Nesselroad-Slaby on Oprah

[XU05and07]

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20080930/NEWS01/809300307

Cincinnati's "most hated mom" is on Oprah today to talk about killing her kid. I think that Oprah is having her on to be a wake-up call to all parents to slow down. But I wonder what kind of money that Nesselroad-Slaby will be making on this appearance. How does she benefit?

[gladdenguy]

My wife and fellow women teachers have been talking about this all week. In fact, most of my fellow female teachers think she should have life in prison just like the woman who put her baby in the microwave.
I think she tells Oprah she is one of the most hated mothers in America. Oprah responds, "well yeah, I would think so".
I will be watching because my wife has the DVR set.

[GoMuskies]

Who cares? She had a horrible lapse of judgment, and it cost her and her child dearly. It's an interesting story for Oprah. I'm sure it wasn't her that contacted the Oprah show.

Some of the comments to that article are ridiculous. People want to throw the county prosecutor out of a job for.....following the law. Guess that's life in elected office.

[gladdenguy]

Some people care that a woman is that ignorant to have her own child and make such a careless, easily avoidable mistake that even a twelve-year old wouldn't make. If you don't fine, but some people do, and rightfully so.
If you don't care then don't reply to the post. That would be a great idea.

[GoMuskies]

I care that people are being so ridiculous about it.

[xeus]

Some people care that a woman is that ignorant to have her own child and make such a careless, easily avoidable mistake that even a twelve-year old wouldn't make. If you don't fine, but some people do, and rightfully so.
If you don't care then don't reply to the post. That would be a great idea.

Do you think Don White, the Clermont County Prosecutor, should have ignored the laws of Ohio and just gone with public sentiment?

That said, I think she's an idiot for going on Oprah.

[gladdenguy]

She is beyond an idiot for going on Oprah. but hello, she killed her child because she wasn't responsible enough to take her baby out of the car. Does it surprise you she's going on Oprah????
As far as the laws go. OJ, Cedric Benson, and Chris Henry get acquitted. You think I give a **** about what goes on in a courtroom. All I know is that I stay out of courtrooms.
And as far as this lady, I hope someone carelessly kills her. The saying what goes around comes around hopefully will apply to this bafoon.

[xeus]

You think I give a **** about what goes on in a courtroom. All I know is that I stay out of courtrooms.


I feel the same way about classrooms.

[gladdenguy]

I agree there. I got to stay out of those as well.

[Frambo]

we had a football scrimmage with Glen Este right after this happened. The GE coaches were very forthcoming with their opinions and stories about her. While they were rightfully sad and hurt by what had happened, they were also very supportive of her - going on and on about the good she had done prior to this mistake.

[Emp]

say it a few more times "killed her baby" if it makes you feel good. The way some posters fixate on words and will never give them up because it feels good to hate someone you dont even know is amazing.

12 year olds never make fatal mistakes? Like shooting playmates with unlocked loaded guns? A horrible lapse in memory does not constitute killing, murder, manslaughter. Compassion for someone who experiences such a horrible loss is...oh, the Xtian way.

Perhaps her real crime is being hypenated? They oughta shoot any libberwho hypenates is what I say.

[XU 87]

My wife and fellow women teachers have been talking about this all week. In fact, most of my fellow female teachers think she should have life in prison just like the woman who put her baby in the microwave.


Do you equate with forgetting that your baby is in the car with puposefully killing your child?

How about a doctor who misdiagnoses a patient and the patient ultimately dies because of the doctor's mistake. Should we send the doctor to prison for his negligence?

[gladdenguy]

Totally different in my opinion.
Bottom line: If you leave your baby in the car all day and forget because you are "overloaded" with work, you are an idiot/moron/incapable parent, etc.
I guess I can not fathom it because I can guarantee it would never happen to me.
How do you get out of your fricken car and forget the baby. Then you walk towards the building and forget the baby. Then you walk in the building and forget the baby. Then you sit in your freakin office for 8 hours and forget your baby. Unfreakinbelievable.

A doctor who misdiagnoses a patient does not compare to the idiocy of that woman.
We can agree to disagree but that is a poor comparison in my opinion.
I guess she is the one who has to live with it everyday and if she can go on with her daily life, talk on Oprah about her "mistake", maybe she and OJ should get together. I think they can forget the past and have a nice life together.

[XU 87]

It's not a poor comparison. Due to the mother's negligence, a child died. Due to a doctor's negligence, a child died.

Do they both go to jail?

[gladdenguy]

The doctor was doing his job and just made the wrong decision.
The mother was not doing her job. This was not a decision, it was ignorance.
Now, if the doctor was the only doctor that could operate or make a decision on the patient and he "forgot" to show up for work because he was "overloaded" with whatever, then yes the doctor should go to jail.

But, heck, thanks to the justice system, they have led her to believe that this was just a silly "mistake".
Again, throw me right into my grave if I do something like this. But most of us would never do this because we think of our children 6 million times a day, especially when they are little.
She, on the other hand, is worried about work and getting her 2nd masters degree.
Hopefully she will be on 100% effective birth control for the rest of her life. She better not take the next ignorant step and try to "replace" this child because she never deserves a child again.
We will agree to disagree. Like I said. You can't change my mind on this stupidity.

[Lloyd Christmas]

I guess she is the one who has to live with it everyday and if she can go on with her daily life, talk on Oprah about her "mistake", maybe she and OJ should get together. I think they can forget the past and have a nice life together.

So you are saying she should kill herself or someone should do it for her? What other choice does she have besides trying to go on with her daily life?

[drudy23]

Totally different in my opinion.
Bottom line: If you leave your baby in the car all day and forget because you are "overloaded" with work, you are an idiot/moron/incapable parent, etc.
I guess I can not fathom it because I can guarantee it would never happen to me.
How do you get out of your fricken car and forget the baby. Then you walk towards the building and forget the baby. Then you walk in the building and forget the baby. Then you sit in your freakin office for 8 hours and forget your baby. Unfreakinbelievable.

A doctor who misdiagnoses a patient does not compare to the idiocy of that woman.
We can agree to disagree but that is a poor comparison in my opinion.
I guess she is the one who has to live with it everyday and if she can go on with her daily life, talk on Oprah about her "mistake", maybe she and OJ should get together. I think they can forget the past and have a nice life together.

I agree that the comparison is not a good one. Just like the comparison of a cop shooting an innocent victim is not a good one. There are different standards for cops and doctors around "causing death." Basically, they have more "wiggle room" because of the profession they are in...and that's understandable and necessary for them to effectively do their work.

You don't get that same leeway for simply being a parent. It's not the same. I would imagine that we'll see some changes in this law going forward to make these types of "mistakes" a crime.

The real question isn't "is it a crime"...it's obvious it is not based on the cases to date. The question is "What punishment should exist for this crime" once it becomes one.

[gladdenguy]

What I'm saying is that if I was responsible for the same thing, which btw, would never happen to me and probably everyone else on this board because we love our children and think about them every single day all day, you could dig the hole and I would take my spot. I could not go on living and I don't think most people could. That is why this doesn't happen often, because 99.9% of parents would never be so careless.

[Lloyd Christmas]

think about them every single day all day

how do you get any work done if you are thinking about your kid all day long?

i bet if you asked nessleroad-slaby the day before this happened, she would have said "It would never happen to me because I love my child and think about her every day all day."

[gladdenguy]

Exactly, the day before. The next day she killed her child.

[Emp]

why do you revel in saying it over and over? Does it bring you some satisfaction, some peace of mind? Is there some revenge you must have?

Parenting is the most difficult and most important job any of us will ever do. The prospect of some day making a mistake that would result in the death of a child is unthinkable, but it happens. Lacking empathy for someone who has to live with that is your own issue. Poking a stick into this unfortunate situation and making a big public deal about how strongly you feel is getting progressively more sick and disturbing. What next, posting coroner photos?

Get a grip on it, please.

[gladdenguy]

Just answered the questions that were posed to me by 87 and Lloyd Christmas.
If you don't want to read anything else on the topic don't click on the thread oh bright one.
You are the one who talked about posting coroner photos so in my mind, you might have an issue.
Bottom line: don't click on the thread. I smell a re-re.

[GoMuskies]

Bottom line: don't click on the thread.

Yeah, well you don't click on the thread if you don't agree with TEHNC. So there. Ha! Nana nana boo boo. I'm rubber, you're glue. Etc.

[nuts4xu]

That is a real compassionate and empathetic way of looking at things, gladdenguy. You are all heart. I am quite certain this would NEVER happen to me, and I can not begin to fathom how it could happen to someone else.

When I have lil Nuts in the car, I am always looking in the rear view mirror at him, talking to him, if he falls asleep I make sure his head isn't wobbling around like a kite in the wind, and no matter what is on my mind, I am glad to have the little man with me and I try to stay engaged in his world until I drop him off at daycare or his mom's, etc.

Having said that, I can only pray for anyone that isn't as engaged in the life of their child. Putting Slaby in jail isn't going to make anything better, or prevent it from happening again. Should there be consequences on the books, I can see that side of the arguement so this law isn't abused. But since it isn't a crime right now, I just hope the message of her story gets out and prevents it from happening again, in at least ONE person's life. The thought of being in her position is depressing. If it happened to me, I would be a mess mentally, and don't know how I could continue to live without heavy medication and counseling.

[XU 87]

The doctor was doing his job and just made the wrong decision.
The mother was not doing her job. This was not a decision, it was ignorance.


Doctors get sued not for just making the wrong decision, but forgetting to do things (obtain a test result, follow up with a patient or another doctor, etc etc). So if a doctor forgets to do something and the patient dies, should the doctor go to jail?

My point is that we're going down a slippery slope if we start criminally prosecuting people for acts of negligence.

We curently criminally prosecute if the negligent act involves a car accident involving death or an accident involving a gun. But I think that's it. And I would argue that charging someone with vehicular homicide for negligently taking a left hand turn and not seeing the oncoming car serves no purpose.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Exactly, the day before. The next day she killed her child.

You are an idiot. What llyod was saying is that just like you I am sure she would have said before that she wouldnever forget her child in the car but you know what she did you are right, but just because you are saying it would never happen to you doesnt necessarily mean it couldnt.

Also as to the point of people thinking about their kids all the time, her co-workers reported to the police that she mentioned he children several times that day and that it never clicked with her forgetting the child in the car.

[drudy23]

I think what gladdenguy is trying to point out is that there is no debate that she CAUSED the death of her child. As TNT Deters has pointed out over and over again, that doesn't mean it's a crime. Gladdenguy thinks it should be...and he could be right. I'm one that thinks that maybe this law should be changed so these "mistakes" can be prosecuted.

He knows she didn't break the law...that doesn't mean he has to accept it and be forgiving. He's allowed his opinion.

Is it "wrong" to be "for" abortion? You can argue it till the cows come home, but it's damn near impossible to sway an opinion on these types of issues. He can't believe your forgiveness for this woman, while you can't believe his hatred of her.

Neither is wrong....may God continue to bless America.

[GoMuskies]

there is no debate

If you think there is no debate then you shouldn't have clicked this thread. Jeezus drudy. Bottom line, don't click this thread! When will people get it into their thick skulls not to click on this thread?!? Why are people still clicking on this thread?!?

[Kahns Krazy]

What if the baby was crawling age and crawled behind the rear of the car and the mother backed over it? What if the husband assumed the wife was going to take the baby to daycare, and the wife thought the husband had taken the baby, and the sleeping baby was in the car, unknown to the mother?

What if you're at a party, and you turn your head, and your kid falls off the swingset and cracks his head open. Should you be charged with abuse? What if your kid gets hurt at school?

Gladdenguy is looney tunes. You can just take a look at my PM box to see that.

[Smooth]

What if the baby was crawling age and crawled behind the rear of the car and the mother backed over it? What if the husband assumed the wife was going to take the baby to daycare, and the wife thought the husband had taken the baby, and the sleeping baby was in the car, unknown to the mother?

What if you're at a party, and you turn your head, and your kid falls off the swingset and cracks his head open. Should you be charged with abuse? What if your kid gets hurt at school?

Gladdenguy is looney tunes. You can just take a look at my PM box to see that.

What if a woman's new boyfriend won't marry her because he doesn't want to take care of some other guy's kid, so she decides to "forget" her kid one day and then says "Oops, (sniff, sniff) I forgot. (pause to wipe eyes) I wish I had my baby back."

Having or getting a new mate is the motive for the mothers that kill their kids. Now they have a way to get away with it.

[GoMuskies]

What if a woman's new boyfriend won't marry her because he doesn't want to take care of some other guy's kid, so she decides to "forget" her kid one day and then says "Oops, (sniff, sniff) I forgot. (pause to wipe eyes) I wish I had my baby back."

Having or getting a new mate is the motive for the mothers that kill their kids. Now they have a way to get away with it.

Well, no, if the prosecutor doesn't believe the mother's story, the mother is charged with murder. It's all a matter of intent. Tough issue to prove one way or another, of course.

[XU 87]

But he brings up an interesting point. Want to kill your baby? Stick the child in the car while you are at work and then say "You forgot".

[Kahns Krazy]

What if a woman's new boyfriend won't marry her because he doesn't want to take care of some other guy's kid, so she decides to "forget" her kid one day and then says "Oops, (sniff, sniff) I forgot. (pause to wipe eyes) I wish I had my baby back."

Having or getting a new mate is the motive for the mothers that kill their kids. Now they have a way to get away with it.

Smooth, I am very concerned that the two high publicity baby deaths in cars without charges creates a roadmap for sick parents who are willing to harm their children. To that end, I would not be opposed to seeing legislation specifically dealing with children left in cars.

However, there already exist plenty of ways to "get away with it". Fortunately, most people with a big enough deficiency in judgement to contemplate harming their children as a way to get rid of them are often not smart enough to "get away with it", e.g. that dumb broad that claimed her foster child wandered away from a park.

[GoMuskies]

But he brings up an interesting point. Want to kill your baby? Stick the child in the car while you are at work and then say "You forgot".

Shoot someone and say it was an accident while cleaning your gun. Or claim self defense. Claim that you were under the influence of subscription medication and didn't know what you were doing. Claim you were insane. Drop your kid down the steps and claim the kid crawled to the stairs and fell. Throw your baby out a window and claim the kid crawled out. Smother your baby and claim the baby rolled over while sleeping and suffocated.

There are already plenty of things you can "claim" to escape criminal responsibility for killing someone. That means we should throw out intent as a criminal element? This is why we have prosecutors who have to make decisions about who to charge and juries who have to decide who is actually a criminal.

[xeus]

I think technically there could be a civil suit in this situation. Let's pretend, for the sake of argument, the parents were divorced and the mother negligently left the baby in the car and caused its death. The estate AND the father could both sue the mother. I guess technically the mother herself would actually have a claim to any recovery by the estate as the child's next of kin (which would not be allowed as a matter of policy) but it would be interesting to see if the father could recover on a parental loss of consortium claim.

[xu95]

I think technically there could be a civil suit in this situation. Let's pretend, for the sake of argument, the parents were divorced and the mother negligently left the baby in the car and caused its death. The estate AND the father could both sue the mother. I guess technically the mother herself would actually have a claim to any recovery by the estate as the child's next of kin (which would not be allowed as a matter of policy) but it would be interesting to see if the father could recover on a parental loss of consortium claim.


You lost me at technically.

xu95

[Kahns Krazy]

Shoot someone and say it was an accident while cleaning your gun. Or claim self defense. Claim that you were under the influence of subscription medication ....

Wait... what now?

[GoMuskies]

Wait... what now?

All defenses that would negate the necessary murder element of criminal intent.