Kevin Parrom (Offer)

[boozehound]

Then they will have the same number of scholarship players eligable to play as they did last year.

I don't like having extra unused scholarships, but I really don't like giving scholarships to guys that aren't very good just so that you don't leave scholarships on the table. That can hurt you over the long haul, I think, when you don't have a scholarship available for a quality player because you gave them out to scrubs so you didn't have unused scholarships for a year.

As for life without Parrom: Next year we can play Crawford, Jackson, or Walsh as a 2/3 so I think we will be ok next year without Kevin. It will be more of a 3 guard set, which also allows us to get playing time for all the good guards we have. Lyons and Holloway can split the point guard duties and we can platoon Redford, Walsh, Crawford, and Dante at the 2 and 3 guard spots. Love and Freaser have the 5 locked down. The 4 would be Brown and McClean assuming Brown stays. If Brown goes we are going to have problems at the PF position. That was likely to happen whether or not Parrom was here, though. We need to get some good PF's in here now!

[Cheesehead]

Then they will have the same number of scholarship players eligable to play as they did last year.

I don't like having extra unused scholarships, but I really don't like giving scholarships to guys that aren't very good just so that you don't leave scholarships on the table. That can hurt you over the long haul, I think, when you don't have a scholarship available for a quality player because you gave them out to scrubs so you didn't have unused scholarships for a year.

As for life without Parrom: Next year we can play Crawford, Jackson, or Walsh as a 2/3 so I think we will be ok next year without Kevin. It will be more of a 3 guard set, which also allows us to get playing time for all the good guards we have. Lyons and Holloway can split the point guard duties and we can platoon Redford, Walsh, Crawford, and Dante at the 2 and 3 guard spots. Love and Freaser have the 5 locked down. The 4 would be Brown and McClean assuming Brown stays. If Brown goes we are going to have problems at the PF position. That was likely to happen whether or not Parrom was here, though. We need to get some good PF's in here now!

Might we go the JUCO route if Brown bolts? It would provide us w/ immediate help at the spot. I would guess the staff is working on this, should that scenario present itself.

[boozehound]

I would think that they would definitely consider a Juco. The only question is whether or not they can find one worth giving a scholarship to. I was under the impression that Jarrid Famous was the last decent Juco out there and he is going to Arizona from what I understand.

The plus with a borderline talent from Juco is that he would only take up a scholarship for 2 years, so you could use him to bridge the gap and fill a roster spot until some of the 2010 recruits that we land have developed enough to play.

[Cincy Muskie]

With the proliferation of prep schools the quality of talent in JUCO ball has suffered. There is not much to be had out there right now who could help us at the level we want to play at. Sure plenty of Obi Harris or Marcus Mason types, not so much on the Myles/Braggs end of things.

I feel they will pursue a big through D1 transfer avenues (ala Anderson or Thornton). I know we need to wait a year on them but those options are most likely more talented than anything we can land at this point. I think we bank the extra scholarship for the loaded 2010 class.

[boozehound]

We can probably afford to have a transfer sit out for a year if Brown comes back. If he doesn't it could be very interesting...

[Xman95]

This was posted about 12 hours ago. Didn't see anything on it here. Parrom is looking at Arizona now (this is nothing new) and Famous is expected to make an announcement soon. One thing that I'm curious about...the article says Miller stayed in contact with Parrom after accepting the job at Arizona. With Parrom still under the LOI at the time, could that constitute a recruiting violation? Seems like it would be to me, but I'm not an expert on NCAA rules and regulations.

Anyway, here's the link if you're interested:

Parrom, Famous, and a little more (http://www.azstarnet.com/sports/289403)

[MHettel]

I'll bet you that after he resigned, he had a window of time where he wasn't the coach of Arizona yet, and was able to make some calls as a coach that was not "officially" connected with any school.

[Lamont Sanford]

This is such bullshit. As much as loved Miller when he was our coach, I am starting to really hate the man for what he is doing to our future.

If the University of Arizona is such a prominent program and a destination school, then why steal the recruits of little old Xavier?

Get bent Miller!

[XU 87]

I think it's a bunch of BS for Miller to go after Xavier recruits. If the recruit said, "No way I'm coming to Xavier", then that would be one thing. But Parrom still has X on his list. The same goes for Witherspoon and Latham. If Miller wants to go after guys who he recruited but haven't yet committed to X, that's one thing. But to go after Parron etc. is BS. And I don't really care if other coaches do it. Miller was not supposed to be like other coaches, or so we were told.

Say what you want about Matta, but I don't recall him going after BJ or Brown after he left.

[LadyMuskie]

Miller confuses me. He sits in front of our microphone and says X can't win a NC but arizona can. Then he goes to arizona and sits in front of their microphone and further besmirches us by calling us "little old Xavier". Yet, he wants all of our recruits. That doesn't make any sense. Either these guys are good enough to win a NC, which means they can do it at X just as easily as they can at UA. Or they're only high calibre mid-major players, in which case (by Miller's thinking) they should remain at little old X.

Just goes to show that the move to arizona was about nothing but dollar bills. He can ramble on and on about the arizona tradition and all that other garbage, but he's cut from the same cloth as Calipari and Matta.

At this rate, the only recent coaches they're going to be showing in the highlight videos before games is Prosser, Gillen and Mack.

[kyxu]

I'm not sure if Miller actually contacted Parrom while he was under his LOI with Xavier. I think Miller was the main reason Parrom chose Xavier, so I guess it's only natural Parrom would want to follow him to Arizona. It's a great program that now has Miller and Book Richardson.

I mean, it's a free country. If Kevin doesn't want to go to Arizona, he doesn't have to. And the article made it sound as if Parrom reached out to Miller, which I don't think is illegal if the recruit contacts the coach.

Let's not confuse things. It's not as if Miller is ripping off the roof of the Cintas Center and hand-picking whichever Xavier player/recruit he wants for his Wildcat squad. These kids make the ultimate decision of where they want to play. I agree, it's pretty shitty what's happening, but it takes two to tango.

[XU 87]

Miller can handle this very easily. "Kevin, out of respect for Xavier, I'm not going to offer you a scholarship to Arizona."

[kyxu]

Miller can handle this very easily. "Kevin, out of respect for Xavier, I'm not going to offer you a scholarship to Arizona."

In a perfect world, sure. But he recruited Parrom -- a very good high school player -- and put in the work to get him to his first place of employment, and now Parrom possibly is checking out Arizona. Do you really think Miller's going to turn him down? I mean it sucks, but Miller technically doesn't owe Xavier anything. As many have said previously, we look at Xavier as a passion and as part of us, but to Miller, they're a former employer.

[DC Muskie]

Famous is going to South Florida.

I'd bet everything I own, (not much) that Miller and Parrom talked. Now it's easy to understand why Kevin wanted to see what his other options are...

I mean Miller sold them on Xavier winning a National title.

Then Miller left.

It's not beyond understanding that these kids now know that Xavier can't win a national championship because Miller doesn't think they can win a national title.

And it all goes back to that f-ing stupid press conference. I'm telling you that will be the single dumbest thing our school has done in 25 years. Letting Sean speak after he dumped us.

[Xman95]

In a perfect world, sure. But he recruited Parrom -- a very good high school player -- and put in the work to get him to his first place of employment, and now Parrom possibly is checking out Arizona. Do you really think Miller's going to turn him down? I mean it sucks, but Miller technically doesn't owe Xavier anything. As many have said previously, we look at Xavier as a passion and as part of us, but to Miller, they're a former employer.

I hope all of the "we owe it to Sean" crowd realizes that it goes both ways. Personally, I agree that he doesn't owe us anything. But it's also very fair to say that we technically don't owe him a damn thing either.

[DC Muskie]

As many have said previously, we look at Xavier as a passion and as part of us, but to Miller, they're a former employer.

Exactly...which is why I could have done without the tears and how special Xavier is.

[kyxu]

I hope all of the "we owe it to Sean" crowd realizes that it goes both ways. Personally, I agree that he doesn't owe us anything. But it's also very fair to say that we technically don't owe him a damn thing either.

Oh, I agree. I'm not defending Miller, and I wouldn't shed a tear if Arizona went winless for a while.

The Miller-Parrom thing really sucks, but it's reality and to be flabbergasted that Miller would go after Parrom now that he's at Arizona is being somewhat detached from reality.

[bobbiemcgee]

I would argue he owes us the recruiting costs of Kyrl and Parrom. Somebody flew down to Tampa to sweet talk kryl recently for $1300. Sean makes 2 mil a yr now but has no recruits, so he steals ours. Can't blame the players who will probably start for a PAC 10 team their first yr. No way they'd start for us.

[CSS85]

Most businesses have their top executives sign "non compete" provisions that restrict them from taking their "inside knowledge" to a competitor for a year or two. This also includes proprietary trade secrets like customer lists, customers themselves etc. I don't see why a coach should be allowed to damage his former employer in any way for 12 months - that means if a coach wants to change jobs, he starts from scratch on his new job utilizing the resources there, not using the knowledge and resources he received from his former company (school).

It is not unreasonable to expect a coach to do this, just as it isn't unreasonable to expect any other executive to do this.

[XU-XHI]

I would argue he owes us the recruiting costs of Kyrl and Parrom.

I agree wholeheartedly with this. I beleive the NCAA should put in a rule that states if a player who has committed verbally or via LOI follows a coach to a school different from the one he recruited them to, the new instituition will pay the insititution committed to Blank $$$ for cost incurred recruiting.

This could be a flat fee for all institutions based on average recruiting costs across Div ! BBall or institutions can document all costs incurred recruiting a player and submit that for reimbursement. Either way the institution that ultimately lands the player should pay if the player is following a coach.

We couldn't claim reimbursement for Kryl, but Parrom, Weatherspoon, and Latham would be included, if they go to Arizona. If not, then no reimbursement.

[chico]

And it all goes back to that f-ing stupid press conference. I'm telling you that will be the single dumbest thing our school has done in 25 years. Letting Sean speak after he dumped us.

I can't tell you how much I agree with that statement. It was the one thing about this whole process that stunk the most. The first damn sentence out of his mouth, too.

[boozehound]

Most businesses have their top executives sign "non compete" provisions that restrict them from taking their "inside knowledge" to a competitor for a year or two. This also includes proprietary trade secrets like customer lists, customers themselves etc. I don't see why a coach should be allowed to damage his former employer in any way for 12 months - that means if a coach wants to change jobs, he starts from scratch on his new job utilizing the resources there, not using the knowledge and resources he received from his former company (school).

It is not unreasonable to expect a coach to do this, just as it isn't unreasonable to expect any other executive to do this.

Good Post. That makes a lot of sense. Too much sense, in fact, for the NCAA to ever even consider it.

[DC Muskie]

I can't tell you how much I agree with that statement. It was the one thing about this whole process that stunk the most. The first damn sentence out of his mouth, too.

The more that comes to light with our committed recruits, the more I am convinced this press conference set us back ten years in the eyes of high school and AAU basketball.

And Sean lost nothing and gained everything. What a sweet gig if you can get it.

And like what lady said, how can these recruits be better now that they have Arizona on their shirts, rather then if they would have worn Xavier? All because Olsen won a title in 1997? How does that work?

That press conference screamed "Moving on up the food chain everybody!" I can't remember the last time a coach had a press conference at the the school he just left to go to another school where he will compete with the old school for titles. I can't think of one.

[xu15]

Definitely use it for 2010. No use wasting it on somethone who has a much, much lesser shot of panning out.

[golfitup]

If Parrom ends up at Arizona that will probably be the straw that breaks the camel's back on my path to insanity this off season has created.

[AviatorX]

If Parrom ends up at Arizona that will probably be the straw that breaks the camel's back on my path to insanity this off season has created.

I'm just not worried about it as this point, the situation is out of our (and maybe even Mack's hands), so let's just see how everything plays out.

If Xavier has truly become the elite program we say we have over the past few years, we will go out and have a stellar season next year, in which case recruiting won't miss a beat (other than this year, but we only had one signee.)

It's make or break time.

[kyxu]

I'm just not worried about it as this point, the situation is out of our (and maybe even Mack's hands), so let's just see how everything plays out.

If Xavier has truly become the elite program we say we have over the past few years, we will go out and have a stellar season next year, in which case recruiting won't miss a beat (other than this year, but we only had one signee.)

It's make or break time.

Good post. I agree.

[DC Muskie]

Stop being reasonable, I was close to being fired up.

[xufan02]

I just think Mack and the staff need to make some noise of there own. Let's lean on some our targets and lock someone up and get the ball rolling.

[GuyFawkes38]

It would suck if Parrom went AZ (I don't think he will. Right now Miller is learning that geography matters when it comes to recruiting).

That being said, I'm a big advocate for player rights. If Parrom really wants to play for Miller and he visits AZ and he loves it, I don't think he should be denied due to some unwritten etiquette rule.

[PMI]

I must have missed where Miller called us "Little Old Xavier." Could someone help me out with the accuracy and/or context of that quote? Seems very odd...

[Cheesehead]

I gotta believe there is someone out there in the JUCO ranks that could help X. There are a lot of good players that most of us don't even know.

[LadyMuskie]

He said it during his Arizona press conference. I don't remember the exact wording, but the context was in regards to going up against OSU, Indiana and UK for recruits and he said something about little old Xavier.

I know Shannon talked about it in her blog of the press conference and it was also talked about on the thread about the press conference on here, but to be honest I don't know where that thread is :)

[Nocalmuskie]

http://regulus2.azstarnet.com/blogs/pascoe/14479/ua-recruiting-efforts-take-hits

[xudash]

http://regulus2.azstarnet.com/blogs/pascoe/14479/ua-recruiting-efforts-take-hits

I'm shocked! Shocked that gambling is going on in here! -- my best false stunned reaction a la Casablanca.

[Nocalmuskie]

Az star also reports this:

While Parrom did not respond to messages left for him Sunday, his coach at South Kent (Conn.) School, Kelvin Jefferson, told the Star that Parrom has maintained his relationship with new UA coach Sean Miller.
"I haven't spoken to Coach Miller, but I know Kevin stayed in contact," Jefferson said. "Right now, Kevin is just open to any possibility. He wants to talk to people. He's interested in everything. He just wants an opportunity to look at other schools with the change at Xavier."


How could Miller keep talking to Parrom while he was committed to X? What are the rules on that? His release only became official on Monday.

Also reports that Miller is targeting Payne ...

[xsteve1]

I'd love to know what Miller is saying to these former Xavier recruits when comparing UA to X. I've got to think he's not being to complimentary of the A10 conference.

[X Factor]

Payne won't leave the Midwest, probably not even Ohio, let alone go all the way across country to play college ball. He is really close with his grandmother who raised him and he isn't getting too far away from her. You can count on that.

If Kevin was the one who contacted Sean, then it's ok, but if Sean was the one who was calling Kevin, that's a no no. That's what I understand.

[Xman95]

Also reports that Miller is targeting Payne ...

If Payne is willing to go to Dayton to be close to home, there's no way he's heading to Arizona.

[xu15]

I'm just not worried about it as this point, the situation is out of our (and maybe even Mack's hands), so let's just see how everything plays out.

If Xavier has truly become the elite program we say we have over the past few years, we will go out and have a stellar season next year, in which case recruiting won't miss a beat (other than this year, but we only had one signee.)

It's make or break time.

Good post, my thoughts exactly. Thats why I wanted Mack and this is what needs to happen.

Reps.

[xu15]

If Payne is willing to go to Dayton to be close to home, there's no way he's heading to Arizona.

If Payne is willing to go to Dayton, he's just dumb.

[Xman95]

If Payne is willing to go to Dayton, he's just dumb.

Can't argue there. Of course he might not have dreams of being in a great program or playing in the NBA. In that case UD is a logical choice!

[chico]

Matta left the cupboard empty. Miller's stealing it.

[xufan02]

I remember reading something posted by Shannon or Dustin that Xavier was in good shape as far as current players and recruits not able to be contacted under Sean's contract. Does anyone remember that Blog entry? From the looks of it, Sean is not living up to his end of the bargain.

[SixFig]

If Parrom goes to UA...good god...I may just go Jack Bauer in the desert

http://backseatcuddler.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/jackbauer1.jpg

[Xman95]

I remember reading something posted by Shannon or Dustin that Xavier was in good shape as far as current players and recruits not able to be contacted under Sean's contract. Does anyone remember that Blog entry? From the looks of it, Sean is not living up to his end of the bargain.

Well, is it something where technically he's no longer a Xavier recruit because he was released from the LOI?

[waggy]

Technically speaking I'm not sure Miller is even employed at Arizona yet. I think a board of regents still has yet to meet to approve the hire.

I'm moving on, and if something changes in X's favor, I'll take it as a pleasant and unexpected surprise.

[Cheesehead]

I remember reading something posted by Shannon or Dustin that Xavier was in good shape as far as current players and recruits not able to be contacted under Sean's contract. Does anyone remember that Blog entry? From the looks of it, Sean is not living up to his end of the bargain.

Yes, I do recall something to this effect. I'm starting to not like Sean as much as I once did. I know all the coaches probably do this but I guess I was naive to believe that Sean was different.

[LA Muskie]

Yes, I do recall something to this effect. I'm starting to not like Sean as much as I once did. I know all the coaches probably do this but I guess I was naive to believe that Sean was different.
If it's anything like non-solicitation clauses in other arenas (and I suspect it is), he can't make the initial call but if the recruit contacts him he is free to do what he wants. Frankly, I think that's fair. These kids aren't our "possession" -- if they want to play for Miller and he'll have them, then they should have every right to do do so.

[LA Muskie]

Technically speaking I'm not sure Miller is even employed at Arizona yet. I think a board of regents still has yet to meet to approve the hire.

The Board has not yet approved his CONTRACT. There's a difference. You don't need a contract to be employed (most "regular folk" never work under a contract). Hell, Gillespie coached several years without a signed contract.

[PM Thor]

I agree with LA. It leaves a bitter taste in our mouths, but we really don't know the actual events firsthand. If Parrom contacts them, then I cannot blame Miller in the least, and this is part of what happens sometimes.

The bigger we get on the national scene, the more we must accept how cutthroat it gets. Should we do it and be willing to jones a recruit from others like this? No, but don't be so shocked if others are willing to do it either. In all honesty, under Miller we took advantage of the downfall of other programs quite willingly (Lavender, Crawford). I know it isn't exactly the same, but this is a business, and this stuff happens.

I HATE dayton.

[Muskie1995]

If Parrom has kept in contact with Miller/Book then so be it. Look I'm not going to be pissed if Parrom wants to go to Arizona. So, be it. I wish him the best. I'd rather have him in a Xavier uniform but that me being selfish.

However, something tells me that Kevin wants to stay closer to home and check out UConn, St. John's, Providence and/or Pitt. If I was putting money on the table I would pick Parrom to head to a BE program closer to CT than going to Arizona.

[waggy]

The Board has not yet approved his CONTRACT. There's a difference. You don't need a contract to be employed (most "regular folk" never work under a contract). Hell, Gillespie coached several years without a signed contract.

I really shouldn't have bothered to post what I did. People started talking in technicalities, and I posted one in the extreme in the opposite direction. If Parrom ends up at Arizona I'm quite confident Miller will never be found guilty of a recruiting violation on it, and I'm not suggesting he should. In the end it's about a young persons (Parrom) education and amatuer athletic career, and he should get the situation he can be most happy in. I support that line of thinking wholeheartedly. I do think it's wrong of Miller in this situation in the fact X did have a signed commitment for the upcoming season, and if Parrom doesn't want to come to X there about a 50 other destinations he could get a quality education. It's just really bad form; but you know, "It's all about the kids".

[LA Muskie]

It's just really bad form; but you know, "It's all about the kids".
Of course, that's what the NCAA is all about!

[wkrq59]

Here are some things on which you all can wager and not lose a dime:
1)The morning he accepted the job Sean Miller was on the telephone to Kevin Parrom's home and then to his school dorm room.
2)Following that call, contact was made by Sean with both Weatherspoon and Latham, guarantee it.
3)Certain current Xavier players were contacted through an intermediary or by Book and the other assistant who left asking them if they'd consider joining Sean in Arizona and have a chance to play in the PAC10 for a national championship.
Can anybody prove it? No, but like many of the other theories posted on this and other boards, those three have more merit than most. I sh!t you not.:D

[xubball93]

I'm past being angry. Now I'm woefully disappointed in $ean. I thought he had more integrity than what he's demonstrated since his flip-flop and leaving-taking.

[xufan02]

Xavier still is in the mix. We shall see what happens.


http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/04/20/jamel-jackson-to-seton-hall/#more-15268

[Xavier]

I dont know that its a huge deal.(I mean it stinks but still) More often then not kids will go to a school for the coach rather then the school. I thought it was pretty much assumed most of our recruits would atleast take a look at Arizona. Id venture to bet this happens with almost every major coaching move.

[Cheesehead]

Here are some things on which you all can wager and not lose a dime:
1)The morning he accepted the job Sean Miller was on the telephone to Kevin Parrom's home and then to his school dorm room.
2)Following that call, contact was made by Sean with both Weatherspoon and Latham, guarantee it.
3)Certain current Xavier players were contacted through an intermediary or by Book and the other assistant who left asking them if they'd consider joining Sean in Arizona and have a chance to play in the PAC10 for a national championship.
Can anybody prove it? No, but like many of the other theories posted on this and other boards, those three have more merit than most. I sh!t you not.:D

I hope they all called him and not vice versa. If Sean called Parrom, he's guilty of a NCAA violation, is he not?.

[jamal4xu]

This is killing my buzz.

[Emp]

Q, you are one of the most reputable journalists and posters on here. the detail and certainty of your accusations are not to be ignored, because you are alleging facts certain, not opinion.

You are covering in a sense by claiming that no one can every prove, or disprove, your factual assertions. Beg to differ.

First, it makes absolutely no sense for Miller, on the first day of his job, to commit a prohibited and unethical act by contacting Parrom. Miller was squeaky clean here, and there has never been even the remotest suggestion that any recruit was approached improperly. Part of his appeal is that he is an ethical guy who plays be the rules. Why would he throw all of that away with a bonehead call on the first day of a $17M deal? Especially when he wouldn't have to.

A phone call is traceable, as almost any Div 1 coach knows. Cf Kelvin Sampson, John Lawler. In order to avoid the consequences of illegal phone contact with an athlete with a LOI at another school, as you assert is the case, Miller would have had to anonymously secured a prepaid "safe" phone, used it, and then pitched it in the dessert, on one day's notice.

Almost any high school coach with a D1 recruit knows about asking for release from the LOI before any contact with other schools is made. All of the stories and reports show Parrom's coach knows the drill. It's April. If Miller really wants Parrom, he has plenty of time for Book and him to re-recruit him to AZ. (Interestingly, wonder if Parrom has used his 5 official/paid visit quota.)

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

This is killing my buzz.

I'm gonna be extremely pissed if Parrom, Kyryl, Latham, and weatherspoon all go to AZ

[Muskie1995]

(Interestingly, wonder if Parrom has used his 5 official/paid visit quota.)

FWIW, Parrom has only used one "official" visit and that was to Xavier.

[Fred Garvin]

Sean would have to rape a nun for LA Muskie to ever criticize him.

[Xman95]

Sean would have to rape a nun for LA Muskie to ever criticize him.

Well, if she was a hot nun then she had it coming!

[Cincy Muskie]

I am not worried about recruits who have never enrolled here changing their mind and following a coach. However q if we start to see current X players leaving for Tuscon then that would be more upsetting and put Sean in a different light to me. When Thad left for OSU no X players followed, when Skip went to Wake no X players followed, and I am sure when Pete left for Providence no X players followed. I don't think we will see any on our current roster head out west either for the record. We are being way, way oversensitive to this stuff. I think when Sean was hired for the UA job we knew all the current players we were recruiting would most likely shift interest. However don't think Bino isn't working over all the contacts he had at JMU and steering them toward X. It's the nature of the beast.

[boozehound]

FWIW, Parrom has only used one "official" visit and that was to Xavier.

That is a little wierd frankly. How often to recruits that good commit after visiting just one school. I thought that almost everyone at least took their 5 visits to see what was out there.

I guess he wasn't that sold on Xavier but was very much sold on either Sean or Book.

[xufan02]

I am not worried about recruits who have never enrolled here changing their mind and following a coach. However q if we start to see current X players leaving for Tuscon then that would be more upsetting and put Sean in a different light to me. When Thad left for OSU no X players followed, when Skip went to Wake no X players followed, and I am sure when Pete left for Providence no X players followed. I don't think we will see any on our current roster head out west either for the record. We are being way, way oversensitive to this stuff. I think when Sean was hired for the UA job we knew all the current players we were recruiting would most likely shift interest. However don't think Bino isn't working over all the contacts he had at JMU and steering them toward X. It's the nature of the beast.

Jordan Latham was one of those recruits that Bino was working on. Bino on the staff definitely puts us in the race.

[Kahns Krazy]

I'd love to know what Miller is saying to these former Xavier recruits when comparing UA to X. I've got to think he's not being to complimentary of the A10 conference.

Would you be? Honestly, our conference sucks.


Matta left the cupboard empty. Miller's stealing it.

I really wish everyone had been at the Banquet to hear the administration, coaches and players praise Sean. The guy is an excellent coach, and the players that committed to play here wanted to play for him. That's no big surprise.

I'm frustrated that Sean left, and very nervous about the upcoming few years, but much like this past season, I'm going to wait for it to play out before pinning any blame anywhere.

[MHettel]

Miller resigned from XU before he signed a deal with Arizona. I'm sure he placed a few calls during his period of "unemployment."

[muskiefan82]

Miller resigned from XU before he signed a deal with Arizona. I'm sure he placed a few calls during his period of "unemployment."

That loophole still exists? The NCAA should change that, but I'm sure it works for Xavier too.

[REF]

That loophole still exists? The NCAA should change that, but I'm sure it works for Xavier too.

Maybe that's why there was such a delay in hiring Mack.

[Xman95]

Maybe that's why there was such a delay in hiring Mack.

Although wouldn't he have still been under employment with X as an assistant?

[wkrq59]

Miller resigned from XU before he signed a deal with Arizona. I'm sure he placed a few calls during his period of "unemployment."

Even if Sean didn't place any calls, which I'm quite certain he did before he signed or agreed to go to UA, I flat guarantee either Book or Whitford was on the phone Monday morning advising the three to de-commit or in Parrom's case tell him he could easily opt out of the signed LOI.
I don't need to hear anybody praise Sean Miller. I and many others thanked him for what did for Xavier, which was the right thing to do. But I'm neither so damned stupid or naive as to think that quick moves weren't made to shore up a possible recruiting coup.
And whoever called Parrom could just as easily have called from a damned pay phone and some of those still exist.
I've heard all the rationale for keeping Sean on his pedestal and that's fine with me. Just don't ask that a perpetual light be shone upon it.
Yeah, I covered what I said. That's part of being in the real world. I still firmly believe he seriously insulted his players by letting them find out through the media. But that also is the real world, which says "F---- 'em, there's $18-million and my future on the line."
Until some schools insert and enforce seriously high buyout clauses into the coaches contracts which the schools are forced to honor if they fire the coach, the merry-go-round will spin in all its glory and the non BCS schools will continue to be screwed. But that too is life. Remember, it's just business, nothing personal as I put a cap in your a$$.

[SixFig]

Remember, it's just business, nothing personal as I put a cap in your a$$.

Q I would rep you for this and many other times if I could. I wish there was an IV tube for reps which we could stick to your account...damn that $hits funny

[Xman95]

Miller resigned from XU before he signed a deal with Arizona. I'm sure he placed a few calls during his period of "unemployment."

Of course he might have made calls while still the coach at Xavier...you know, the day he was offered the job. Maybe that day was spent contacting the recruits that committed to his Xavier program to let them know he might be leaving and, if/when he did, he would love to have them join.

At that point he still would have been the coach at Xavier and, as far as I know, it wouldn't have been breaking any rules. Would it be the a-hole thing to do? Without a doubt. Would I put it past a coach in this day and age? Nope.

[XUglow]

It seems like we are just trying to figure out if what he did is illegal or immoral. Either way the scuz-factor is pretty high.

[Xman95]

It seems like we are just trying to figure out if what he did is illegal or immoral. Either way the scuz-factor is pretty high.

Oh, at this point I think we're just wondering about the illegal part!

[XUglow]

Oh, at this point I think we're just wondering about the illegal part!

Ah... I should have said illegal and immoral or just immoral...

[LA Muskie]

Sean would have to rape a nun for LA Muskie to ever criticize him.
Fred, if you look through my posts you will see that while I initially defended Miller I changed my tone considerably when I saw the "timeline" indicating that Miller spent a sum total of about 5 minutes with "his" players before the press conference and only after they found out about his decision from outside sources. The way he treated the kids was deporable.

That said, this thread is about where kids go to school. If you could look at it from the perspective of anything other than a self-interested fan, you would hopefully agree that these kids should be able to go to school, and play ball, wherever they prefer. If that's for Miller -- whom they thought they were coming to play for until about 2 weeks ago -- then they deserve that chance. It may suck for us, but it's the right result for them.

And then there's the fact that we're already clamoring for Bino to convince some of his more highly-coveted recruits to come to XU... It works both ways, my friend.

[GoMuskies]

I'm glad Miller didn't exactly "class it up" on the way out the door. It will make it much easier to cheer against his teams.

[XURunner85]

I think we should supeana Miller's phone records and the same with Book's and Whitford's. The we can see if there was some shanagans going on with our recruits....

[muskienick]

LET IT DIE.

Miller is gone.

Live long and prosper, Coach Chris Mack and the Xavier Musketeers!!!!!

[Xman95]

Fred, if you look through my posts you will see that while I initially defended Miller I changed my tone considerably when I saw the "timeline" indicating that Miller spent a sum total of about 5 minutes with "his" players before the press conference and only after they found out about his decision from outside sources. The way he treated the kids was deporable.

And I have to say that LA also came around to the belief that the move wound up being primarily about money (albeit a little later than some of us!:)), not basketball.

[LA Muskie]

And I have to say that LA also came around to the belief that the move wound up being primarily about money (albeit a little later than some of us!:)), not basketball.
That, too, is true.

[The Artist]

That, too, is true.

If it were, Sean would not be the coach at AZ, he would be the coach at either of the following:

Indiana
Marquette
Alabama
Virginia
...

[boozehound]

I don't think that any of those schools were going to offer Miller the kind of money that Arizona threw at him, otherwise of those options I don't see why he wouldn't be at IU right now. IU has more of a 'basketball tradition' than Arizona ever dreamed of having. The NCAA sanctions make is a bit less attractive, but if you were thinking long term and willing to wait it out a few years IU still looks like a much better job to me than AZ.

[The Artist]

I don't think that any of those schools were going to offer Miller the kind of money that Arizona threw at him, otherwise of those options I don't see why he wouldn't be at IU right now. IU has more of a 'basketball tradition' than Arizona ever dreamed of having. The NCAA sanctions make is a bit less attractive, but if you were thinking long term and willing to wait it out a few years IU still looks like a much better job to me than AZ.

I'm not trying to say it had nothing to do with money, but I am saying that it was not all about money. I think it is somewhere in the middle. I'm pretty sure Alabama offered grant close to 2 mil, same with IU and Crean.

If it were all about money, it seems like he would have jumped at the first potential big time raise. I think several things were attractive about AZ, including, perhaps even especially, the money.

[boozehound]

I'm not trying to say it had nothing to do with money, but I am saying that it was not all about money. I think it is somewhere in the middle. I'm pretty sure Alabama offered grant close to 2 mil, same with IU and Crean.

If it were all about money, it seems like he would have jumped at the first potential big time raise. I think several things were attractive about AZ, including, perhaps even especially, the money.

I guess I can agree with that. I don't think that he would have gone to Alabama for the money, but I still dont' see what makes AZ a better gig than IU if they are offering the same money.

Of course we are assuming that Sean was a shoe-in for the IU job, and that may or may not have been the case. If IU had come after Sean as hard as AZ did he may be the coach there right now.

I would definitely rather have him at AZ than right in our back yard like Matta.

[xubball93]

Parrom still mulling options
Posted by ShannonRussell at 4/22/2009 2:24 PM EDT on Cincinnati.com

I just talked to Kelvin Jefferson, Kevin Parrom's coach at South Kent, to see if the player had made any decisions. In a word, the answer is no. Jefferson said Parrom is still taking a step back and listening to coaches. He's not leaning in a particular direction, Jefferson said.

"He's overwhelmed right now," Jefferson said. "He's getting a lot of information thrown at him."

It's plausible that Parrom could again choose Xavier. But much is up in the air right now, and there are many options to weigh, Jefferson said.

[The Artist]

I guess I can agree with that. I don't think that he would have gone to Alabama for the money, but I still dont' see what makes AZ a better gig than IU if they are offering the same money.

Of course we are assuming that Sean was a shoe-in for the IU job, and that may or may not have been the case. If IU had come after Sean as hard as AZ did he may be the coach there right now.

I would definitely rather have him at AZ than right in our back yard like Matta.

Excellent point. I am glad that I can choose how much I get to hear about Miller, unlike Matta.

[DC Muskie]

Well, good luck Kevin!

[ballyhoohoo]

As great as it would be to have him in the fold, I hope he makes the best decision for him. In the end he needs to do right by himself and his family, not a fanbase, school, or coach

[boozehound]

Xavier does a great job of developing both players and people. Hopefully he will realize that it is a good place for him to be.

[DC Muskie]

Hey, it's his loss if he comes to the conclusion that Xavier isn't the right fit for him. But I do wish him luck.

[Kahns Krazy]

Hey, it's his loss if he comes to the conclusion that Xavier isn't the right fit for him. But I do wish him luck.

Conceited much?

That's just a rediculous statement.

[DC Muskie]

Conceited much?

That's just a rediculous statement.

Tell me what's wrong with this statement? Tell me what has changed at Xavier? Two guys left. I understand those two guys are important to Kevin, but Xavier is more then just too guys.

So yeah, the kid will be fine, but it's his loss, not ours. I'm not being mean, that's just the way it is. If he comes here, fantasitc, if he doesn't, do you think Xavier goes down the tube?

I'm not bashing the kid...just saying it's his loss. Xavier is a great place to play and go to school and he had a chance and still does mind you to come here.

I'm not sure why you think it's ridiculous. Should I be devastated if he doesn't come here? Plenty of guys don't. Think Duke Crews would have been better off coming here? He's finishing his career in nowhere Maryland right now.

[waggy]

It might come off as arrogant, but I think DC is right. As we all know, X is a complete program that provides players all the tools on and off the court, and is going to play in the NCAA, and offers some early playing time at his position on a good team. All games on TV, great schedule, etc. I don't know what kind of other options he has, but X has got to be one of this better if not best options.

[Xman95]

I understand what DC is saying. Xavier is a great place and, in our eyes, anyone that gets to go there is lucky to have had that experience.

But I also understand what Kahn's is saying. Just because we love X and it was the right place for us, doesn't mean it's the perfect place for someone else. There are many options out there and, after thinking things over, he might feel that another option is better. So be it. What if he comes to Xavier and it's not a great experience for him? Will it be his loss for not going somewhere else?

Look, deep down I think DC knows Xavier isn't for everyone and, if Parrom goes to a place that's great for him, not going to X really isn't his loss. It's nobody's loss. And Kahn's knows what a great place Xavier is or he wouldn't be a fan. He also realizes that, for many, they are better for having walked the halls of X and if they didn't get that chance it really would have been there loss.

It really seems like an argument just to argue.

[DC Muskie]

I have a bias, I am a fan. I'm not going to apologize because Xavier is killing it.

[wkrq59]

You're both acceptable! Kevin Parrom would be a fantastic recruit for Chris to sign. But if he choses elsewhere after the coaching change, ok. Bon Voyage.
The one thing that Xavier has to offer over the other schools he may be considering is the same thing Xavier has consistently offered for eons--an opportunity to receive an outstanding education while playing basketball at a top level of NCAA competition.
There's also the matter of small campus with urban and suburban combination, smaller classes and a support system under Sister Rose Ann Fleming second to none. There is absolutely nothing mid-major about the good sister or the program she founded and has maintained. Skip didn't call her Xavier's MVP for nothing.
The other intangible that ain't so intangible that Xavier offers is a chance to be part of the Xavier Nation. Ask Stanley Burrell, David West, Josh Duncan, James Posey, Derek Strong, Tyrone Hill, Byron Larkin, Muskieman, MOR, any member of the LHS, Dr. Jimmy Boothe, any alum who posts on this board or MM....Just remember friends, whether Kevin Parrom changes his mind or not, WE ARE STILL XAVIER. And we always will be.
Go get 'em Chris Mack.:D:D

[Masterofreality]

I have a bias, I am a fan. I'm not going to apologize because Xavier is killing it.

Testify, DC, TESTIFY!!!!

Preach the gospel to the unwashed masses, brother. Even the Pagan Babies should hear the Word!

Uh, WORD!!

[MADXSTER]

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/wildcats/289952

It's a long article

As the spring open contact recruiting period neared a close, new Arizona coach Sean Miller and assistant Emanuel "Book" Richardson made a point of stopping by to see Bronx wing Kevin Parrom on Tuesday.
It went very well, according to Parrom's coach at South Kent (Conn.) School, Kelvin Jefferson.
"He really likes Arizona and the coaching staff," Jefferson said.

[kyxu]

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/wildcats/289952

It's a long article

As the spring open contact recruiting period neared a close, new Arizona coach Sean Miller and assistant Emanuel "Book" Richardson made a point of stopping by to see Bronx wing Kevin Parrom on Tuesday.
It went very well, according to Parrom's coach at South Kent (Conn.) School, Kelvin Jefferson.
"He really likes Arizona and the coaching staff," Jefferson said.

I think that goes without saying.

Someone mentioned it on another thread or board, but neither Parrom, Weatherspoon nor Latham hold an offer from Arizona. Plus, I can't picture Parrom following Miller all the way out to AZ. I think if Parrom doesn't choose Xavier, he'll stick with the East Coast.

[X Factor]

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/wildcats/289952

It's a long article

As the spring open contact recruiting period neared a close, new Arizona coach Sean Miller and assistant Emanuel "Book" Richardson made a point of stopping by to see Bronx wing Kevin Parrom on Tuesday.
It went very well, according to Parrom's coach at South Kent (Conn.) School, Kelvin Jefferson.
"He really likes Arizona and the coaching staff," Jefferson said.

I don't care what anyone says, that is not cool for Sean to do that.

Didn't Skip talk to the committed recruits when he left and ask them to keep their committment to Xavier?

[Boro Muskie]

As we are quickly finding out, $ean is certainly no Skip. I don't know if Skip did just that but can anyone doubt it?

[Xman95]

As we are quickly finding out, $ean is certainly no Skip. I don't know if Skip did just that but can anyone doubt it?

I'm 95% sure Skip told all the players to stay and the recruits to keep their commitments. I recall something like him telling the players that Xavier was a great place for them and that his leaving had no reflection on X, just his time to move on. Definitely didn't try to take guys with him.

Of course, I we find out more and more, there are very few Skip Prossers out there in this cutthroat business. There's a reason that guy gained the level of respect and admiration, from players and fans and fellow coaches, that he did. It's been said before, but it's worth repeating: The world is a better place for having Skip Prosser.

[DC Muskie]

[As the spring open contact recruiting period neared a close, new Arizona coach Sean Miller and assistant Emanuel "Book" Richardson made a point of stopping by to see Bronx wing Kevin Parrom on Tuesday.


How does that work exactly? They were out in the east coast?

Hey Book, isn't Brooklyn around here somewhere?

Yeah Sean it sure is.

Hey, why don't we stop by Brooklyn and see Kevin Parrom?

Sure Boss, but he might not be there.

Why's that Book?

Because Kevin is in the Bronx.

Oh, right, silly me, that's why I hired you. Let's go anyway, just swing by. make sure he knows we aren't at Little Old Xavier.

[gladdenguy]

I still hate that coon face Sean Miller. F*cken bastard.
Eat my ass Sean. Two-faced prick.

[_LH]

http://www.enquirer.com/xavier/2001/04/25/xu_prossers_leaving.html

http://www.enquirer.com/xavier/2001/04/25/xu_top_recruits_may.html

http://www.enquirer.com/xavier/2001/04/25/xu_west_says_hell_stay.html

http://www.enquirer.com/xavier/2001/04/25/xu_xavier_opening.html

http://www.enquirer.com/xavier/2001/04/25/xu_ads_vow_our_best.html

http://www.enquirer.com/xavier/2001/04/25/xu_prosser_leaves.html

[LutherRackleyRulez]

2 links re: latest Parrom info....


Zags blog.....


http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/04/24/as-the-world-turns-lance-stephenson/#more-15545


Arizona Daily Star......

***Major props given to Book re: his ability to recruit East coast kids**


http://www.azstarnet.com/sports/289952

[sweet16]

If it were, Sean would not be the coach at AZ, he would be the coach at either of the following:

Indiana
Marquette
Alabama
Virginia
...

You know, I wonder if any of the above (or any other schools for that matter) actually made a run at Miller. I wonder if Arizona was the FIRST to actually pursue him and if so then he jumped at the first opportunity to get out of Dodge.

[BandAid]

2 links re: latest Parrom info....


Zags blog.....


http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/04/24/as-the-world-turns-lance-stephenson/#more-15545


I don't have any insiders, so I'm clueless. So, I'm curious if King Kev is leaving Xavier on the list just to be polite, or if we still have a legitimate chance...

[Xman95]

If it were, Sean would not be the coach at AZ, he would be the coach at either of the following:

Indiana
Marquette
Alabama
Virginia
...

Well, he left a team that most feel has Final 4 potential and had highly ranked recruits lined up for the next few years. So is sure as heck wasn't about basketball.

Hey, maybe it wasn't about money. Perhaps Sean just really has a thing for sand and scorpions.

[Xman95]

I don't have any insiders, so I'm clueless. So, I'm curious if King Kev is leaving Xavier on the list just to be polite, or if we still have a legitimate chance...

That's my guess. I'll be stunned if he winds up at X, absolutely stunned.

[Xman95]

Anybody else think Parrom will commit to Miller on his visit to 'zona? That's my guess.

[wkrq59]

As James Caan said to Hugh Grant, FAHHHHGAAEETTTTTAAAABOUT IT.
Can we finally put Sean Miller to rest? Thad Matta stayed way too long as the bullseye on our shooting range for it to be mentally healthy and psychologically we're down that road again.
He was good while he lasted and we enjoyed what he did while he was here, but he's gone. Does anyone here really care who he's recruiting ? Or what he plans to stress in his recruiting or how he fares there?
Friends, Sean Miller is part of Xavier history. No more important than the winningest coach in Xavier history, still Pete Gillen. Certainly he's not more important than Skip (RIP) Prosser, or the Jim McCafferty, Lew Hirt, Ned Wulk, Thad Matta, Bob Staak, or Joe Meyer...
Yes he guided Xavier to the most wins in a single season, yes he helped Xavier win prestige that made its program nationally recognized. But he chose the dough and he's gone. He and his family are starting a new life. Hope they'll be happy and he successful unless he plays Xavier.
He is recruiting only three players Xavier had either signed or had commitments from and that's that. Yeah, it sucks and even Matta didn't force any signees to ask for releases.
If Kenny Parrom chooses AZ. Best of luck. He won't do better there than at Xavier. His parents and family won't see many of his games despite what the AZ fans think. His exposure to the pros won't be greater than it would be at Xavier.
The pros are businessmen and they keep a close eye on schools who have supplied them with talented players over the years, from Piontek to Posey et al. Yeah he'll be able to enjoy nicer weather, but Tucson Arizona is much different socially from the Bronx, N.Y. or Cincinnati, Ohio for that matter.
And, he won't have an annual game at Fordham, or against three Philadelphia teams, or Rhode Island, or UMass or even St. Bona all schools his family could visit in person. Throw in Washington, D.C. and Richmond, Va. and Atlantic City and you have a very attractive number of games his people could see him play. Ditto for Latham.
But the pu$$y is probably prettier, the the weather is dry heat and yada,yada,yada.
These are Mack Times, pure and simple. :D:D:

[LutherRackleyRulez]

Per Adam Zagoria/ZagsBlog....


Kevin Parrom is down to......

Pitt and Arizona.

Xavier, to whom he originally committed, and Virginia Tech are no longer in the mix.



http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/04/28/markus-kennedy-makes-decision/#more-15853

[xavierdude]

Mother...we knew it was coming, though

[Cincy Muskie]

I don't think anybody is suprised by this. Good luck to King Kev wherever he ends up. IF we are going to land any new players this year I would imagine a D1 transfer is the best option unless there is some hidden gem out there in the prep ranks we don't know about.

[Frank D.]

Count me in the group that isn't going to lose any sleep over losing a recruit. From all accounts, he is a good player, but we really have no idea how good a player he would have been for us. If he goes on and has a great college career, we can lament the fact he got away. But until then, there's no sense in getting upset about it. For all we know, the guy who we end up getting because of Parrom's unused scholarship could be the future best player in X history.

[xunorm]

Since it looked like he signed because of the coach, he probably would have ended up leaving anyways at some point. I wish him well, and I too will not lose any sleep because if you don't want to come to Xavier or aren't fully committed, then please don't come.

[gladdenguy]

I don't consider that a "loss" for the Mack Attack.
I think he knew when he took that visit to Kevin we wasn't going to land Parrom as a Muskie.
I hope he has something else up his sleeve.
No sweat for me.

[DC Muskie]

His loss. Best of luck, but not really too much.

[Masterofreality]

Uh,

"Book" it.

[X-man]

Per Adam Zagoria/ZagsBlog....


Kevin Parrom is down to......

Pitt and Arizona.

Xavier, to whom he originally committed, and Virginia Tech are no longer in the mix.



http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/04/28/markus-kennedy-makes-decision/#more-15853




Good luck to Pitt.

[The Artist]

If I were Parrom, I would start my own independent team. Think about the positive financial implications!

[Xman95]

But the pu$$y is probably prettier, the the weather is dry heat and yada,yada,yada.

Q, you feeling ok? You're posts have had a little more flava lately. No, not flavor. But straight from the 'hood flava!!:)

(By the way, if we could get Glow to have Ms. Meghan walk the Xavier campus whenever recruits are on a visit, the issue you bring up can get thrown right out the window...well, at least until they commit and are at X on a daily basis!)

[Theology73]

No place else has Sr. Rose Ann Fleming. If that matters to a young man and his parents, we are getting a quality person. If it doesn't matter and he chooses any other school, we didn't loose anything that we can't replace with someone else having better decision-making skills.

[XURunner85]

You know I don't think Parrom really fit into the Xavier thing anyways....I hope Mack decides to use the open scholarship for the next class, don't want him to just go find anyone to fill it. Now if someone who is a great player who really hates were he is and wants to transfer to X then I have no problem him using it otherwise lets just use it for the next class and use what we have to get us to the final 4 next year...

[AviatorX]

You know I don't think Parrom really fit into the Xavier thing anyways....I hope Mack decides to use the open scholarship for the next class, don't want him to just go find anyone to fill it. Now if someone who is a great player who really hates were he is and wants to transfer to X then I have no problem him using it otherwise lets just use it for the next class and use what we have to get us to the final 4 next year...

So if that report was about how Parrom recommited to X, would he still not have fit into the "Xavier thing?"

Come on people, no need to act like we didn't want King Kev as a Muskie. Read the same types of things about Gates after he chose UC, would anyone really not take Yancy on our roster right now?

I agree with the rest of your post. Hopefully, we can land Chaney, the UF transfer.

[golfitup]

Unless it is a quality kid/player i'm more than okay with not using a scholarhip for this season. Or give it to one of the walk-ons with the full understanding he'll only have it for one year.

Sean Miller's legacy continues its slide down the crapper for this kid....

that "little old Xaver" comment continues to infuriate me.

[PMI]

Whatever. Mack just saved himself a black eye. Punk ass thug.a He's not a "Xavier guy" anyway. He was only trying to use us. I never even thought he was a good player. He would have been if he came to X because we would have MADE him one but he never would be a good player on his own. Anyone we replace him with will be better. I'm ecstatic that he isn't coming.

Oh, and Sean Miller is the antichrist.

[Juice]

So if that report was about how Parrom recommited to X, would he still not have fit into the "Xavier thing?"

Come on people, no need to act like we didn't want King Kev as a Muskie. Read the same types of things about Gates after he chose UC, would anyone really not take Yancy on our roster right now?

I agree with the rest of your post. Hopefully, we can land Chaney, the UF transfer.

I was one of those who criticized Gates (not for choosing UC, but for being a punk) and no, I would not take him right now or ever.

[wkrq59]

I was one of those who criticized Gates (not for choosing UC, but for being a punk) and no, I would not take him right now or ever.

Juice, agree with you. The comments of some sound like sour grapes to me. I, too, would not take Yates if he came on bended knee. One of the reasons UC tanked at the end of the season was his inconsistent play and apparent bad chemistry with some of his teammates. Besides, Kenny Frease would kill him in their first intra-squad scrimmage. :D:D

[xnatic03]

Juice, agree with you. The comments of some sound like sour grapes to me. I, too, would not take Yates if he came on bended knee. One of the reasons UC tanked at the end of the season was his inconsistent play and apparent bad chemistry with some of his teammates. Besides, Kenny Frease would kill him in their first intra-squad scrimmage. :D:D

The scrimmage would turn into a headbutt-a-thon

[AZWildcat]

His loss.

He loses if he plays for Arizona?

He still gets to play for the coach he wants to play for, in a better conference, and with more exposure. In what world does that equal a loss for him???

[XU 87]

He loses if he plays for Arizona?

He still gets to play for the coach he wants to play for, in a better conference, and with more exposure. In what world does that equal a loss for him???

Uhhh, that's a Xavier fan that thinks it's Parrom's loss for not coming to Xavier.

You see, as Xavier fans and alums, a few of us think that Xavier is a better place to play and go to school than Arizona. And I bet you think that Arizona is a better place to play and go to school than Xavier.

Make sense now?

[AviatorX]

He loses if he plays for Arizona?

He still gets to play for the coach he wants to play for, in a better conference, and with more exposure. In what world does that equal a loss for him???

You could make a case that XU gets just as much national exposure as Arizona does. Believe it or not, everyone outside of the West is not up at 11 pm to watch Arizona v.s. Oregon on ESPN.

Better conference and more exposure are moot points in terms of going to the NBA, if you are good enough, you will be found.

[AdamtheFlyer]

You could make a case that XU gets just as much national exposure as Arizona does.

You could, but you would lose that argument. I mean, Xavier is a much better and classier operation than Arizona, but 'Zona moves the dial. One of their worst seasons over the last two decades saw them get as much or more press than both of the last two X seasons, the best consecutive years in X history.

[XU 87]

You could, but you would lose that argument. I mean, Xavier is a much better and classier operation than Arizona, but 'Zona moves the dial. One of their worst seasons over the last two decades saw them get as much or more press than both of the last two X seasons, the best consecutive years in X history.

That's because they had a hall of fame coach who first took a year off and then retired. It has been a circus out there for two years.

That being said, Arizona is generally going to get more publicity than Xavier. However, if you're in the top 25, then you make Sportscenter.

[DC Muskie]

He loses if he plays for Arizona?

Yup.

Thanks for dropping by. 87 pretty much summed it up.

[XU 87]

Yup.

Thanks for dropping by. 87 pretty much summed it up.

I got you covered.

[AdamtheFlyer]

That's because they had a hall of fame coach who first took a year off and then retired. It has been a circus out there for two years.

That being said, Arizona is generally going to get more publicity than Xavier. However, if you're in the top 25, then you make Sportscenter.

Preeching to the choir. Arizona has been a dumpster fire...and that sells. It's why the Bengals will be the subject of the HBO show "Hard Knocks" this season. Simply pulling over to the shoulder, changing a flat, and continuing on your way doesn't make the six o'clock news.

[DC Muskie]

I got you covered.

I appreciate it.

I will now go on crying why we lost Kevin Parrom, Ari Stewart and Duke Crews. What will we ever do?

[vee4xu]

Who cares?

If the kid would rather play for a coach instead of a school, then don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya. Maybe he should go to Pitt, then he kill two birds with one stone. He can play closer to home and when Miller sticks it to UA and goes to Pitt in a couple of years when Dixon leaves, the Kenny will have his man and play close to home.

[LA Muskie]

Who cares?

If the kid would rather play for a coach instead of a school, then don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya. Maybe he should go to Pitt, then he kill two birds with one stone. He can play closer to home and when Miller sticks it to UA and goes to Pitt in a couple of years when Dixon leaves, the Kenny will have his man and play close to home.

I don't care, either. But let's be clear: they all choose a coach, not a school.

[XU 87]

From everything I've read, Miller isn't interested in the Pitt job. That is probably even more true now that he's at Arizona making $2-3 million per year.

[Xman95]

From everything I've read, Miller isn't interested in the Pitt job. That is probably even more true now that he's at Arizona making $2-3 million per year.

Maybe Miller is afraid of legitimately high expectations. He left an X program that was expected to compete for the Elite 8/Final 4 next season. Never has Xavier had expectations (and they were legit) like that to START a season. There was talk he could wind up at Pitt or maybe UConn in another year or so. Both of those programs are used to the high expectations. But, instead of holding out for that type of gig, he bolts to Arizona where there's nothing. If he doesn't build it up, it could be blamed on the recent years of the program. He definitely won't be expected to see the Final 4 in the next few years. So the pressure/expectations won't be nearly as great as what he would be facing at X (or UConn, Pitt, etc.) in the near future.

Somebody else actually brought those points up to me and, at first, I didn't think much about it. But it is possible. Plus, if Miller didn't lead X to at least the Elite 8 with its most talented team ever, would his stock drop a little? Perhaps.

Again, this isn't my theory and I still don't really agree with it. But, the more I think about it, the possibility is there. If he gets Arizona back in contention, then bolts to a rebuilding gig for more money, then it might have more merit. Until then, it's just an off the wall theory.

[vee4xu]

From everything I've read, Miller isn't interested in the Pitt job. That is probably even more true now that he's at Arizona making $2-3 million per year.

I agree 87. I was just being an ass. At times I find that an easy thing for me to do.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I don't care, either. But let's be clear: they all choose a coach, not a school.

Exactly.


......

[D-West & PO-Z]

How about deleting this? The same goes for Hettel's post that you responded to.

I'm just saying that obviously CJ Anderson had a picture like this but it doesnt mean anything. I have taken pictures where I looked like a punk. That doesnt say anything about the person. It was a stupid post by hettle.

As much as people are acting like they dont care about this, a lot of the posts do look like sour grapes. Parrom probably wasnt right for Xavier anyway? What the hell does that mean? Those are stupid comments.

[GuyFawkes38]

I'm just saying that obviously CJ Anderson had a picture like this but it doesnt mean anything. I have taken pictures where I looked like a punk. That doesnt say anything about the person. It was a stupid post by hettle.

As much as people are acting like they dont care about this, a lot of the posts do look like sour grapes. Parrom probably wasnt right for Xavier anyway? What the hell does that mean? Those are stupid comments.


I get where D-West&Po-z is coming from.

For example, I'm a really good looking guy. When girls first meet me, lots of times they expect me to be a jerk because I'm so good looking and life comes easy to me.

not true. I'm a nice guy.

[gladdenguy]

Whatever. Mack just saved himself a black eye. Punk ass thug.a He's not a "Xavier guy" anyway. He was only trying to use us. I never even thought he was a good player. He would have been if he came to X because we would have MADE him one but he never would be a good player on his own. Anyone we replace him with will be better. I'm ecstatic that he isn't coming.

Oh, and Sean Miller is the antichrist.

Hilarious and I Love it!!!


That's because they had a hall of fame coach who first took a year off and then retired. It has been a circus out there for two years.

That being said, Arizona is generally going to get more publicity than Xavier. However, if you're in the top 25, then you make Sportscenter.

Hilarious and Very True!!!!


Yup.

Thanks for dropping by. 87 pretty much summed it up.

Hilarious and suck on that!!!!
What a great thread. I enjoyed the three pages from 2-4 I haven't seen until tonight.
Thanks for a great dose of reading material.

[principal]

He loses if he plays for Arizona?

He still gets to play for the coach he wants to play for, in a better conference, and with more exposure. In what world does that equal a loss for him???

AZWildcat - if basketball is all that matters to the kid as you imply in your post, then perhaps you have an argument. If his education matters to him, and it should because the odds of him making enough money playing basketball to support himself and presumably a family for the rest of their lives is pretty damn small, then he'd likely be better off at Xavier.

Due to poor parenting and an even poorer educational system in this country, most kids don't come out of high school with their head's screwed on straight. Kevin may have had a decent family life and a decent high school education, but chances are he will be permitted to devote less time and attention to his schoolwork at AZ then he would have been at XU. A kid can dodge his education at any university to a degree, he can do just enough to get by. But he would have had more accountability at XU than AZ. More accountability equals more likelihood of success.

But even if we are talking basketball, the verdict is out as to who will have more success over the next 4 years. Presumably if Miller can do what he did at XU (an E8 and S16 over a two year period w/o being able to recruit the best players in the country), he should be able to do more at AZ. But who knows? Maybe he doesn't get the players Lute used to get, maybe he does. Maybe Sean's strength is not controlling the egos of 5 Star "me first" recruits? Perhaps he will have no idea how to control a bunch of teenagers when they are not forced into certain behavior patterns by the AZ administration. In addition, we have know idea who XU will pick up. Right now the 2009 and 2010 classes aren't looking great at XU...but maybe they will look pretty good 1 year from now. AZ isn't exactly on top of the recruiting world. I mean, their top prospects are from a lowly little mid-major school in Cincinnati, Ohio, right?

If this kid is smart he won't go to AZ, he'll go somewhere where he can get an education and be assured of a future regardless of what happens to his basketball career. If the kid has a career ending injury during his first year or two in AZ, what happens to him? I know what would happen at X because I have seen it with my own eyes. I don't blame Parrom for de-committing from X. Right or wrong, smart or stupid, he was coming here for Miller (maybe he was a Book guy too). There is nothing wrong with that. If he is smart, he'll choose a place with a coach he likes and a commitment to his development as a human being, not just a commitment to what he can do for their athletic program.

His call, quite possibly his loss.

[PMI]

I don't have the heart to tell gladdenguy I was being sarcastic, but if you found it enjoyable you can take it any way you want.

[gladdenguy]

Dang it, I'm gullable. I'm just trying to recruit as many people as I can.

[dto]

According to my sources, Parrom may not even be eligible next year. Could be a Lyons situation.

[taxpayer]

I don't blame the kid for thinking about AZ; as the earlier post states .9999% of D1 players chose a coach to play for not a university to attend.

With that said, the kid should know that a coach who says he's in it for the long haul because he can get to a FFour from where he's currently at might not be there for four years, especially if the Maryland job opens up or another school has the Brinks truck back up to the coaches garage, not to be critical.

[kjmac]

http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/05/02/parrom-enjoying-arizona-visit/#more-16045

[xufan02]

Moving on.......

[Masterofreality]

Like I'd said a few days ago-

"Book it."

......and move on.

[LutherRackleyRulez]

Per Adam Zagoria/ZagsBlog....


Kevin Parrom to Arizona

Kevin Parrom enjoyed his official visit to Arizona so much he made up his mind about college.

“He’s committing [to Arizona],” a source with direct knowledge said.




http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/05/02/parrom-enjoying-arizona-visit/#more-16045

[GoMuskies]

He must hate winning.

[AviatorX]

Go Wildcats!




not.

[xsteve1]

Miller is really starting to piss me off.....I thought he was supposed to recruit better players to Zona since it is a supposed step up...seems to me he is recruiting the same types of players there.

[boozehound]

That's a shocker.

Taking signed, committed, recruits out the door with you is a classy move. This just keeps getting better and better.

[boozehound]

For a guy that couldn't recruit well enough at Xavier to win a National Championship he sure likes our players.

I really really really hope he never wins a championship, or even makes a final 4.

[AviatorX]

According to Miller himself XU is a buick and Arizona is a Lexus.

Yikes, I hate to see what some of the posters on here are going to have to say about that.

[AviatorX]

BTW, cue Kevin Parrom shooting right back up into the top 75 on Rivals now that he's going to a BCS school.

[D-West & PO-Z]

That's a shocker.

Taking signed, committed, recruits out the door with you is a classy move. This just keeps getting better and better.

Ya, didnt Sean say he was going to leave our committed recruits alone? Not sure why he would even make that comment.

[doug204]

News flash. Parrom wasn't committed.

[Strange Brew]

News flash. Parrom wasn't committed.

Doug, he initially signed his LOI with X. You can't get more comitted than that.

[D-West & PO-Z]

News flash. Parrom wasn't committed.

News flash....You're an idiot.

Don't comment on things you have no idea about.

[boozehound]

News flash. Parrom wasn't committed.

Are you serious right now? He signed an LOI to play at Xavier. How do you get more committed than that? He wasn't a verbal (which is still a committment) but he was a signed recruit.

Nice move. You stay classy Sean Miller.

[boozehound]

Ya, didnt Sean say he was going to leave our committed recruits alone? Not sure why he would even make that comment.

As we are learning, when Sean Miller says something, it doesn't mean much.

[doug204]

He asked out of his LOI. Doesn't sound like he was very committed to me.

[xeus]

Doug, thanks for joining us all the way from the University of Arizona. I look forward to your insightful and intelligent contributions.

[boozehound]

He asked out of his LOI. Doesn't sound like he was very committed to me.

I'm going to hope and pray that you are not as stupid as you sound right now.

If you are truly this dumb, may god have mercy on your soul.

[doug204]

His loss. Best of luck, but not really too much.


That's because they had a hall of fame coach who first took a year off and then retired. It has been a circus out there for two years.

That being said, Arizona is generally going to get more publicity than Xavier. However, if you're in the top 25, then you make Sportscenter.


Maybe Miller is afraid of legitimately high expectations. He left an X program that was expected to compete for the Elite 8/Final 4 next season. Never has Xavier had expectations (and they were legit) like that to START a season. There was talk he could wind up at Pitt or maybe UConn in another year or so. Both of those programs are used to the high expectations. But, instead of holding out for that type of gig, he bolts to Arizona where there's nothing. If he doesn't build it up, it could be blamed on the recent years of the program. He definitely won't be expected to see the Final 4 in the next few years. So the pressure/expectations won't be nearly as great as what he would be facing at X (or UConn, Pitt, etc.) in the near future.

Somebody else actually brought those points up to me and, at first, I didn't think much about it. But it is possible. Plus, if Miller didn't lead X to at least the Elite 8 with its most talented team ever, would his stock drop a little? Perhaps.

Again, this isn't my theory and I still don't really agree with it. But, the more I think about it, the possibility is there. If he gets Arizona back in contention, then bolts to a rebuilding gig for more money, then it might have more merit. Until then, it's just an off the wall theory.


AZWildcat - if basketball is all that matters to the kid as you imply in your post, then perhaps you have an argument. If his education matters to him, and it should because the odds of him making enough money playing basketball to support himself and presumably a family for the rest of their lives is pretty damn small, then he'd likely be better off at Xavier.

Due to poor parenting and an even poorer educational system in this country, most kids don't come out of high school with their head's screwed on straight. Kevin may have had a decent family life and a decent high school education, but chances are he will be permitted to devote less time and attention to his schoolwork at AZ then he would have been at XU. A kid can dodge his education at any university to a degree, he can do just enough to get by. But he would have had more accountability at XU than AZ. More accountability equals more likelihood of success.

But even if we are talking basketball, the verdict is out as to who will have more success over the next 4 years. Presumably if Miller can do what he did at XU (an E8 and S16 over a two year period w/o being able to recruit the best players in the country), he should be able to do more at AZ. But who knows? Maybe he doesn't get the players Lute used to get, maybe he does. Maybe Sean's strength is not controlling the egos of 5 Star "me first" recruits? Perhaps he will have no idea how to control a bunch of teenagers when they are not forced into certain behavior patterns by the AZ administration. In addition, we have know idea who XU will pick up. Right now the 2009 and 2010 classes aren't looking great at XU...but maybe they will look pretty good 1 year from now. AZ isn't exactly on top of the recruiting world. I mean, their top prospects are from a lowly little mid-major school in Cincinnati, Ohio, right?

If this kid is smart he won't go to AZ, he'll go somewhere where he can get an education and be assured of a future regardless of what happens to his basketball career. If the kid has a career ending injury during his first year or two in AZ, what happens to him? I know what would happen at X because I have seen it with my own eyes. I don't blame Parrom for de-committing from X. Right or wrong, smart or stupid, he was coming here for Miller (maybe he was a Book guy too). There is nothing wrong with that. If he is smart, he'll choose a place with a coach he likes and a commitment to his development as a human being, not just a commitment to what he can do for their athletic program.

His call, quite possibly his loss.


Yes, they're both making terrible choices. What are they thinking?

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3501739

[doug204]

I'm going to hope and pray that you are not as stupid as you sound right now.

If you are truly this dumb, may god have mercy on your soul.

I'm not dumb and I know he was commited. What part of "asked out" "LOI" and "no longer committed" don't you get?


If the player decides, for whatever reason, that he wants to attend a different school after signing a letter of intent, he must first seek and receive a release from the first institution.

http://collegebasketball.about.com/od/collegebasketballglossary/g/letterofintent.htm

You sound like the dumb one, either that or you're in denial.

[boozehound]

Notre Dame won a bunch of championships years ago. What is that doing for them now?

Arizona is a good program, don't get me wrong, but outside of the fact that you guys have 30K students and can pay a lot more I don't see anything that makes you any better than a host of other good D1 programs.

Also, The last post that you quoted had little to do with basketball, and focused instead on Xavier as an educational institution that developed well-rounded individuals. Did you read the post before you quoted it?

[GuyFawkes38]

You sound like the dumb one, either that or you're in denial.

are you 12?

very awkward line.

[boozehound]

I'm not dumb and I know he was commited. What part of "asked out" "LOI" and "no longer committed" don't you get?



http://collegebasketball.about.com/od/collegebasketballglossary/g/letterofintent.htm

You sound like the dumb one, either that or you're in denial.

You are arguing semantics in the same specious manner that most people do whenever they are trying to rationalize something. I'm still not sure why you felt the need to come to a Xavier board on a Sunday afternoon and do it, but that is another issue.

Furthermore, you would have a very hard time finding a group of even moderately intelligent people who wouldn't consider this going after a committed recruit. Whether or not Parrom asked out of his LOI had nothing to do with it. When a coach leaves a school and says that the won't go after their committed recruits that doesn't mean convince the recruit to ask for a release from their LOI and recruit away. He recruited the kid on Xavier's dime. He was committed to Xavier until Miller left. You can argue technicalities all you want but knowing the situation 9 out of 10 people would call this going after a committed recruit.

[boozehound]

Hopefully Kevin Parrom's coach-punching days are not over.

[nuts4xu]

Hopefully Kevin Parrom's coach-punching days are not over.

I love how you see no comments anywhere close to this when the kid plans to go to X. The minute he is released or commits to play elswhere, people feel the need to take shots at the kid. Seems most were comfortable it was a one time incident and nothing to worry about for Kev when since he was heading to Xavier.

Now, people are rooting for or predicting he will be a trouble maker (not you boozehound, just commenting on other posts I have read).

He is on his way to play in the desert, where it will be unlikely his family will be able to watch him play. But since he is heading to play for Coach Sean Miller, I think he will do just fine and will not be in any trouble during his stay in Arizona.

[boozehound]

I love how you see no comments anywhere close to this when the kid plans to go to X. The minute he is released or commits to play elswhere, people feel the need to take shots at the kid. Seems most were comfortable it was a one time incident and nothing to worry about for Kev when since he was heading to Xavier.

Now, people are rooting for or predicting he will be a trouble maker (not you boozehound, just commenting on other posts I have read).

He is on his way to play in the desert, where it will be unlikely his family will be able to watch him play. But since he is heading to play for Coach Sean Miller, I think he will do just fine and will not be in any trouble during his stay in Arizona.

In all fairness I wasn't crazy about this kid to begin with, whether the coach-punching incident was a one-time thing or not. He committed to Xavier and so I just kind of stopped talking about it and hoped that he had turned a corner. I'm not going to blast the kid and say that he has no character because I don't know the circumstances. If he does have anger management issues I think that X is probably a better place for him to grow as an individual than AZ, but that is just my opinion.

I do kind of hope that he punches Sean Miller in the face though. I also kind of hope that Kyryl kicks Sean in the junk. That's just how I feel.

[Xman95]

I just hope there has been enough oversight of this situation to be sure that Miller and Co. didn't break any rules (like contacting Parrom while he was still under the LOI with X). However, if they did, I hope they get slapped with a penalty. I wouldn't say throw the book at them because, even if that happened, Sean would just use it to recruit more east coast talent!

Anyway, the signing of Kyryl and Parrom, two guys Miller probably would have had at Xavier, shows one thing: the move was all about money. The fact that the pudgy bastard tried to make it about basketball makes me sick. If he just admitted that he was leaving for a boatload of cash, I would be fine. It's the lies and slapping Xavier in the face, intentional or not, while trying to explain the move. Again, if it was about hoops, he wouldn't be going after the same talent he had at Xavier.

Miller and Arizona have officially moved to my "root against" list, positioned right next to Matta and OSU.

[golfitup]

Miller and Arizona have officially moved to my "root against" list, positioned right next to Matta and OSU.

The one thing Arizona has over Ohio State for me is that it's 2,000 miles away. May as well be in another country. But i hear your noise. Add Arizona to the list of every time i see they lose a big smile will come across my face.

[principal]

Hopefully Kevin Parrom's coach-punching days are not over.

Great post. I needed that. Thanks.

[dto]

My favorite line in the article:

“He [Miller] said the Xavier and Arizona situation is like going from a Buick to a Lexus..."

Wow. After all we did for you Sean, giving you your first Head Coaching job, you're going to play us like that? Wow.