Marvin Lewis is a Boob

[drudy23]

Post Friday practice:

"Why would I change?"

"I like where we are"

"I like what we've done"

With that attitide, he may be our coach into 2030....him and Mikey are two peas in a pod.

[blobfan]

The man's preaching the truth!! (Drudy, that is)

[cinskyline]

It really doesn't matter what Marvin says anymore.

As long as Brown owns the team, this will be a nothing organization.

[XU05and07]

Marvin's comments the past 2 weeks are strategically placed and worded. He is trying to find a way out of this city and off this team that he has no control over. He has no say in the players and Mike Brown's hands are all over this team.

Marvin is making very calculated comments...trying to get fired so that he gets his money and can get out of town quickly

[XU 87]

Marvin should be given a key to the city for just making this terrible organization competitive for a few years.

[gladdenguy]

I can't stand Marvin Lewis. Yes, he changed the culture the first 3 years in Cincinnati. Mike Brown was quick to give him a long term contract, and now since he is a cheap a&& we will have to put up with Marvin for the remaining years of his contract.
It was great to take a step forward but the longer we keep him the more steps back we take. Hire a new coach and continue to build on the success of others. Loyalty is overrated in business. After last year, he should have been fired. He would have been fired anywhere else.
Get him outta here. Take Bob Bratkowski with him. Not to mention Marvin's arrogant remarks during press conferences that do nothing but agitate the heck out of me.
It is time to turn the page and welcome surprisingly only the 9th coach in Bengals history considering how bad of a franchise we have in this joke of a professional sports town.

[gladdenguy]

Marvin should be given a key to the city for just making this terrible organization competitive for a few years.

Not for long 87. After this 2-14 season (maybe worse) we will be right back to the 90s unless he is given his pink slip.

[XU05and07]

Not for long 87. After this 2-14 season (maybe worse) we will be right back to the 90s unless he is given his pink slip.

IMO, I think any interim coach or other long term coach would go 2-14 (or worse) with this team...but I'm not a Bengals fan, so that might just be my dislike for the team

[MADXSTER]

Any Bengals head coach = Mike Brown's scape goat

[chico]

Marvin should be given a key to the city for just making this terrible organization competitive for a few years.

I have to agree with 87 (don't get used to it, though - you just got here first).

Mike Brown has worn Marvin Lewis down. If Marvin Lewis was coach of a team where ownership really cared about winning he'd be regarded as one of the best coaches in the game. Mike Brown is the anti-Midas.

Mike Brown does not care about winning - the guy only cares about the bottom line. He's raking in the cash right now so there is no need to make any attempt to field a competitive team. Mike Brown was supposed to give Marvin more say on personnel matters, but that was merely lip service. The Bengals have the most inept front office in all of professional sports, and it begins and ends with one man - Mike Brown. His first pick as GM was David Klingler. He traded up to get Ki Jana Carter. Instead of taking every pick of the New Orleans Saints, he took Akili Smith. He has made more bad picks than UC had arrests under Bob Huggins. He rose ticket prices on Christmas Eve. He is the alpha and the omega of ineptitude. And there is no light at the end of the tunnel, because his kids are in line to take over from him.

After Marvin's gone, do you think any worthwhile coach will come near this team?

[drudy23]

After Marvin's gone, do you think any worthwhile coach will come near this team?

Exactly why the Bill Cowher talk is comical.

[Juice]

After Marvin's gone, do you think any worthwhile coach will come near this team?

I agree with you and Drudy. If I am a top coordinator that is looking for a head coaching job, I would simply wait for the next thing to come along. There is no way I would waste my time and energy on this franchise and in the process hurt my stock for whenever I was looking for a new job, which is safe to assume because no coach stays here long.

Does everyone think that Marvin's stock has risen of fallen with this run with Bengals?
Coming from DC, he was the top coordinator out there looking for a job. Now he has shown that he cannot turn around the Bengals' defense for a variety of reasons.

Some could argue that most NFL teams know that Marvin has suffered under Mikey Boy and might but him some slack. In my opinion, I think Marvin's stock has falled and will have to take a coordinator job somewhere else before he ever sees another head coaching gig.

[XU 87]

Not for long 87. After this 2-14 season (maybe worse) we will be right back to the 90s unless he is given his pink slip.

I agree that Marvin needs to go. I think Marvin has lost this team, although Mike Brown didn't help by re-signing Henry. But what is a new coach going to do? Mike Brown and his incompetent staff are still running the team. It doesn't matter who coaches this team. The team will always suck.

But I think Marvin has at least one year left on his contract. So don't expect Brown to eat that year and fire him. Marvin will probably be back, no matter how bad things get. Don't forget- Brown has never fired a coach who had years left on his contract. The best we got was when he fired the ultimate of incompetency, Dave Shula, halfway through his last year. Things were so bad under Coslet that Coslet quit after two games into his last season.

The worst part is that I may have to go to a game this year. A client just called me and asked me to pick a game to go to with him. Maybe someone can help me- how do you tell a client "No, I don't want to waste my day watching the Bengals. Thanks anyway?"

[Tardy Turtle]

If Lewis is indeed a boob then perhaps all he needs is some duct tape.

[Jumpy]

If Lewis is indeed a boob then perhaps all he needs is some duct tape.

Pure awesomeness.

I'd rep you if I could, but it won't let me. I'll catch ya on the flip side.

[wkrq59]

I have long disliked Marvin Lewis for two facets of his personality that have not changed since he came here but have only grown worse. 1--He is a liar. 2--He is a control freak and a manipulating SOB.
Think about this for a moment. What is the easiest way Lewis can get back at Brown for rehiring Chris Henry and prove that he is even more devious than Brown. Simple. Just quit coaching and lose. Tell the gullible press in this town--and by the way I pity Mark Curnutte--especially the TV guys and Lance, "Everything's fine. What me worry? Why change when everything is fine?"
Rather than fight with him, Brown will stay above everything and let him hang himself.
Then when he's dumped by Brown, the Bengals organization will not have to worry about any complaints from the NFL for firing a black coach whom they insisted Brown hire.
The Bengals can hire some incompetent member of the staff--Borkowski maybe?--and move ever on their merry way, cashing those season-ticket checks and seat licenses or whatever they are called and nothing will happen.
The idea that Cincinnati could ever get a Bill Cower or a Bill Parcells or any really decent coach in here is as ridiculous as saying Xavier should have conducted a nationwide search and waited until a thoroughly vetted list of finalists had been interviewed before giving the job to Sean Miller and not had a coach u ntil September or later.
Both are unrealistic and equally silly and lacking any sort of realistic objectivity whatsoever.
Lewis got rid of Rudy because he didn't think he healed fast enough. He got rid of Willie becausee he had more control of the lockerroom than Marvin. He deserves every bum thing that befalls him and the fans get screwed again.:D

[gladdenguy]

I agree totally Q. Marvin is indeed a liar and a coniving(sp) one at that.
87, I through a boycott on the first game although I did go to Baltimore considering I reserved my flight in April. After the Baltimore game I couldn't fathom watching them lose to Tennessee.
My bengal van has not seen the daylight from outside the garage and I don't think it will this fall. Unless of course I ghost ride it down a hill after this losing season.
I gave my tickets away for the first game, and I have no idea whether I'll go down for Cleveland. I gave away my preseason games. This could be the first year (I've had tickets since I graduated college in 2001) that I don't attend a game.
It is truly sad.

[wkrq59]

GG, I understand. Fully. Look at it this way. You'll be saving gas:D

[Jumpy]

Q, I agree with your overall dislike for Marvin's style during press conferences, but unless you have strong ties to the locker room remaining from the days that you scribed for the paper, much of what you wrote is unfair conjecture.

What we do know is that Marvin, whether he chooses to admit it or not, has entered desperation mode.
Something had to be changed, and he took action. Time will tell if he made the right move for the team or not.

His release of Deltha, Rudy and Willie could be seen from as many different angles as people sit on different sides of the fence. In the end though, it signals Marvin's defining moment in Cincy. Either it will be his jump the shark moment or that time that we all look back on as the moment he turned things around.

Finally, I hope to GOD you weren't referring to Bob Bratkowski when you suggested that "Borowski" should be the next head coach. In a coaching staff full of lame ducks, he tops the list. I agree that it would be very difficult to get an established coach to come in here and take over the reigns. So, the best HC candidate already in Cincinnati would be Mike Zimmer. He's put his time in, has an outstanding knowledge of football and has succeeded everywhere he's been. He's already made quite the difference with the Bengals this year. The numbers are skewed because the absolute pitiful performances from the offense so far, but he already has this defense playing better than any in Marvin's tenure, save maybe the '05 defense.

[wkrq59]

Jumpy,
I have more than a few contacts inside that room and outside people. My objections to Marvin are simply that I don't like liars and he is that. From day one he has manipulated the truth to his own advantage and he has been sarcastic in public and downright insulting when he is asked questions merely seeking information. Also, I was being sarcastic when I suggested Bob B as a logical candidate for head coach. Unless this Bengals ship can be righted --how?---I think the whole house has to be cleaned out again. Just three years ago the Bengals offensive line was good, at times very good. Now Willie's gone, Steinbach is gone, and both went to teams in Cincy's division. Giacec (sp) gets bull rushed right back in Palmer's lap, Levi is slow and still fighting injuries and Bobby Williams is long in toot. The savior tight end, Utrecht is injured. The other tight end qualifies for Medicare. Johnson Ocho or whatever and T.J. are still hurt. The new receiver they spent a second or third-round draft choice on hasn't seen the field. Chatman and Holt are useless and Carson s getting the crap beat out of him on every play.
There is no such thing as a defining moment this season for Marvin Lewis. He is still an arrogant SOB who can't be civil to anyone.
Oh, and the defense, while improved to some extent, still gives uip big plays, misses assignments (even I can see that), and one of the best cornerbacks is hurt worse than anyone will admit. And how about those too many men on the field, falst starts, illegal formations and then frustration personal fouls.
But there's no reason to panic. Hah.:D

[boozehound]

Jumpy,
I have more than a few contacts inside that room and outside people. My objections to Marvin are simply that I don't like liars and he is that. From day one he has manipulated the truth to his own advantage and he has been sarcastic in public and downright insulting when he is asked questions merely seeking information. Also, I was being sarcastic when I suggested Bob B as a logical candidate for head coach. Unless this Bengals ship can be righted --how?---I think the whole house has to be cleaned out again. Just three years ago the Bengals offensive line was good, at times very good. Now Willie's gone, Steinbach is gone, and both went to teams in Cincy's division. Giacec (sp) gets bull rushed right back in Palmer's lap, Levi is slow and still fighting injuries and Bobby Williams is long in toot. The savior tight end, Utrecht is injured. The other tight end qualifies for Medicare. Johnson Ocho or whatever and T.J. are still hurt. The new receiver they spent a second or third-round draft choice on hasn't seen the field. Chatman and Holt are useless and Carson s getting the crap beat out of him on every play.
There is no such thing as a defining moment this season for Marvin Lewis. He is still an arrogant SOB who can't be civil to anyone.
Oh, and the defense, while improved to some extent, still gives uip big plays, misses assignments (even I can see that), and one of the best cornerbacks is hurt worse than anyone will admit. And how about those too many men on the field, falst starts, illegal formations and then frustration personal fouls.
But there's no reason to panic. Hah.:D

I think that Jumpy's major issue with what you said relates to Bob Bratkowski as the head coach. Most people think he should be fired from his current position as offensive coordinator, not promoted.

[Jumpy]

Jumpy,
I have more than a few contacts inside that room and outside people. My objections to Marvin are simply that I don't like liars and he is that. From day one he has manipulated the truth to his own advantage and he has been sarcastic in public and downright insulting when he is asked questions merely seeking information. Also, I was being sarcastic when I suggested Bob B as a logical candidate for head coach. Unless this Bengals ship can be righted --how?---I think the whole house has to be cleaned out again. Just three years ago the Bengals offensive line was good, at times very good. Now Willie's gone, Steinbach is gone, and both went to teams in Cincy's division. Giacec (sp) gets bull rushed right back in Palmer's lap, Levi is slow and still fighting injuries and Bobby Williams is long in toot. The savior tight end, Utrecht is injured. The other tight end qualifies for Medicare. Johnson Ocho or whatever and T.J. are still hurt. The new receiver they spent a second or third-round draft choice on hasn't seen the field. Chatman and Holt are useless and Carson s getting the crap beat out of him on every play.
There is no such thing as a defining moment this season for Marvin Lewis. He is still an arrogant SOB who can't be civil to anyone.
Oh, and the defense, while improved to some extent, still gives uip big plays, misses assignments (even I can see that), and one of the best cornerbacks is hurt worse than anyone will admit. And how about those too many men on the field, falst starts, illegal formations and then frustration personal fouls.
But there's no reason to panic. Hah.:D

I can appreciate you're dislike of Marvin for not being forthcoming with the media. The guy is not media savvy, and most times is downright rude to your brethren. It's no secret that he doesn't like most members of the local media nor they him. The truth, though, is outside of Jeff Fischer, not many NFL head coaches are respectful and forthcoming with the media. It's just harder to swallow from a guy whose teams have constantly underachieved.

You're right that the most detrimental blow to the offense is the loss of key players on the O-line, but Willie is not one of those players. The loss of Braham and Steinbach have killed the line. For the past two years, Willie has been largely inconsequential due to inability to stay healthy. You can argue that it was stupid to get rid of him because of his influence in the locker room, and that I won't argue against. However, with the franchising of Stacy Andrews and Willie's unwillingness to step aside and take a re-negotiated contract for his new role, I don't fault the decision to let him go in the least.

Overall, it seems as if you don't like Marvin simply because of his attitude towards local media. Considering your former profession, I can't say that I blame you. But all the reasons you gave for him needing to go boil down to injuries and as far as I'm concerned, you can't blame a head coach for injuries to players.

I don't like losing. No one does. But at the moment, Marvin gives us a hope of winning, at least. As many in this thread have already said (including you if I remember correctly), no established HC will come here with Son of Paul breathing down their neck. So, we either ride out the wave of a multitude of unfortunate injuries and circumstances that have caused our team to temporarily regress or we cut bait and start over again. While I'm getting closer to your side of the fence with each inept performance, I'm not so certain that the latter option is the better yet.

[Xman95]

Lewis is a boob, but at least he's not nearly the size of a boob as one of those man teets that Romeo Crennel is smuggling under his shirt.

[wkrq59]

Again as I have seen from the outset of this franchise, the Bengals play reasonably well and lose, the victim of theirf own mistakes and absolutely stupid offensive plays I have to assume are sent in by Bratkowski.
On a first and second down situation late, Bengals run the ball twice against an 8-in-the-box set. They are penalized, one call coming at a crucial time late in a drive.
Then in the overtime, he runs the ball twice and gets nothing, again 8-in-box. Motion penalties, stupid face masks and a couple of dumb interference calls when all the db had to do was turn around and knock the pass down. That's on coaching and it starts at the top.:mad:

[XU 87]

It doesn't matter who coaches this team, the Bengals will always suck. At least Marvin was able to make them competitive for a few years. That 's more than Shula, Coslet, and LeBeau could do. But the bottom line is that the Bengals are the worst organization in professional sports. Mike Brown cares about making money and being in control. And hiring a new coach will not change things.

The only way we'll see any change with this organization is if people stop going to the games. That's what happened before Marvin got here. But as soon as the fans came back, Mike went back to his old cheap, stubborn and incompetent ways. And we now see the results.

So if you want to see at least some temporary change, stop going to the games. Don't renew your box. Stop buying Bengal gear. The only thing Mike Brown understands is his wallet.

[Frambo]

I did my own personal protest when I gave up my 2 - 22 year - seats the year before Marvin took over. But, they still sell out!

I would like to see a concerted effort to hit Brown through his advertisers. Tell Gold Star that you will buy Skyline till Brown makes the changes that should be made. No more Furniture Fair, Trauth Dairy, etc.! When they start complaining to Mikey......maybe something will happen.

[vee4xu]

Don't worry, next Sunday the Clowns headed by Bozo Crennel will make Lewis look like a genius and the Bengals look like world beaters.

[Hair Club President]

The title of this thread gives boobs a bad name......nice going

[Cheesehead]

Actually, I think Al Davis and the Oakland/Los Angeles/Anaheim Raiders may tie the Bengals at the worst NFL franchise thse days.

That guy is a true whack job!

[Juice]

Actually, I think Al Davis and the Oakland/Los Angeles/Anaheim Raiders may tie the Bengals at the worst NFL franchise thse days.

That guy is a true whack job!

Not to sound like an asshole, but at least he is almost dead and the Raiders fans could then have hope. Mike Brown will outlive us all.

[XU 87]

Al Davis has three Super Bowl rings and until recently the Raiders were consistently one of the top teams in the NFL (although they had a bad run in the 90's followed by a pretty good run in the early 00's). But Mike Brown has been incompetent from the day he took over and is still looking for his first playoff win.

But Mike's in control and makes a lot of money so he's content. In Mike's book, the season ticket holders should be happy to have a team to watch.

[X-band '01]

Jon Gruden made the Raiders respectable; he's the one decent coach they've had since he moved back to Oakland. Al Davis is a hit-and-miss owner; guys like Mike Brown and Matt Millen are miss-and-miss Presidents.

The brass in Detroit will eventually succumb and whack Millen, but unless some ownership group can find a way to whisk the Bengals away from Mike Brown, we will never see an end to the Mike Brown regime.

Hence the return of the old Fraidy Cat avatar of late (and thanks to Xeus for his rep points for the avatar).

[Cheesehead]

Mike Brown is the worst thing that ever happened to the Bengals. This much I agree but people/fans have a choice and the only way to make a statement is to stop buying tickets and support his empire. I would love to see a mass protest w/ people burning their season tickets.

I think a local company should start handing out bags for the fans that do show up to the games.

[Kahns Krazy]

Lewis is a boob, but at least he's not nearly the size of a boob as one of those man teets that Romeo Crennel is smuggling under his shirt.


This gives smugglers a bad name.

It is time for Marvin to go. It is long past time for Bradkowski to go. Seriously? Two run plays up the middle on our single overtime possession? That's playing to win.

I'm still a Bengals fan, and will be even if we put up 2-14 seasons for the next five. I don't know why. I wish I weren't.

At least I'm not a Reds fan. I only have to watch 16 games a year.