Vacation Gatekeepers

[94GRAD]

I guess we're at the point in the offseason where fans feel obligated to tell the Head Coach he shouldn't take some time off. JFC!!!

[MHettel]

I guess we're at the point in the offseason where fans feel obligated to tell the Head Coach he shouldn't take some time off. JFC!!!

This gets its own thread?

[94GRAD]

This gets its own thread?

Is there a monthly limit of Threads I'm/we're allowed to start?

[xuphan]

I guess we're at the point in the offseason where fans feel obligated to tell the Head Coach he shouldn't take some time off. JFC!!!

Fans are telling Miller he shouldn’t take time off? Who said that? Do you mean fans don’t think it is a good idea for the head coach to take a vacation in the middle of the transfer portal? I think one poster summed it up perfectly with would you expect the GM of the Bengals to go on Vacation a couple weeks before the draft? No one said Miller shouldn’t take time off. People are saying he shouldn’t be on vacation during a critical transfer portal for the program. Big difference.

[drudy23]

Same as the "you can't smile during a loss" guy.

[94GRAD]

Fans are telling Miller he shouldn’t take time off? Who said that? Do you mean fans don’t think it is a good idea for the head coach to take a vacation in the middle of the transfer portal? I think one poster summed it up perfectly with would you expect the GM of the Bengals to go on Vacation a couple weeks before the draft? No one said Miller shouldn’t take time off. People are saying he shouldn’t be on vacation during a critical transfer portal for the program. Big difference.

And I'm saying the fans have no idea what Sean has done leading up to this transfer portal recruiting dead period to make sure it's the PERFECT time to go on vacation.

[xuphan]

And I'm saying the fans have no idea what Sean has done leading up to this transfer portal recruiting dead period to make sure it's the PERFECT time to go on vacation.

Please enlighten us “fans” as to how Miller has made it a “PERFECT time” as you say to take a vacation during the transfer portal? Did I miss some commitments from a couple of impact Bigs that will helps us compete again in the Big East? IÂ’ll check verbal commits to see who they are. ThatÂ’s exciting news! Thanks for sharing

[MHettel]

A wise man once said “how can you have any pudding if you don’t eat your meat?”

Next years success will be determined in the next 30 days.

That is all.

[xuphan]

A wise man once said “how can you have any pudding if you don’t eat your meat?”

Next years success will be determined in the next 30 days.

That is all.

Was he the same wise man who said, “work before play”?

[94GRAD]

Please enlighten us “fans” as to how Miller has made it a “PERFECT time” as you say to take a vacation during the transfer portal? Did I miss some commitments from a couple of impact Bigs that will helps us compete again in the Big East? IÂ’ll check verbal commits to see who they are. ThatÂ’s exciting news! Thanks for sharing

It's currently a dead period meaning you can't have anyone on campus or see them in person. If you're telling me he can only send texts/emails or take/make Facetime calls while in Cincinnati and not on a beach somewhere, I don't know what to tell you.

[MHettel]

It's currently a dead period meaning you can't have anyone on campus or see them in person. If you're telling me he can only send texts/emails or take/make Facetime calls while in Cincinnati and not on a beach somewhere, I don't know what to tell you.

I think being in a room with the staff is invaluable.

I’m sure they research and make a few calls on nearly every big that hits the portal. If WE are interested, then some calls need to be made to gauge mutual interests.

Then, conditional situations are developed. Say the #1 center target can shoot threes but isn’t much of a rim defender. Then deep shooting is less of a priority for your other big, but you do need to focus on rim protection. Then your #1 guy commits elsewhere and the next guy has a slightly different skill set and therefore the needed skill sets of players around them will be a little different.

By my thinking you need the following positions filled (barring any additional guys entering the portal).
- starting SG
- starting C
- backup C

This assumes Free and Hunter will be available. Which I think is probably an 80% proposition. So let’s add another back 4 to the mix.

Skill wise we need shooting. Like ALOT of shooting, which is a MUST for SG and we need a stretch big as well. We also need Big East level rebounding and rim protection.

We also need some youth. We can’t just bring in 5th or 4th year guys that only have 1 year left. We need a guy like…Kachi Nzeh who can play a rotational role and develop into a started down the road.

There are HUNDREDS of players but the key is to get the right mix of guys. Stanford and Pepperdine both have 3 players in the top 25 in the portal yet those teams both absolutely sucked last year. They might be great individual players but together it didn’t work.

That’s what the staff should be doing. Until the job is done

[xuphan]

It's currently a dead period meaning you can't have anyone on campus or see them in person. If you're telling me he can only send texts/emails or take/make Facetime calls while in Cincinnati and not on a beach somewhere, I don't know what to tell you.

We know it is a dead period. That point has been repeated several times. There are also multiple dead periods within a calendar window. Is this the best time to take a vacation in the middle of a critical transfer portal window coming off the worst season in recent history with a depleted roster? Ya, thatÂ’s not a good look. Would the best time to take a vacation be from May 16-24 when the transfer portal is closed and you have restocked the roster full of impact guys who can get this program competing again at the top of the Big East? The answer is yes.

[94GRAD]

We know it is a dead period. That point has been repeated several times. There are also multiple dead periods within a calendar window. Is this the best time to take a vacation in the middle of a critical transfer portal window coming off the worst season in recent history with a depleted roster? Ya, thatÂ’s not a good look. Would the best time to take a vacation be from May 16-24 when the transfer portal is closed and you have restocked the roster full of impact guys who can get this program competing again at the top of the Big East? The answer is yes.

The last day to enter the Portal is May 1st. That doesn't mean they have to decide what school they are going to by May 1st!!!! That dead period is no different than this one. It's absolutely better to go on vacation now because not everyone has put their name in said Portal.

[MHettel]

The last day to enter the Portal is May 1st. That doesn't mean they have to decide what school they are going to by May 1st!!!! That dead period is no different than this one. It's absolutely better to go on vacation now because not everyone has put their name in said Portal.

No, it’s best to go on vacation when the job is done.

[94GRAD]

No, it’s best to go on vacation when the job is done.

But the job is never done. Do you want him to leave in the summer when all the new players get on campus?

[Xville]

The last day to enter the Portal is May 1st. That doesn't mean they have to decide what school they are going to by May 1st!!!! That dead period is no different than this one. It's absolutely better to go on vacation now because not everyone has put their name in said Portal.

Yeah said the same thing in the other thread. Fell on deaf ears. Some people just like to hear/see themselves bitch

“ when the job is done” lol as if in high d1 ball the job is ever done. That’s hysterical.

[xuphan]

The last day to enter the Portal is May 1st. That doesn't mean they have to decide what school they are going to by May 1st!!!! That dead period is no different than this one. It's absolutely better to go on vacation now because not everyone has put their name in said Portal.

It’s better to get the vacation out of the way first before fixing the depleted roster. Got it! I guess as well based on your comment that the coaching staff should wait to bring anyone in until May 1st so they know everyone who will be available. Sounds like a great plan to get this program back competitive in the Big East.

[94GRAD]

It’s better to get the vacation out of the way first before fixing the depleted roster. Got it! I guess as well based on your comment that the coaching staff should wait to bring anyone in until May 1st so they know everyone who will be available. Sounds like a great plan to get this program back competitive in the Big East.

AGAIN, the coaches know the best time to take vacation, NOT YOU!!!!! When was the last time you recruited any basketball players from the portal? This is what they do for a living yet you and MHett are talking like you've been doing this all your life. It's mind-boggling.

[XUBison]

I thought this was not allowed anymore, but here it is— an entire thread dedicated to defending one of these jerk-off millionaire coaches. It’s so hard to keep up with the rules nowadays.

[xuphan]

AGAIN, the coaches know the best time to take vacation, NOT YOU!!!!! When was the last time you recruited any basketball players from the portal? This is what they do for a living yet you and MHett are talking like you've been doing this all your life. It's mind-boggling.

Let me get this straight. So based on your comment, every coach at every program knows what’s best because they do it for a living? Did I read that right? If that is the case, shame on all of you including myself who ever question Steele or wanted him to be fired. Steele knew what was best. He knew what he was doing all along because they do it for a living. NOT YOU!!!!! Never question anyone because they do it for a living. Thanks for the laugh 94GRAD.

[Xville]

It’s really something when there are supposed fans of the program questioning when a coach should take a vacation that has been there done that for twenty something years with a lot of success. And you wonder why I get personal with some of you. There are so many ignorant comments lately on this board from one bad season mostly from people that are too cheap to even spend 12.50 that gives you a platform to do said bitching.

[xuphan]

It’s really something when there are supposed fans of the program questioning when a coach should take a vacation that has been there done that for twenty something years with a lot of success. And you wonder why I get personal with some of you. There are so many ignorant comments lately on this board from one bad season mostly from people that are too cheap to even spend 12.50 that gives you a platform to do said bitching.

You know the argument is over when the whole, “you’re too cheap to pay for this website” comments start coming out from members as a rebuttal. You do know you have the X lounge you can chat in if we “peasants” don’t agree with your opinions. Fans have every right to question the coach. Just like Matta, Mack, Steele and Miller. I will praise them when they do well and question them when they don’t. That’s how I roll as a fan. Miller isn’t infallible no matter how many years of experience he has.

[Xville]

You know the argument is over when the whole, “you’re too cheap to pay for this website” comments start coming out from members as a rebuttal. You do know you have the X lounge you can chat in if we “peasants” don’t agree with your opinions. Fans have every right to question the coach. Just like Matta, Mack, Steele and Miller. I will praise them when they do well and question them when they don’t. That’s how I roll as a fan. Miller isn’t infallible no matter how many years of experience he has.

So, you are too cheap to pay 12.50? Or why do you continue to post on this board day after day and yet feel like you don’t owe anyone anything? You’re right the argument is over. Checkmate. You do realize it takes money to run this platform… from the same people you whined to this morning because of a comment I made that apparently offended you?

Btw you are allowed to have any stupid opinion you have. Never said you couldn’t. However grow a pair when someone calls said stupid opinion out.

[xu82]

I think I can settle this. If you are willing to chip in for my travel expenses, I’ll go to Aruba and check in on him. I’ll be sure he’s not having too much fun. It’s going to run more than $12.50, however.

Odd little side note, my brother-in-law drowned in Aruba a couple weeks ago. He’s in his 70’s with health issues and went into the pool alone. Some guy pulled him off the bottom of the 4 foot section and there was an ER nurse by the pool. She got him breathing again and he spent the last few days of his vacation in the hospital. We argue about some pretty silly stuff sometimes.

[Thor in 204]

Are we sure he’s not in Europe or Australia recruiting?

[94GRAD]

Let me get this straight. So based on your comment, every coach at every program knows what’s best because they do it for a living? Did I read that right? If that is the case, shame on all of you including myself who ever question Steele or wanted him to be fired. Steele knew what was best. He knew what he was doing all along because they do it for a living. NOT YOU!!!!! Never question anyone because they do it for a living. Thanks for the laugh 94GRAD.
They ABSOLUTELY know when it's best for them to go on vacation! That's the point you're not getting. Have a great night, I'm tired of beating my against a wall that you know better than Sean when he should go on vacation

[MHettel]

I’m starting to think that Miller tanked this season so he could keep those Aruba vacation plans instead of having to coach in those pesky Final Four games.

[xuphan]

So, you are too cheap to pay 12.50? Or why do you continue to post on this board day after day and yet feel like you donÂ’t owe anyone anything? YouÂ’re right the argument is over. Checkmate. You do realize it takes money to run this platformÂ… from the same people you whined to this morning because of a comment I made that apparently offended you?

Btw you are allowed to have any stupid opinion you have. Never said you couldnÂ’t. However grow a pair when someone calls said stupid opinion out.

Then charge people to use the site! Very strange that you change the subject from Miller portal vacation to paying money to this site?

Also, you have no idea who most of the people who use this site are. Telling people you donÂ’t know to pop Ritalin pills is not acceptable and dangerous. Criticism is fine but that crossed the line whether you were being serious or not.

[xuphan]

They ABSOLUTELY know when it's best for them to go on vacation! That's the point you're not getting. Have a great night, I'm tired of beating my against a wall that you know better than Sean when he should go on vacation

I already shared my point. We should have trusted Steele all along right since he coaches for a living? Have a good weekend!

[Xavier]

Then charge people to use the site! Very strange that you change the subject from Miller portal vacation to paying money to this site?

Also, you have no idea who most of the people who use this site are. Telling people you donÂ’t know to pop Ritalin pills is not acceptable and dangerous. Criticism is fine but that crossed the line whether you were being serious or not.

You’ve lost your damn mind. It’s a message board, take a deep breath and relax.

[Xavier]

. Just like Matta, Mack, Steele and Miller. I will praise them when they do well and question them when they don’t. That’s how I roll as a fan. Miller isn’t infallible no matter how many years of experience he has.

I haven’t seen you praise Sean for coaching one of the best seasons X has ever had his first year back despite losing its 2nd best player in January. Was awesome, even moreso after the Steele years.

[xuphan]

I havenÂ’t seen you praise Sean for coaching one of the best seasons X has ever had his first year back despite losing its 2nd best player in January. Was awesome, even moreso after the Steele years.

I have praised Miller quite a bit. Boum was a great addition to a very talented roster he inherited. Steele just wasnÂ’t a good in game coach and couldnÂ’t maximize the talent. Loved the Q signing and think Swain will be a really good player for us when it is all said and done. However, Miller for as good of a coach that he is does make mistakes and it is ok to call him out on them. Last year he totally whiffed on bringing in a starting center and we paid the price for it. Injuries or not he did not bring in a starting center. I just donÂ’t get why people think Miller is a perfect coach who does no wrong. He is a really good coach but he does make mistakes.

[Xavier]

Fair enough! Obviously he makes mistakes. He is on vacation for goodness sake! (Kidding). I also don’t care if fans don’t like Sean. It just bothers me when they don’t give him credit for elevating the program his first time here and then what he did last year. There has not been a more Successful Xavier coach (all around career) than Sean. You certainly can make the argument (and I do) that Mack’s tenure at X has been better. I expect Sean to change that eventually.

[xuphan]

Fair enough! Obviously he makes mistakes. He is on vacation for goodness sake! (Kidding). I also don’t care if fans don’t like Sean. It just bothers me when they don’t give him credit for elevating the program his first time here and then what he did last year. There has not been a more Successful Xavier coach (all around career) than Sean. You certainly can make the argument (and I do) that Mack’s tenure at X has been better. I expect Sean to change that eventually.

I think most fans would be foolish to not be happy with having Miller as head coach. At the end of the day he went on vacation whether we agree on the timing or not. Hopefully he brings in the impact transfers we need to rebuild our roster to reach our expectations of the program.

[kane79]

I think most fans would be foolish to not be happy with having Miller as head coach. At the end of the day he went on vacation whether I agree on the timing or not. Hopefully he brings in the impact transfers we need to rebuild our roster to reach our expectations of the program.

fixed it for you

[Xville]

Then charge people to use the site! Very strange that you change the subject from Miller portal vacation to paying money to this site?

Also, you have no idea who most of the people who use this site are. Telling people you donÂ’t know to pop Ritalin pills is not acceptable and dangerous. Criticism is fine but that crossed the line whether you were being serious or not.

Very strange you change the subject while someone asks the question if you are too cheap to pay 12.50 for the site you use extremely often. I changed the subject because it’s one of the dumbest gripes I have ever seen on this board. If you’re gonna make dumb gripes, at least pay for the platform that allows you to do it.

As far as Ritalin, get a freaking grip. This is a message board. Your problem, not mine.

[paulxu]

I didn't realize the NFL had a dead period before the draft.

[X-band '01]

I think another irony here is that people would have been begging Miller to hide in Aruba in previous years when his name was on just about every major college coaching search. Typically all the head coaches would be at the NABC Convention at the Final Four - which would be in Phoenix/Glendale this year.

[XUBison]

The optics are bad. Whether you think they should be or not, they just are. Sean knows that.

[xuphan]

Very strange you change the subject while someone asks the question if you are too cheap to pay 12.50 for the site you use extremely often. I changed the subject because it’s one of the dumbest gripes I have ever seen on this board. If you’re gonna make dumb gripes, at least pay for the platform that allows you to do it.

As far as Ritalin, get a freaking grip. This is a message board. Your problem, not mine.

I’ve tried to be respectful to you but there doesn’t seem to be a point. Maybe Lou was right about you after all.

[xuphan]

I think another irony here is that people would have been begging Miller to hide in Aruba in previous years when his name was on just about every major college coaching search. Typically all the head coaches would be at the NABC Convention at the Final Four - which would be in Phoenix/Glendale this year.

Sean isn’t viewed very highly by fans around the country after what went down at Arizona. That viewpoint is perfectly fine with me and I hope that viewpoint continues for a very long time so Miller stays at X.

[drudy23]

You all realize he has a staff that does the lionshare of the recruiting right?

Not sure people understand how much his staff actually takes care of. He's a CEO, not a worker bee.

He's not allowed to do a podcast, he's not allowed to go on vacation - what's next? No smiling until a Final Four?

[94GRAD]

I didn't realize the NFL had a dead period before the draft.

Public reps since the man is keeping me down!

[94GRAD]

You all realize he has a staff that does the lionshare of the recruiting right?

Not sure people understand how much his staff actually takes care of. He's a CEO, not a worker bee.

He's not allowed to do a podcast, he's not allowed to go on vacation - what's next? No smiling until a Final Four?

Thank you!

[XUGRAD80]

You all realize he has a staff that does the lionshare of the recruiting right?

Not sure people understand how much his staff actually takes care of. He's a CEO, not a worker bee.

He's not allowed to do a podcast, he's not allowed to go on vacation - what's next? No smiling until a Final Four?

Bingo! Not to mention that for all we know he just took a couple of days off and not an extended amount of time. This is one of the most stupid discussions, on a board filled with stupid discussions, that I’ve read here. Do people really expect him to work 24/7/365? Jeez, cut him a break. He deserves time off, he has earned it, and he probably NEEDS it more than any of us can fathom. He’s about to go into a period where he will be working on recruiting 24/7 for days and days, as the High School signing period will overlap the Transfer portal entry period closing. Hopefully he comes back recharged and ready to go. Better to get I’d done now IMO.

[Xville]

Bingo! Not to mention that for all we know he just took a couple of days off and not an extended amount of time. This is one of the most stupid discussions, on a board filled with stupid discussions, that I’ve read here. Do people really expect him to work 24/7/365? Jeez, cut him a break. He deserves time off, he has earned it, and he probably NEEDS it more than any of us can fathom. He’s about to go into a period where he will be working on recruiting 24/7 for days and days, as the High School signing period will overlap the Transfer portal entry period closing. Hopefully he comes back recharged and ready to go. Better to get I’d done now IMO.

Amen and public reps

[xuphan]

Bingo! Not to mention that for all we know he just took a couple of days off and not an extended amount of time. This is one of the most stupid discussions, on a board filled with stupid discussions, that I’ve read here. Do people really expect him to work 24/7/365? Jeez, cut him a break. He deserves time off, he has earned it, and he probably NEEDS it more than any of us can fathom. He’s about to go into a period where he will be working on recruiting 24/7 for days and days, as the High School signing period will overlap the Transfer portal entry period closing. Hopefully he comes back recharged and ready to go. Better to get I’d done now IMO.

You call it a stupid discussion and then say something completely untrue. No one has said for him to not take any time off. Who said that? Do you have a quote saying that? I never said that. I said it is a bad look to be on vacation in the middle of the transfer portal with a depleted roster. That was the whole point. There are plenty of other opportunities for him to take a much needed vacation. Like May 14-26 during the next dead period after hopefully bringing in multiple big time transfers in to the roster.

I have no problem with people on here to disagree with this. That’s totally fine but to make stuff up isn’t really proving your point.

[XU_Lou]

You call it a stupid discussion and then say something completely untrue. No one has said for him to not take any time off. Who said that? Do you have a quote saying that? I never said that. I said it is a bad look to be on vacation in the middle of the transfer portal with a depleted roster. That was the whole point. There are plenty of other opportunities for him to take a much needed vacation. Like May 14-26 during the next dead period after hopefully bringing in multiple big time transfers in to the roster.

I have no problem with people on here to disagree with this. That’s totally fine but to make stuff up isn’t really proving your point.

Okay, I'll bite...

Really, what's the difference between:

"No one has said for him to not take any time off."

and

"I said it is a bad look to be on vacation in the middle of the transfer portal with a depleted roster."

Dude, the horse is dead - D-E-A-D. Time to wave the white flag for the sake of all that is good in this world!

[xuphan]

Okay, I'll bite...

Really, what's the difference between:

"No one has said for him to not take any time off."

and

"I said it is a bad look to be on vacation in the middle of the transfer portal with a depleted roster."

Dude, the horse is dead - D-E-A-D. Time to wave the white flag for the sake of all that is good in this world!

ItÂ’s D-E-A-D but IÂ’m going to bring it up again. Maybe try not to bite something you think is D-E-A-D. I donÂ’t get why some of you get all bent out of shape about this discussion and then want to continue to discuss it.

So since you want to bring this discussion back to life for some reason, the difference if you read his response is that he doesnÂ’t understand why fans think Miller has to work 24/7/365 days a week and never take a day off. That wasnÂ’t true. I said it is a bad look to take a vacation during the transfer portal coming off the worst season in recent memory and having a depleted roster. Again, there is a dead period in the middle/end of May that would be a far better time after he fixes the roster.

[94GRAD]

ItÂ’s D-E-A-D but IÂ’m going to bring it up again. Maybe try not to bite something you think is D-E-A-D. I donÂ’t get why some of you get all bent out of shape about this discussion and then want to continue to discuss it.

So since you want to bring this discussion back to life for some reason, the difference if you read his response is that he doesnÂ’t understand why fans think Miller has to work 24/7/365 days a week and never take a day off. That wasnÂ’t true. I said it is a bad look to take a vacation during the transfer portal coming off the worst season in recent memory and having a depleted roster. Again, there is a dead period in the middle/end of May that would be a far better time after he fixes the roster.

AGAIN, that is a worse time because you'll have the complete list of players who have entered the portal as opposed to the incomplete list now! Do you not understand this?????

[xuphan]

AGAIN, that is a worse time because you'll have the complete list of players who have entered the portal as opposed to the incomplete list now! Do you not understand this?????

Wow, not sure how to respond to this comment. You are so right. Hopefully Miller takes this advice and doesn’t accept any commitments until after May 1st so that he knows exactly who all will be in the portal. Even though most will have already committed elsewhere.

This post takes the cake. Thanks for the laugh and God Bless!

[Xville]

Wow, not sure how to respond to this comment. You are so right. Hopefully Miller takes this advice and doesn’t accept any commitments until after May 1st so that he knows exactly who all will be in the portal. Even though most will have already committed elsewhere.

This post takes the cake. Thanks for the laugh and God Bless!

You: “ I don’t care if people disagree with me on this. That’s fine.”

Also you: continue to insult every differing opinion of yours on this subject.

[xuphan]

You: “ I don’t care if people disagree with me on this. That’s fine.”

Also you: continue to insult every differing opinion of yours on this subject.

I thought this was a stupid handwringing circles comment yet you continue to drag it out? Difference of opinion is fine but when you attack me I will attack you back. Hopefully you guys get out and enjoy this beautiful day today. God Bless!

[XUGRAD80]

You call it a stupid discussion and then say something completely untrue. No one has said for him to not take any time off. Who said that? Do you have a quote saying that? I never said that. I said it is a bad look to be on vacation in the middle of the transfer portal with a depleted roster. That was the whole point. There are plenty of other opportunities for him to take a much needed vacation. Like May 14-26 during the next dead period after hopefully bringing in multiple big time transfers in to the roster.

I have no problem with people on here to disagree with this. That’s totally fine but to make stuff up isn’t really proving your point.

You need to really tell what what you mean by a bad “look”. And if you can explain that to me, then also explain why it’s important….and to whom?

Fans? Other coaches? His bosses? Recruits? Who? I would quess that like any other employee he had to clear his vacation time with this boss, so it can’t be that one, right? The fans? You can forget that one because every coach knows that they can’t please every fan and would be a fool to try. Other coaches? Doesn’t really matter what coaches at other schools think, and I’m sure that his assistant coaches also get vacation time sue ing the off-season. Recruits? Remember this is a dead period when he can’t host them or visit them. I doubt that they would even care, if they even knew, that he was t in the office right now.

So HOW is it a “bad look”? What is it telling you? That he doesn’t care? That he isn’t organized? That he doesn’t know what he’s doing? What?

I’m not saying it’s a good look or a bad look. I’m saying that it isn’t any kind of “look” at all, and that he taking a few days off now won’t affect how Xavier does in recruiting transfers at all.

As for your comment on my reputation….i could give a flying f about what I write being a bad look to you. As far as I’m concerned you’re just an imaginary Internet person who doesn’t exist except on a message board. Nothing you could comment can possibly have any effect on my life in even the minutest way. I just have to laugh at people that take this seriously enough to make negative reputation comments or take comments made there seriously.

[xuphan]

You need to really tell what what you mean by a bad “look”. And if you can explain that to me, then also explain why it’s important….and to whom?

Fans? Other coaches? His bosses? Recruits? Who? I would quess that like any other employee he had to clear his vacation time with this boss, so it canÂ’t be that one, right? The fans? You can forget that one because every coach knows that they canÂ’t please every fan and would be a fool to try. Other coaches? DoesnÂ’t really matter what coaches at other schools think, and IÂ’m sure that his assistant coaches also get vacation time sue ing the off-season. Recruits? Remember this is a dead period when he canÂ’t host them or visit them. I doubt that they would even care, if they even knew, that he was t in the office right now.

So HOW is it a “bad look”? What is it telling you? That he doesn’t care? That he isn’t organized? That he doesn’t know what he’s doing? What?

I’m not saying it’s a good look or a bad look. I’m saying that it isn’t any kind of “look” at all, and that he taking a few days off now won’t affect how Xavier does in recruiting transfers at all.

As for your comment on my reputationÂ….i could give a flying f about what I write being a bad look to you. As far as IÂ’m concerned youÂ’re just an imaginary Internet person who doesnÂ’t exist except on a message board. Nothing you could comment can possibly have any effect on my life in even the minutest way. I just have to laugh at people that take this seriously enough to make negative reputation comments or take comments made there seriously.

I will try to explain this one more time. My original point was it was a bad look for Miller to be on vacation during the middle of the transfer window. Why is it a “bad look”? It is a bad look because fans, donors, etc. are seeing that their multi-million dollar paid head coach who lead arguably the worst Xavier team in recent memory last season with a current roster that has been gutted leave the country on vacation. Now if it were this time last season coming off a successful campaign and making the NCAA tournament, there would be no argument about this vacation. However, the state of the program is not very good at the moment and he should as CEO of said program be around until it is fixed. Like any other job out there.
Also, if you donÂ’t want a negative reputation comment. DonÂ’t make up fake information that someone never said to make a point.

[xu82]

As an adult, I feel like he should be fine taking a few days off, unless he’s on Double Secret Probation of course. I don’t think that is the case, but then, how would I know???

[94GRAD]

I will try to explain this one more time. My original point was it was a bad look for Miller to be on vacation during the middle of the transfer window. Why is it a “bad look”? It is a bad look because fans, donors, etc. are seeing that their multi-million dollar paid head coach who lead arguably the worst Xavier team in recent memory last season with a current roster that has been gutted leave the country on vacation. Now if it were this time last season coming off a successful campaign and making the NCAA tournament, there would be no argument about this vacation. However, the state of the program is not very good at the moment and he should as CEO of said program be around until it is fixed. Like any other job out there.
Also, if you donÂ’t want a negative reputation comment. DonÂ’t make up fake information that someone never said to make a point.

You're definitely not a donor to the program since you refuse to donate $12.50 to this site.

[xuphan]

You're definitely not a donor to the program since you refuse to donate $12.50 to this site.

Haha, I knew the whole 12.50 solicitation would come from you sooner or later. No thanks. Not interested in the X lounge.

[xuphan]

As an adult, I feel like he should be fine taking a few days off, unless he’s on Double Secret Probation of course. I don’t think that is the case, but then, how would I know???

Totally agree. Miller should take a nice long vacation to rest up for next season. Just don’t think in the middle of the transfer portal with no healthy front court players on the roster is the best time to take a vacation. Especially coming off the worst season in recent memory. Maybe take care of business first and then enjoy a nice relaxing vacation. Just a thought. Not sure why people are taking this as Miller should never be given a few days off and/or a vacation. No one said that.

[94GRAD]

Haha, I knew the whole 12.50 solicitation would come from you sooner or later. No thanks. Not interested in the X lounge.

It has NOTHING to do with the X lounge, but with helping defer the cost of keeping the site running. You're a true Democrat who suckles from the teet of us that keep this site running.

[xuphan]

It has NOTHING to do with the X lounge, but with helping defer the cost of keeping the site running. You're a true Democrat who suckles from the teet of us that keep this site running.

Do you really think the best way to get people to donate to this site is to insult them? Not the best marketing strategy.

[94GRAD]

Do you really think the best way to get people to donate to this site is to insult them? Not the best marketing strategy.

You're never going to donate so I'm not worried about it. You are a grifter!!!

[xuphan]

You're never going to donate so I'm not worried about it. You are a grifter!!!

Not after being solicited and insulted by members of this site. No thanks. Enjoy the X Lounge.

[XUGRAD80]

I will try to explain this one more time. My original point was it was a bad look for Miller to be on vacation during the middle of the transfer window. Why is it a “bad look”? It is a bad look because fans, donors, etc. are seeing that their multi-million dollar paid head coach who lead arguably the worst Xavier team in recent memory last season with a current roster that has been gutted leave the country on vacation. Now if it were this time last season coming off a successful campaign and making the NCAA tournament, there would be no argument about this vacation. However, the state of the program is not very good at the moment and he should as CEO of said program be around until it is fixed. Like any other job out there.
Also, if you donÂ’t want a negative reputation comment. DonÂ’t make up fake information that someone never said to make a point.


Well I’m a fan and a donor and I don’t see anything wrong with it at all.

Bottom line is that neither I, nor anyone else on this site, is someone that Sean Miller has to explain his use of vacation time to. He only has to do that to his boss. NONE of us, least of all you or me, knows where the program stands in relation to its likelihood to land any transfers that he might want. NONE of us know where he is, or what he is doing in that regard. NONE of us are people he has to answer to. Your OPINIONS on how his actions look to YOU really don’t matter, no matter how often or how many times you repeat them. I disagree with your OPINION about HOW it looks, and furthermore I think that how it looks to fans and donors is not even important. But that’s just MY opinion.

By the way, I didn’t say I was annoyed about getting a neg. rep comment. I said that it’s a joke to take negative or positive reps as something that even mattered. I can’t believe that you’d actually take the time and effort to even make a comment when doing it. You probably count how many “likes” you get on Facebook posts too, as if that mattered either.

[paulxu]

Bumped from another thread:


People on this board who have posted hundreds and hundreds of times, and bitch and moan about other people, yet are too cheap to cough up a measly $12.50 a year to help Muskie defray the cost of hosting this site for us all.

I almost convinced none of them actually went to Xavier and just whine on this board for free. Reminds me of a similar political network.

Perhaps they're really Dayton fans.

[xu82]

Well I’m a fan and a donor and I don’t see anything wrong with it at all.

Bottom line is that neither I, nor anyone else on this site, is someone that Sean Miller has to explain his use of vacation time to. He only has to do that to his boss. NONE of us, least of all you or me, knows where the program stands in relation to its likelihood to land any transfers that he might want. NONE of us know where he is, or what he is doing in that regard. NONE of us are people he has to answer to. Your OPINIONS on how his actions look to YOU really don’t matter, no matter how often or how many times you repeat them.

Well said!

My wife’s division came up well short of goal in the first quarter. We just booked a week in Hilton Head. The work gets done. Relax about things you know nothing about.

[xuphan]

Bumped from another thread:



Perhaps they're really Dayton fans.

Another member of this site insulting others by calling them Dayton fans for not becoming members. No wonder people don’t want to become members after being treated like this. Maybe the X Lounge members instead of bashing people can think of ways to help this site make money. Like putting advertisements on the site. Better incentive for members of the site. Maybe encourage people to become members instead of attacking them. Still can’t believe a member called non members Dayton fans. Wow!

[94GRAD]

Another member of this site insulting others by calling them Dayton fans for not becoming members. No wonder people don’t want to become members after being treated like this. Maybe the X Lounge members instead of bashing people can think of ways to help this site make money. Like putting advertisements on the site. Better incentive for members of the site. Maybe encourage people to become members instead of attacking them. Still can’t believe a member called non members Dayton fans. Wow!

You have made it abundantly clear over the last couple of years that you were never going to become a member. Your tears are falling on deaf ears.

[xuphan]

You have made it abundantly clear over the last couple of years that you were never going to become a member. Your tears are falling on deaf ears.

I can’t blame anyone for not becoming a member after the insults directed to them by current members.

[Xville]

Another member of this site insulting others by calling them Dayton fans for not becoming members. No wonder people don’t want to become members after being treated like this. Maybe the X Lounge members instead of bashing people can think of ways to help this site make money. Like putting advertisements on the site. Better incentive for members of the site. Maybe encourage people to become members instead of attacking them. Still can’t believe a member called non members Dayton fans. Wow!

You’re confusing being a decent human being by helping what I assume is a fellow alumni out (but I question if you ever went to the school) and this site needing to make money. If you like being a freeloader, that’s your prerogative, it just says quite a bit about you.

Let’s stop with the bs that you ever even thought about spending 12 dollars. You joined this site 16 years ago. Stop with the bs.

Oh and btw I’m a fan and a donor and I could give two shits when miller takes a vacation.

[kane79]

Totally agree. Miller should take a nice long vacation to rest up for next season. Just don’t think in the middle of the transfer portal with no healthy front court players on the roster is the best time to take a vacation. Especially coming off the worst season in recent memory. Maybe take care of business first and then enjoy a nice relaxing vacation. Just a thought. Not sure why people are taking this as Miller should never be given a few days off and/or a vacation. No one said that.

in the past few days while he's been out of the country, how many recruits have signed? further more, how many people X has targeted have signed anywhere? I really think youre making a much bigger deal out of this than it really is.

[xuphan]

Well I’m a fan and a donor and I don’t see anything wrong with it at all.

Bottom line is that neither I, nor anyone else on this site, is someone that Sean Miller has to explain his use of vacation time to. He only has to do that to his boss. NONE of us, least of all you or me, knows where the program stands in relation to its likelihood to land any transfers that he might want. NONE of us know where he is, or what he is doing in that regard. NONE of us are people he has to answer to. Your OPINIONS on how his actions look to YOU really don’t matter, no matter how often or how many times you repeat them. I disagree with your OPINION about HOW it looks, and furthermore I think that how it looks to fans and donors is not even important. But that’s just MY opinion.

By the way, I didn’t say I was annoyed about getting a neg. rep comment. I said that it’s a joke to take negative or positive reps as something that even mattered. I can’t believe that you’d actually take the time and effort to even make a comment when doing it. You probably count how many “likes” you get on Facebook posts too, as if that mattered either.

Great! I am glad you see no problem with it and shared with us that you think it is fine that he went on vacation after coaching the worst Xavier team in recent memory with a current roster of 6 healthy players and no healthy front court players. You are entitled to your opinions and message boards are a great place to share them.

I will also post my opinions about the program and Miller both good and bad. No one said Miller needs to answer to me. I don’t work for the athletic department. Kind of a weird statement from you. He should answer for assembling and coaching the worst roster in recent memory but it sounds like most fans are ok with that so I’ll leave it be.

You seem pretty bothered by getting a negative rep. The only piece of advise I can give is don’t post false information about another poster. I never said Miller had to work 24/7/365 and couldn’t take a break. That wasn’t true and the reason for your negative rep. Enjoy your evening.

[Fireball]

A now 70 post thread where we have a couple of grown men who are trying to tell another grown man they have never met when he is allowed to take vacation.

I'm guessing that Sean can recruit just as well from wherever the hell he is just as well as he can recruit from Cintas. Phones and Internet are kind of a global thing now.


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[xuphan]

in the past few days while he's been out of the country, how many recruits have signed? further more, how many people X has targeted have signed anywhere? I really think youre making a much bigger deal out of this than it really is.

I’m just giving my opinion on a message board about how I feel about it. Others seem to be making it a bigger deal like I am insinuating Miller doesn’t deserve a vacation.

[Xville]

Great! I am glad you see no problem with it and shared with us that you think it is fine that he went on vacation after coaching the worst Xavier team in recent memory with a current roster of 6 healthy players and no healthy front court players. You are entitled to your opinions and message boards are a great place to share them.

I will also post my opinions about the program and Miller both good and bad. No one said Miller needs to answer to me. I don’t work for the athletic department. Kind of a weird statement from you. He should answer for assembling and coaching the worst roster in recent memory but it sounds like most fans are ok with that so I’ll leave it be.

You seem pretty bothered by getting a negative rep. The only piece of advise I can give is don’t post false information about another poster. I never said Miller had to work 24/7/365 and couldn’t take a break. That wasn’t true and the reason for your negative rep. Enjoy your evening.

You lack quite a bit of self awareness and self control.

[xuphan]

You’re confusing being a decent human being by helping what I assume is a fellow alumni out (but I question if you ever went to the school) and this site needing to make money. If you like being a freeloader, that’s your prerogative, it just says quite a bit about you.

Let’s stop with the bs that you ever even thought about spending 12 dollars. You joined this site 16 years ago. Stop with the bs.

Oh and btw I’m a fan and a donor and I could give two shits when miller takes a vacation.

Hey look, another insult by a member on the board. Why would someone want to become a member when said members throw insults at them? Answer me that one.

[XUGRAD80]

You lack quite a bit of self awareness and self control.

“Not only don’t he get it, he don’t get that he don’t get it.”……. Bill Parcells.

[Xavier]

He thinks it’s bad optics. Maybe a couple other agree. Most don’t. I can’t believe how long this thread is. No one is changing eithers mind. I get it’s a message board and that’s what it’s for…..but seems exhausting. My guess is we will have some positive and negative portal news coming this week. And this thread might double by then lol

[Xville]

Hey look, another insult by a member on the board. Why would someone want to become a member when said members throw insults at them? Answer me that one.

So what was your excuse for the other 15+ years you’ve been here?

[xuphan]

He thinks it’s bad optics. Maybe a couple other agree. Most don’t. I can’t believe how long this thread is. No one is changing eithers mind. I get it’s a message board and that’s what it’s for…..but seems exhausting. My guess is we will have some positive and negative portal news coming this week. And this thread might double by then lol

Exactly. I shared my opinion on the transfer portal thread which has for some reason turned into its own thread. Are we not allowed to have opinions on here?

[xuphan]

So what was your excuse for the other 15+ years you’ve been here?

Up until a few years ago I didn’t know there was a members option on this site. Since then, you can ask 94Grad the reason why I haven’t become a member.

I do want to give public reps to Nuts4XU. Not sure if he still post here or not but it was nice that he apologized for the treatment I received by a member on this site and shared the whole membership information to help Muskie run the site. I really appreciated that. Wonder if Muskie has PayPal or something that I could give him a donation on the side. No interest in being a member after the insults I received from current members.

[Xville]

Up until a few years ago I didn’t know there was a members option on this site. Since then, you can ask 94Grad the reason why I haven’t become a member.

I do want to give public reps to Nuts4XU. Not sure if he still post here or not but it was nice that he apologized for the treatment I received by a member on this site and shared the whole membership information to help Muskie run the site. I really appreciated that. Wonder if Muskie has PayPal or something that I could give him a donation on the side. No interest in being a member after the insults I received from current members.

Quite a bit of playing the victim here. You come up with a ridiculous argument about miller, go on about it page after page after page even after several posters question you on it, state you’re done arguing about it, and then continue on and on insulting miller, other posters’ opinions etc.

Then you cry about being mistreated. It’s extremely angel reese like.

No one cares if you are interested about being a member or not though I’m sure Muskie would appreciate it. Some like me Just find it ridiculous that someone that’s been coming here for 16 years wouldn’t think to help the site.

[xuphan]

Quite a bit of playing the victim here. You come up with a ridiculous argument about miller, go on about it page after page after page even after several posters question you on it, state you’re done arguing about it, and then continue on and on insulting miller, other posters’ opinions etc.

Then you cry about being mistreated. It’s extremely angel reese like.

You asked a question and I answered it. You don’t like said answer and you again start in with the insults. Rinse and repeat.

[XU_Lou]

You asked a question and I answered it. You don’t like said answer and you again start in with the insults. Rinse and repeat.

Phan - I think you're totally wrong on the whole vacation thing, but I wouldn't take anything Ville has to say too personally. He literally hates anyone and everyone that disagrees with him. Hell, think about it, just a week ago you guys were allies. But you crossed him, and now you're his arch enemy. Be proud, there are dozens on this board that have achieved this status!

And yes, you're quite correct in calling him out for resorting to calling you a cheapskate because you won't donate to this board. Why would you donate to this board when Ville whines to the mods like a little schoolgirl whenever you push back against his nonsense, and then have the mods cave (for God only knows why) and ban you. It's a helluva business model if you can get away with it!

Ironically, that cheap ass won't donate to the XU NIL fund. What the hell? Which is more important to the overall mission? Funding a chat board or funding a better roster? I guess it's more important for him to pretend he's the ruler of his little fiefdom on XH.

Is it Festivus yet?

[Xavier]

Brother. It’s a message board. Dont take it so seriously. lol you did think you absolutely nailed that post.

[XU_Lou]

Brother. It’s a message board. Dont take it so seriously. lol you did think you absolutely nailed that post.

Why are YOU protecting Ville?

Why is there a double standard when it comes to this guy?

Why does every thread descend into a pissing match when this guy gets involved?

How many regular posters has he run off with his mean-spirited, arrogant nonsense?

[Xuperman]

Why are YOU protecting Ville?

Why is there a double standard when it comes to this guy?

Why does every thread descend into a pissing match when this guy gets involved?

How many regular posters has he run off with his mean-spirited, arrogant nonsense?

Oh, you mean the same guy that....other than keyboard muscles...should have gotten a "real" chance to justify suggesting fornication with another guys MOM.

MODS....crickets? That is unacceptable.

[Xavier]

I mean…..what are you talking about?

I really only look at the X ball stuff here. And he’s great with that. Certainly have disagreements with him but doesn’t bother me one bit. Great passion. Despite the disagreements feel like he has good bball insight. You don’t have to like him. If anyone bothers you that much on an online message board then either block him or go to a different Xavier board?

It’s back and forth. It’s fun. Don’t get so wrapped up in it is my advice.

[MHettel]

I’ll bite.

I personally find it insane that there is a faction of fans that just find Miller to be infallible. Like he’s perfect. He has never done harm and can do no harm.

So even the slightest little critique brings out the mama bear in these folks. It’s jugular time.

People need to realize the you can react to a negative thing that the coach has done or is responsible for and it doesn’t mean you are writing the guy off forever.

I don’t know that we could have a better coach right now. But he’s not perfect and he’s not above being questioned.

I’ve logged my gripes and provided my rationale. I personally prefer that Miller be on campus until the roster is set. I’m not fucking demanding that he gets fired.

Let me try this: XVille and Xavier. Can you guys just tell me the one thing that Miller should get better at. There has to be something that you guys see that needs to improve for us to get back on track.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The optics are bad. Whether you think they should be or not, they just are. Sean knows that.

Which is why he outed himself on the radio? To make himself look bad and rile up the crazies? ok.....

[Xville]

I’ll bite.

I personally find it insane that there is a faction of fans that just find Miller to be infallible. Like he’s perfect. He has never done harm and can do no harm.

So even the slightest little critique brings out the mama bear in these folks. It’s jugular time.

People need to realize the you can react to a negative thing that the coach has done or is responsible for and it doesn’t mean you are writing the guy off forever.

I don’t know that we could have a better coach right now. But he’s not perfect and he’s not above being questioned.

I’ve logged my gripes and provided my rationale. I personally prefer that Miller be on campus until the roster is set. I’m not fucking demanding that he gets fired.

Let me try this: XVille and Xavier. Can you guys just tell me the one thing that Miller should get better at. There has to be something that you guys see that needs to improve for us to get back on track.

Pretty simple to me. Get a legitimate 5 and have a healthy free. Actually one more thing, I want him to concentrate on getting guys with a defensive profile better than he’s gotten as well. Even the sweet 16 year they weren’t great defensively. He mentioned that in the pod so I was really glad to hear that because it is something I was hoping for when he was first hired.


For the record, I don’t think miller is infallible, it’s just that some of the things bantered about on him lately are completely ridiculous.

[Xavier]

Sean has talked a ton about how his season away changed his mindset a bit and how a high powered offense beats a great defense more often than not. I agree overall winning with a great offense is easier than a great D but the defense has to be much better to get to a final 4. In this era it will be easier to attract portal players with a great offense.

The scheme elevates players offense, so I’d look for solid all around guys. Did see X is in last two for Dunn from Houston. Didn’t put up big numbers there but averaged 15 at temple. A season at Houston and his size, I’d assume his defense is solid.

[xubrew]

Awesome thread!!!!

[xubrew]

I guess we're at the point in the offseason where fans feel obligated to tell the Head Coach he shouldn't take some time off. JFC!!!

I don't think any competent conference commissioner would ever let the coaches go on vacation right now!!!

[basket]

Could he be on "vacation" in Lexington driving a Lexus?

[bjf123]

Could he be on "vacation" in Lexington driving a Lexus?

Let the rumor mill fly!!!!!


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[94GRAD]

I don't think any competent conference commissioner would ever let the coaches go on vacation right now!!!

I see what you did there :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Xville]

Sean has talked a ton about how his season away changed his mindset a bit and how a high powered offense beats a great defense more often than not. I agree overall winning with a great offense is easier than a great D but the defense has to be much better to get to a final 4. In this era it will be easier to attract portal players with a great offense.

The scheme elevates players offense, so I’d look for solid all around guys. Did see X is in last two for Dunn from Houston. Didn’t put up big numbers there but averaged 15 at temple. A season at Houston and his size, I’d assume his defense is solid.

Yeah he has talked extensively about his offensive philosophy, and I think he wants that to remain the same. However, he did lament in the pod that he wants to get better on the defensive side of the ball and he even mentioned the sweet 16 team as not being great at it. Like you said, he's probably looking for a more well rounded player. It seems like Foster fits that bill.

With all that said, Alabama played zero d most of the year and got to the final four :).

[Xavier]

Yeah I know. I even mentioned it then edited it out of the post because 1) it’s such an anomaly and 2) not the way I think X can find its way there.

[nuts4xu]

Haha, I knew the whole 12.50 solicitation would come from you sooner or later. No thanks. Not interested in the X lounge.

This thread alone is worth $12.50!

You can't get rational back and forth dialogue like this on the other message board.

This is GOLD.

[Final4]

This thread alone is worth $12.50!

You can't get rational back and forth dialogue like this on the other message board.

This is GOLD.

I'm not on this site alot and tend to be rather selective in what I read. I can honestly say that when Xville first mentioned 12.50 to me I didn't know if he was referring to a sailing yacht or bragging about his new hourly wage. Learn something new everyday.

[bjf123]

I can honestly say that when Xville first mentioned 12.50 to me I didn't know if he was referring to a sailing yacht
I wish they’d go back to 12 meter sailing vessels for the America’s Cup.


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[MHettel]

Pretty simple to me. Get a legitimate 5 and have a healthy free. Actually one more thing, I want him to concentrate on getting guys with a defensive profile better than he’s gotten as well. Even the sweet 16 year they weren’t great defensively. He mentioned that in the pod so I was really glad to hear that because it is something I was hoping for when he was first hired.


For the record, I don’t think miller is infallible, it’s just that some of the things bantered about on him lately are completely ridiculous.

What is your thought on whether or not this team had a sufficient amount of 3 point shooting this year? For most of the critiques I had from this year, i get met with the "but Free and Hunter were injured and Miller cant be blamed for that." But Free and Hunter arent part of the discussion when it comes to deep shooting. Did we have enough 3 point shooting?

[Xville]

What is your thought on whether or not this team had a sufficient amount of 3 point shooting this year? For most of the critiques I had from this year, i get met with the "but Free and Hunter were injured and Miller cant be blamed for that." But Free and Hunter arent part of the discussion when it comes to deep shooting. Did we have enough 3 point shooting?

What I believe is that with a competent inside game, that opens up opportunities for shooters. X didn't have a competent inside game, so that not only put a hell of a lot of pressure on guys that could shoot, but also allowed defenses to play a certain way. Did X have as many shooters on the team as the year before? Probably not but I think X had enough.

With a healthy free and hunter getting 25 points a game or so, that opens things up quite a bit.

[Xavier]

Yeah. Competent bigs certainly open up 3 pt shooting. See Purdue.

Still, Olivari shot 40%, McKnight shot 37%. And somehow Gytis was 36% lol. I think McKnight really turned it around. He is an outside threat for sure. Claude apparently had an elbow issue so he wasn’t able to work on it as much. But I think that was coach trying to cover up for his player more than anything.

Shooting the 3 ball isn’t a huge part of the philosophy, they were one of the best offenses in the country Two years ago despise being pretty low in 3pt attempts/game. But it certainly helps. Hope Claude gets better over the summer like Colby from sophomore to junior year jump

[MHettel]

What I believe is that with a competent inside game, that opens up opportunities for shooters. X didn't have a competent inside game, so that not only put a hell of a lot of pressure on guys that could shoot, but also allowed defenses to play a certain way. Did X have as many shooters on the team as the year before? Probably not but I think X had enough.

With a healthy free and hunter getting 25 points a game or so, that opens things up quite a bit.

Q was a good shooter that was willing. McKnight is a pretty good shooter that was reluctant. Claude is not a good shooter and he was enticed to shoot by opposing defenses. Green is a good shooter that had minute limits due to defense. I'm not seeing how a competent inside game creates better perimeter shooting because the perimeter defenders arent sagging to help inside. Maybe the lack of post passing had an impact. The real key would have been to have a stretch 4 or 5 that could pull one of the bigs out to the perimeter to respect the 3 ball. This gives a post guy more space to operate and a driver more options going to the rim. Thats what we didnt have. Thats roster construction, and on Miller. Free and Hunter were not going to add that element.

[Xavier]

Freemantle shot 60% from 3 when he was healthy last year. Granted only 1 or so a game but he for sure a stretch 4. (Career 35% 3 pt shooter)

[MHettel]

Yeah. Competent bigs certainly open up 3 pt shooting. See Purdue.

Still, Olivari shot 40%, McKnight shot 37%. And somehow Gytis was 36% lol. I think McKnight really turned it around. He is an outside threat for sure. Claude apparently had an elbow issue so he wasn’t able to work on it as much. But I think that was coach trying to cover up for his player more than anything.

Shooting the 3 ball isn’t a huge part of the philosophy, they were one of the best offenses in the country Two years ago despise being pretty low in 3pt attempts/game. But it certainly helps. Hope Claude gets better over the summer like Colby from sophomore to junior year jump

What does it mean to be one of the "best offenses in the country?" Honestly asking. Is it just PPG? I think the offensive tempo we play at is a huge part of any measure of our "quality" of the offense. Frankly, I believe our halfcourt offense was pretty garbage, and as a result the gameplan was to try to score in transition before the defense is set up

[Xavier]

What does it mean to be one of the "best offenses in the country?" Honestly asking. Is it just PPG? I think the offensive tempo we play at is a huge part of any measure of our "quality" of the offense. Frankly, I believe our halfcourt offense was pretty garbage, and as a result the gameplan was to try to score in transition before the defense is set up

KenPom it was 5th. So offensive efficiency. And that is a major part of the offense, scoring in transition and early in shot clock. When we didn’t we could work it around with Nunge and Freemantle creating mismatches and driving lanes.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Q was a good shooter that was willing. McKnight is a pretty good shooter that was reluctant. Claude is not a good shooter and he was enticed to shoot by opposing defenses. Green is a good shooter that had minute limits due to defense. I'm not seeing how a competent inside game creates better perimeter shooting because the perimeter defenders arent sagging to help inside. Maybe the lack of post passing had an impact. The real key would have been to have a stretch 4 or 5 that could pull one of the bigs out to the perimeter to respect the 3 ball. This gives a post guy more space to operate and a driver more options going to the rim. Thats what we didnt have. Thats roster construction, and on Miller. Free and Hunter were not going to add that element.

Freemantle isn't Nunge but he is a 35% career 3 point shooter who can definitely draw a defender to the perimeter and keep them honest.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Freemantle shot 60% from 3 when he was healthy last year. Granted only 1 or so a game but he for sure a stretch 4. (Career 35% 3 pt shooter)

Beat me to it, didn't see this.

[D-West & PO-Z]

KenPom it was 5th. So offensive efficiency. And that is a major part of the offense, scoring in transition and early in shot clock. When we didn’t we could work it around with Nunge and Freemantle creating mismatches and driving lanes.

I see 8th on KenPom. But either way, pretty elite, despite Hett's garbage assertion.

[Xville]

Q was a good shooter that was willing. McKnight is a pretty good shooter that was reluctant. Claude is not a good shooter and he was enticed to shoot by opposing defenses. Green is a good shooter that had minute limits due to defense. I'm not seeing how a competent inside game creates better perimeter shooting because the perimeter defenders arent sagging to help inside. Maybe the lack of post passing had an impact. The real key would have been to have a stretch 4 or 5 that could pull one of the bigs out to the perimeter to respect the 3 ball. This gives a post guy more space to operate and a driver more options going to the rim. Thats what we didnt have. Thats roster construction, and on Miller. Free and Hunter were not going to add that element.

Perimeter guys 100% sag quite a bit in today's game when there are good post players. It's one of the elements of a lot of base defenses in the country at the collegiate level. Heck, you just told on yourself by saying "lack of post passing maybe had an impact."

In regards to Free, not saying he's an all american 3 point shooter, but he certainly showed he has the ability to shoot the 3, and he has a solid mid range game, which again opens up things for everyone else.

Lastly, if you listened to the podcast with Hunter, Miller and him discussed that last summer (before obviously the heart issues), Hunter was working tirelessly on his outside game. That was the next evolution, Miller called it, on Hunter's game.

Not sure if you watch or listen to the podcast, but I'd seriously consider listening to it. I have learned a ton from it in all aspects of the game.

Lastly, it's really frustrating for you to continue to go to the well of roster construction and disregard a lot of what happened last summer and just think that someone can pivot so quickly out of thin air. It's a lot of the benefit of hindsight with not only this, but with what you state in regards to the bench during the sweet 16 year.

[MHettel]

Freemantle shot 60% from 3 when he was healthy last year. Granted only 1 or so a game but he for sure a stretch 4. (Career 35% 3 pt shooter)

Really?

Free took 34 3's as a Freshman. 78 as a soph, 46 as a junior, and then 22 last year. Someone told him his job was not to shoot.

I vividly recall that many, if not MOST of his 3 attempts came at the very end of the shot clock. we hasn't looking for his shot, and he just happened to have it when an attempt was necessary.

Free played in 22 games. He took ZERO attempts in 8 of them. He took 3 attempts in the first 9 games. Of his 14 made 3's last year, he had 8 in his last 7 games. Arguably he was getting a little more comfortable as the year went on. But I'm not sure i would have penciled him in as a stretch guy for this year. Will be interesting to see how hes used next year. I'd prefer that hes the guy that benefits from having a less crowded lane if he had a stretch 5 that can pull then other big man outside.

[MHettel]

KenPom it was 5th. So offensive efficiency. And that is a major part of the offense, scoring in transition and early in shot clock. When we didn’t we could work it around with Nunge and Freemantle creating mismatches and driving lanes.

I was referring to the team we just had. Halfcourt offense was poor. The prior year we could score every way possible.

[MHettel]

Perimeter guys 100% sag quite a bit in today's game when there are good post players. It's one of the elements of a lot of base defenses in the country at the collegiate level. Heck, you just told on yourself by saying "lack of post passing maybe had an impact."

In regards to Free, not saying he's an all american 3 point shooter, but he certainly showed he has the ability to shoot the 3, and he has a solid mid range game, which again opens up things for everyone else.

Lastly, if you listened to the podcast with Hunter, Miller and him discussed that last summer (before obviously the heart issues), Hunter was working tirelessly on his outside game. That was the next evolution, Miller called it, on Hunter's game.

Not sure if you watch or listen to the podcast, but I'd seriously consider listening to it. I have learned a ton from it in all aspects of the game.

Lastly, it's really frustrating for you to continue to go to the well of roster construction and disregard a lot of what happened last summer and just think that someone can pivot so quickly out of thin air. It's a lot of the benefit of hindsight with not only this, but with what you state in regards to the bench during the sweet 16 year.

So just to clarify. You thought we had enough shooting this year. Is that correct? And if so, does you opinion on this also include the assumption that Free and / or Hunter would be taking enough 3 attempts to effectively give us a stretch big and the associated benefits.

[Xavier]

I was referring to the team we just had. Halfcourt offense was poor. The prior year we could score every way possible.

Oh, yeah our offense was awful last year in half court. No doubt about that. When other team doesn’t have to worry about an inside game, they can help like crazy on drives. I’m sure Sean emphasized even more to push the ball and score bc of it.

The only positive was Claude was still able to do work in the paint. Even with help defense against him. I think that’s a great quality, reminded me a little of nova guys who could use body well in paint. Not so much behind the line.

[Xville]

So just to clarify. You thought we had enough shooting this year. Is that correct? And if so, does you opinion on this also include the assumption that Free and / or Hunter would be taking enough 3 attempts to effectively give us a stretch big and the associated benefits.

I have already answered both. I would have been interested to see what Abou looked like with a good 4 in free/hunter as well. Probably not to the level that Miller wanted it, which is why I think Miller is going in a different direction, but it would have benefited the team in all areas to get that 4 spot at the Free/Hunter type of play.

[Xavier]

Arguably he was getting a little more comfortable as the year went on. But I'm not sure i would have penciled him in as a stretch guy for this year. Will be interesting to see how hes used next year. I'd prefer that hes the guy that benefits from having a less crowded lane if he had a stretch 5 that can pull then other big man outside.

Yeah fair enough, he clearly wasn’t shooting as much behind the line. Though he still had a good mid range game, IMO. You can still work a pick and roll with it. And he is almost always a mismatch when he can have room against the opposing 4 in the paint. He works best with a stretch 5 in that regard for sure

[MHettel]

I have already answered both. I would have been interested to see what Abou looked like with a good 4 in free/hunter.

But the question about whether we had enough shooting or not. And whether we were counting on Free / Hunter to fill the stretch big role.

You didnt answer that.

[Xville]

But the question about whether we had enough shooting or not. And whether we were counting on Free / Hunter to fill the stretch big role.

You didnt answer that.

Post 104 man. good gawd.

[MHettel]

Yeah fair enough, he clearly wasn’t shooting as much behind the line. Though he still had a good mid range game, IMO. You can still work a pick and roll with it. And he is almost always a mismatch when he can have room against the opposing 4 in the paint. He works best with a stretch 5 in that regard for sure

yes, exactly

[MHettel]

Post 104 man. good gawd.

well, we could get to post #250 if you want. Or you could just answer the question.

[Xavier]

yes, exactly

That’s what made him a 2nd team all big east guy. Ability to beat you in many ways, tough to guard. But he was damn good in the paint. I honestly think he was underrated when healthy last year. I hope we get something close to where he was next year. Makes me excited thinking about what his game was.

[Xville]

well, we could get to post #250 if you want. Or you could just answer the question.

What I believe is that with a competent inside game, that opens up opportunities for shooters. X didn't have a competent inside game, so that not only put a hell of a lot of pressure on guys that could shoot, but also allowed defenses to play a certain way. Did X have as many shooters on the team as the year before? Probably not but I think X had enough.

With a healthy free and hunter getting 25 points a game or so, that opens things up quite a bit

[IM4X]

Really?

Free took 34 3's as a Freshman. 78 as a soph, 46 as a junior, and then 22 last year. Someone told him his job was not to shoot.

I vividly recall that many, if not MOST of his 3 attempts came at the very end of the shot clock. we hasn't looking for his shot, and he just happened to have it when an attempt was necessary.

Free played in 22 games. He took ZERO attempts in 8 of them. He took 3 attempts in the first 9 games. Of his 14 made 3's last year, he had 8 in his last 7 games. Arguably he was getting a little more comfortable as the year went on. But I'm not sure i would have penciled him in as a stretch guy for this year. Will be interesting to see how hes used next year. I'd prefer that hes the guy that benefits from having a less crowded lane if he had a stretch 5 that can pull then other big man outside.

It is very likely Sean worked with Free to be more selective with the 3s he took like he did with many of the players he inherited from Steele.
So Zach took fewer, better shots.

That is not the same thing as someone telling him his job is not to shoot 3s. Sean may have said that to Hunter- I highly doubt he said that same thing to Zach.

The fact that Free took fewer shots and improved his percentage to 60% from 3 when doing so tells us two things:

Zach has learned to become a better decision-maker, taking smarter 3s.
Zach is indeed a very capable 3 point shooter who will absolute be given the green light to shoot 3s.

I’m not sure why you’d choose to sell one of our players short. Fremantle was downright remarkable before his injury. He took smarter shots and made a much higher percent of them because of it. How does that make him a bad 3 point shooter? He isn’t.

We know Sean has an incredible knack for helping players develop into much better players by teaching them to make smarter decisions. I expect to see Zach take more 3s than he did last year and shoot at a percentage similar to what Nunge shot last season.

[nuts4xu]

With a healthy free and hunter getting 25 points a game or so, that opens things up quite a bit

I think it's optimistic to expect 25 points from Hunter and Freemantle next season. I am not counting on that much production, especially with Hunter.