Trey Green Indefinite Leave

[PaulFritschner]

Per Xavier: Sophomore Trey Green is taking an indefinite leave to address a health-related matter.

“We are disappointed that Trey won’t be on the court but his health comes first,” said Xavier head coach Sean Miller. “Trey will have the full support of Xavier University and our basketball program.”

[atljar]

UGGG. Now the speculations will run wild. I understand why they phrase things the way they do, but often it would be easier just to tell us whats up!

I wish upon Trey whatever is best for him.

[Xville]

Sounds mental which I can understand why they don’t say it. There’s still a stigma unfortunately.

If that’s the case or whatever it is, hope he gets the help he needs and comes back stronger than ever

[X-band '01]

I remember John Hugley taking a mental health break at one point from Pitt - he can relate to what Green would be going through if that's the case.

I think another reason they announced this was to say 1)it's not grades and 2)it's not a disciplinary matter. On the latter, let's not forget that Sean Miller briefly suspended Freemantle during preseason a couple of years ago and didn't hesitate to announce it publicly.

[Final4]

Sounds mental which I can understand why they don’t say it. There’s still a stigma unfortunately.

If that’s the case or whatever it is, hope he gets the help he needs and comes back stronger than ever

Well there's an incredibly stupid leap of faith but given the source I'm not surprised.

[Xville]

Well there's an incredibly stupid leap of faith but given the source I'm not surprised.

Leap of faith? How so? If it was physical unless it’s something really serious, they’d just say what it was.

I dunno why you feel the need to be a complete asshole, but not surprised given the source. You may want to try a different phrase than “leap of faith” considering that makes zero sense based on what I said.

[Xavier]

Well there's an incredibly stupid leap of faith but given the source I'm not surprised.

Huh? I kinda thought it was that also.

Or maybe a Craft situation, or a cover up for grades. I have no idea though

[Xville]

Huh? I kinda thought it was that also.

Or maybe a Craft situation, or a cover up for grades. I have no idea though

Not surprised by his comment. He’s just an ass. Also the same guy who whined ad nauseam because supposedly Christopher told him he’d never have to switch seats in cintas ever again (no way that actually happened), and he believed it like an idiot.

[XUGRAD80]

I will take Sean at his word and wish Trey to get well soon and come back to the team. No sense IMO wasting time on complete speculation. It’s really none of our business and we should respect his privacy.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Whatever the reason is, we wish him the best to a full totally healthy return.

If and that is if it's a mental health thing, I have found that among the interns at my office their mental health is of paramount importance. It ranks higher to them than a lot of things like advancement and accumulation of wealth. Different generations have different priorities.

[JTG]

UGGG. Now the speculations will run wild. I understand why they phrase things the way they do, but often it would be easier just to tell us whats up!

I wish upon Trey whatever is best for him.
Ever hear of HIPAA? It's the law, they can't say what his issue is.

[Xville]

Ever hear of HIPAA? It's the law, they can't say what his issue is.

You can with consent, which is why I said I think it’s mental because unfortunately there is still a stigma and not something he’d want to openly share, at least not right now

[MHettel]

Unfortunate and I wish him well.

My assumption is that he’ll come back. I know that’s not a sure thing. In the event that he doesn’t, we have some ball handling duties to take care of.

Foster isn’t an option. Conwell and Maddox will need to pick it up.

This was maybe the deepest team we’ve ever had. Suddenly we are thin at Center and PG.

I asked this recently, but is Roddy Anderson an option. I know the answer is “no”, but that’s when we had Green in the mix.

[waggy]

is Roddy Anderson an option.

Sure, how much you paying him?

[MHettel]

Sure, how much you paying him?

What am I missing?

I assume you allude that he receives zero right now, and why would he play for that. Is that right?

Well, why would anyone pay him anything next year if that’s the case?

Miller already knows how good this guy is (or isn’t) after months of practice. He can either help or not. And we need help.

If you’re him, impacting this team THIS year gets you paid next year. Otherwise, he playing next year as a prove it year to cash in the following year.

From what I hear, he’s an athletic freak and a motor. We don’t need that NOW?

[XUGRAD80]

Green has been the last guard off the bench for at least the last 4 games (5 if you count Morgan St) and has averaged only about 7 mins per game. Spread among Maddox, McKnight, Conwell, and even Swain, that only 2-3 more minutes per game for each of them. ALL of those players are better defensive players than Green too. I wish Trey the best and hopes he comes back sooner rather than later (or not at all), but I don’t see this as a major setback for the team or a reason to panic.

[Xville]

Green has been the last guard off the bench for at least the last 4 games (5 if you count Morgan St) and has averaged only about 7 mins per game. Spread among Maddox, McKnight, Conwell, and even Swain, that only 2-3 more minutes per game for each of them. ALL of those players are better defensive players than Green too. I wish Trey the best and hopes he comes back sooner rather than later (or not at all), but I don’t see this as a major setback for the team or a reason to panic.

Correct. Maddox seems to be getting more comfortable every game. I wish nothing but the best for green, but this isn’t a traore type loss.

[XUGRAD80]

Correct. Maddox seems to be getting more comfortable every game. I wish nothing but the best for green, but this isn’t a traore type loss.

I can also see Fletcher picking up more minutes as the season goes on, which would free up Swain and Foster a little bit and allow them to keep minutes where they are.

I think that it is really hard for a smaller guard to compete at elite levels in today’s game. We are seeing a lot of programs where their “point” guards are 6’4” or taller. Also where their guards are becoming better at posting up small guards and scoring over top of them. Defensively Green is a liability. Maddox provides the potential to be much better defensively, even if he isn’t as good a shooter. I’ll take that trade off.

[bleedXblue]

Unfortunate and I wish him well.

My assumption is that he’ll come back. I know that’s not a sure thing. In the event that he doesn’t, we have some ball handling duties to take care of.

Foster isn’t an option. Conwell and Maddox will need to pick it up.

This was maybe the deepest team we’ve ever had. Suddenly we are thin at Center and PG.

I asked this recently, but is Roddy Anderson an option. I know the answer is “no”, but that’s when we had Green in the mix.

Highly unlikley he is coming back. Anderson and Nyk Lewis will be PG options for next year

[Xville]

Highly unlikley he is coming back. Anderson and Nyk Lewis will be PG options for next year

Correct.

I think this is actually going to really help Maddox and his confidence. He isn't going to be looking over his shoulder so much, believing that with every mistake hes going to the bench. Not that hes going to get the biggest leash ever, but I think mentally its really going to help him.

[Xville]

I can also see Fletcher picking up more minutes as the season goes on, which would free up Swain and Foster a little bit and allow them to keep minutes where they are.

I think that it is really hard for a smaller guard to compete at elite levels in today’s game. We are seeing a lot of programs where their “point” guards are 6’4” or taller. Also where their guards are becoming better at posting up small guards and scoring over top of them. Defensively Green is a liability. Maddox provides the potential to be much better defensively, even if he isn’t as good a shooter. I’ll take that trade off.

Correct. I think if you are a smaller guard, you better have the ability to do other things that keep you on the floor. Green just doesn't have it at this level. Someone pointed out Ashworth...he is someone that can shoot a bit AND breakdown a defense, be a great passer, floor leader and defend well for this size. It's a big difference.

This is about the time that the rotation naturally sinks anyway, and its pretty clear who the top 7 are, and then the 8th/9th guy with Hugley and Fletcher depending on Fletcher's health and Hugley's productivity.

[waggy]

Correct. I think if you are a smaller guard, you better have the ability to do other things that keep you on the floor. Green just doesn't have it at this level. Someone pointed out Ashworth...he is someone that can shoot a bit AND breakdown a defense, be a great passer, floor leader and defend well for this size. It's a big difference.

This is about the time that the rotation naturally sinks anyway, and its pretty clear who the top 7 are, and then the 8th/9th guy with Hugley and Fletcher depending on Fletcher's health and Hugley's productivity.

It's a difference in execution, not size.

[Xville]

It's a difference in execution, not size.

Yes, I think the point is, if you are that size, you have to work a bit harder, execute better etc. if you are 6’5 point guard, you can get away with some things that a 6’0 guy can’t

[waggy]

Yes, I think the point is, if you are that size, you have to work a bit harder, execute better etc. if you are 6’5 point guard, you can get away with some things that a 6’0 guy can’t

That's fine. I'm just tired of fans running Green's potential down because of his size. It's not impossible for him to be a plus player at his size.

[Xville]

What am I missing?

I assume you allude that he receives zero right now, and why would he play for that. Is that right?

Well, why would anyone pay him anything next year if that’s the case?

Miller already knows how good this guy is (or isn’t) after months of practice. He can either help or not. And we need help.

If you’re him, impacting this team THIS year gets you paid next year. Otherwise, he playing next year as a prove it year to cash in the following year.

From what I hear, he’s an athletic freak and a motor. We don’t need that NOW?

Based on bj’s commment, nevermind. I’m surprised he’s getting money for redshirting.

[94GRAD]

Sure, how much you paying him?

Roddy is not an option. The plan, all along, has been for him to redshirt this year to learn the system and run the point next season. He is absolutely getting paid this year.

[Xville]

Roddy is not an option. The plan, all along, has been for him to redshirt this year to learn the system and run the point next season. He is absolutely getting paid this year.

Ok I’m wrong. I’m surprised he’s getting nil this year. Good for him, but pretty surprised by that comment

[bleedXblue]

Ok I’m wrong. I’m surprised he’s getting nil this year. Good for him, but pretty surprised by that comment

It could be a small amount......you never know.

[94GRAD]

It could be a small amount......you never know.

I'm not privy to the exact number, but I'd be shocked if it's under six figures.

[drudy23]

That's fine. I'm just tired of fans running Green's potential down because of his size. It's not impossible for him to be a plus player at his size.

It's also his skill set. What can he do once he reaches the paint? He can't score in the paint, and he's not a great passer either. So that limits him to being a shooter. We all agree he's an amazing shooter, but he has to get open looks to be consistent because of his size.

I have no doubt he would shoot 50%+ if this offense got him 6 open looks a game. But that doesn't happen, and alot of his shots are forced by him off the dribble or against solid defense.

Think of how Drew Lavender impacted a game in numerous ways at his size. Green doesn't have that complete skill set, especially as a 2. It's VERY HARD to be a 2 guard in the Big East at that size. Just because he can shoot doesn't mean he can get open - ask Brad Redford, who is THE BEST shooter I have ever seen, but he didn't have great impact because of his size and inability to get shots on his own.

[Three Point Pete]

It's a difference in execution, not size.Agreed, it's up to Trey, and I remember something that Sean said about him. Trey has this "inner fight-I will not be denied because I am giving up a couple of inches I height. I am going to make up for it by doing things."
So, if the other things include getting assists up and turn overs down and coming off a cold bench to drain 4 critical free throws, then (as the saying goes) the ball is in his court.
I wish him the best and pray for a speedy recovery

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[Xavier]

I think Green has good speed. And at times can get to the lane well. I’d hoped he could’ve developed a good tear drop like Lavender. Changes everything. But when hes shown his quickness, ability to get to the paint, etc- he usually fumbles it or has a bad pass. Like he’s going to fast for himself. It’s not like this happens often but when it does that’s usually the outcome.

[Muskeagle]

Personally, I'm bummed about it. I like Green and love the way he carries himself on the court. I still think he could be a major contributor this year and going forward. I hope that is with X...but I also hope that he gets himself back to a good place health-wise. Best of luck, young man. Always rooting for you.

[MHettel]

I'm not privy to the exact number, but I'd be shocked if it's under six figures.

I’m floored. Roddy has played 2 years and has yet to demonstrate the ability to shoot. I mean, it’s bad.

For sure I’d take a flyer on him like we did. And hope it works out. But giving 6 figure NIL?

I kinda assumed that we’d be using that money on, you know, guys that will play.

What if we spend all this time (and apparently money) to help him develop his game and the shot never comes around? And what if without that ability, he’s just not quite BE caliber? Does Miller just cut bait? He should if that’s where we land.

For as much emphasis as NIL has on the potential success of a program it just seems irresponsible to throw money at a guy that won’t play and has a glaring weakness.

He’s Dwon Odom! We had that guy already.

[94GRAD]

I’m floored. Roddy has played 2 years and has yet to demonstrate the ability to shoot. I mean, it’s bad.

For sure I’d take a flyer on him like we did. And hope it works out. But giving 6 figure NIL?

I kinda assumed that we’d be using that money on, you know, guys that will play.

What if we spend all this time (and apparently money) to help him develop his game and the shot never comes around? And what if without that ability, he’s just not quite BE caliber? Does Miller just cut bait? He should if that’s where we land.

For as much emphasis as NIL has on the potential success of a program it just seems irresponsible to throw money at a guy that won’t play and has a glaring weakness.

He’s Dwon Odom! We had that guy already.

If a low 6 figure number for a scholarship player floors you, I won't tell you that the Walk-ons make 50k.

[94GRAD]

I’m floored. Roddy has played 2 years and has yet to demonstrate the ability to shoot. I mean, it’s bad.

For sure I’d take a flyer on him like we did. And hope it works out. But giving 6 figure NIL?

I kinda assumed that we’d be using that money on, you know, guys that will play.

What if we spend all this time (and apparently money) to help him develop his game and the shot never comes around? And what if without that ability, he’s just not quite BE caliber? Does Miller just cut bait? He should if that’s where we land.

For as much emphasis as NIL has on the potential success of a program it just seems irresponsible to throw money at a guy that won’t play and has a glaring weakness.

He’s Dwon Odom! We had that guy already.

How many practices have you been to? From all reports, he's exceeding expectations.

[xu82]

I will take Sean at his word and wish Trey to get well soon and come back to the team. No sense IMO wasting time on complete speculation. It’s really none of our business and we should respect his privacy.

Thank you for stating what I thought should be obvious.

[drudy23]

From all reports, he's exceeding expectations.

Huh?

He's not failing, but he's certainly not exceeding.

[94GRAD]

Huh?

He's not failing, but he's certainly not exceeding.

We're talking about Roddy Anderson and how well he's doing in practice learning and running Sean's system right? Because he has exceeded expectations.

[drudy23]

We're talking about Roddy Anderson and how well he's doing in practice learning and running Sean's system right? Because he has exceeded expectations.

Aw. sorry...thought you were referring to Green.

[XUBison]

If a low 6 figure number for a scholarship player floors you, I won't tell you that the Walk-ons make 50k.

You can’t be serious, are you? Barf.

[MHettel]

How many practices have you been to? From all reports, he's exceeding expectations.

Then fucking play him!

I realize what the plan was. But plans change right? We don’t have a backup PG now and from what I’ve seen Conwell and Maddox are the only 2 guys that might be able to do it. And I’ll stress the word MIGHT. I see either of these guys as capable secondary ball handler on the court, but neither is near what we need from a primary ballhandler.


If Anderson is truly exceeding expectations, then let’s get him in there now. And if the expectations were that he’d be good, then he’s for sure ready (if he’s exceeding them). And if the expectations are that he might not be good, then I’m wondering why you take a guy like that and then have low expectations.

I don’t know what will happen, but this idea that it’s zero percent is just foolish. What if McKnight goes down? Just pack it up? Quit midseason? There is a point that Roddy Anderson plays. He’s not injured and presumably he’s academically eligible.

[Xville]

Then fucking play him!

I realize what the plan was. But plans change right? We don’t have a backup PG now and from what I’ve seen Conwell and Maddox are the only 2 guys that might be able to do it. And I’ll stress the word MIGHT. I see either of these guys as capable secondary ball handler on the court, but neither is near what we need from a primary ballhandler.


If Anderson is truly exceeding expectations, then let’s get him in there now. And if the expectations were that he’d be good, then he’s for sure ready (if he’s exceeding them). And if the expectations are that he might not be good, then I’m wondering why you take a guy like that and then have low expectations.

I don’t know what will happen, but this idea that it’s zero percent is just foolish. What if McKnight goes down? Just pack it up? Quit midseason? There is a point that Roddy Anderson plays. He’s not injured and presumably he’s academically eligible.

I don’t know why you don’t understand that the plan is for Roddie to be the starter next year after a year of development. He doesn’t nor does Sean want to burn a redshirt year to be a backup and further complicate the backcourt situation. It’s in no one’s best interest but yours

[MHettel]

I don’t know why you don’t understand that the plan is for Roddie to be the starter next year after a year of development. He doesn’t nor does Sean want to burn a redshirt year to be a backup and further complicate the backcourt situation. It’s in no one’s best interest but yours

I don’t understand why you don’t realize that plans change. Based on your spinning of the tale, Miller has already guaranteed this guy a staring PG job a year from now. That seems reckless given his demonstrated inability to shoot and true range of different things that could occur in the 2 years between the recruiting discussion that led to this “plan” and what will actually happen.

I’m just saying there is no actual inhibitor to Roddy playing this year EXCEPT this so called plan. If it’s agreeable to change the plan then they will do it.

If McKnight went down and Roddy was like “hey coach put me in”, you think Miller would be like “no, we had a plan….” “I’d rather torch this entire season that use one of your years of eligibility.”

It’s just dumb to think that it’s not a possibility. Likely? Probably not.

But you’ve completely ruled it out as a zero probability. I’m just saying it’s not zero. And I’m also saying that if it was previously close to zero then the loss of Green makes it a lot LESS close to zero

[Xville]

I don’t understand why you don’t realize that plans change. Based on your spinning of the tale, Miller has already guaranteed this guy a staring PG job a year from now. That seems reckless given his demonstrated inability to shoot and true range of different things that could occur in the 2 years between the recruiting discussion that led to this “plan” and what will actually happen.

I’m just saying there is no actual inhibitor to Roddy playing this year EXCEPT this so called plan. If it’s agreeable to change the plan then they will do it.

If McKnight went down and Roddy was like “hey coach put me in”, you think Miller would be like “no, we had a plan….” “I’d rather torch this entire season that use one of your years of eligibility.”

It’s just dumb to think that it’s not a possibility. Likely? Probably not.

But you’ve completely ruled it out as a zero probability. I’m just saying it’s not zero. And I’m also saying that if it was previously close to zero then the loss of Green makes it a lot LESS close to zero

Ya know what’s dumb? Hypothesizing what may happen if another one of our starters gets injured. You love to argue for no reason. Bj already told you the plan, I already told you the plan. I dunno why you continue to argue about it, and putting out into the world another starter getting injured is bad juju

[Xavier]

Arguing over if a guy should come off redshirt is weird. Has there been an example of that ever happening at Xavier?


But walk on players getting 50K? I don’t believe that for a second.

[MHettel]

None of this makes sense. We recruit a guy that can’t shoot as the last guy we add from the portal. Low risk. Check

We get to work the guy out for a year and see if he can develop into a BE caliber contributor. Check.

In the meantime, it’s also an insurance policy. We don’t PLAN to need him….but let’s go back to last year when we finished the portal season without a backup plan for Free and Hunter and we had to turn to Europe for some warm bodies. That didn’t work. To say the least.

So the plan with Anderson makes a TON of sense.

Until….

We’ve apparently already given him the starting PG job next year? And we assume his shot will just get straightened out because we have a plan to do so? Why didn’t that plan work with Odom? Or Claude.

We give Anderson 100K to attend the Sean Miller shooting camp for a year and we can’t get any dividends when the situation calls for a cash out? If hes not ready, fine. It was a gamble. But if he can step into a meaningful role on this team and we don’t do it because of some “deal” we made to pay him 100k while watching his team struggle without him.

It makes no sense.

Why not just keep Claude and throw that extra 100k at him. Give him the walk on money too! Just fix his shot! Seems like a 2 foot put.

Again. Anderson was a low risk insurance policy. See it like it is.

You think he’s here next year if he can’t hit a deep jumper? No shot. Ask Odom. Ask Claude.

Hell, ask Boum and Quincy while you’re at it.

[Xavier]

Meh. If a guard can’t hit a jumper I’m not sure how much I’d want him anyways. Hard enough watching defense just sag off Swain. If they can sag off both swain and another guard I’d lose my mind watching that offense

[Xville]

I’ve seen a lot of stupid shit, but arguing about burning a redshirt to be a backup on a team with a backup guard already, something neither coach or player want to do is right at the top of the list

[Xville]

None of this makes sense. We recruit a guy that can’t shoot as the last guy we add from the portal. Low risk. Check

We get to work the guy out for a year and see if he can develop into a BE caliber contributor. Check.

In the meantime, it’s also an insurance policy. We don’t PLAN to need him….but let’s go back to last year when we finished the portal season without a backup plan for Free and Hunter and we had to turn to Europe for some warm bodies. That didn’t work. To say the least.

So the plan with Anderson makes a TON of sense.

Until….

We’ve apparently already given him the starting PG job next year? And we assume his shot will just get straightened out because we have a plan to do so? Why didn’t that plan work with Odom? Or Claude.

We give Anderson 100K to attend the Sean Miller shooting camp for a year and we can’t get any dividends when the situation calls for a cash out? If hes not ready, fine. It was a gamble. But if he can step into a meaningful role on this team and we don’t do it because of some “deal” we made to pay him 100k while watching his team struggle without him.

It makes no sense.

Why not just keep Claude and throw that extra 100k at him. Give him the walk on money too! Just fix his shot! Seems like a 2 foot put.

Again. Anderson was a low risk insurance policy. See it like it is.

You think he’s here next year if he can’t hit a deep jumper? No shot. Ask Odom. Ask Claude.

Hell, ask Boum and Quincy while you’re at it.

For the last effing time that’s not why Claude left. He didn’t leave for money. Get it thru your thick skull.

[Xavier]

Didn’t see it here (but could’ve glossed over it) but on the musketeer report podcast they mention he played 9 games, the cut off to be eligible for medical redshirt is 10. Hinting that it’s possible he’s taking indefinite leave in order to apply for medical redshirt and get this year back, so he’d have 3 more years to play.

[Xville]

Didn’t see it here (but could’ve glossed over it) but on the musketeer report podcast they mention he played 9 games, the cut off to be eligible for medical redshirt is 10. Hinting that it’s possible he’s taking indefinite leave in order to apply for medical redshirt and get this year back, so he’d have 3 more years to play.

So, maybe it is a Kraft situation.

[XUGRAD80]

Didn’t see it here (but could’ve glossed over it) but on the musketeer report podcast they mention he played 9 games, the cut off to be eligible for medical redshirt is 10. Hinting that it’s possible he’s taking indefinite leave in order to apply for medical redshirt and get this year back, so he’d have 3 more years to play.

I’d say that is a very astute observation.

[MHettel]

For the last effing time that’s not why Claude left. He didn’t leave for money. Get it thru your thick skull.

Oh, please fill us all in on the reason he left then.

[Xville]

Oh, please fill us all in on the reason he left then.

Already been over it a million times. If you choose to ignore it, then be my guest, but know that your hypothetical scenario of "just give Claude 100k more" made no sense based on the reason he left.

[MHettel]

I’d say that is a very astute observation.

Wondering a little more about this….

I assume a medical redshirt requires that a player submit some kind of “package” to the NCAA that supports the claim by a medical professional.

Craft could have just taken a “regular” redshirt year because he didn’t play at all. I dont think Green could do that at this point because I think you have to play ZERO minutes.

Will green be on the squad after XMas break? If his plan is to transfer, he might as well just go now….

[MHettel]

Already been over it a million times. If you choose to ignore it, then be my guest, but know that your hypothetical scenario of "just give Claude 100k more" made no sense based on the reason he left.

Sorry, was that supposed to be an answer to the question of why he left? That’s the info I’m looking for.

[Xville]

Sorry, was that supposed to be an answer to the question of why he left? That’s the info I’m looking for.

Already been answered. You were in that conversation. Not going over it again, because then you’ll just argue about why my facts are wrong.

[MHettel]

Already been answered. You were in that conversation. Not going over it again, because then you’ll just argue about why my facts are wrong.

With my key point being that NOBODY would admit that they left for the money. Which doesn’t mean they didn’t leave for the money.

[Xville]

With my key point being that NOBODY would admit that they left for the money. Which doesn’t mean they didn’t leave for the money.

There are facts and The way you feel about something. Which side do you think is correct, because they are different?

[Final4]

Leap of faith? How so? If it was physical unless it’s something really serious, they’d just say what it was.

I dunno why you feel the need to be a complete asshole, but not surprised given the source. You may want to try a different phrase than “leap of faith” considering that makes zero sense based on what I said.

I just don't understand why you have this compulsion to respond to seemingly every post in every thread. In this particular case why say anything at all. Why speculate about the young man's health. Does it add any value? You've heard the expression, he likes to hear himself talk. Well that is apparently you but in written form. You seem to think there is some essential value to what you post here. It's not interesting or informative, it's not clever, it's not particularly well written, it's not humorous........in most cases it's simply sophomoric drivel.

[Xville]

I just don't understand why you have this compulsion to respond to seemingly every post in every thread. In this particular case why say anything at all. Why speculate about the young man's health. Does it add any value? You've heard the expression, he likes to hear himself talk. Well that is apparently you but in written form. You seem to think there is some essential value to what you post here. It's not interesting or informative, it's not clever, it's not particularly well written, it's not humorous........in most cases it's simply sophomoric drivel.

Its a messageboard. A lot of it is banter back and forth. Sorry you have an issue with it, you don't have to read it.

Have you ever added anything valuable or worthwhile on here? The only time you post is to disparage someone or whine about something. Do you think your comment to me was valuable or informative? Why not just private message me if you have such a problem? Wanna look like a big man, huh? You always want to look like such a big shot on here, yet you do nothing to add to the discussion.

A lot of what I post is actually informative. Ive played and been around the game for a very long time and have sources within the Xavier athletic department to boot. I'd also add that based on a lot of the private message and comments I receive on here, your feelings about what I post here is of a tiny minority. So piss off.

One thing I don't need to do, is justify to you what I post, especially coming from someone that whined for weeks on here about a seat change...as if any of that was informative or valuable.

[MHettel]

I just don't understand why you have this compulsion to respond to seemingly every post in every thread. In this particular case why say anything at all. Why speculate about the young man's health. Does it add any value? You've heard the expression, he likes to hear himself talk. Well that is apparently you but in written form. You seem to think there is some essential value to what you post here. It's not interesting or informative, it's not clever, it's not particularly well written, it's not humorous........in most cases it's simply sophomoric drivel.

Don’t discourage him. I like to play fetch with him.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

And so, the odds of us not seeing Green wear the Xavier uniform again are................?

[UCGRAD4X]

With portal and NIL in vogue, what are the chances of anyone wearing the same uniform for a reasonably certain period of time? Before the most recent development, I would have said about 50/50 anyway for Green...just because.

Now? Less than?

Certainly. By how much???

[drudy23]

And so, the odds of us not seeing Green wear the Xavier uniform again are................?

I'd honestly be very surprised he's back in any capacity knowing where he sits on the depth chart with the current team, and with two highly ranked guards coming in next year. I don't see it.

I can't even remember at this point - was Green a Miller or Tin Man recruit?

[nuts4xu]

I dont think Green could do that at this point because I think you have to play ZERO minutes.

Will green be on the squad after XMas break? If his plan is to transfer, he might as well just go now….

As Xavier mentioned above, the max you can play and still qualify for a medical redshirt is 30% of your games.

30% of the season is 10 games.

Trey Green has played in 9. If he plays one more minute in one more game, he won't qualify for a medical redshirt.

I agree with your last statement. If his plan is to redshirt and transfer, I am not sure why he would still be with the team.

[nuts4xu]

So, maybe it is a Kraft situation.

...or a Kam Craft situation.

People still can't get this kid's name right!

[bleedXblue]

As Xavier mentioned above, the max you can play and still qualify for a medical redshirt is 30% of your games.

30% of the season is 10 games.

Trey Green has played in 9. If he plays one more minute in one more game, he won't qualify for a medical redshirt.

I agree with your last statement. If his plan is to redshirt and transfer, I am not sure why he would still be with the team.

Miller is doing him a solid, but at the expense of the team? I guess Green could just leave the program and we would be in the same situation.

[nuts4xu]

Miller is doing him a solid, but at the expense of the team? I guess Green could just leave the program and we would be in the same situation.

Expense of the team? I don't follow.

He is the back up point guard who was losing minutes to Dante Maddox. It's not a role that needs to be replaced.

[Three Point Pete]

Question to the chat: All this considered, is Maddox a better back up than Green?

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[drudy23]

Question to the chat: All this considered, is Maddox a better back up than Green?

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Honestly, probably. Can do more and has a BE body.

[bleedXblue]

Miller is doing him a solid, but at the expense of the team? I guess Green could just leave the program and we would be in the same situation.

I think Green and Maddox have different skill sets. Who would you want in at the end of a game to handle the ball and shoot FT's? Green by a mile.

Yes, Maddox is more versatile and to me is deserving of the majority of PT right now.

Expense of the team meaning we are 1 player and option shorter than we were a week ago. We already aren't a deep team.

[xuwillie]

I think Green and Maddox have different skill sets. Who would you want in at the end of a game to handle the ball and shoot FT's? Green by a mile.

Yes, Maddox is more versatile and to me is deserving of the majority of PT right now.

Expense of the team meaning we are 1 player and option shorter than we were a week ago. We already aren't a deep team.


I like Green more but Maddox has more potential at this point? Neither plays D that well and both take bad shots but Green I is a better ball handler and is more familiar with Seans system.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

It is fair to say that Miller prefers Maddox. I remain a big fan of Green but players need to see the floor to remain sharp and Green's situation may result in a more relaxed and more effective Maddox.

Will be interesting to see if Green is on the bench tomorrow. I was at the game Tues. and noticed Green was not on the floor warming up with the team right before the game. I recorded the game and looked at it this week. According to the television announcers, Green was in attendance at the pre-game shoot around earlier that day; a session for which they described Miller as "spirited". When I looked down at the Xavier bench just prior to the start of the game, Green was seated next to Anderson only, unlike Anderson, he wasn't in uniform. So, perhaps something occurred at the shoot around or shortly thereafter that prompted Green's decision not to play.

I think I recall that Craft was in uniform and on the bench for at least a few games after his decision to redshirt. At some point, he disappeared completely. I'll be watching (or in my case, listening) to see if Green is on the bench tomorrow. If not, it seems fair to conclude he's gone. But, even if he is present, I cannot conclude anything about his intentions going forward.

Green's situation does bring attention to the whole idea of depth. We started the year trumpeting our depth. We had ten guys. We were deep. Then, Traore went down and nine were left. As much as we all like the idea of depth, it is hard to find minutes for even that many guys. When they do get into the game, players coming off the bench seem to want to make something happen right away. I wonder if that led to forced shots by Maddox and Green early on. It is difficult, under normal circumstances, to make even a nine-man rotation work and now we are at a point where Green has seemingly dropped out, I assume for lack of playing time. I don't know that, but it seems like a reasonable deduction today.

I hate to see it but, in the end, we may play better as a team. We certainly need to play way better as a team.

[MHettel]

Let’s shift the discussion to the rotation going into conference play.

Assume same starters: McKnight, Conwell, Foster, Swain, Free

Capable bench guys at this point are: Maddux, Hunter

Useless bench guys are: Hugley

Unknown: Fletcher

Let’s start with the unknown. Can Fletcher play at this level right now? He looked amazing….against the bench players on an AWFUL Morgan State team. Can he give us quality BE minutes? If so, he’s a frontcourt rotation guy for sure and Hunter can play a little 3 when we want to go big.

If not, then Hunter is really our only option at the 4 / 5. Hugley has been awful. This about how small we will be when we run Hunter and Swain out there in the frontcourt.

In the event that Fletcher can’t contribute, and Hunter is putting in most of his minutes up front, that leaves us with 4 guys to cover PG, SG, & SF. If you split that up precisely, it’s 30 minutes per guy per game with 10 of those minutes where we don’t have a true PG out there. We may have to ask McK to play 35 plus minutes a night and hope the uptempo pace doesn’t wear him down.

Back to Hugley. He’s worse than Ciani or Obou was. He has stone hands, is clumsy as hell and doesn’t seem to know where the rim is when he shoots. I have no idea how that guy put up 15/8 in the ACC as a soph. He’s useless. Love to see him figure it out but the odds are LOOOONG!

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Let’s shift the discussion to the rotation going into conference play.

Assume same starters: McKnight, Conwell, Foster, Swain, Free

Capable bench guys at this point are: Maddux, Hunter

Useless bench guys are: Hugley

Unknown: Fletcher

Let’s start with the unknown. Can Fletcher play at this level right now? He looked amazing….against the bench players on an AWFUL Morgan State team. Can he give us quality BE minutes? If so, he’s a frontcourt rotation guy for sure and Hunter can play a little 3 when we want to go big.

If not, then Hunter is really our only option at the 4 / 5. Hugley has been awful. This about how small we will be when we run Hunter and Swain out there in the frontcourt.

In the event that Fletcher can’t contribute, and Hunter is putting in most of his minutes up front, that leaves us with 4 guys to cover PG, SG, & SF. If you split that up precisely, it’s 30 minutes per guy per game with 10 of those minutes where we don’t have a true PG out there. We may have to ask McK to play 35 plus minutes a night and hope the uptempo pace doesn’t wear him down.

Back to Hugley. He’s worse than Ciani or Obou was. He has stone hands, is clumsy as hell and doesn’t seem to know where the rim is when he shoots. I have no idea how that guy put up 15/8 in the ACC as a soph. He’s useless. Love to see him figure it out but the odds are LOOOONG!

I share your difficulty in assessing Hugely's past success. I laughed at the comment from another poster, after the Morgan State game, that Hugely might see two rims when he shoots. He looked awful at times. Easy bunnies against much smaller players, time after time, with no success.

That said, he isn't, in my opinion, worse than Ciani or Abou. For one thing, I've seen him pass the ball. Secondly, I saw him make a three and understand that capability is part of his skill set. He also sets down-low screens pretty well for the benefit of Hunter and Free and, watching him during the game, one can tell he knows how to post up. Hugely has a better low post skill set than either Ciani or Abou. But, to your point, he hasn't played well when he's had the opportunity. I think he is still too heavy although I've seen comments from posters who think he isn't heavy enough. Hell, I don't know the answer to that.

If he is our worst option off the bench, it is a bit ironic that he benefited the most from the injury to Traore.