Is Osama Bin Laden Dead?

[Snipe]

I was wondering what people thought.

[Pablo's Brother]

I think he is alive and eagerly await his painful death.

[XU05and07]

I believe is alive and he will be seen by all near the end of October...then he will have what Pablo's Brother says

[ATL Muskie]

I actually think he'd dead. He's been too quiet, especially with a prez election so close. He's like the boogeyman for extremists- doesn't matter if he's dead or alive, they just hope his name scares people.

[PM Thor]

I bet he is alive, but he has been so marginalized, it doesn't really matter either way. He's now just a figurehead in my opinion, where other Al Quaeda leaders are actually doing the work he once did.

[Muskie73]

My guess is he shows up in October for an election message to the American people and an exhortation to the Taliban to increase war in Afghanistan.

JERK!

[XUglow]

I think that he is alive but too sickly to do much these days. With his known problems, he needs regular dialysis at a minimum. You can't exactly hop around from place to place and take the dialysis equipment with you. It would be too bad if he is in constant pain.

[vee4xu]

If he is, I sure wish it was because our troops killed him. Even if he is dead, the legacy lives on. Until that is squashed, he's alive so far as I am concerned.

[nuts4xu]

There is no benefit to his people to have the world know if Bin Laden is dead. If he bit it in some cave in the hills, or is kidneys failed and killed him, I don't think it would be announced.

I would love to see some crazed Marine come out of a hole with his head on a stick. That would be glorious.

[Xman95]

I'm in agreement with Glow and Vee. I think the man is still alive but too sick to do much. Unfortunately, if he is dead, his legacy (or at least the belief that he's still leading the charge) will live on and that's dangerous too. Our troops whacking his sorry ass is the only thing that can hurt his influence/power.

[vee4xu]

There is no benefit to his people to have the world know if Bin Laden is dead. If he bit it in some cave in the hills, or is kidneys failed and killed him, I don't think it would be announced.

I would love to see some crazed Marine come out of a hole with his head on a stick. That would be glorious.

Here, here. I wish I could have come out of a hole iwth his head on a stick, collected the $25 million and used it to start a foundation for the families of soldiers who died in Afganistan and Iraq.

[xudash]

I believe his mobility has been reduced because of his health, but I also believe his mobility has been reduced by our covert ops - I believe we're closing in, but the prize just isn't this @sshole.

I think we're mapping his "web" of personnel in that region and gathering as much banking data as possible to sweep up as much as possible once we strike.

9-11 was his Pearl Harbor.

I hope we're arranging his own personal Hiroshima for him and his fun loving band of virgin seekers.

[Jumpy]

I believe his mobility has been reduced because of his health, but I also believe his mobility has been reduced by our covert ops - I believe we're closing in, but the prize just isn't this @sshole.

I think we're mapping his "web" of personnel in that region and gathering as much banking data as possible to sweep up as much as possible once we strike.

9-11 was his Pearl Harbor.

I hope we're arranging his own personal Hiroshima for him and his fun loving band of virgin seekers.

That happened in large part in Europe not long after the bus bombings. The nearly complete annhiliation of the network throughout Europe leads me to wonder if they had info that they sat on too long. I'm not suggesting a conspiracy theory, but that maybe they knew where these guys were and waited for further info to get more and then the bus bombings happened, forcing them to act.

As for Bin Laden himself, I think he is probably dead. As Glow said, it's not easy cave hopping with dialysis equipment. He looked bad in some of his most recent videos, and if I'm not mistaken, didn't the dialysis machine show up in the background of one of the videos?

If he is dead, either of natural causes or from one of our cave busting bombs, and we don't find his carcass, it could very well bolster the Al Qaeda movement and lead to their becoming a true religious movement with constant incarnations of Bin Laden showing up.

I don't know, just stream of thought rambling.

[Cheesehead]

I hadn't really thought about it until now but he has been strangely quiet, so I think there's a good chance he's dead and no, they won't come out and announce it to the world as I believe it does not help their cause.

I would love for the U.S. forces to find him dead or alive.

[Araceli]

He would be very dead if Bill Clinton had followed the invite of Sudan to "take him out". Clinton didn´t act and we all know the story.

[ATL Muskie]

He would be very dead if Bill Clinton had followed the invite of Sudan to "take him out". Clinton didn´t act and we all know the story.

Oh, here we go.......

Did Bush Sr. "take out" Saddam? Hindsight.....

[DC Muskie]

He would be very dead if Bill Clinton had followed the invite of Sudan to "take him out". Clinton didn´t act and we all know the story.

Yup, it's Bill Clinton's fault Osama Bin Laden hates us.

Please go back to bed.

[vee4xu]

Pardon me, but Bill Clinton did catch and prosecute those involved in the World Trade Center bombing that happened on his watch.

Below are the facts.

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Aftermath and arrests
Agents and bomb technicians of the ATF, FBI, and the NYPD Bomb Squad responded to the scene of the blast. An ATF bomb technician subsequently located a vehicle identification number on an axle found at the seat of the blast and believed it belonged to the vehicle that delivered the bomb. Identifying the vehicle led law enforcement officers to the Ryder truck rental where the vehicle had been rented by Mohammad Salameh, one of Yousef's co-conspirators.

On March 4, 1993 authorities announced the capture of Salameh. The same day, Salameh's arrest led police to the apartment of Abdul Rahman Yasin in Jersey City, New Jersey, which Yasin was sharing with his mother, in the same building as Ramzi Yousef's apartment. Yasin was taken to FBI headquarters in Newark, New Jersey, and was then released. The next day, he flew back to Iraq, via Amman, Jordan. Yasin was later indicted for the attack, and in 2001 he was placed on the initial list of the FBI Most Wanted Terrorists, on which he remains today. He disappeared before the U.S. coalition invasion, Operation Iraqi Freedom, in 2003. In March 1994, Salameh, Nidal Ayyad, Mahmud Abouhalima and Ahmad Ajaj were each convicted in the World Trade Center bombing. In May 1994, they were sentenced to life imprisonment.

The capture of Salameh and Yasin led authorities to Ramzi Yousef's apartment, where they found bomb-making materials and a business card from Mohammed Jamal Khalifa. Khalifa was arrested on December 14, 1994, and was deported to Jordan by the INS on May 5, 1995. He was acquitted by a Jordanian court and lived as a free man in Saudi Arabia until his death in 2007.

[ATL Muskie]

And if Bush Sr had taken out Saddam when he had the chance, how much money and how many lives would be spared? The answer is, who the hell knows. I do know that my nephew wouldn't be in that God forsaken hellhole right now.

So if CLinton had killed OBL, do you guys think all would be peachy keen? That 9/11 wouldn't have happened? Please. OBL is one guy. They would have rallied around another lunatic. OBL didn't plan and execute the entire thing. Posts like these reaffirm what I said earlier, he's a boogeyman to a lot of people. You guys are giving OBL too much credit.

[Araceli]

And if Bush Sr had taken out Saddam when he had the chance, how much money and how many lives would be spared? The answer is, who the hell knows. I do know that my nephew wouldn't be in that God forsaken hellhole right now.

So if CLinton had killed OBL, do you guys think all would be peachy keen? That 9/11 wouldn't have happened? Please. OBL is one guy. They would have rallied around another lunatic. OBL didn't plan and execute the entire thing. Posts like these reaffirm what I said earlier, he's a boogeyman to a lot of people. You guys are giving OBL too much credit.
I agree to a point, but Clinton (Sudan) and Bush (ToraBora) both had him and lost him. I mean nothing more and nothing less. Why read more into what I´ve written? I´ve even mentioned the failure of Rummy, who refused extra Special Forces and let him get away. Clinton refused a bargain and the guy flew off into the sunset. No matter what the case, our dear terrorist leader, certainly gotlots ofhelp from our State Dept after Russians lost in Afgan and we left those people without help etc as promised. This has a lot to do with both the Dems and Reps in Washington.

[Snipe]

Pardon me, but Bill Clinton did catch and prosecute those involved in the World Trade Center bombing that happened on his watch.

Below are the facts.

================================================== ==========

Aftermath and arrests
Agents and bomb technicians of the ATF, FBI, and the NYPD Bomb Squad responded to the scene of the blast. An ATF bomb technician subsequently located a vehicle identification number on an axle found at the seat of the blast and believed it belonged to the vehicle that delivered the bomb. Identifying the vehicle led law enforcement officers to the Ryder truck rental where the vehicle had been rented by Mohammad Salameh, one of Yousef's co-conspirators.

On March 4, 1993 authorities announced the capture of Salameh. The same day, Salameh's arrest led police to the apartment of Abdul Rahman Yasin in Jersey City, New Jersey, which Yasin was sharing with his mother, in the same building as Ramzi Yousef's apartment. Yasin was taken to FBI headquarters in Newark, New Jersey, and was then released. The next day, he flew back to Iraq, via Amman, Jordan. Yasin was later indicted for the attack, and in 2001 he was placed on the initial list of the FBI Most Wanted Terrorists, on which he remains today. He disappeared before the U.S. coalition invasion, Operation Iraqi Freedom, in 2003. In March 1994, Salameh, Nidal Ayyad, Mahmud Abouhalima and Ahmad Ajaj were each convicted in the World Trade Center bombing. In May 1994, they were sentenced to life imprisonment.

The capture of Salameh and Yasin led authorities to Ramzi Yousef's apartment, where they found bomb-making materials and a business card from Mohammed Jamal Khalifa. Khalifa was arrested on December 14, 1994, and was deported to Jordan by the INS on May 5, 1995. He was acquitted by a Jordanian court and lived as a free man in Saudi Arabia until his death in 2007.

Vee did you read what you posted? It doesn't appear that he caught and prosecuted all those involved, and that is just from reading what you posted.

Doesn't seem like such a ringing endorsement of our nimble government if that was your intention.

[MADXSTER]

I'm hearing that he's not dead yet, is feeling better, and wants to go for a walk.

[MADXSTER]

I think that he is alive but too sickly to do much these days.

Since he's dead.

[MADXSTER]

Found him here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k132/ladyfox17/Achmed.jpg

[vee4xu]

Snipe, Ramsey Yousef is in jail. He was the mastermind and that was my point.

[vee4xu]

On November 12, 1997 Yousef was found guilty of masterminding the 1993 bombing and in 1998 he was convicted of "seditious conspiracy" to bomb the towers.

He is currently held in the Supermax Prison in Florence, Colorado. He had the Unabomber, Terry Nichols, and Timothy McVeigh as his cellmates.

[Strange Brew]

On November 12, 1997 Yousef was found guilty of masterminding the 1993 bombing and in 1998 he was convicted of "seditious conspiracy" to bomb the towers.

He is currently held in the Supermax Prison in Florence, Colorado. He had the Unabomber, Terry Nichols, and Timothy McVeigh as his cellmates.

Very good Vee, but you forgot to mention that Clinton twice had the option to arrest or take out Bin Laden on his watch and failed to do so. He felt that the polls did not reflect an interest in proactive strikes/action against possible terrorist activities. Keep in mind that Osama declared war on the U.S. in the mid 90's and Clinton passed on eliminating the threat for political reasons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqdpAQFQlHQ

Take it for what it's worth but I for one believe it's better to kill the jackel before it eats your flock. If you disagree, thats fine. You can arrest and convict the next terrorist AFTER they've killed thousands.

[Araceli]

Very good Vee, but you forgot to mention that Clinton twice had the option to arrest or take out Bin Laden on his watch and failed to do so. He felt that the polls did not reflect an interest in proactive strikes/action against possible terrorist activities. Keep in mind that Osama declared war on the U.S. in the mid 90's and Clinton passed on eliminating the threat for political reasons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqdpAQFQlHQ

Take it for what it's worth but I for one believe it's better to kill the jackel before it eats your flock. If you disagree, thats fine. You can arrest and convict the next terrorist AFTER they've killed thousands.
DCMUSKIE is going to kill you. You are spot-on, but that is just not politically correct and you "hurt" the sensitivity of those who have puched this under the carpet.

[DC Muskie]

DCMUSKIE is going to kill you. You are spot-on, but that is just not politically correct and you "hurt" the sensitivity of those who have puched this under the carpet.

Give me a break. You need to stop thinking about me and talking about me with your wife.

Blame Clinton. Be my guest. The fact is Bin Laden hit us on Bush's watch, and remains at large despite eight years of his cowboy attitude. That sir, is spot on.

[Strange Brew]

Give me a break. You need to stop thinking about me and talking about me with your wife.

Blame Clinton. Be my guest. The fact is Bin Laden hit us on Bush's watch, and remains at large despite eight years of his cowboy attitude. That sir, is spot on.

Fact is that we were hit multiple times on Clinton's watch and he did nothing except bomb an aspirin factory in Iraq. Yeah that showed 'em. Also, Bin Laden has stated numerous times he was emboldened when Clinton cut and run out of Somolia. He was quoted as stating that America was a paper tiger and would not be willing to come after terrorist organizations. I guess, he didn't count on the "cowboy". He remains at large, this is true but if Clinton had any nerve and leadership skill he'd be rotting in prison or dead for sure.

That sir, is spot on.

[ATL Muskie]

Do you guys really believe that killing OBL would have prevented 9/11? Like I said, you're giving him too much credit. They would have rallied around someone else and carried out the attack or something similar. You can blame Clinton all you want, but you have to blame W just as much for ignoring the guy too.

[DC Muskie]

Fact is that we were hit multiple times on Clinton's watch and he did nothing except bomb an aspirin factory in Iraq. Yeah that showed 'em. Also, Bin Laden has stated numerous times he was emboldened when Clinton cut and run out of Somolia. He was quoted as stating that America was a paper tiger and would not be willing to come after terrorist organizations. I guess, he didn't count on the "cowboy". He remains at large, this is true but if Clinton had any nerve and leadership skill he'd be rotting in prison or dead for sure.

That sir, is spot on.

I love how people quote a terrorist. Like you respect his thinking, or his insight.

You act as though the United States was never attacked until Clinton and that Clinton did nothing.

We were hit by Hezbollah. Reagan pulled us out of Lebanon. Guess we din't cut and run there. Pan Am Flight 103 went down and we bombed Libya. Guess we didn't take the fight to them by removing Gaffadi. Saddam invaded Kuwait and we parked ourselves in Saudi Arabia, while he remained in power.

But yes Clinton didn't take out Bin Laden, shame on him. Clinton is the sole reason for the strike against the US and the Cowboy can only do so much. Are we going to bomb Yemen now that our Embassy was hit? Or are we going to cut and run?

Game.

Set.

Match.

Leave your money on the table, I'll pick it later.

[bourbonman]

Do you guys really believe that killing OBL would have prevented 9/11?

No. They got us before and will get us again, with or without him. And if we kill him he'll be bigger than he is now because he'll be a martyr. There will always be someone there to rally their cause. Saladin is the famous Muslim hero from the time of the Crusades, maybe the most famous of all time. There were guys before Saladin and now there are guys after him. All the same, I would like OLB gone and would like to know about it.

[Strange Brew]

Guess we didn't take the fight to them by removing Gaffadi.

Do you mean Kadaffi in Lybia? I don't remember Reagan going after anyone named Gaffadi. The bomb killed his family and he certainly got the message and backed down and as a matter of fact after the fall of Hussein, he agreed to come to terms with the U.S. But your right, taking on terrorists does not have positive effects.

The Gulf war, I agree H.W. should've hunted Hussein all the way to the Iraqi capital. Big mistake.

However, Clintons do nothing approach to terror definately emboldened the enemies of the US to strike. Further, while Bush was technically in charge during 9/11 it is important to note that Clintons teams were still in place in the CIA, FBI and State Department. Thus, the blame must be equally shared by both Presidents. However, THE FACT remains that Clinton had an opportunity to take out or arrest a known enemy and balked.

Money on the table? Grow up.

[DC Muskie]

Guess we didn't take the fight to them by removing Gaffadi.

Do you mean Kadaffi in Lybia? I don't remember Reagan going after anyone named Gaffadi. The bomb killed his family and he certainly got the message and backed down and as a matter of fact after the fall of Hussein, he agreed to come to terms with the U.S. But your right, taking on terrorists does not have positive effects.

The Gulf war, I agree H.W. should've hunted Hussein all the way to the Iraqi capital. Big mistake.

However, Clintons do nothing approach to terror definately emboldened the enemies of the US to strike. Further, while Bush was technically in charge during 9/11 it is important to note that Clintons teams were still in place in the CIA, FBI and State Department. Thus, the blame must be equally shared by both Presidents. However, THE FACT remains that Clinton had an opportunity to take out or arrest a known enemy and balked.

Money on the table? Grow up.

The leader of Lybia is Mummar al-Gaddafi. Not sure why you don't remember Reagan trying to take him out. While Bill Clinton has his numerous deficiencies, he did nothing that other presidents hadn't done.

Actually I have to correct myself. We bombed Gadaffi in 1986. Pan Am went down in 1988. Guess we showed him. We also hit the French Embassy. That's probably a positive for you. We bombed Lybia in 1986 for their support of terrorism around the world. Then Pan Am 103, the largest number of American causalities by a terrorist act until 9/11, happened. After we had bombed Lybia two years before. Whoops! Where was Reagan during that? He cut and run from Lebanon, and then he allowed the man responsible for the deadliest attack against Americans to go unpunished. Sanctions? Huh, that's something HW and Clinton do. We have to take it to them BY GEORGE! Literally.

Even before we invaded Iraq, Gaffadi had made political changes to his regime. In 1999 he pledged to fight Al-Qaeda, not doubt from his experience of being bombed 13 years before. He handed over the men responsible for that bombing during the same year. No doubt a reaction from being bombed 13 years prior. That Gaddafi might be a slow learner, by damn it he knows that when America takes it to you, you will submit! Even when a decade and a few more years pass. As I mentioned before Hezbollah hit our Marines in Lebanon, and now they occupy the Lebanese government. This is a listed terrorist organization. That too must be Clinton's fault.

We had numerous warnings about the planned attack on 9/11. Clinton screwed it up and Bush went on vacation, no doubt from being tired from being president for so long. But to suggest that had Clinton took out Bin Laden when he could have, and ignore the fact that the new guy in charge did nothing to listen to the warnings, and see Clinton being more responsible is foolish. It's a cheap shot on Clinton, and as you can see, it can easily be turned around the other way.

We don't need much to embolden people to attack us. From Carter, to Reagan, to Clinton to Bush, there are people out there who will try anything.

[Strange Brew]

It's Qaddafi or Kadaffi. In fact, I'll provide a link so that we both can be educated on the subject :).

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Kadaffi

[Strange Brew]

We had numerous warnings about the planned attack on 9/11. Clinton screwed it up and Bush went on vacation, no doubt from being tired from being president for so long. But to suggest that had Clinton took out Bin Laden when he could have, and ignore the fact that the new guy in charge did nothing to listen to the warnings, and see Clinton being more responsible is foolish. It's a cheap shot on Clinton, and as you can see, it can easily be turned around the other way.

We don't need much to embolden people to attack us. From Carter, to Reagan, to Clinton to Bush, there are people out there who will try anything.[/QUOTE]

Please provide a link to the evidence of "numerous warnings", those that included the date/time etc and I'll buy your arguement. Clinton was absolutely more resposnible and to not think so is not only foolish (wonder what documents Sandy Berger stole from the Archives), it requires a complete lack of rational thought. If Clinton dispatches of Bin Laden, and goes after the assets of the organization (as Bush did) then the organization becomes nuetralized.

DC, it comes down to this. do you want to fight the enemy or do you want to prosecute it AFTER it's killed 1000's of people. That is something that you and I will simply never see eye to eye on. Just like the merits of soccor :) (kidding seriously)

[ATL Muskie]

But if you're going to blame Clinton then by extension you HAVE to blame W too because he and his administration knew full well that OBL was a madman bent on destroying America. W wasn't exactly proactive about it either.

[DC Muskie]

It's Qaddafi or Kadaffi. In fact, I'll provide a link so that we both can be educated on the subject :).

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Kadaffi

I think you miss the point that I don't care how you think it's spelled.

Here's some links for you.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,901030818-474532,00.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_al-Gaddafi

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN0438196320080906?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

Are we done with this subject and can I just assume you think I'm correct because all you seem concerned about it is how you spell the jackass's last name?

[DC Muskie]

Please provide a link to the evidence of "numerous warnings", those that included the date/time etc and I'll buy your arguement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_advance-knowledge_debate

I'll give you a highlight:

The book The Terror Timeline includes numerous articles that are often cited to suggest that the method of flying planes into buildings was known by U.S. officials:[10]

* In 1994, there were three examples of failed attempts to deliberately crash planes into buildings, including one where a lone pilot crashed a small plane into the lawn of theWhite House.[11]
* The Bojinka Plot was a foiled large-scale al Qaeda terrorist attack to blow up eleven airliners and their passengers as they flew from Asia to America, due to take place in January 1995.
* The 2000 edition of the FAA’s annual report on Criminal Acts Against Aviation said that although Osama bin Laden ‘is not known to have attacked civil aviation, he has both the motivation and the wherewithal to do so,’ adding, ‘Bin Laden’s anti-Western and anti-American attitudes make him and his followers a significant threat to civil aviation, particularly to U.S. civil aviation.’”
* In April 2001, NORAD ran a war game in which the Pentagon was to become incapacitated; a NORAD planner proposed the simulated crash of a hijacked foreign commercial airliner into the Pentagon but the Joints Chiefs of Staff rejected that scenario as "too unrealistic"[12]
* In July 2001 at the G8 summit in Genoa, anti-aircraft missile batteries were installed following a report that terrorists would try to crash a plane to kill George Bush and other world leaders.[13]
* On the morning of September 11, 2001, the National Reconnaissance Office, who are responsible for operating U.S. reconnaissance satellites, had scheduled an exercise simulating the crashing of an aircraft into their building, four miles (6 km) from Washington Dulles International Airport.

A 2004 USA Today article, "NORAD had drills of jets as weapons", describes pre-9/11 NORAD drills that suggest they were prepared for such an attack as happened on 9/11:

"In the two years before the September 11 attacks, the North American Aerospace Defense Command conducted exercises simulating what the White House says was unimaginable at the time: hijacked airliners used as weapons to crash into targets and cause mass casualties. One of the imagined targets was the World Trade Center. In another exercise, jets performed a mock shootdown over the Atlantic Ocean of a jet supposedly laden with chemical poisons headed toward a target in the United States. In a third scenario, the target was the Pentagon — but that drill was not run after Defense officials said it was unrealistic."[14]

I feel like Snipe right now...


Clinton was absolutely more resposnible and to not think so is not only foolish (wonder what documents Sandy Berger stole from the Archives), it requires a complete lack of rational thought. If Clinton dispatches of Bin Laden, and goes after the assets of the organization (as Bush did) then the organization becomes nuetralized.(kidding seriously)

The man wasn't president anymore. He was being investigated for getting a blow job by an ugly chick by guys who were banging their own ugly chicks and demanding accountability. Let's dig into this a little more deeply...

If we never got involved in Afghanistan and then never left like we did, Bin Laden would have never have the mindset he created. If we never parked ourselves in Saudi Arabia after we dispatched Iraq from Kuwait, Bin Laden would have never have the mindset he created.

The Republicans controlled the White House and Congress, off and on during this period of 20 years and somehow you think Clinton is "absolutely more responsible" then the presidents that proceeded him or the one that followed? And I'm the one with a complete lack of rational thought? I'm defending a guy I never voted for!


If Clinton dispatches of Bin Laden, and goes after the assets of the organization (as Bush did) then the organization becomes nuetralized.

Right, so why haven't we eliminated other terrorist organizations? Why aren't they all neutralized? Why are we not completely safe? Why do you think we will never be hit again, when we were hit just last week? Do you think terrorism began in 2001 and ended in say, 2005?


DC, it comes down to this. do you want to fight the enemy or do you want to prosecute it AFTER it's killed 1000's of people. That is something that you and I will simply never see eye to eye on.

Take the fight to whom exactly? I keep hearing the assets are neutralized, Al-Qaeda is no more, the war has been won, ten years from now we'll be in casinos in Baghdad getting lap dances from gorgeous Persian women. Well, why are we still there? We were hit just last week.

Do you see a pattern here?

In 1983 60 people were killed in the US Embassy in Beruit.
In 1983 6 people were killed in the US Embassy in Kuwait
In 1993 6 people were killed in the World Trade Center
In 1998 hundreds were killed in the US Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi
In 2001 almost 3,000 people were killed in the World Trade Center, Pentagon, and Pennsylvania
In 2008 16 people were killed in US Embassy in Yemen

And somehow, we take the years Clinton was in charge and wasn't in charge and use it as an example of bad US foreign policy.

Take the 1980's alone...

We were bombed twice in Beruit in 1983.
Later that same year our Embassy in Kuwait was bombed.

That's three terrorist attacks in one year. Do you think if that was Clinton, he wouldn't getting hammered right now?

Between 1984 and 1986 terrorists hijacked two planes and cruise ship, killing US military and government workers

We then bombed Lybia.

In 1988 Pan Am went down.

Do you see where I'm going? Terrorism is not something you are going to stop simply because you designate some place to fight them. As we saw last week, despite the fact we have been fighting them for five years, they still hit us.


Just like the merits of soccor :) (kidding seriously)

I can't help you here. You are truly lost. That was a joke.

[American X]

Dead? No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting.

http://www.kumah.org/blog/Dead_Parrot.jpg

[Snipe]

Only 56% of us thought he was alive in 2008. I asked the question then, and people answered.

Now I am "partisan" in my belief.

Free speach in the future will depend on who is speaking. I said this awhile ago, but to say it today gives me negative reps. It shows how partisan I am. Even though only 56% thought he was alive in 2008.

[GoMuskies]

I'm pretty sure he's dead. I heard it on the news last night.

[pizza delivery]

Only 56% of us thought he was alive in 2008. I asked the question then, and people answered.

Now I am "partisan" in my belief.

Free speach in the future will depend on who is speaking. I said this awhile ago, but to say it today gives me negative reps. It shows how STUBBORN I am. Even though only 56% thought he was alive in 2008.

Fixed

[xavierj]

I also heard on the news that alcohol can be good for the heart. So I drink a lot of it.

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

56% were as wrong as SNipe. And he views this as validation!

[Fred Garvin 2.0]

Also, I've known Snipe since the first Gulf War. Flash to the second Gulf War. After the invasion for the WMD-which I supported- no WMD was found. He then did a bait and switch and pretended he was all about democracy. What nonsense.

Ya know there was a considerable amount of time beteween those wars. I even lived with Snipe for awhile. Never once did he come to me and complain about those poor Iraqis who were under the boot heel of Saddam. Nope, never heard anything about democracy till none of that WMD showed up.

Snipe, you know it is true. Fess up.

[SixFig]

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