Big East Tournament

[D-West & PO-Z]

Nova avoids absolute disaster (and Neptune a Steele like collapse and loss to DePaul) to move on. Nova wins tomorrow I think they secure their spot. If not they need to hope their metrics are enough to sneak in to the First Four.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Anyone know if Kolek is back?

[JTG]

Nope. MU hoping he'll be ready for 1st round NCAA game.
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[X-band '01]

Think the official word is questionable on Kolek the rest of the BE Tournament. Don't see him getting in anytime soon, though.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Maybe the BE should do the SEC football thing and let Nova win that one for the good of the conference.

[Xville]

Providence may have just punched their ticket. That’d be six from be. Creighton has first round exit vibes… punch them in the mouth, they falter

[D-West & PO-Z]

Wow that is a huge win for Providence.

After all the hand wringing, if Nova wins tonight, I think the BE gets 6 as well.

Actually, I see Bracket Matrix has Seton Hall in too as a 10 seed.

There is a legitimate chance the Big East gets 7 teams in.

Providence maybe needs to win another. 7 seems almost more likely than 5 at this point though to me.

[Xville]

I’ll also add English > Cooley

[GoMuskies]

That gets Xavier into the NIT. Yay.

[D-West & PO-Z]

That gets Xavier into the NIT. Yay.

Will be interesting to see. If 6 get in X very likely NIT bound (don't think Butler jumps them after the UConn thrashing but who knows).

5 seem like a lock at this point with 7 possible pending Nova game.

[D-West & PO-Z]

That is so freaking close but I think still on the finger tips.

[D-West & PO-Z]

What a masterclass by Shaka with play calls in the last 2.8 secs though. That is amazing play calls, 2 of them.

[Xville]

Great game but nova has wrapped up their nit bid. 5 for be, 6 if providence wins tomorrow… think they still need one

[D-West & PO-Z]

Great game but nova has wrapped up their nit bid. 5 for be, 6 if providence wins tomorrow… think they still need one

Yeah Providence needs to win to be sure. They have been playing great though.

Maybe Neptune should go casual and fully differentiate himself from Wright considering he's headed the opposite direction anyway.

[Xville]

Yeah Providence needs to win to be sure. They have been playing great though.

Maybe Neptune should go casual and fully differentiate himself from Wright considering he's headed the opposite direction anyway.

Kinda crazy you can now make the argument that nova has the worst coach in the big East. How far the mighty have fallen

[D-West & PO-Z]

Providence making a run and the Garden is rocking.

Nothing like the BE tourney at MSG!

[Xville]

Devin Carter is a bad man. Providence is playing so damn hard.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Not sure about that illegal screen call on Oduro, seemed weak.

He picked up 3 fouls in like 3mins.

Going to be a heck of a final WAR.

[Xville]

Bubble actually seems strong this year compared to other years. Going to be really interesting to see which be teams actually get in. PAC may end up being a bid stealer now with zona going down.

This game is awesome

[Xville]

It feels like Marquette is getting bailed out a ton in this game by the refs

[Xville]

Oduro fouling out just did providence in… Marquette with a chance to go back to back. Geez

[American X]

It would be better if Xavier was in it, but college basketball does not get better than the Big East tournament final in Madison Square Garden.

(point deduction for use of cheesy Van Hagar song and West Coast rap song, points for Biggie Smalls song intro)

[Xville]

If the big East only gets 3 in, they had to reevaluate how they select teams. 6 from the shit big ten and only 3 from big East? F that

[XUGRAD80]

We have a natural bias in favor of the BE, but the truth is that as of this morning the BE is 5th as a conference in the NET rankings. Not necessarily a good way to rank them as the bottom feeder's in the BE are just about the overall bottom feeders in all of D1, and certainly drag the conference’s ranking way down. But still, the conference really isn’t overall that good this year.

[Xville]

We have a natural bias in favor of the BE, but the truth is that as of this morning the BE is 5th as a conference in the NET rankings. Not necessarily a good way to rank them as the bottom feeder's in the BE are just about the overall bottom feeders in all of D1, and certainly drag the conference’s ranking way down. But still, the conference really isn’t overall that good this year.

I disagree. The conference is good this year. Second In kenpom. I think the net is mostly nonsense and apparently can be easily manipulated. Can’t convince me the big ten deserves 6, while be deserves 3

[GoMuskies]

UConn is unfair good.

[MHettel]

We have a natural bias in favor of the BE, but the truth is that as of this morning the BE is 5th as a conference in the NET rankings. Not necessarily a good way to rank them as the bottom feeder's in the BE are just about the overall bottom feeders in all of D1, and certainly drag the conference’s ranking way down. But still, the conference really isn’t overall that good this year.

2 things.

It’s all about the nonconference schedule and performance. The Big East was meh this year in the non-con with X doing its part by dropping games to UW, Delaware and Oakland.

In addition the number of conference games you play matters. I know everyone loves the double round robin but 20 conference games is alot. Each of those games has a winner and a loser. That’s 110 losses for the conference. If we played, for instance, 18 conference games each year, that would be 2 additional non-con games that every team could play. Assume we win 2/3rds of those games. In that case that results in a bunch of losses being raced with wins.

If every conference just played against itself only, all the conferences would just all be tied with the same NET. It comes down to wins and losses against the other conferences.

Part of the “cost” of the double round robin

[Xville]

2 things.

It’s all about the nonconference schedule and performance. The Big East was meh this year in the non-con with X doing its part by dropping games to UW, Delaware and Oakland.

In addition the number of conference games you play matters. I know everyone loves the double round robin but 20 conference games is alot. Each of those games has a winner and a loser. That’s 110 losses for the conference. If we played, for instance, 18 conference games each year, that would be 2 additional non-con games that every team could play. Assume we win 2/3rds of those games. In that case that results in a bunch of losses being raced with wins.

If every conference just played against itself only, all the conferences would just all be tied with the same NET. It comes down to wins and losses against the other conferences.

Part of the “cost” of the double round robin


Big East is not the only conference that plays 20 games. Big ten, big 12 also do.

I do agree though that the non con was not spectacular and x certainly did do their part in being mediocre but with an insane sos

The big 12 played the net game well this year. They played a lot of crap in the non-con but won a lot of games.

Take a look at Tcu, Texas tech both locks… played a whole lot of nothing in non-con and/or when they did play someone they lost.

[94GRAD]

Big East is not the only conference that plays 20 games. Big ten, big 12 also do.

I do agree though that the non con was not spectacular and x certainly did do their part in being mediocre but with an insane sos

Big 12 only plays an 18-game conference schedule. uc finished 7-11

[Xville]

Big 12 only plays an 18-game conference schedule. uc finished 7-11

Yep my bad.. acc

[JTG]

So the BE as a conference needs to pare down the out of conf schedule next year and pile up lots of wins. Then playing each other helps the NET. Hey, it might be a cheap way to get teams in the dance, but you need to manipulate the rules to your favor. I think the BE made X the sacrificial lamb by paring them with Purdue and Houston.
On a side note the B1G moved their tournament to Minneapolis and the crowds have been embarrassing. The Target Center has been half empty at best. Wait til some year when they move it to LA or Wash or Oregon and NOBODY shows up. Glad we have Val. Some of these conf Commissioners are morons.

[MHettel]

So the BE as a conference needs to pare down the out of conf schedule next year and pile up lots of wins. Then playing each other helps the NET. Hey, it might be a cheap way to get teams in the dance, but you need to manipulate the rules to your favor. I think the BE made X the sacrificial lamb by paring them with Purdue and Houston.
On a side note the B1G moved their tournament to Minneapolis and the crowds have been embarrassing. The Target Center has been half empty at best. Wait til some year when they move it to LA or Wash or Oregon and NOBODY shows up. Glad we have Val. Some of these conf Commissioners are morons.

Another one I called early on. You don’t even need the know how the conference standings shake out to establish a pretty good estimate of the number of tourney teams a conference will get in the dance based on the collective non-con performances. We didn’t fare well against the big opponents and there were a number of bad losses as well. I felt 5 was probably the top end. 4 was possible. If we get 3, it will be shocking.

[Xville]

It was 5-6 before the unprecedented number of bid stealers from the big conferences. That combined with an actual strong bubble decreased it to maybe 4. It’s anyone’s guess what the committee actually does though. We will find out soon enough.

[MHettel]

It was 5-6 before the unprecedented number of bid stealers from the big conferences. That combined with an actual strong bubble decreased it to maybe 4. It’s anyone’s guess what the committee actually does though. We will find out soon enough.

I think it was 5 before the bid stealers (80% likely). 6 was a stretch in my view, as was 4.

I’m perplexed why SHU isnt considered in at this point. I think they had 20+ wins and finished 13-7 in a pretty good conference that had 5-6 teams in the bubble discussion going down the stretch. I have bothered to look at their non-con schedule, but it must have been pretty average if not just weak. In addition their NET is impacted by some of the bad losses the conference took in the non-con.

That caught up to us in the end….

[Xville]

Fau an 8 and nw a 9 is a joke. Those two should be bubble teams

[Xville]

All this big ten love is gross

[JTG]

All this big ten love is gross

It happens every year. Hoping they all lose. Except maybe Purdue.

[Xville]

lol Gonzaga is gonna get pounded

[X-band '01]

The main reason Gonzaga was a 5 was BYU getting knocked down to the 6 line because they won't play on Sunday.