That Other Board...

[KFX]

and the psychopath that runs it are freakin nuts. He's got a post over there saying that the departure of Miller would be funny so that "he could see how the 'Miller will never leave' crowd will deal with it."

What a dick. Sorry if this broke rules.

[xuwin]

and the psychopath that runs it are freakin nuts. He's got a post over there saying that the departure of Miller would be funny so that "he could see how the 'Miller will never leave' crowd will deal with it."

What a dick. Sorry if this broke rules.

When I visit that site I avoid all of the posts that he starts which is about half of them.

[xeus]

I have posted a lot over there in the past 2 days blasting Gary for calling out, by name, each of the players who had an "awful" game.

You can see the back and forth here, although he did edit his original post:

Best of Gary (http://www.musketeermadness.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1625)

And here is some fun banter with an obvious troll who would have been whacked over on this board:

stewie (http://www.musketeermadness.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1664)

Good times.

[KFX]

Yes. I saw the post calling the players out. mindboggling.

[BlueGuy]

This is a last ditch effort to drive traffic to the site. The site is dying and he knows it.

[Xpectations]

I have posted a lot over there in the past 2 days blasting Gary for calling out, by name, each of the players who had an "awful" game.

You can see the back and forth here, although he did edit his original post:

Best of Gary (http://www.musketeermadness.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1625)

And here is some fun banter with an obvious troll who would have been whacked over on this board:

stewie (http://www.musketeermadness.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1664)

Good times.

Good job, Xeus. Some troll posts don't bother me but attacking and denigrating players should never be permitted. I would rep you for sticking up for our guys but I guess I repped you last and it won't let me.

[THRILLHOUSE]

the other day after I read Gary's post calling the players awful I vowed to never visit that site ever again. That site is an embarrassment and I will not miss it at all.

[boozehound]

That site sucks. Big time. I haven't visited in a while, and I don't plan to visit again.

[spongebob]

Good job, Xeus. Some troll posts don't bother me but attacking and denigrating players should never be permitted. I would rep you for sticking up for our guys but I guess I repped you last and it won't let me.

I agree. Gotcha covered. I repped him for ya.

[kyxu]

I only visit to read Andy Mac's columns.

[xavierdude]

I saw someone at the pre-game party at Alice Cooper'stown in phoenix wearing a musketeermadness.com shirt. I laughed pretty hard.

[xeus]

I saw someone at the pre-game party at Alice Cooper'stown in phoenix wearing a musketeermadness.com shirt. I laughed pretty hard.

That was from the musketeer madness event at the beginning of the season, not the website. I thought the same thing when I saw it but when I checked it out it wasn't the website. (unless we are talking about 2 different tshirts)

[Muskie73]

I only visit to read Andy Mac's columns.

Wish he'd come over to the light and post over here!

[blueballs]

ya, MM made too many desperate moves too late in the game. they waited until all hell broke loose before they made any enhancements, and then the enhancements were pedestrian. whores.

[drudy23]

I'm amazed by how many people can seriously bad mouth a free web-site. It's not like's he's getting paid. You should be grateful he kept the thing up as long as he did for YOUR pleasure...and HIS work...for FREE.

Ungrateful bastards.

[Cheesehead]

Maybe this site can "hire" Andy Mac away. Then it would be complete. I don't go there very much anymore either.

[BlueGuy]

I'm amazed by how many people can seriously bad mouth a free web-site. It's not like's he's getting paid. You should be grateful he kept the thing up as long as he did for YOUR pleasure...and HIS work...for FREE.

Ungrateful bastards.

For what it's worth, I offered to donate to him several times. I recieved NO response.

[drudy23]

For what it's worth, I offered to donate to him several times. I recieved NO response.

And yet another reason to bad-mouth the guy? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[XURunner85]

I can't ever get passed the front page on MM, they said it is my cookies...but I have heard others say the same thing...I think I will stay here...starting to get used to this site.

[Kahns Krazy]

I'm amazed by how many people can seriously bad mouth a free web-site. It's not like's he's getting paid. You should be grateful he kept the thing up as long as he did for YOUR pleasure...and HIS work...for FREE.

Ungrateful bastards.
Uh, it's not "his" site. He is a moderator and he has caused some actual harm to the Xavier community and pissed off many people.

If I take a dump on your front porch and dont charge you for it, I expect you to be grateful.

[xeus]

Uh, it's not "his" site. He is a moderator and he has caused some actual harm to the Xavier community and pissed off many people.

If I take a dump on your front porch and dont charge you for it, I expect you to be grateful.

Yes, he has not made any friends in the XU athletic community that's for sure.

I still don't understand why the Skeldons - good guys by all accounts - continue to tolerate him and the way he runs that board.

[Xpectations]

Yes, he has not made any friends in the XU athletic community that's for sure.

I still don't understand why the Skeldons - good guys by all accounts - continue to tolerate him and the way he runs that board.

Don't know them from Adam, but they're 1 for 3 IMO in terms of choosing appropriate moderators. That might get you a nice contract in baseball but it's a crappy way to run a successful message board, especially now that there's competition.

We can see by the enormous (and rapid) success of this site how many people were completely primed for a legitimate alternative. They probably think it was due to the Service Unavailable problem. That may have provided some of the initial move, but it isn't what has now doomed that site to playing second fiddle. The overall moderation of this site is honestly as good as it gets.

Muskieman is loyal to the core over there. I'd love to see him here though. He's a great guy and a great ambassador for the program.

[xeus]

Muskieman is loyal to the core over there. I'd love to see him here though. He's a great guy and a great ambassador for the program.

Couldn't agree more. muskieman and a couple of other guys who have stayed over on MM are the only reason I go there. Would like to get muskieman, wisexuowl, olsingledigit, birdman71, Mr. O, etc. over to this board.

[Somebody]

Muskieman is loyal to the core over there. I'd love to see him here though. He's a great guy and a great ambassador for the program.
muskieman is a personal friend, great guy, and true blue fan. I have not visited the other board since someone there mentioned this one and I checked it out. I know hardly anyone else there nor do I know who Gary is. I only started going there when they changed the software (I could not tolerate the old stuff) but as noted it does have its problems both technically and personally (with a few exceptions). I really only visit the message boards for the most part to pick up on news that is not published in the mainstream so do not post a lot.

[REF]

Frankly, I appreciate being able to see half naked women for avatars!:cool:

[XUglow]

Frankly, I appreciate being able to see half naked women for avatars!:cool:

To be "half naked" your avitar would need a pair of socks and a bra.

[Juice]

As someone who visited the other board quite often before this board came about, I am glad that this one has become so strong. There are no problems with being censored, regulated for "bad" pictures, and there is very little negativity (especially when it is not needed). This board is a welcome change. The features of this site are also nicer and easier to navigate through.

[jdm2000]

The Skeldons are good guys. I give them credit for having run the site for so long as a labor of love. I'm sure they didn't want the negativity it ended up with.

[xu95]

That site sucks. Big time. I haven't visited in a while, and I don't plan to visit again.

I keep going back to that board when other ones die. I didn't visit for almost two year when Pablo's was going strong. Please don't stop posting here so I don't have to visit that cesspool again.

Even though I do like Muskieman.

xu95

[XU-XHI]

The Skeldons are good guys. I give them credit for having run the site for so long as a labor of love. I'm sure they didn't want the negativity it ended up with.

I still enjoy posting in both places and am appreciative of the work, time, and expense to run these sites. Except for a bit of Gary's negativism, I enjoy both sites. Of course there is never any negativism here. ;-)

[xu95]

Couldn't agree more. muskieman and a couple of other guys who have stayed over on MM are the only reason I go there. Would like to get muskieman, wisexuowl, olsingledigit, birdman71, Mr. O, etc. over to this board.


I could do without wiseowl and his political ramblings. I don't go to a Xavier messageboard to hear that I am satan because I vote Republican.

xu95

[Snipe]

and the psychopath that runs it are freakin nuts. He's got a post over there saying that the departure of Miller would be funny so that "he could see how the 'Miller will never leave' crowd will deal with it."

What a dick. Sorry if this broke rules.

Pretty much par for the course. He wanted Miller gone. He wanted Matta gone. He pretty much wants every coach gone. Now even when Miller is doing well he would enjoy it to see him go. People always say "Gary is a Xavier fan". I am not saying he isn't, but he really is a special case.


I have posted a lot over there in the past 2 days blasting Gary for calling out, by name, each of the players who had an "awful" game.



He enjoys ripping on our kids. He likes to get a reaction. I am glad I don't read it or I would probably be feeding the fire. Anyone remember the "Thornton Post" at halftime a few years ago that he deleted after Brian led the comeback and was player of the game? He went right after him (Vicious, personal and lacerating). Then Thornton is MVP and the post goes missing. During or after a big win he could go MIA for a day or two. During a loss he is on every game thread. It was as if he couldn't wait for the game to be over if we are playing poorly.


Uh, it's not "his" site. He is a moderator and he has caused some actual harm to the Xavier community and pissed off many people.

If I take a dump on your front porch and dont charge you for it, I expect you to be grateful.

Make that 1,000 dumps on your front porch. And then he calls you every other day and tells you about that really stinky dump he took four years ago. On the day we signed Kenny Frease he hit the thread with complaints about blowing leads to Ohio State and Gonzaga. Then he complained that we were recruiting too many white players. Talk about jumping the shark. I emailed the Skeldons that day. I guess it was just “Gary being Gary!”


Yes, he has not made any friends in the XU athletic community that's for sure.

I still don't understand why the Skeldons - good guys by all accounts - continue to tolerate him and the way he runs that board.

The Skeldons are great guys. I have no idea what they were thinking. I certainly emailed them my thoughts on many occasions. It is their site, and they picked Griff to run it from the get go and be the lead for the last 7 years. I have had beers with them and would again.


The Skeldons are good guys. I give them credit for having run the site for so long as a labor of love. I'm sure they didn't want the negativity it ended up with.

Great guys. That doesn't mean they make great choices. And you can't get around the fact that a choice like that reflects upon them. If they didn't want the negativity they could have gone in a new direction.

The Bengals were loyal to Bruce Coslet. Loyalty is a virtue. At least until is a weakness. It amazes me to this day that Coslet wasn't fired. He resigned. He wasn't even pressured or forced to resign (at least not by the owners). He knew what a big failure he was. The media knew it. The fans knew it. At one point he couldn't take being such a loser anymore, and he wanted his Sundays back.

I admire the loyalty. That doesn't mean I admire the decision. The Skeldons own that.

I am just glad to be here and breathe the air that is free. FREE AT LAST!

I am also glad that nobody calls my Polly here. Pollyanna was probably the most overused term in the history of Gary’s reign of error. It is like saying to someone “You are just some dumb diehard fan that thinks everything is going to work out in the end”. Except in the last 25 years, everything has pretty much worked itself out to our advantage. Looking back, being a diehard believer could never have served me better. And yet I think the best is yet to come. There has never been a better time to be alive and be a fan of your Xavier Musketeers. The future is bright.

What a small man.

[PM Thor]

Nobody uses Polly on here.

The new term is to call someone Gary in the opposite.

I got it earlier this year, and was greatly offended.

[muskieforlife]

I am utterly confused on why you would call yourself a "true" fan but then find it necessary to rip the players every chance you get. Players that sacrifice so much for the University we all love. What a tool!!

[wkrq59]

I enjoy posting on both sites and I do so because of Muskieman and Owl and the others.
As far as Gary is concerned, at times I ignore him and when I can't because what he says (like calling Stan worse than awful) I'll drop a jab or two be never get involved in the in-fighting.
As I said over there, there is room for both boards. One of the great things about the Xavier Nation is its diversity of opinion.
That said, it's more fun to post over here because there is considerably less meanness. Also, I get sick of having to wade through a lot of personal attacks, innuendos and nasty.
I was very disappointed with Gary's post after the UCLA game, because I actually thought he altered his pitch.
The one thing I really dislike is the bickering and name calling. Say what you have to say and move on. There is absolutely no need to get into a "Mine's bigger than yours," "Oh not it isn't," O yes it is," and on and on.
As far as Owl's politics are concerned, this is still a free country is it not? I may not like what you say or your political beliefs, but does that mean I have to engage in calling you names, or in a rant that's interminable? Have we become so polarized that we speak with contempt about a person just because he doesn't vote the same way you do? Or have the same color skin you do? Or profess the same religious belief? Or live a certain life-style?
I really enjoy writing on this board because it helps me get back in the swing of something that was a part of my daily life for 40-plus years.
Does that mean I have to hate the guys on the other board? Absolutely not.

[Xman95]

Uh, it's not "his" site. He is a moderator and he has caused some actual harm to the Xavier community and pissed off many people.

If I take a dump on your front porch and dont charge you for it, I expect you to be grateful.

KK, that's a little different. You were basically going to his front porch and weren't happy when he dropped a deuce on it. Well, it's his porch. If you don't like it, don't go there. Obviously you - and many others - have come to that conclusion and that's why you're here.

Honestly, I think Gary is often correct, but he expresses it in a way that comes across as insanely negative. I also think that, having dealt with people getting upset with his "negative" views over the years, he has created a board personality for himself that automatically takes a negative stance and, when pushed, he simply digs his heels in and refuses to be moved.

I actually enjoy him and think he really is a fan. He just happens to view things a little differently than the majority. So you won't find me bashing him...although I have found myself on this board far more often than MM lately and I do prefer the general tone here (it doesn't help that I often have problems accessing MM and posting there).


I do want to say that, while I don't have a problem with criticizing the players within reason, I did totally disagree with Gary's posting after the team took us to the Elite 8. Calling them out like that was not necessary. I realize it may have been fueled by the disappointment of losing, but at that point you just step away from the keyboard and wait until you have calmed down before posting.

Did they play their best game? Obviously not. But I couldn't rip those kids in that way and feel good about it. They played hard and gave it - and us - everything they had. If they didn't seem to care, maybe it would be different. But I saw kids in tears walking off that floor and nobody felt worse about the ending than they did. And, honestly, I don't think they were awful. UCLA was clicking on all cylinders while XU was worn out from the WVU game...and we only lost by 19. Yep, I said ONLY. Because if we truly played AWFUL with the way UCLA was clicking, they would have waxed us by about 40. They were a better team and we weren't great. It happens.

[DC Muskie]

I like all of our fans. The ones who are critical, the ones who never see anything wrong, but man, I stopped reading after that first post. Jeez. We got beat. By UCLA. In the Elite 8. Of the NCAA tournament.

Relax Gary.

[Xpectations]

I will say this. If posters did go on that board and make fun of Gary's father's death, call his sister a whore, etc., like his is saying, that is some low s#!t. That's far lower and worse than anything he's ever posted.

Regardless of what you think about his posts you can't possibly believe that itr's good idea or justifiable in any way to attack a guy's family.

[Muskie]

when did that occur?

[Xpectations]

Not sure. Even on my most active days I've rarely read more than 10%-20% of the posts. I didn't see those posts, but you can tell by the raw feelings he expressed that they were very real.

[Smails]

I will say this. If posters did go on that board and make fun of Gary's father's death, call his sister a whore, etc., like his is saying, that is some low s#!t. That's far lower and worse than anything he's ever posted.

Regardless of what you think about his posts you can't possibly believe that itr's good idea or justifiable in any way to attack a guy's family.

I agree with the classless nature of talking in jest about a deseased loved one, but sisters are gernerally fair game. DC has been talking about tapping my sister for years. (I humor him because he has not shot). I think Pablo or Snipe eluded to whoring out a sister for shootout tickets back in the day...

[Xman95]

I agree with the classless nature of talking in jest about a deseased loved one, but sisters are gernerally fair game. DC has been talking about tapping my sister for years. (I humor him because he has not shot). I think Pablo or Snipe eluded to whoring out a sister for shootout tickets back in the day...

In DC they tap many women...and wires.



(If people did make fun of the death of Gary's father, that's simply sick and classless. Quite honestly, I think that's a boot-off-the-board offense. Obviously, I didn't do it. But, if Gary is reading this board, I would like to apologize on behalf of the Xavier family because, as I hope he knows, that's not what the majority of us are about and not what we would do. But, unfortunately, every family has some relatives they would prefer to forget...even at X.)

[ATL Muskie]

That board is dead to me. It's sad, b/c muskieman is one of my favorites and while I can appreciate his loyalty I do wish he would leave the sinking ship to the rats. I don't even look at that board anymore.

My issue with that board for a long time has been Shadow. I generally ignore the negative nabobs, whackpods and trolls but the Shadow's ridiculous behavior finally got to me. His advice was always a smug, "Find an alternative." I did. End of story.

[The Artist]

That board is dead to me. It's sad, b/c muskieman is one of my favorites and while I can appreciate his loyalty I do wish he would leave the sinking ship to the rats. I don't even look at that board anymore.

My issue with that board for a long time has been Shadow. I generally ignore the negative nabobs, whackpods and trolls but the Shadow's ridiculous behavior finally got to me. His advice was always a smug, "Find an alternative." I did. End of story.

Nice shoutout in the newest Xavier magazine, btw.

[xudash]

It is a shame to have this much bickering in the family.

I honestly haven't been over there much for technical reasons; the main page loads okay but the messageboard itself hardly ever comes up. Seriously, is this happening to anyone else here?

If I load it through the A10 site, it works more often that not, but I can't get it to work through a direct connection to MM.

Even with all that and even if it worked fine, I'm here about 90% of the time now.

The people who get too personal and exhibit no class are stuck living with themselves.

[ATL Muskie]

Nice shoutout in the newest Xavier magazine, btw.

Artist, check your PM.

[XBR1]

I can honestly say that I never saw any bad comments regarding Gary's brother or father. I may have seen a few questionable comments about his sister. I can also tell you Gary said he wished I was dead and after questioning him on it he had the same response. Oh well no sleep lost.

Oh by the way, MM sucks.

[xeus]

I'm sorry if Garyhad to deal with that kind of crap. But at least he's able to defend himself. In fact, he's lucky to have the ability to delete. The players have no such advantage. They may read the board, but they certainly are not able to come on and defend themselves. I'm not sure Gary understands the difference.

[REF]

To be "half naked" your avitar would need a pair of socks and a bra.:D

And how do you know she doesn't have those on?:rolleyes:

[Xman95]

I'm sorry if Garyhad to deal with that kind of crap. But at least he's able to defend himself. In fact, he's lucky to have the ability to delete. The players have no such advantage. They may read the board, but they certainly are not able to come on and defend themselves. I'm not sure Gary understands the difference.

Xeus, as I said on the other board...

Just kidding. I'm not going into it all again. And, quite honestly, I think this should probably stop being a topic of discussion on this board. If people have come here to get away from MM and its issues (whatever they are perceived to be), why drag them over here and make them part of this world? Just let it be. What's at MM stays at MM. Xavierhoops.com is a new world with different things to explore. We should just enjoy it and what the future holds, not live in the past.

[Xpectations]

I'm sorry if Garyhad to deal with that kind of crap. But at least he's able to defend himself. In fact, he's lucky to have the ability to delete. The players have no such advantage. They may read the board, but they certainly are not able to come on and defend themselves. I'm not sure Gary understands the difference.

I agree with this. As vile as it is, it doesn't justify attacking players.

[DC Muskie]

I agree with the classless nature of talking in jest about a deseased loved one, but sisters are gernerally fair game. DC has been talking about tapping my sister for years. (I humor him because he has not shot). I think Pablo or Snipe eluded to whoring out a sister for shootout tickets back in the day...

I hope everyone knows I kid about that.

I don't understand why people take it overboard. Gary's a Xavier fan. It could be worse, he could be a Dayton fan. At the end of the day, he's one of us.

[DC Muskie]

What's at MM stays at MM. Xavierhoops.com is a new world with different things to explore. We should just enjoy it and what the future holds, not live in the past.

Thank you.

[Arnold Horshack]

I enjoy this polyanna board much more than MM. I wonder what Gary, Muskieman, and the rest of the "survivors" over there will do if that board eventually collapses? Would they be able to swallow some pride and crawl over here as regular posters? Would they be able to live without a Xavier chatboard?

[Xman95]

I enjoy this polyanna board much more than MM. I wonder what Gary, Muskieman, and the rest of the "survivors" over there will do if that board eventually collapses? Would they be able to swallow some pride and crawl over here as regular posters? Would they be able to live without a Xavier chatboard?

Honestly, I can't worry about what they would do if that board goes down. I have enough of my own crap to worry about without getting concerned over whether someone would switch boards.

As I said before, I really suggest we all just let it go. People who enjoy MM can post there. If you enjoy Xhoops, post here. No sense in worrying about what someone is doing somewhere else. In the end, we're all just Xavier fans hoping for that National Championship someday!!

[Emp]

the other board? Vile and angry insults? Life after MM apparently includes returning to it over and over and obsessing about it.

There are several emperors with no clothes in this thread.

[Arnold Horshack]

the other board? Vile and angry insults? Life after MM apparently includes returning to it over and over and obsessing about it.

There are several emperors with no clothes in this thread.

Gary, is that you?

[KFX]

Honestly, I can't worry about what they would do if that board goes down. I have enough of my own crap to worry about without getting concerned over whether someone would switch boards.

As I said before, I really suggest we all just let it go. People who enjoy MM can post there. If you enjoy Xhoops, post here. No sense in worrying about what someone is doing somewhere else. In the end, we're all just Xavier fans hoping for that National Championship someday!!

Thanks Sheriff. I wonder why you don't take your own advice and ignore the post instead of trying to tell people what to post. I'll post what I damn well please, thank you.

[Muskie]

... this thread has probably run it's course. For the record, i don't care where you post. I'm just happy to have you post here.