on a house that's not even mine...and probably enjoyed myself more.

[xeus]

They are so bad that I did yard work instead of watching the game. But not my yard work. The house next to me is in foreclosure and no one lives there. The weeds were starting to bother me.

So, I skipped the Bengals game to do yard work on a house that's not even mine...and probably enjoyed myself more.

drudy, you need to email Lance - he'll love that one!

[X-band '01]

I hate to burst your bubble, but Paul Daugherty already did that schtick several years back. He literally raked someone else's yard (in a reader-submitted contest) in lieu of covering the Bengals that week.

[XU05and07]

They are so bad that I did yard work instead of watching the game. But not my yard work. The house next to me is in foreclosure and no one lives there. The weeds were starting to bother me.

So, I skipped the Bengals game to do yard work on a house that's not even mine...and probably enjoyed myself more.


I hate to burst your bubble, but Paul Daugherty already did that schtick several years back. He literally raked someone else's yard (in a reader-submitted contest) in lieu of covering the Bengals that week.

still a funny story...

GO BENGALS...0-16 is an attainable goal!

[Smails]

I hate to burst your bubble, but Paul Daugherty already did that schtick several years back. He literally raked someone else's yard (in a reader-submitted contest) in lieu of covering the Bengals that week.

True, but I like Drudy's better, since it incorporates the misery of the housing crisis and the misery of bengaldom all in one..


Personally, I got the old leaf blower out, made a big pile o leaves and let my 5 and 2 year old go crazy. Perhaps my most enjoyable Sunday in a month

[Kahns Krazy]

I'm going to climb up on a billboard and not come down until they win.

[MADXSTER]

I'm going to climb up on a billboard and not come down until they win.


Are you the new billboard sitting Wildman Walker??

[D-West & PO-Z]

The Bengal injured was Keith Rivers, their No. 1 draft choice
and one of their few bright spots this season. Hinds Ward broke his jaw for him with what looked like a legal hit that wasn't flagged. On further review Ward can be seen dropping his shoulder in an apparent legal hit and attempt to break a tackle. But then he follows with an obvious forearm to the his face.
Both Mike Martin and Dave Lapham said that "when you play the Steelers you have to expect this and get the first lick in and be prepared for a rough physical game."
Every time these two team play, the Bengals come out on the short end of the injury sheet even if they win which is rare. And Hines Ward is the one lobbying the NFL to stop fining Troy Palamalu for his illegal hits when no penalties are called.
The referee Ed Hockuli worked Sunday's game and this is about the fourth or fifth week he and his team have screwed up teams with incorrect calls or missed calls that resulted injury to players and subsequent fines by the NFL against the guilty player.
What I have just said is absolutely no excuse for yesterday's demonstration. Five three-and-outs on their first five possessions. A standing O when they finally made a first down. Unbelieveably bad breakdowns in the fourth quarter when an exhausted defense that will be even shorter on talent than ever with Rivers lost. And then there was the matter of Firzpatrick being sacked seven?? times! And the play calling of Bob Bratowski. The first five series Sunday were the same. run on first down, run or short swing pass on second down for big loss or little gain, five yard swing pass on third and 8 or 9.
The one time they came out firing and passed on damn near every down, was the drive on which they scored. Then in the second half they followed the same script as the first quarter, run short or no gain, run or pass short or no gain, third-down incomplete pass or dropped pass or swing well short of needed yardage.
And getting beat deep three times in the fourth quarter is just embarrassing. Frankly, the defense quit in the fourth quarter but why? Simple, they were tired after spending most of the game on the field when the offense couldn't move the damn ball.
:D


Actually it is the other way around. Polamalu was the one criticizing the NFL for fining Ward on plays that recieved no fouls. I have only seen the play once but it looked clean to me. Extending you arms when hitting someone like that is a natural reaction and if it happens that he caught Rivers in the jaw that is unfortunate but not intentional. Ward is a receiver that is hard nosed and does anything to win. Any team would die for a WR like him, especially the Bengals.

Just saw it again Q. Ward's forearm came nowhere near River's face. Not even close.

[wkrq59]

The Bengals are the epitome of a Losing Culture. The best thing to happen to the sity of Cincinnati would be for the Browns to take this team to another town thereby allowing Cincinnati to hope for an expansion team. We all know that isn't going to happen for a variety of reasons. We're stuck with losers from the top down with the Bengals. If I were Chad and TJ I'd do anything possible to get out of this city. Along with Palmer, they have spent the prime years of their careers with losers. Its sad. We can only hope the Brown children are smart enough to sell the team someday or hire a general manager.
If the Bengals leave town, there WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER NFL FRANCHISE IN THIS CITY OR AREA. After Paul Brown died the NFL was damned unhappy that the team stayed here. There were according to some dubious sources several meetings between the NFL and the Brown family before Marvin Lewis was hired and the Brown family was told the league would step in if Lewis weren't hired.
The NFL also told city leaders in no uncertain terms there would be no expansion franchise if that stadium were not built. You can see today there is no expansion franchise in Los Angeles.:D

[Juice]

Buffalo and Jacksonville are two good candidates for relocation to LA.

[muskiegirl9]

:mad:

I think everyone is missing the point about the hit on Keith Rivers. Just because Hines Ward didn't get penalized, doesn't make the hit "legal". I too have watched the replay countless times and I saw helmet to helmet contact, which is NOT a legal hit. It is proven fact the the umpire team we had yesterday has been under fire recently for bad calls, missed calls and no calls, like the one yesterday. Anyone happen to notice the Bengals being penalized when Hines Ward was hit in the end zone?
I am not denying the Bengals are terrible and have been since Mike Brown took over. I have been a life long Bengals fan and will continue to be despite Mike Brown.

[X-band '01]

You can see today there is no expansion franchise in Los Angeles.:D

Los Angeles is in no hurry to build a stadium; they simply don't WANT another team right now.

In fact, if you look at baseball, football, and basketball, LA collectively has ONE franchise that was originally based in LA. Rep points to whoever can name it (as well as their current title).

[Swifty]

Los Angeles is in no hurry to build a stadium; they simply don't WANT another team right now.

In fact, if you look at baseball, football, and basketball, LA collectively has ONE franchise that was originally based in LA. Rep points to whoever can name it (as well as their current title).

Los Angeles Angels, now Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim

[dc_x]

Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim

[The Artist]

The hit on Ward was flagged because it happened, as you said, in the endzone and was late. Personally, I thought it could have gone uncalled, but I see why the flag was thrown.

I see nothing wrong with the hit on Rivers. He hit him from his blind side and it was a hell of a collision.

I have no rooting interest in either team. If I had to choose, I'd probably go Bengals.

[AdamtheFlyer]

And most of the citizens of LA relocated there, too.

Which is why the NFL won't work in LA.

[Jumpy]

Los Angeles is in no hurry to build a stadium; they simply don't WANT another team right now.

In fact, if you look at baseball, football, and basketball, LA collectively has ONE franchise that was originally based in LA. Rep points to whoever can name it (as well as their current title).

Los Angeles Angels -> California Angels -> Anaheim Angels -> Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim

[Jumpy]

If the Bengals leave town, there WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER NFL FRANCHISE IN THIS CITY OR AREA. After Paul Brown died the NFL was damned unhappy that the team stayed here. There were according to some dubious sources several meetings between the NFL and the Brown family before Marvin Lewis was hired and the Brown family was told the league would step in if Lewis weren't hired.
The NFL also told city leaders in no uncertain terms there would be no expansion franchise if that stadium were not built. You can see today there is no expansion franchise in Los Angeles.:D


I'm not privy to the conversations behind closed doors, but I have to agree that we will never see an expansion team in Cincy if the Bengals leave. The league's size is capped for the foreseeable future. they have the perfect diviosional setup with 4 divisions of 4 teams in each conference and will not budge from that for one expansion franchise. We will see relocation of a few teams before the league even thinks about adding teams. It could be decades before we see a change in the number of teams in the NFL.

The more likely scenario, since their world expansion plans have so far failed, is that they focus on building a minor league system in the U.S.

[X-band '01]

Well done Swifty and DC - you both get repped for coming in within a minute of each other. I might as well rep Jumpy as well, even though I didn't ask for the comprehensive history of team names.

[X-band '01]

The more likely scenario, since their world expansion plans have so far failed, is that they focus on building a minor league system in the U.S.

That's what NFL Europe was supposed to be - a developmental league for the NFL. But given the attention to college football (and, for that matter, college basketball) in this country, an NFL D-league won't be able to take off.

[Jumpy]

Well done Swifty and DC - you both get repped for coming in within a minute of each other. I might as well rep Jumpy as well, even though I didn't ask for the comprehensive history of team names.

that's me, always the overachiever!

[gladdenguy]

My wife's cousin decided to grow his beard until they win a game. Needless to say, it is long, starting to itch, and if he has to go until next season, he will have to fork over some cash.

[DC Muskie]

Question-

What will it take for the Bengals to hire a GM?

[Jumpy]

for Mike to pass on and Katie to take over. Even then, its not a given that she will be willing to admit her lack of GM abilities.

[Juice]

Word on the radio is that Mike Brown sent a letter to all Suite ticket holders to pay $9,000 more for next year

[Smails]

Question-

What will it take for the Bengals to hire a GM?

A massive coronary...and hope that the daughter is more like gramps than her old man

[XU05and07]

Team records when they fired their coach or GM:
49ers: 2-5 (Fired Nolan)
Lions: 0-3 (Fired Millen, 31-84 in tenure)
Rams: 0-4 (Fired Linehan)
Raiders: 1-3 (Fired Kiffin)

Moves that haven't been made:
Bengals: 0-7

[XU05and07]

Word on the radio is that Mike Brown sent a letter to all Suite ticket holders to pay $9,000 more for next year

update on that...the increase is $9,000 per game...for a total of $90,000

[Kahns Krazy]

update on that...the increase is $9,000 per game...for a total of $90,000


I don't think that's possible. Those suites hold 20 people. I really don't think even Mike Brown is capable of asking people to swallow a $450 increse per seat. I would imagine this is an increase to $90k.

[Kahns Krazy]

Question-

What will it take for the Bengals to hire a GM?

If there were a dramatic enough drop in ticket sales, such that the value of the franchise was at risk, I think you'd see Mike step up and do some things to preserve the money. Maybe not though. A huge chunk of the revenue comes from the sharing.

I think there is probably something not 100% right mentally about Mike Brown. There are very few people who would not respond to the level of criticism that man is subject to.

[XU05and07]

I don't think that's possible. Those suites hold 20 people. I really don't think even Mike Brown is capable of asking people to swallow a $450 increse per seat. I would imagine this is an increase to $90k.

that's what I would hope...but I am just passing along what is being talked about on the radio

[Kahns Krazy]

that's what I would hope...but I am just passing along what is being talked about on the radio

I wonder if it's possible that people talking on the radio don't know what they are talking about. That would be a first. :rolleyes:

[XU05and07]

I wonder if it's possible that people talking on the radio don't know what they are talking about. That would be a first. :rolleyes:

they are always right...they know exactly what is going on...they're like the pope and infallible

[ATL Muskie]

My wife's cousin decided to grow his beard until they win a game. Needless to say, it is long, starting to itch, and if he has to go until next season, he will have to fork over some cash.

Here's his cousin after the game:

http://media.npr.org/blogs/bryantpark/jackpassion.jpg

[PM Thor]

First off it is terrible IMO whenever a player gets hurt, but that was a sweet hit and I'm sure that is what the fans were cheering about, not the fact that they guy was injured. Did maybe some of the jackasses cheer a little too long once it was apparent a guy was down? Probably. And fans need to realize that and stop, but ultimately I would guess the vast majority were cheering about the play not the result.

I have absolutely no problem with Wards hit. It was a crushing hit, no problem. It was the reaction of the fans directly behind me that rankled me. They were yelling things out like "Scoop him up", "Get the body off the floor", laughing about it. Even one of their own fans said that they went too far celebrating the hit. Just another example why I don't like that fanbase, and never will. It's not to the level of hating them, but it's not far off.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I have absolutely no problem with Wards hit. It was a crushing hit, no problem. It was the reaction of the fans directly behind me that rankled me. They were yelling things out like "Scoop him up", "Get the body off the floor", laughing about it. Even one of their own fans said that they went too far celebrating the hit. Just another example why I don't like that fanbase, and never will. It's not to the level of hating them, but it's not far off.

There is and always will be some jackasses in every fan base. The people behind you fit that category. However you pointed out that one of the other Steelers criticized them for doing that. So did you run into a couple of jack offs? yeah. But you can really lump them all as one big group.

[gladdenguy]

Here's his cousin after the game:

http://media.npr.org/blogs/bryantpark/jackpassion.jpg

I like that Atl.

[PMI]

Every fanbase has it's assholes, true. Some seem to have more than others though, as certain fanbases seem to take pride in lacking class. I have probably been to games involving about 20 or more different teams and fanbases, and nobody holds a candle to the Philadelphia Eagles when it comes to lacking class in my experience. They're the only ones who I can honestly say seem to have more asshole fans than decent ones, whereas the rest seem to have a minority that just stick out because they're loud, drunk, and obnoxious. Philly fans are just born loud, drunk, and obnoxious, and they are rewarded with over 4 decades of starving for a championship. I hope I never live to see any Philly pro sports team win anything. Go Rays.

By the way, some friends and I are driving out to Cincy for the Skins-Bengals game on 12/14 and I almost feel like turning myself in for a crime after how little we paid for tickets only a few rows behind the Skins bench. Even at 0-7 or worse, those tickets would be an arm and a leg at FedEx. I'm pumped to say the least.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Every fanbase has it's assholes, true. Some seem to have more than others though, as certain fanbases seem to take pride in lacking class. I have probably been to games involving about 20 or more different teams and fanbases, and nobody holds a candle to the Philadelphia Eagles when it comes to lacking class in my experience. They're the only ones who I can honestly say seem to have more asshole fans than decent ones, whereas the rest seem to have a minority that just stick out because they're loud, drunk, and obnoxious. Philly fans are just born loud, drunk, and obnoxious, and they are rewarded with over 4 decades of starving for a championship. I hope I never live to see any Philly pro sports team win anything. Go Rays.

By the way, some friends and I are driving out to Cincy for the Skins-Bengals game on 12/14 and I almost feel like turning myself in for a crime after how little we paid for tickets only a few rows behind the Skins bench. Even at 0-7 or worse, those tickets would be an arm and a leg at FedEx. I'm pumped to say the least.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Although I have never been to an Eagles game they are just so notorious for it. They have a court room in their stadium with a judge there every Sunday! I am also a Knicks fan and have been to a Knicks 76ers game in Philly about 4 years ago and those fans were horrible. I was getting harasses by two 11 year old kids no joke. Luckily Alan Houston hit a 3 pointer at the buzzer to send the game into OT after the Knicks had been down by as much as 20 in the second half. The knicks went on to win in OT! Go Rays!

[D-West & PO-Z]

:mad:

I think everyone is missing the point about the hit on Keith Rivers. Just because Hines Ward didn't get penalized, doesn't make the hit "legal". I too have watched the replay countless times and I saw helmet to helmet contact, which is NOT a legal hit. It is proven fact the the umpire team we had yesterday has been under fire recently for bad calls, missed calls and no calls, like the one yesterday. Anyone happen to notice the Bengals being penalized when Hines Ward was hit in the end zone?
I am not denying the Bengals are terrible and have been since Mike Brown took over. I have been a life long Bengals fan and will continue to be despite Mike Brown.

No fine for Ward. I didnt think there would be or should be.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3655817

Also Ed Hoculi, the hed ref for that game made that one terrible call ad it will haunt him for a while, but he has been an outstanding official for a long long time. He mad a horrible call earlier in the year but people need to give it a rest.