College Basketball Transfer Portal 2024-2025

[xudash]

yeah, we've been killing it the last few years.

Well, now I will insert myself into this discussion: how do you account for the impact of Steele as Xavier‘s head coach in this scenario?

[MHettel]

Well, now I will insert myself into this discussion: how do you account for the impact of Steele as Xavier‘s head coach in this scenario?

He was awful. I wanted him out well before he was gone. But my comment was really in response to someone that suggested that we've been benefiting from the Portal and NIL. The proof is in the pudding.

[GoMuskies]

I think we've easily net-benefitted from the portal. By a wide, wide, wide margin. NIL? Not as clear.

But I'm obviously happy for us to put MOR's cash to work.

[Xville]

He was awful. I wanted him out well before he was gone. But my comment was really in response to someone that suggested that we've been benefiting from the Portal and NIL. The proof is in the pudding.

Yep sure is.

Guys we lost that we wanted to keep:

Claude

Guys we have recently gained:

Nunge
Kunkel
Olivari
Boum
McKnight

Two years ago sweet 16.

This year so far:

Hugley
Foster
Maddox
Conwell

And we aren’t done. Even if we stop there, x is going to be preseason ranked top 25 easily, and projected to be in the tourney. I’d say it’s been pretty good to x. Injuries effed up this past year.

[Xavier]

:

Nunge
Kunkel
Olivari
Boum
McKnight



.

Three starters on a 3seed sweet 16 team that finished 2nd in the Big East. Multiple All Big East players. But if you take that all away I’d agree the portal has been tough on X….

[MHettel]

Yep sure is.

Guys we lost that we wanted to keep:

Claude

Guys we have recently gained:

Nunge
Kunkel
Olivari
Boum
McKnight

Two years ago sweet 16.

This year so far:

Hugley
Foster
Maddox
Conwell

And we aren’t done. Even if we stop there, x is going to be preseason ranked top 25 easily, and projected to be in the tourney. I’d say it’s been pretty good to x. Injuries effed up this past year.

Nunge and Kunkel did not transfer to XU under the current set of rules. Kunkel had to get a waiver, and I think Nunge may have been a grad student. And I don't think there was any NIL either. and if there WAS NIL, it wasnt organized at all and was a fraction of what it being thrown around now.

So yeah, completely different environment. Which is my point in the first place.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Ugh, a new, even worse argument has now arised from Hetts rambling narrative.

X has NOT benefited from the portal.

Apparently, after all the complaining Hett did about our team last year, he is now not seeing the benefit of all those guys being shown the door and X bringing in all conference players from a lower level.

Hett is lamenting the loss of the likes of Kyky, Ducahrme, Miles, Duncomb, Kraft, and others and not at all happy with the additions like McKnight, Olivari, and Boum.

Thats a new one and certainly an interesting one.

[Xville]

Nunge and Kunkel did not transfer to XU under the current set of rules. Kunkel had to get a waiver, and I think Nunge may have been a grad student. And I don't think there was any NIL either. and if there WAS NIL, it wasnt organized at all and was a fraction of what it being thrown around now.

So yeah, completely different environment. Which is my point in the first place.

Ok even with that minor point, we are still up significantly. The main point is that x has benefited pretty well in this era so far. Take the l hett and move on.

[kane79]

"never argue with an idiot. they will drag you down to their level then win with experience" - Mark Twain

[ArizonaXUGrad]

No way to push that narrative, throughout X's history we are at a rather large net positive when it comes to transfer players. If you net the quality of transfers in vs. those we lost. It is not even close. Even if you jsut consider this portal's era.

[MHettel]

No way to push that narrative, throughout X's history we are at a rather large net positive when it comes to transfer players. If you net the quality of transfers in vs. those we lost. It is not even close. Even if you jsut consider this portal's era.

Oh, this is a true statement, 100%.

I'd take a team of XU Transfers and go head -to head with a team of Traditional XU players. Lavender, Crawford, CJ, McLean & Stain. Or maybe swap out for Nunge, Boum, Olivari, Hankins, Kunkel, hunter, Thornton, Kanter, Myles.....the list goes on. We've LIVED off of transfers.


But, we arent talking about "XUs history". We are talking about the "portal Era." And the reality is we've had one good year in the last 6. You need to go back 40+ years to point to a bigger disappointment.

With that said, of COURSE we've had some good transfers in the portal era. Its been WIDELY stated that wings are a "dime a dozen" and thats where we've been successful. And we just picked up 3 more. There are dozens of guys out there that could flourish under Sean Miller. But where are the Bigs? Abou was a flop. freaking Duncolmb was a project and then quit before the season started but has suddenly unretired. I like Hugley, but he's got an injury history and other health issues that have costs him time. Is this where we are? Collect a bunch of wings and then find some scratch and dent big guys? Our freaking OWN big guys wouldnt pass the "CarFax" report.

look, I'm glad we got the guys we got. And i see a top 25 roster. But I'm tired of the top 25, and want to get into the National Championship discussion. Loading up on good mid-major wings will not get the job done. Which of the top teams in the country have NOT also loaded up on wing depth in the portal?

the reality is that the landscape is evolving, and we havent seen what this looks like when it's in full bloom. someone said "we're almost a half decade into this" and the fact is, NO we are not. This is like the 3rd offseason with no transfer restrictions and NIL. The NIL has become increasingly MORE organized and impactful. Each year is different from the last. its becoming more and more extreme. guys are leaving DUKE. These kids probably dreamed about playing for Duke their whole lives. But that smell of money comes into the picture and they are gone.

But back to the original point. We've had alot more success with transfers BEFORE the Portal era than since. prove me wrong.

[Xville]

Oh, this is a true statement, 100%.

I'd take a team of XU Transfers and go head -to head with a team of Traditional XU players. Lavender, Crawford, CJ, McLean & Stain. Or maybe swap out for Nunge, Boum, Olivari, Hankins, Kunkel, hunter, Thornton, Kanter, Myles.....the list goes on. We've LIVED off of transfers.


But, we arent talking about "XUs history". We are talking about the "portal Era." And the reality is we've had one good year in the last 6. You need to go back 40+ years to point to a bigger disappointment.

With that said, of COURSE we've had some good transfers in the portal era. Its been WIDELY stated that wings are a "dime a dozen" and thats where we've been successful. And we just picked up 3 more. There are dozens of guys out there that could flourish under Sean Miller. But where are the Bigs? Abou was a flop. freaking Duncolmb was a project and then quit before the season started but has suddenly unretired. I like Hugley, but he's got an injury history and other health issues that have costs him time. Is this where we are? Collect a bunch of wings and then find some scratch and dent big guys? Our freaking OWN big guys wouldnt pass the "CarFax" report.

look, I'm glad we got the guys we got. And i see a top 25 roster. But I'm tired of the top 25, and want to get into the National Championship discussion. Loading up on good mid-major wings will not get the job done. Which of the top teams in the country have NOT also loaded up on wing depth in the portal?

the reality is that the landscape is evolving, and we havent seen what this looks like when it's in full bloom. someone said "we're almost a half decade into this" and the fact is, NO we are not. This is like the 3rd offseason with no transfer restrictions and NIL. The NIL has become increasingly MORE organized and impactful. Each year is different from the last. its becoming more and more extreme. guys are leaving DUKE. These kids probably dreamed about playing for Duke their whole lives. But that smell of money comes into the picture and they are gone.

But back to the original point. We've had alot more success with transfers BEFORE the Portal era than since. prove me wrong.

Dwest is 100% correct, you complain just to complain.


Now it’s well we haven’t done as well as before the portal era. Well you’re comparing history vs six years but in those six years done pretty damn well as previously noted:


Nunge
Rome
Olivari
Boum
McKnight
Kunkel
4 from this year


Oh now you want to complain about big men? Well we just had Nunge and this year free/rome were ready to roll but got injured/sick (too late to be replaced adequately) and this year we got hugley and will end up with a probably developing 5.

Geez

[Xavier]

I think you have to look and see where X can compete with the year in year out NC contenders. That’s through guards/wings IMO. With the up tempo system you lean into that. I really think the first year is a glimpse into what the system can be, but we can get better/more depth at the guard/wing spot for it. For example I would almost never expect a guy Kunkel to start for X again. Great 6th man, but talent of the guys we are bringing in are just much higher.

A Nunge/Freemantle front court fit the system well and that’s kinda the frontcourt styles we need to look for and can get. That team was in the conversation before Freemantle went down. As for this year, Freemantle/hugely/Hunter can maybe fit that. Still hoping for another center though. And I do kinda think the best way to attack portal talent (for X) is to get second change guys like Hugely or stud high school guys that didn’t pan out at first stop. I don’t really expect X to be in the conversation with the top transfer bigs every year so go after guys that fit the system well or have shown some talent and hope it pans out.

[XUGRAD80]

Over the last few years….

Duke has had 10 players transfer out. Kansas has had 15 players transfer out. It’s not a new phenomenon for this year. It’s been happening for years at these schools. During the same period, X has had 20….with several of them this year.

Oh and by the way MH……EVERY school wants to find that stud center/forward that will take them to the NC. But they are few and far between. X has done a pretty good job over the years of either recruiting and developing bigs or finding diamonds in the rough through transfers. Nunge came in with injury history also. HankyMcSpanky came from D2. Thorton came from Vanderbilt. Hill, Grant, West were not high school all American players. Xavier has TRIED to get high ranked recruit and transfer bigs, but hasn’t been very successful ever in that regard. I suggest you take off the rose colored glasses and take an unbiased and realistic look at what X has to offer compared to the schools that land those players. IMO X has been punching above it’s weight for years and years. They have some hurdles to overcome that make recruiting against the teams that regularly get the top players very very difficult. I’m sure that they will keep trying (in fact I know they are) but the odds aren’t in their favor. That’s reality.

[paulxu]

1,900 players in the portal.
Xavier at #24 predicated on the return of Freemantle and Hunter.
And this gem:

Pope's new program, Kentucky, has also dropped out because the Wildcats don't have enough players to field a lineup at this point.

It's a circus.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39895473/mens-college-basketball-way-too-early-top-25-rankings-2024-25-season

[UCGRAD4X]

1,900 players in the portal.
Xavier at #24 predicated on the return of Freemantle and Hunter.
And this gem:


It's a circus.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39895473/mens-college-basketball-way-too-early-top-25-rankings-2024-25-season


I took it as; If Free and Hunter stay healthy, they will likely move up.

One man's opinion of one man's opinion.

[A Fan]

I took it as; If Free and Hunter stay healthy, they will likely move up.

One man's opinion of one man's opinion.

Let’s face it. Absent another Big, the whole season hinges on the health of Fremantle., Hunter and Hugely. We have seen what an ineffectual front court nets you in the body banging Big East.

[Xavier]

Every season hinges on the health of the team..if another big comes in and all four get hurt we would be in trouble for sure.

[Xville]

Btw I think az state’s nil is just fine. They just got freeman and quaintance is taking a visit. Think whoever said that got some bad info

[Xavgrad08]

Xavier just got a commitment from a big Lassina Traore from Long Beach State. On paper I really like XU’s roster.

[Xville]

Xavier just got a commitment from a big Lassina Traore from Long Beach State. On paper I really like XU’s roster.

So glad to see he committed! Averaged a double double.. not bad!!

Good thing we aren’t good in the transfer portal in this new era though…. Or wait is it big men? No got two of those.. what will hett complain about? I’m sure he’ll find something!

[Xavier]

I’m optimistic about the two bigs. I think they complement each other well. But I wasn’t quite as big into the portal stuff last year so I can’t recall if Abou was looked at as a solid get, too. Again some good pieces, I think, but I’ll wait till the season starts to brag about the bigs recruitment. Luckily, those two are more complimentary pieces, where as this last season we had to completely rely on late portal players to be the entire front court.

[MHettel]

Xavier just got a commitment from a big Lassina Traore from Long Beach State. On paper I really like XU’s roster.

I like this pickup.

I think individually, each of the 5 guys we picked up (so far) are solid.

Collectively, Pros: obvious emphasis on outside shooting, rebounding and interior size. Cons: a little redundant skill sets among Foster, Maddox and Conwell. Also, not really seeing any rim protection.

Not sure where the roster sits at this point, but if we have any more spots available I’d target a younger big guy project that might be that rim protector

[XU-PA]

So glad to see he committed! Averaged a double double.. not bad!!

g!


A double double for 2 years! His soph and junior season.

[Xuperman]

A double double for 2 years! His soph and junior season.

Look, this is a total homerun IMO. Bank on the fact that Coach Miller/Staff will max this guy out.

Until something drastic changes, there is massive difficulty in competing for a BEast Championship without this kind of "unteachable" size.

[XUGRAD80]

Not sure where the roster sits at this point………

It’s not that difficult……the max roster size is 15. The max scholarships allowed are 13. They now have 11 scholarship players. That leaves 2 open scholarships/4 total open spots.

Expect X to pick up at least 1 more scholarship player, possibly 2. Most likely (IMO) to be either a freshman or international player for depth and practice purposes. Maybe both. Then add in 2-3 walk-on players to fill out the 15 person roster.

The key difference for next season vs this past season is that any players added from here on will be depth pieces and will not be expected to contribute much. That is, if the current roster can stay healthy.

[Xuperman]

This is a fascinating read.

https://www.scoopswithdannymac.com/from-unknown-to-budding-college-star-the-rise-of-lassina-traore/

[UCGRAD4X]

This is a fascinating read.

https://www.scoopswithdannymac.com/from-unknown-to-budding-college-star-the-rise-of-lassina-traore/\

I get a bit of a Romain Sato vibe; background, attitude and personality wise.

[MHettel]

It’s not that difficult……the max roster size is 15. The max scholarships allowed are 13. They now have 11 scholarship players. That leaves 2 open scholarships/4 total open spots.

Expect X to pick up at least 1 more scholarship player, possibly 2. Most likely (IMO) to be either a freshman or international player for depth and practice purposes. Maybe both. Then add in 2-3 walk-on players to fill out the 15 person roster.

The key difference for next season vs this past season is that any players added from here on will be depth pieces and will not be expected to contribute much. That is, if the current roster can stay healthy.

Well, it’s kinda difficult.

We lost Q, Abou, Ciani, Gytis, Lazar, Craft, Ducharme, Nzeh, and Claude. 9 right?

We picked up Foster, Connell, Maddox, Hugley, Traore and Powell. 6 right?

But don’t forget about Hunter and Free. I think.

But last year we also had Dayvion, Swain, Green. And walk-ons Nunge, Colbert, Saborin, and Wolf. That’s another 7.

So last year we had 9 guys that left and another 7 that stayed or were walk ons. So isn’t that 16? BEFORE counting Free and Hunter? So 18?

So back to the original question, where does the roster sit right now. For scholarship players, we have 3 returners, 5 incoming transfers, and 1 freshman. Add Free and Hunter. That’s 11. So 2 more scholarships available? Makes sense.

What doesn’t make sense is saying the max roster size is 15 when we had 18 guys last year (or 16 if you don’t count Hunter and Free).

[XUGRAD80]

Well, it’s kinda difficult.

We lost Q, Abou, Ciani, Gytis, Lazar, Craft, Ducharme, Nzeh, and Claude. 9 right?

We picked up Foster, Connell, Maddox, Hugley, Traore and Powell. 6 right?

But don’t forget about Hunter and Free. I think.

But last year we also had Dayvion, Swain, Green. And walk-ons Nunge, Colbert, Saborin, and Wolf. That’s another 7.

So last year we had 9 guys that left and another 7 that stayed or were walk ons. So isn’t that 16? BEFORE counting Free and Hunter? So 18?

So back to the original question, where does the roster sit right now. For scholarship players, we have 3 returners, 5 incoming transfers, and 1 freshman. Add Free and Hunter. That’s 11. So 2 more scholarships available? Makes sense.

What doesn’t make sense is saying the max roster size is 15 when we had 18 guys last year (or 16 if you don’t count Hunter and Free).

Well if you don’t want to take the time and effort to look at who is currently on the roster and look at the NCAA regulations, then why should expect anyone to do it for you? There are lots of sites where you can find the roster as it currently sits and a Google search will send you to the NCAA roster limits. It’s not that difficult. I really thought that the scholarship/roster limits was common knowledge. Seems it’s been discussed on this board virtually every year for as long back as I can remember. Maybe it’s time for you to do your own research?

[MHettel]

Well if you don’t want to take the time and effort to look at who is currently on the roster and look at the NCAA regulations, then why should expect anyone to do it for you? There are lots of sites where you can find the roster as it currently sits and a Google search will send you to the NCAA roster limits. It’s not that difficult. I really thought that the scholarship/roster limits was common knowledge. Seems it’s been discussed on this board virtually every year for as long back as I can remember. Maybe it’s time for you to do your own research?

this is laughable. You are asking ME to do some research. Ok.

Please explain how we had 18 guys on our roster.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/roster/_/id/2752

[Xville]

Pretty sure it’s active roster. We didn’t have 18, most x had was 15 last year and it was probably more like 14

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Btw I think az state’s nil is just fine. They just got freeman and quaintance is taking a visit. Think whoever said that got some bad info

My info comes from a booster I buy seats from, and no their NIL is not good. A lot of what they do have goes to football. This isn't in question around here.

[Xville]

My info comes from a booster I buy seats from, and no their NIL is not good. A lot of what they do have goes to football. This isn't in question around here.

Well, they must have spent a lot of it on freeman then, because all that dude cared about was a bag and he got one.

Maybe quaintance just wants a free trip to Arizona, because otherwise I dunno why’d he visit there if their nil isn’t great.

[XUGRAD80]

Pretty sure it’s active roster. We didn’t have 18, most x had was 15 last year and it was probably more like 14


He’s a clown. Wants ME to explain the rules to him because he’s either too lazy to look them up or too stupid to understand them.

[MHettel]

He’s a clown. Wants ME to explain the rules to him because he’s either too lazy to look them up or too stupid to understand them.

Somebody piss in your Wheaties today?

Facts of the matter include the ESPN roster showing that we had 18 guys. I wasnt sure if Free or Hunter actually counted. I assume not, but even so wouldnt that be 16?

And let me restate. we lost 9 guys. We are adding 5 transfers, a freshman and Free+Hunter. So we lost 9 and are adding 8. That seems like one to me. But you are saying its 2. Because it's really a cap of 13 scholarship players. And you say we now have 11.

But when I count up the scholarship players from last year I get.....Claude, Q, DMc, Abou, Gytis, Siani, Lazar, Swain, Tre, Craft, ReidD, Nzeh, Free, & Hunter. Thats 14. So someone last year didnt have a scholarship, is that what I am to conclude?

But I am NOT to conclude that whoever did not have the scholarship last year also does not have it this year. Cant conlcude that or I'll get yelled at.

heres the deal. Its fucking unclear and confusing. I didnt fucking ask what the roster size limits are or what the fucking limit is for scholarhips.

I said "Not sure where the roster sits at this point...." And I'm still not fucking sure.

[Xville]

Somebody piss in your Wheaties today?

Facts of the matter include the ESPN roster showing that we had 18 guys. I wasnt sure if Free or Hunter actually counted. I assume not, but even so wouldnt that be 16?

And let me restate. we lost 9 guys. We are adding 5 transfers, a freshman and Free+Hunter. So we lost 9 and are adding 8. That seems like one to me. But you are saying its 2. Because it's really a cap of 13 scholarship players. And you say we now have 11.

But when I count up the scholarship players from last year I get.....Claude, Q, DMc, Abou, Gytis, Siani, Lazar, Swain, Tre, Craft, ReidD, Nzeh, Free, & Hunter. Thats 14. So someone last year didnt have a scholarship, is that what I am to conclude?

But I am NOT to conclude that whoever did not have the scholarship last year also does not have it this year. Cant conlcude that or I'll get yelled at.

heres the deal. Its fucking unclear and confusing. I didnt fucking ask what the roster size limits are or what the fucking limit is for scholarhips.

I said "Not sure where the roster sits at this point...." And I'm still not fucking sure.

Do you wake up every day just looking for something to complain about? Geez. You can’t have more than 15, end of story. It’s active roster. Not hard to understand. Move on

[XUGRAD80]

Somebody piss in your Wheaties today?

Facts of the matter include the ESPN roster showing that we had 18 guys. I wasnt sure if Free or Hunter actually counted. I assume not, but even so wouldnt that be 16?

And let me restate. we lost 9 guys. We are adding 5 transfers, a freshman and Free+Hunter. So we lost 9 and are adding 8. That seems like one to me. But you are saying its 2. Because it's really a cap of 13 scholarship players. And you say we now have 11.

But when I count up the scholarship players from last year I get.....Claude, Q, DMc, Abou, Gytis, Siani, Lazar, Swain, Tre, Craft, ReidD, Nzeh, Free, & Hunter. Thats 14. So someone last year didnt have a scholarship, is that what I am to conclude?

But I am NOT to conclude that whoever did not have the scholarship last year also does not have it this year. Cant conlcude that or I'll get yelled at.

heres the deal. Its fucking unclear and confusing. I didnt fucking ask what the roster size limits are or what the fucking limit is for scholarhips.

I said "Not sure where the roster sits at this point...." And I'm still not fucking sure.

You act like you’re the f’in genius on this board, so you figure it out. Try starting by reading the NCAA rules….including any exclusions that may have occurred because of COVID years….and then look up what is their CURRENT roster.

“You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.” Laugh that off a-hole.

[murray87]

Let's get back to celebrating this commitment!! Welcome to Xavier Lassina! Let's get you to the NBA while you help Xavier to the final four!

And congrats to Sean and staff for kicking butt on building this roster!

[xu82]

Let's get back to celebrating this commitment!! Welcome to Xavier Lassina! Let's get you to the NBA while you help Xavier to the final four!

And congrats to Sean and staff for kicking butt on building this roster!

Exactly! WELCOME and I can’t wait to see this new group come together!

[Xavier]

I can’t believe what some people get worked up about on here.

[bjf123]

I can’t believe what some people get worked up about on here.

You must be new around here! [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]


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[XUGRAD80]

I can’t believe what some people get worked up about on here.

What pisses me off the most is when people don’t want to take the time to do a little research into such things as the rules, or who X is recruiting, and expect others to do so and then tell them what it is they want to know. Then when you give them the information they don’t want to accept it as correct and act like we don’t know what we are talking about. Sometimes even getting insulting in response.

And just in case MH reads this….Hunter, Free, and Craft were all listed as INACTIVE for every game last year and didn’t count against the roster or scholarship levels. That’s how they went from 18 players to 15. They can only have 15 on the ACTIVE roster. One of the scholarship players was actually paid for via the NIL and therefore didn’t count against the 13 limit on athletic scholarships. (I’m sure that Miller is hoping that he doesn’t have any players on the inactive list this year.) I found this all out by reading such sites as 24/7, Rivals, Verbal Commits, ESPN, Cincinnati.Com and the NCAA website. As I said, it’s not that difficult, just takes some time and effort.

[MHettel]

What pisses me off the most is when people don’t want to take the time to do a little research into such things as the rules, or who X is recruiting, and expect others to do so and then tell them what it is they want to know. Then when you give them the information they don’t want to accept it as correct and act like we don’t know what we are talking about. Sometimes even getting insulting in response.

And just in case MH reads this….Hunter, Free, and Craft were all listed as INACTIVE for every game last year and didn’t count against the roster or scholarship levels. That’s how they went from 18 players to 15. They can only have 15 on the ACTIVE roster. One of the scholarship players was actually paid for via the NIL and therefore didn’t count against the 13 limit on athletic scholarships. (I’m sure that Miller is hoping that he doesn’t have any players on the inactive list this year.) I found this all out by reading such sites as 24/7, Rivals, Verbal Commits, ESPN, Cincinnati.Com and the NCAA website. As I said, it’s not that difficult, just takes some time and effort.

It’s a message board. People come here all of the time in search of information.

I’ve provided a TROVE of information here (and on prior boards) for more than 25 years. I provide statistical breakdowns on players, seasons, schedules, rankings and whatever other nuance catches my eye. I share all of it. Cause it’s a message board.

[Xavier]

Do I think caring about the end of the roster is worth while? I don’t think so. Think Hett was just curious bc the numbers seemed off. Ville kinda cleared it up simply. I definitely ask questions on the board I could spend time looking up. Sometimes view it as a group chat or just as if we were hanging at the bar. Caring about the numbers seems odd, caring about someone caring about it seems odd too.

But whatever. I’m just happy it seems like Millers vacation sparked a hell of a portal run. Should go on more vacations if that’s the result

[bleedXblue]

Adults, I think...getting upset and pissed off at this stuff makes me laugh

[Xville]

Jq commits to az state. Their nil is alive and well. Although it may also have to do with producers supposedly pitching a docuseries pitching hurley and his program....so guessing that's where some of the "nil" will be coming from.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Jq commits to az state. Their nil is alive and well. Although it may also have to do with producers supposedly pitching a docuseries pitching hurley and his program....so guessing that's where some of the "nil" will be coming from.

Do they realize it’s not DAN Hurley who is coaching in Tempe???

[Xville]

Aidan Mahaney (St. Mary's) just committed to UCONN. Mcneeley, Reed and Mahaney in recent days....geesh.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Jq commits to az state. Their nil is alive and well.

He might be good and it's a good get for Hurley, but he and his family are so toxic Calipari let him walk. Plus his will be just 17 next season.

Another thing you have to consider is they aren't getting what they want for football right now. Hurley may have convinced whoever is running the NIL collective to funnel money away from football. That and ASU has had a vacant AD's office for a while. Who knows who is running the show and how much power they have. The whole situation is nuts there and it showed last year with a poor football and basketball team.

[Xville]

He might be good and it's a good get for Hurley, but he and his family are so toxic Calipari let him walk. Plus his will be just 17 next season.

Another thing you have to consider is they aren't getting what they want for football right now. Hurley may have convinced whoever is running the NIL collective to funnel money away from football. That and ASU has had a vacant AD's office for a while. Who knows who is running the show and how much power they have. The whole situation is nuts there and it showed last year with a poor football and basketball team.

Really? Based on what? I think Cal is mainly full of Shit, so if that's coming from his camp in any way I wouldn't believe any of it. Or is that what you have heard on the inside? I have heard it about a lot of other guys, but not about him so I'm curious.

The great part about JQ is he is so young, you at least (presumably) get him for two years...unless he goes and chases the bag somewhere else for the 2nd year. Regardless, that's becoming at least an interesting team if nothing else.

[MHettel]

Aidan Mahaney (St. Mary's) just committed to UCONN. Mcneeley, Reed and Mahaney in recent days....geesh.

I looked at Mahaney's stats several days ago...and they are not that impressive. Hes a good player but I think hes way overrated. Im sure Uconn will finda way to use him effectively.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Aidan Mahaney (St. Mary's) just committed to UCONN. Mcneeley, Reed and Mahaney in recent days....geesh.

Hopefully we hold him to 15% shooting at least 2 more times next year!

[Xville]

Garrison committed to uk this morning. Kind of seems out of left field.

[bleedXblue]

Garrison committed to uk this morning. Kind of seems out of left field.

have a weird feeling thats where Des is going to end up

[MHettel]

have a weird feeling thats where Des is going to end up

Playing PG?

My theory here is that he was leaving for the money, bnut just didnt want to admit it. So he used the "cover story" of leaving to play PG somewhere. the consensus of alot of people here was that in order to play PG, he would have to "drop down" a level. And Kentucky is certainly not "dropping down."

It will be interesting. If he ends up at a "blue blood" or top program its pretty obvious that it was always about the money....unless he ends up as the PG which I doubt.

[Xville]

have a weird feeling thats where Des is going to end up

I’ll never say never but I highly doubt it. Their roster in the guard department is pretty much set.


There’s quite a bit of smoke around usc. Makes sense, he fits the muss bus style.

[Xville]

Playing PG?

My theory here is that he was leaving for the money, bnut just didnt want to admit it. So he used the "cover story" of leaving to play PG somewhere. the consensus of alot of people here was that in order to play PG, he would have to "drop down" a level. And Kentucky is certainly not "dropping down."

It will be interesting. If he ends up at a "blue blood" or top program its pretty obvious that it was always about the money....unless he ends up as the PG which I doubt.

There’s no cover story. That’s what his family was concerned abou and it’s been since freshman year. . He was getting and offered plenty of money at x.

Now will he and his fam get what he wants at the level they want? That remains to be seen, but the money was secondary in this case.

[MHettel]

There’s no cover story. That’s what his family was concerned abou and it’s been since freshman year. . He was getting and offered plenty of money at x.

Now will he and his fam get what he wants at the level they want? That remains to be seen, but the money was secondary in this case.

But where he ultimately decides to go, and what position he plays there will reveal alot, yes?

[MHettel]

Dwon Odom officially showing on the 24/7 site. He's just been added today, so hes not yet ranked. But his "score" is .9600. Claude is ranked #41 with a score of .9500.

So presumably Odom is ranked higher than #41????

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Two spots to fill, I have heard zero rumblings about who that might fill those spots. I wonder what Sean is thinking. Maybe snatch up a steal or two younger transfers or an uncommitted Freshman to pair with Powell.

[xukeith]

I think X is looking soley for either a bench post player, or a high school guy with lots of potential and athleticism.

[UCGRAD4X]

or another fer'ner

[MHettel]

I'd prefer Interior depth. Not a project or young guy. More of a veteran that has already been successfull at a lower level and is fine with a minimal role at a much higher level. Just a guy that has one year left and says to himself "i'd like to experience this at the highest level". he knows he may not play, but its worth the "ride"

Injury insurance.

[Xavier]

I guess everyone has their reasons but a guy who has one year left to play basketball and wants to use it by moving up a level to ride the bench sounds like a guy not worth having. Maybe they don’t care about playing and want a walk on roll now? Or know they don’t have a future in playing so maybe get connections and stuff under Miller before trying the coaching route? Either way give me a project over a guy who is ok riding the bench.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Jayden Quaintance signed with ASU (disagreement but all the rumor around here is that his family is extremely difficult to deal with), Jaden Smith decommitted from ASU as a result. I would take a guy like that. Take a new freshman, no NIL worry or at least super limited, and maybe he develops and stays. Use the other spot on a guard, there are TONS in the portal will have several left without a seat once the deadline looms.

[XUBison]

Our roster does seem to be in a good position to take on one of those freshman thingies.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

11 full spots and only 1 freshman player, we are good and 6 spots are taken by players that will exhaust eligibility.

[MHettel]

I guess everyone has their reasons but a guy who has one year left to play basketball and wants to use it by moving up a level to ride the bench sounds like a guy not worth having. Maybe they don’t care about playing and want a walk on roll now? Or know they don’t have a future in playing so maybe get connections and stuff under Miller before trying the coaching route? Either way give me a project over a guy who is ok riding the bench.

this IS the challenge, right? At this point, WHOEVER you bring in must be OK with the possibility that they have an extremely limited role....or potentially no role at all.

Im thinking about Malcom Bernard or Kyle Castlin. These guys had important roles on lesser teams. They transferred "up" for the experience, knowing they would be rotation guys at best. Might not even be able to entice guys like this with the prospect of ZERO PT.

I just dont see ANYONE being that interested

[Xville]

Five guys next year that will exhaust their eligibility, is that right?

McKnight
Free
Rome
Foster
Maddox

Everyone else could come back?

Love that Conwell. Hugely and traore could come back. Keep those together with swain and green and at least x is getting back to a place of some development and stability as much as that’s possible in today’s game.

Going forward I’d think the formula goes something like this:


1-2 freshmen
4-5 developing core (previous transfers with more than a year of eligibility and previous freshmen, sophs)
4-5 transfers

[bjf123]

At this point, I’m not going to expect anyone to return. If they do, I’ll consider it a bonus.


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[Xville]

At this point, I’m not going to expect anyone to return. If they do, I’ll consider it a bonus.


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Absolutely fair. I do think or at least hope that because this is the last year of the Covid baloney, that next year may not be as nuts.. it will still be chaos but maybe we are at the apex of it and things will settle at least a bit. What also gives me hope is that the only one we have lost that we didn’t want to was Claude over the last three years.

[D-West & PO-Z]

this IS the challenge, right? At this point, WHOEVER you bring in must be OK with the possibility that they have an extremely limited role....or potentially no role at all.

Im thinking about Malcom Bernard or Kyle Castlin. These guys had important roles on lesser teams. They transferred "up" for the experience, knowing they would be rotation guys at best. Might not even be able to entice guys like this with the prospect of ZERO PT.

I just dont see ANYONE being that interested

Not even them. Bernard played 28 mins a game, only 4 less per than the year before at his previous school.

Castlin played 22 mins per game, only 2.5 mins less per game than the year before at his previous school.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Kalkbrenner is coming back to Creighton? Ugh. Get that guy outta there. Didn't realize he had a year left.

[MHettel]

Absolutely fair. I do think or at least hope that because this is the last year of the Covid baloney, that next year may not be as nuts.. it will still be chaos but maybe we are at the apex of it and things will settle at least a bit. What also gives me hope is that the only one we have lost that we didn’t want to was Claude over the last three years.

Next year will be even WORSE in the portal. You have essentailly 2 CLASSES of guys that are exhausting their eligibility. All the 5th year guys will be done, and so will the traditional 4th year guys. So more guys finishing up next year than in a "normal" year. Now, it wont be twice as many guys becausue not everyone that had a 5th year took advantage of it, but there will be far more open roster spots than typical. Which means there will be alot more competition for the available portal talent AND a bunch of freshmen coming in that would have otherwise not been D1 material.

Major drop off in talent across the NCAA coming in 2 years. Then it will take a few years and it will be back to normal.\

The Covid idea was just fucking stupid.

[Xavier]

Kalkbrenner is coming back to Creighton? Ugh. Get that guy outta there. Didn't realize he had a year left.

One of the big benefits of NIL. Not really his case, but guys who normally would declare just to start career in Europe will Stick around.

[profson]

One of the big benefits of NIL. Not really his case, but guys who normally would declare just to start career in Europe will Stick around.

It is precisely his case. He can make big NIL at the college level and is not even listed in a number of mock drafts.

[D-West & PO-Z]

One of the big benefits of NIL. Not really his case, but guys who normally would declare just to start career in Europe will Stick around.

Exactly the case for Kalkbrenner. I just didn’t realize he had another year left.

[Xavier]

Yeah I guess so, thought maybe he’d have a shot at being drafted in the second round. Doesn’t appear to be the case.

[Xville]

as hinted about for a few days on here....Claude to USC is official. Good spot for him on the muss bus. I wish him well.

Also, as discussed, these quotes from Claude is quite telling as to why he left X "Also, coach Musselman has a proven track record over the past several years of helping big lead guards make the jump to being NBA-ready guards."

"The vision that Coach Musselman laid out for me blends perfectly with my playmaking ability, NBA aspirations and ongoing development as a lead guard"

[XU-PA]

Kalkbrenner is coming back to Creighton? Ugh. Get that guy outta there. Didn't realize he had a year left.
Another year of no calls on moving screens.

[HomerCecil]

I never really thought of Des as much of a distributor, personally. He averaged 3.2 assists and 2.2 turnovers per game last year. I never thought of Colby as a point guard either and he made the league. That said, he's certainly very talented and I wish him well.

[MHettel]

I never really thought of Des as much of a distributor, personally. He averaged 3.2 assists and 2.2 turnovers per game last year. I never thought of Colby as a point guard either and he made the league. That said, he's certainly very talented and I wish him well.

Claude needs to work on his deep shooting. If he does that he's in the NBA as a 2/3 wing guy.

I dont know why he's focused on showing his PG skills. If he cant shoot, hes not going to make the NBA....ever.

hes focusing on the wrong thing.

[bjf123]

Another year of no calls on moving screens.

Sad, but true.


"The vision that Coach Musselman laid out for me blends perfectly with my playmaking ability, NBA aspirations and ongoing development as a lead guard"

Lead guard? That’s a new one on me.


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[Xville]

I never really thought of Des as much of a distributor, personally. He averaged 3.2 assists and 2.2 turnovers per game last year. I never thought of Colby as a point guard either and he made the league. That said, he's certainly very talented and I wish him well.

I mean I agree, but he also never got a chance, which is why he left. Miller thought Mcknight was a better fit for the role, and that's fine, he knows more than us. However, he could be wrong. Regardless, no hard feelings from me either way. I wish Des all the best and hope hes playing in the tourney this coming season.

[94GRAD]

Five guys next year that will exhaust their eligibility, is that right?

McKnight
Free
Rome
Foster
Maddox

Everyone else could come back?

Love that Conwell. Hugely and traore could come back. Keep those together with swain and green and at least x is getting back to a place of some development and stability as much as that’s possible in today’s game.

Going forward I’d think the formula goes something like this:


1-2 freshmen
4-5 developing core (previous transfers with more than a year of eligibility and previous freshmen, sophs)
4-5 transfers

Freemantle will exhaust his eligibility as well

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Freemantle will exhaust his eligibility as well

Traore has one year left as well. We will lose 6 who exhaust eligibility.

[Xville]

Traore has one year left as well. We will lose 6 who exhaust eligibility.

ha. I was counting on the covid year for him...now i realize, he actually didn't have a covid year lol.

[IM4X]

It is precisely his case. He can make big NIL at the college level and is not even listed in a number of mock drafts.


A bit surprising he is not considered a late first round/early second round pick as he is pretty good at almost everything- including defending in the paint.

[xu82]

Every season is like a new pickup game.

[X-band '01]

as hinted about for a few days on here....Claude to USC is official. Good spot for him on the muss bus. I wish him well.

Also, as discussed, these quotes from Claude is quite telling as to why he left X "Also, coach Musselman has a proven track record over the past several years of helping big lead guards make the jump to being NBA-ready guards."

"The vision that Coach Musselman laid out for me blends perfectly with my playmaking ability, NBA aspirations and ongoing development as a lead guard"

At least he gets two chances a year now to call Mick Cronin a chickenshit goatfucker.

[XUBison]

Sad, but true.



Lead guard? That’s a new one on me.


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that stood out to me too, like he was going out of his way not to use the term “point guard“. Obviously, that’s what he meant, but maybe he didn’t get very strong assurances to that effect. It will be interesting to see how much run at PG he ends up getting at USC.

[XUBison]

I mean I agree, but he also never got a chance, which is why he left. Miller thought Mcknight was a better fit for the role, and that's fine, he knows more than us. However, he could be wrong. Regardless, no hard feelings from me either way. I wish Des all the best and hope hes playing in the tourney this coming season.

I like McKnight, but he’s not an NBA player. I realize McKnight has one position, but I suspect Claude would be our starting point guard if Sean thought he was an NBA point guard.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I like McKnight, but he’s not an NBA player. I realize McKnight has one position, but I suspect Claude would be our starting point guard if Sean thought he was an NBA point guard.

This is 100% true, I am going to guess Musselman will do his best with Claude at that spot but move him if/when it does not work out. I like Claude and really hope it does. There are too many good/great defenses in the B1G. He should have gone to Illinois, Underwood taught Domask how to play the point. It created large mismatches he could take advantage.

[MHettel]

that stood out to me too, like he was going out of his way not to use the term “point guard“. Obviously, that’s what he meant, but maybe he didn’t get very strong assurances to that effect. It will be interesting to see how much run at PG he ends up getting at USC.

I think using the term "lead guard" is certainly vague at a minimum and deceptive at worst. i suspected he would follow the money. The "word" was that he was looking for PG role. Had he found a PG role at USC, he could have just said that. Lead Guard is not EXACTLY PG, but it kinda is.

For those that wondered what the phrase "have your cake and eat it too" means. Well this is it.

[Xville]

I think using the term "lead guard" is certainly vague at a minimum and deceptive at worst. i suspected he would follow the money. The "word" was that he was looking for PG role. Had he found a PG role at USC, he could have just said that. Lead Guard is not EXACTLY PG, but it kinda is.

For those that wondered what the phrase "have your cake and eat it too" means. Well this is it.

Whatever fits your narrative. Lead guard is point guard.

[Xavier]

Exactly. Guessing Muss was using “lead guard” as a way to say he doesn’t have one real PG but a bunch of guys that are similar. Good for him, If what’s true about his “teams” demands were, then he isn’t an easy guy to root for. It could be a win win. He’s the first substantial player to leave on his own (won’t be the last) but the guys who replaced him might make the team better anyways.

Once he left- outside of bball I’d say he hit a home run. X doesn’t compare (campus, girls, weather, etc). But is USC currently looked at as on the same level bball wise? Feels like best case it’s a lateral move, but as a program over the last 20’yesrs I’m not sure how it compares

[drudy23]

I take "lead guard" as meaning "the guy" - this past year, Quincy was "the guy". Wondering if Claude felt like he was playing second fiddle to Q, and that Sean is always going to look for that lead guard (PG or not) that fits best in Sean's system.

So not necessarily wanting to be PG, but the guy that it's all built around.

[MHettel]

Whatever fits your narrative. Lead guard is point guard.

No. Point Guard is Point Guard.

Lead guard is vague enough to satisfy his claim that he was looking for a PG role.

This is very purposeful language.

It’s money.

[Xuperman]

"he made the league".

Can this ridiculous non stop misnomer end.......IT'S the ASSOCIATION!!!

[MHettel]

I take "lead guard" as meaning "the guy" - this past year, Quincy was "the guy". Wondering if Claude felt like he was playing second fiddle to Q, and that Sean is always going to look for that lead guard (PG or not) that fits best in Sean's system.

So not necessarily wanting to be PG, but the guy that it's all built around.

But he had that at X.

[Xavier]

Maybe. I think Quincy was more of “the guy”. With Freemantle back I expect him to be more of a focal point in half court offense (if there is one, feels like it will be spread around a bit).

For what it’s worth the other board said he was offered $500K at X, but it was to play the wing. X was going to find another guard to go with McKnight in the backcourt. So essentially his same role and spot this past year, with what I’d assume being less usage in half court offense….since, on paper, we have a capable front court

[MHettel]

Maybe. I think Quincy was more of “the guy”. With Freemantle back I expect him to be more of a focal point in half court offense (if there is one, feels like it will be spread around a bit).

For what it’s worth the other board said he was offered $500K at X, but it was to play the wing. X was going to find another guard to go with McKnight in the backcourt. So essentially his same role and spot this past year, with what I’d assume being less usage in half court offense….since, on paper, we have a capable front court

Ok. But now the story gets spread even thinner. First, it’s that he wants to be PG. fine. Then do it. Now he’s a lead guard. Which gets translated as the man, which we can’t be because Fremantle is back who is a forward.

The argument collapses on itself. Is he trying to be a PG?

Play at X, for half a million bucks for a coach that has a clue how to get guys to the NBA and would have a real perspective give on your potential. Or, decide you need more than that.

I don’t really care to be honest. I thought Claude was great. And I’d like for have watched what he could become in an XU uniform after 4 years. But that’s not important to him, so he’s not important to me.

I said previously that we’d win the “trade” by gaining Foster, Conwell and Maddox while losing Q and Des.

We will be fine. Possibly better. I hope Des made the right decision for the right reason.

[Xavier]

….PG and “the man” can’t both be true?

At the end of the day I couldn’t care less, I agree. I think X won the “trade” and is more versatile with more shooting on the court. And I would’ve been happy if Claude stayed. But don’t think he showed much as a PG, and X would’ve been best suited as him being a wing player again. Sounds like it worked out best for both parties

[xudash]

The USC message board is rather ecstatic over the news. Someone there also posted a highlights video.

His primary dream is the NBA. we couldn’t reach mutually beneficial ground with him.

I wish him the best. I wish we still had him. But I do understand that we will be better overall moving forward.

[MHettel]

Lots of agreement with the last 2 posts.

Best of luck, Des!

[D-West & PO-Z]

I think using the term "lead guard" is certainly vague at a minimum and deceptive at worst. i suspected he would follow the money. The "word" was that he was looking for PG role. Had he found a PG role at USC, he could have just said that. Lead Guard is not EXACTLY PG, but it kinda is.

For those that wondered what the phrase "have your cake and eat it too" means. Well this is it.

It's amazing, how in despite of all the evidence in any given situation being against you, you have an ability to declare yourself right.

I'm not sure if there is a single word for irrational confidence, but if there was, Hett's picture would be next to it in the dictionary.

[D-West & PO-Z]

No. Point Guard is Point Guard.

Lead guard is vague enough to satisfy his claim that he was looking for a PG role.

This is very purposeful language.

It’s money.

Please enlighten us with what Claude was making in NIL at X and what he is now making at USC. Since you must know all the details given your irrationally confident declaration.

Lead guard is a PG, or at least the guard with the ball in their hands.

It's exactly what Claude said it was and exactly like I predicted he would at best be looking at a lateral move program wise if he wanted to be PG.

You are such a blowhard, I can't believe anyone takes you seriously.

[UCGRAD4X]

I take "lead guard" as meaning "the guy" - this past year, Quincy was "the guy". Wondering if Claude felt like he was playing second fiddle to Q, and that Sean is always going to look for that lead guard (PG or not) that fits best in Sean's system.

So not necessarily wanting to be PG, but the guy that it's all built around.


But he had that at X.

Clearly Des was supposed to be "the guy" going into the season, especially without Free, and he was to some degree much of the season. He was still the player that was talked about. If Olivari supplanted him, it was because he took it away. He earned it. He produced. Des did some good stuff and had some great games. He fell short at the end of games and really couldn't be a closer. It wasn't like Miller decided Claude was not going to be his go-to. I suspect Miller wanted him to. Claude didn't grab the ring. He didn't like the heat. He got out of the kitchen. Don't let the door...

[Xville]

Please enlighten us with what Claude was making in NIL at X and what he is now making at USC. Since you must know all the details given your irrationally confident declaration.

Lead guard is a PG, or at least the guard with the ball in their hands.

It's exactly what Claude said it was and exactly like I predicted he would at best be looking at a lateral move program wise if he wanted to be PG.

You are such a blowhard, I can't believe anyone takes you seriously.

Yep 100%. Had little to do with money and more about position which is what we said all along, Claude proves that and makes a statement attributing the switch to exactly that and hett still thinks he’s right lol. It’s amazing.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

No. Point Guard is Point Guard.

Lead guard is vague enough to satisfy his claim that he was looking for a PG role.

This is very purposeful language.

It’s money.

I suppose this is the type of argument we have on this board out of season. That said, you are, in my opinion, correct. This was a money grab. Pure and simple. "Point guard" has a very specific meaning. We all know what it means and there is no confusion. BTW, USC issued the statement not Claude. They used a term "lead guard" which has no specific meaning. This was purposeful. Why? Simply to deflect any conclusion that Claude's transfer was about money. He's not playing PG. Pretty easy to see what is going on here.

That said, players can move for any reason they want. And even those of us that hate where college basketball is and where it is heading these days, can acknowledge the players should make decisions about their careers that they believe are in their own best interest. And yes, I think X is better off in the end. So maybe everybody wins here.

[Xville]

I’d love to be enlightened on how some people think this was a money grab. He was going to make 500k at x so I’d love to hear what you all think he got at usc. It’s baloney.

In the end I wouldn’t care, except that you are attacking a person’s character who played for x btw by making such statements that are frankly wrong. But go on I guess.

Good luck to Claude. One thing I am in agreement with is that I think both parties are better off even though I’d still love to have him on the team.

[MHettel]

I’d love to be enlightened on how some people think this was a money grab. He was going to make 500k at x so I’d love to hear what you all think he got at usc. It’s baloney.

In the end I wouldn’t care, except that you are attacking a person’s character who played for x btw by making such statements that are frankly wrong. But go on I guess.

Good luck to Claude. One thing I am in agreement with is that I think both parties are better off even though I’d still love to have him on the team.

Why don’t you tell us what he got at USC? In fact, what is your source for the claim he was offered 500k at XU?

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

I’d love to be enlightened on how some people think this was a money grab. He was going to make 500k at x so I’d love to hear what you all think he got at usc. It’s baloney.

In the end I wouldn’t care, except that you are attacking a person’s character who played for x btw by making such statements that are frankly wrong. But go on I guess.

Good luck to Claude. One thing I am in agreement with is that I think both parties are better off even though I’d still love to have him on the team.

I'm not attacking anyone's character. I'm speculating, based on the circumstances and statements, that Claude made the move for compensation. That is acceptable. People do it all the time. You seem to think if he did opt for a better payday, that would be a character flaw. You are displaying bias, not me.

As far as the evidence, it has been presented (that which is available). Just read the thread.

Whatever Claude was getting paid at X, it is not an outlandish assumption to think his upside is better at USC. Bronny James did pretty well.

I simply disagree with you. Thanks for allowing that. It is becoming a lost art on this board. I don't read this board to see who agrees with me. I read to see who doesn't and what their argument is. Look at the evidence. Analyze it and make your case. Don't impugn improper motives to those who disagree.

[murray87]

Speaking of Bronny James, I guess he's still in the portal and/or thinking he's got a shot at the NBA? What if he returned to USC?

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Speaking of Bronny James, I guess he's still in the portal and/or thinking he's got a shot at the NBA? What if he returned to USC?

I saw James play several times this year on TV on the Pac12 network. He is not even close to being ready for the NBA. That said, the NBA is way more political than anyone believes. I could see him on a roster with his dad merely to get his dad to sign for a more reasonable price. I also doubt very much Musselman really wants him.

[Xville]

Why don’t you tell us what he got at USC? In fact, what is your source for the claim he was offered 500k at XU?

As I have said before I know those within the program. Whether you believe that or not, I don’t care. I’m just tired of people spewing nonsense they know nothing about. It’s fine to speculate but when multiple people are telling you on the board you are wrong, you still seem to not care and just continue to spew nonsense because you want to be right. You come up with a narrative and won’t let it go no matter how many have told you you’re wrong.

The other board also have lots of people very well connected to the program, and they have all said the same thing. If you don’t believe me, maybe believe them.

[drudy23]

But he had that at X.

Not sure that he did with the guys Sean brought in. Don't think Sean sees him like Claude sees himself.

If Sean saw him as that lead guy, he wouldn't be at USC right now.

[drudy23]

I saw James play several times this year on TV on the Pac12 network. He is not even close to being ready for the NBA. That said, the NBA is way more political than anyone believes. I could see him on a roster with his dad merely to get his dad to sign for a more reasonable price. I also doubt very much Musselman really wants him.

It would be hilarious if Lebron tried to broker a Lebron/Bronny tandem and no one bit, and neither played a(nother) game in the NBA.

But it looks like Lebron just got his coach fired again, and I'm sure anyone they bring in will be because of Lebron's desire to play with his kid. My guess is that he's already ironed that out with JJ Redick as his personal choice (trying to find his young Steve Kerr).

Most of Lebron's moves are calculated to benefit him, but he's not very good at it.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

It would be hilarious if Lebron tried to broker a Lebron/Bronny tandem and no one bit, and neither played a(nother) game in the NBA.

But it looks like Lebron just got his coach fired again, and I'm sure anyone they bring in will be because of Lebron's desire to play with his kid. My guess is that he's already ironed that out with JJ Redick as his personal choice (trying to find his young Steve Kerr).

Most of Lebron's moves are calculated to benefit him, but he's not very good at it.

Pretty sure Antetokoumpo or whatever does that at Milwaukee. If you took only the best, I am pretty sure Thansis would not be on that roster or any roster.

[drudy23]

Pretty sure Antetokoumpo or whatever does that at Milwaukee. If you took only the best, I am pretty sure Thansis would not be on that roster or any roster.

Well it makes sense when Giannis is 25 and Lebron is pushing 40 (and his kid isn't NBA caliber).

He might still pull it off, but Lebron is pretty much past the point of this type of demand and control. In saying that, there's a GM out there that will do it, and it won't end well. But Lebron doesn't care, because all he really cares about is having the power.

[MHettel]

Not sure that he did with the guys Sean brought in. Don't think Sean sees him like Claude sees himself.

If Sean saw him as that lead guy, he wouldn't be at USC right now.

I think Sean knew Claude was leaving well before it was official. I dont think we could have brought Foster, Conwell and Maddox in if they all believed Claude would also still be here. There just wanst room. Had Claude not left, we'd probably have either Conwell or Maddox, but probably not both.

Sean saw Claude shoot last year. He also saw an offense that was pretty bad in the halfcourt. We needed shooting and he got some. Claude was gonna be back at the 3 in a starring role.

[MHettel]

As I have said before I know those within the program. Whether you believe that or not, I don’t care. I’m just tired of people spewing nonsense they know nothing about. It’s fine to speculate but when multiple people are telling you on the board you are wrong, you still seem to not care and just continue to spew nonsense because you want to be right. You come up with a narrative and won’t let it go no matter how many have told you you’re wrong.

The other board also have lots of people very well connected to the program, and they have all said the same thing. If you don’t believe me, maybe believe them.

so back to the question. How much did he get at USC? If you show me some evidence that he took LESS to go to USC, then I'll eat my words.

[XUGRAD80]

Sometimes we should just take what players say, as truth. Claude said that USC would make him their “lead” guy. Does that mean he would be the pg? Or just their go-to guy when they needed a big shot made? Or something else? Only time will tell. I have no idea what he will make in the NIL system. I did hear from a very good source that he WANTED 500K from X. Maybe they said OK and he still left, maybe they said no and USC said yes. I’ve no way of knowing and frankly don’t care. Maybe they both said Ok but X wouldn’t commit to making him their “lead” guy? Who knows and why should we care? I don’t think that any of us will ever know the full story anyway. Let it go.

But with Powell now gone too……does X add more transfers or some developmental freshman now? Mixture of both? If so, how many? I can’t see them leaving 3 scholarships open, so I’d guess they add 2 more players of some type,

[MHettel]

Sometimes we should just take what players say, as truth. Claude said that USC would make him their “lead” guy. Does that mean he would be the pg? Or just their go-to guy when they needed a big shot made? Or something else? Only time will tell. I have no idea what he will make in the NIL system. I did hear from a very good source that he WANTED 500K from X. Maybe they said OK and he still left, maybe they said no and USC said yes. I’ve no way of knowing and frankly don’t care. Maybe they both said Ok but X wouldn’t commit to making him their “lead” guy? Who knows and why should we care? I don’t think that any of us will ever know the full story anyway. Let it go.

But with Powell now gone too……does X add more transfers or some developmental freshman now? Mixture of both? If so, how many? I can’t see them leaving 3 scholarships open, so I’d guess they add 2 more players of some type,

I don’t know of any freshmen that are decent and uncommitted. But again, we see what happened to Powell. But even if there were freshmen out there, I doubt they would come here due to the same reason Powell left. We are 2 deep at every position with experienced players.

Maybe we should just grab 3 random Euro players?

[noteggs]

Posh Alexander to Dayton. Strange

Going to all may favorite schools. If he had another year (he doesn’t), I’d expect him at sUCks next year.

[bjf123]

How many of these players transferring every year will actually have a college degree when they’ve exhausted their eligibility?


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[GreatWhiteNorth]

We don’t need more guards but we still need player(s) for the 5 position. Any big tall body is better than none to play 10+ mins a game.

[Section 200]

Posh Alexander to Dayton. Strange

Going to all may favorite schools. If he had another year (he doesn’t), I’d expect him at sUCks next year.

Haha on Posh to UC! St Johns to Butler to Dayton - what a journey. Seems like we constantly played against him

[MHettel]

How many of these players transferring every year will actually have a college degree when they’ve exhausted their eligibility?


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None. What does that have to do with any of this? (Sarcasm font)

[XUGRAD80]

I don’t know of any freshmen that are decent and uncommitted. But again, we see what happened to Powell. But even if there were freshmen out there, I doubt they would come here due to the same reason Powell left. We are 2 deep at every position with experienced players.

Maybe we should just grab 3 random Euro players?

Out of all of the thousands of high school graduates looking to play in college you don’t think that there are any that understand that they aren’t ready to play significant minutes at a major college and are willing to still come for the coaching and development that they will receive? I know that when I came in many many years ago nobody promised me that I would start and I wasn’t expecting to. I also know several HS kids that I’ve coached over the years that went on to college and didn’t expect to start or play a lot as freshman. Some did, most didn’t. There are still lots and lots of kids that just want a chance. I’d guess that X could find at least a couple of players that fit that mold.

Besides….you really do need more than 10 players on the roster to have good practices. There are going to be kids that get hurt, sick, or just tired during the season and need a break. Having players that can jump into practice sessions to serve as a scout team is essential for good team prep.

[MHettel]

Out of all of the thousands of high school graduates looking to play in college you don’t think that there are any that understand that they aren’t ready to play significant minutes at a major college and are willing to still come for the coaching and development that they will receive? I know that when I came in many many years ago nobody promised me that I would start and I wasn’t expecting to. I also know several HS kids that I’ve coached over the years that went on to college and didn’t expect to start or play a lot as freshman. Some did, most didn’t. There are still lots and lots of kids that just want a chance. I’d guess that X could find at least a couple of players that fit that mold.

Besides….you really do need more than 10 players on the roster to have good practices. There are going to be kids that get hurt, sick, or just tired during the season and need a break. Having players that can jump into practice sessions to serve as a scout team is essential for good team prep.

I think there are very few guys that meet your scenario 1) uncommitted 2) Has the raw potential (either size or athleticism) to be WORTH us investing our development resources on and, 3) Willing to sit for 1-2 years.

I'm assuming from your "name" that you are somewhere 65 years old or over. Describing your experience 45 years ago is irrelevant. Have you MET kids that age now days. They will expect immediate playing time. And they will pout and transfer if they dont get it. Not all of them, but most of them.

Look at the roster: Freemantle has played 105 games, started 78. Hunter 127 & 36. McKnight 128 & 116. Conwell 70 &59. Maddox 106 & 81. Foster 112 &80. Hugley 71 & 39. Traore 87 & 67. Green Played in 33 games. Swain played 29 with 3 starts.

Thats 868 combined games played. 10 Guys. Thats an average of 87 games per guy. 87 games is about 2.5 years.

So imagine a roster of 10 guys that are half way through their junior season (2.5 years). No 18 year old kid is gonna crack that lineup. I dont know why you would even think you COULD.

Now that I think about it, we could possibly go after one more pure PG. I think backup PG is the best shot that Green has to get some minutes and I think had be brought a backup in, Green probably would just transfer. Now that the window is closed, maybe that will happen...

[XUGRAD80]

MH….yes I have met kids that age. And very recently. And worked as a volunteer coach with them. And also seen them through a military eye. So I’d say that my opinion and observations of them is going to be a little bit different than someone that only sees them from afar and only reads about them. A lot of it comes down to how they were raised and where they went to school. If they were raised and educated right they don’t expect things to be handed to them any more than we did when we came out of HS and went into college. They expect to earn those things and don’t shy away from a challenge. I will contend that there are LOTS of kids like that still out there today.

WORTH the time and investment? That’s a hard question to answer because it means projecting out 2-3 years or more. Not only projecting what the potential of the kid is, but also what the potential changes in the college rules will be. At the same time, what is really different about that than it has been? The Euro players that X brought in this past year, and the freshman like Nzeh, weren’t expected to be major contributors at the time that they were recruited. Only injury and sickness caused that to change. X has recruited many projects over the years. Some have worked out, but most have not. That doesn’t mean that you stop looking for those kids, signing them, and developing them. Not every kid is going to look to leave after a year or two because they aren’t playing much, and even some kids that are getting lots of playing time will decide to leave anyway. There are no absolutes in regards to what kids will do because of how much or how little playing time they get.

[MHettel]

MH….yes I have met kids that age. And very recently. And worked as a volunteer coach with them. And also seen them through a military eye. So I’d say that my opinion and observations of them is going to be a little bit different than someone that only sees them from afar and only reads about them. A lot of it comes down to how they were raised and where they went to school. If they were raised and educated right they don’t expect things to be handed to them any more than we did when we came out of HS and went into college. They expect to earn those things and don’t shy away from a challenge. I will contend that there are LOTS of kids like that still out there today.

WORTH the time and investment? That’s a hard question to answer because it means projecting out 2-3 years or more. Not only projecting what the potential of the kid is, but also what the potential changes in the college rules will be. At the same time, what is really different about that than it has been? The Euro players that X brought in this past year, and the freshman like Nzeh, weren’t expected to be major contributors at the time that they were recruited. Only injury and sickness caused that to change. X has recruited many projects over the years. Some have worked out, but most have not. That doesn’t mean that you stop looking for those kids, signing them, and developing them. Not every kid is going to look to leave after a year or two because they aren’t playing much, and even some kids that are getting lots of playing time will decide to leave anyway. There are no absolutes in regards to what kids will do because of how much or how little playing time they get.

I’m not arguing against bringing in a “project” that could develop in 2-3 years. But our recent track record of guys like that (Miles as an example) has been poor. I thought Nzeh was on track to contribute as early as this year then….poof. Transferred.

But yeah, I try another project but I just don’t see where there would be one available at this stage of the process.

I didn’t mind the Euro attempt last year, but none of those guys worked out. You could argue that they weren’t meant to play so much, but remember these are the guys we got AFTER Free and Hunter went down. So, yeah, they kinda were expected to play.

I think to succeed in the Big East, you need to have one of these 4 attributes that is at an “elite” level. Size, athleticism, skill, Bball IQ. Ideally, one of these areas is VERY strong while several of the others are above average. I cannot say that even one of those Euro guys was above average in even one of those categories.

[XUGRAD80]

I’m not arguing against bringing in a “project” that could develop in 2-3 years. But our recent track record of guys like that (Miles as an example) has been poor. I thought Nzeh was on track to contribute as early as this year then….poof. Transferred.

But yeah, I try another project but I just don’t see where there would be one available at this stage of the process.

I didn’t mind the Euro attempt last year, but none of those guys worked out. You could argue that they weren’t meant to play so much, but remember these are the guys we got AFTER Free and Hunter went down. So, yeah, they kinda were expected to play.

I think to succeed in the Big East, you need to have one of these 4 attributes that is at an “elite” level. Size, athleticism, skill, Bball IQ. Ideally, one of these areas is VERY strong while several of the others are above average. I cannot say that even one of those Euro guys was above average in even one of those categories.

You can’t go back to looking at the players that Steele brought to X and use that for any meaningful conclusions. Miles wasn’t a Miller recruit. And I’ll argue that you can’t look at the Foreign players recruited during the months of July and August either. You’ve got to look for Miller’s success with foreign players over the many years of his career, and he has had some for sure. He has stated that he will recruit HS players that can either come in right away and play or are willing to sit for a year (maybe 2) and develop. That indicates to me that he believes that they are out there. Since he and his recruiting staff have far more information on players around the country (about 73,000 high school senior BB players this year alone) than you or I can ever hope to have, and he feels that there are players like that out there, I’m going to have to go with his opinion over yours. Sorry, but there’s a reason he is where he is and we are where we are.

[Xville]

It will be interesting to see how Miller and staff fill out the rest of this roster. Developing big man? One more wing?

He's made it clear there will be at least one more addition and possibly two.

[GoMuskies]

I can't be the only one who lost track of this thread amid some of the arguments and had to Google that Ciani commited to UIC, Ducharme went to Siena and Craft is headed to Miami. So if anyone else missed those, there you go!

Feel like Nzeh to Penn State and Djokovic to Charleston were more widely covered.

[xukeith]

To be fair, you would have to include the 2023/24 season as a down year for Miller.
All the frosh transferring, dissapointing transfers/ and poorly skilled Euros are evidence that Miller, for whatever reason,
could not get those guys to compete in the BE.
Were they poorly skilled and experienced? Yes.
Was it Miller's best coaching year? No.
Does it make Miller a lousy coach? No.

I add it to Miller's resume for unusual conditions.

[muskiefan82]

In perhaps the COOLEST piece of news, Brad "The Mullet" Colbert is returning and he will be ON SCHOLARSHIP. This is the best thing I've heard in a while and the best use of one of the unfilled scholarships I can think of.

[MHettel]

You can’t go back to looking at the players that Steele brought to X and use that for any meaningful conclusions. Miles wasn’t a Miller recruit. And I’ll argue that you can’t look at the Foreign players recruited during the months of July and August either. You’ve got to look for Miller’s success with foreign players over the many years of his career, and he has had some for sure. He has stated that he will recruit HS players that can either come in right away and play or are willing to sit for a year (maybe 2) and develop. That indicates to me that he believes that they are out there. Since he and his recruiting staff have far more information on players around the country (about 73,000 high school senior BB players this year alone) than you or I can ever hope to have, and he feels that there are players like that out there, I’m going to have to go with his opinion over yours. Sorry, but there’s a reason he is where he is and we are where we are.

Uh, Ok. Miller said he'd like to recruit freshmen that are willing to be rotation player at most or maybe sit and wait for 2 years. That great. Di he say that he would start that recruiting process in MAY of the year these guys are supposed to graduate when nearly all the players were already committed to their future college? He was sharing his basic philosophy on how he will recruit HS players "going forward."

It doesnt matter if there was 7 gazillion guys played HS basketball. The ones that are destined to play college ball already know where they are going. Our only shot at a decent HS player would be a kid that decommits at this point. And I would guess we have far less to offer that kid (in terms of PT) than many schools that are also looking to fill out the rest of their roster.

I see ZERO chance that we pick up a HS player for next year.

[MHettel]

In perhaps the COOLEST piece of news, Brad "The Mullet" Colbert is returning and he will be ON SCHOLARSHIP. This is the best thing I've heard in a while and the best use of one of the unfilled scholarships I can think of.

Well that is great news. Although I would have liked to see him land at a D2 school somewhere to see what kind of performance he could put up.

[XUGRAD80]

Uh, Ok. Miller said he'd like to recruit freshmen that are willing to be rotation player at most or maybe sit and wait for 2 years. That great. Di he say that he would start that recruiting process in MAY of the year these guys are supposed to graduate when nearly all the players were already committed to their future college? He was sharing his basic philosophy on how he will recruit HS players "going forward."

It doesnt matter if there was 7 gazillion guys played HS basketball. The ones that are destined to play college ball already know where they are going. Our only shot at a decent HS player would be a kid that decommits at this point. And I would guess we have far less to offer that kid (in terms of PT) than many schools that are also looking to fill out the rest of their roster.

I see ZERO chance that we pick up a HS player for next year.

X is looking to fill the last 2 scholarships, not to find impact players for next year.

You have stated in the past that you don’t spend a lot of time watching the recruiting boards or looking to see who is available and/or who Xavier might be contact with. I do and I can tell you that right now X has at least 5 players that I could name that have offers from X, have not signed with anyone yet, and will graduate from HS this year. That’s just according to one site that I check on a regular basis. (That same site show 44 open offers for 2026 and several for the 2027 and even 2028 class.) there’s additional players listed on other sites.

Kids are recruited from their freshman year on. Schools can start contacting them as sophomores, but can start watching them even earlier. There are several HS tournaments scheduled the next couple of weeks. Coaches can’t attend, but non-employees of the universities can (and do). Friends of the coaches can attend and make evaluations by paying the $25 dollar attendance fee. Many many kids are going into these tournaments with the hope of attracting offers. Some might have no real offers and are looking for them. Others may have offers from lower level schools and are hoping to attract high majors. Or are looking to get an offer from a certain school. Some of these kids are ones that need development but aren’t ready for prime time yet. I will be shocked if they don’t sign at least one freshman. There are still project players out there that X would lose nothing by recruiting and putting on scholarship. They have absolutely nothing to lose by doing so and it could pay off very well.

By the way, they have a transfer from FSU visiting tomorrow that is coming off of injury and needs more time to rehab. He might be ready to go for the 2nd semester, but still has a few years of eligibility and could be a major player for 2025-2026. I predict that he will commit.

[Masterofreality]

Remember the name Cam’Ron Fletcher.

[Xville]

I like the probable pickup. Saw him play a couple of times when he was in HS at famed St. Louis City School, Vashon. An athlete, that likes to play D. Will be good to have for presumably second half of the season or 25-26.

[JTG]

Jevon Porter—-Michael Porter and Jontay Porter’s brother is entering the transfer portal. I’m gonna assume he’s going back closer to Mizzou if not there but he’d be a great stretch four. 6’11 220


I like the probable pickup. Saw him play a couple of times when he was in HS at famed St. Louis City School, Vashon. An athlete, that likes to play D. Will be good to have for presumably second half of the season or 25-26.
3 years of eligibility if he stays. Although by that third year he'll be 25.

[Xville]

3 years of eligibility if he stays. Although by that third year he'll be 25.

Are you sure it’s 3? I thought 2. Did he get two "redshirt" years for injuries? Guy should have a phd before its over with.

Regarding the Porter brother.. he followed Romar. Dunno if x ever even reached out to him but outside of Michael, the rest of the boys in that family lately have been train wrecks

[JTG]

Covid and 2 medical redshirt, although the 2nd medical is pending.

[Xville]

Got it! Thanks! Another 6 months of offseason yuck.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

There should be plenty of players with no spot in the portal when all is done. If he wants them and they reciprocate, we will have 13. You need enough D1 level guys to have full practices.

[Masterofreality]

Well that is great news. Although I would have liked to see him land at a D2 school somewhere to see what kind of performance he could put up.

The problem Hett is that since he was at a D1 level, he can’t transfer down without an NCAA waiver, which is apparently not to be granted.
His intent was to transfer to D3 John Carroll here in Cleveland but he wasn’t approved. So the backup always was to come back to X and do grad school.
I also *believe* that Sean *may have granted him a scholarship, but that is unconfirmed.

[Xville]

Kadary Richmond commits to pitino. Not really a fan of the intraconference transfer of a starter. Just feels wrong, but whatever. Johnnies get a good one.

[Three Point Pete]

Kadary Richmond commits to pitino. Not really a fan of the intraconference transfer of a starter. Just feels wrong, but whatever. Johnnies get a good one.Could be Pitino outdid Miller in rebuilding team. He got Deivon Smith from Utah, who will challenge Sim Wilcher. Also, he got big guy Iwuchukwu from USC.
Ledlum and Dingle, still waiting if they can return.



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[MHettel]

Could be Pitino outdid Miller in rebuilding team. He got Deivon Smith from Utah, who will challenge Sim Wilcher. Also, he got big guy Iwuchukwu from USC.
Ledlum and Dingle, still waiting if they can return.



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Ledlum in the portal too.

[XUGRAD80]

From the Athletic Mailbag…..

Does anyone have inside knowledge on how much players earn when they transfer? $300K? $600K? A million? — Richard T.

Great question that is on a lot of people’s minds right now, and let’s just say the consensus around college basketball this spring is that prices (sorry, uh, we mean expected name, image and likeness deals) have never been higher. I surveyed a handful of movers and shakers in the sport – two high-major head coaches, another high-major staffer, a recruiting insider and a behind-the-scenes power broker, all of whom were granted anonymity in exchange for their candor — to get a feel for the market.

OK, so what are the actual going rates for transfers signing with high-major programs right now?

“Starter should be $200,000-$250,000, all-conference $350,000, All-American $500,000-plus — but there are people paying double that across the board,” says one source.

“Starter: $200,000-$300,000. All-conference: $500,000-$750,000. High-end: $800,000-$2 million,” says another.

“Starter: $500,000. All-conference: $800,000-$1 million. Top guys: Well over $1 million. Some teams are getting wild as well with money in the portal,” says a third.

“Depends on position. An all-conference guard could be looking at $450,000-$600,000 and, as they’ve gotten more scarce, $600,000-$800,000. For bigs, what was $600,000-plus for an all-conference player is now over $1 million,” says a fourth.

“Starter: $200,000-$400,000. All-league potential: $600,000-$800,000. Top guys — over a milly!!!” says source No. 5

Bottom line: If you have major needs to fill and plan on doing so through the transfer portal, you’d better have a couple million bucks, at least, in available NIL funds to assemble a competitive roster in the current climate. – Kyle Tucker

[murray87]

Those numbers are eye popping! How is this sustainable?

[paulxu]

Still am uncertain about agents. Can a player in the portal hire an agent to help him with the NIL deals?

[MHettel]

From the Athletic Mailbag…..

Does anyone have inside knowledge on how much players earn when they transfer? $300K? $600K? A million? — Richard T.

Great question that is on a lot of people’s minds right now, and let’s just say the consensus around college basketball this spring is that prices (sorry, uh, we mean expected name, image and likeness deals) have never been higher. I surveyed a handful of movers and shakers in the sport – two high-major head coaches, another high-major staffer, a recruiting insider and a behind-the-scenes power broker, all of whom were granted anonymity in exchange for their candor — to get a feel for the market.

OK, so what are the actual going rates for transfers signing with high-major programs right now?

“Starter should be $200,000-$250,000, all-conference $350,000, All-American $500,000-plus — but there are people paying double that across the board,” says one source.

“Starter: $200,000-$300,000. All-conference: $500,000-$750,000. High-end: $800,000-$2 million,” says another.

“Starter: $500,000. All-conference: $800,000-$1 million. Top guys: Well over $1 million. Some teams are getting wild as well with money in the portal,” says a third.

“Depends on position. An all-conference guard could be looking at $450,000-$600,000 and, as they’ve gotten more scarce, $600,000-$800,000. For bigs, what was $600,000-plus for an all-conference player is now over $1 million,” says a fourth.

“Starter: $200,000-$400,000. All-league potential: $600,000-$800,000. Top guys — over a milly!!!” says source No. 5

Bottom line: If you have major needs to fill and plan on doing so through the transfer portal, you’d better have a couple million bucks, at least, in available NIL funds to assemble a competitive roster in the current climate. – Kyle Tucker

Thats interesting, and not surprising at all. Now, think about what you need to "pay" the guys that ARENT in the portal. They are probably at a slight discount to what would be the market if they went in the portal.

I would assume the 5 guys we brought in are about 300 each (on average). Thats 1.5M. Free and Hunter are probably 400-500 each. So 2.3M. Add in Swain and Green at probably 100K. 2.5M. Thats in the ball park of what we have, right?

[XUGRAD80]

Cam’Ron Fletcher is a Muskie!


And they could fill the last scholly with a high school player by the end of the month.

[xudash]

Uh, Ok. Miller said he'd like to recruit freshmen that are willing to be rotation player at most or maybe sit and wait for 2 years. That great. Di he say that he would start that recruiting process in MAY of the year these guys are supposed to graduate when nearly all the players were already committed to their future college? He was sharing his basic philosophy on how he will recruit HS players "going forward."

It doesnt matter if there was 7 gazillion guys played HS basketball. The ones that are destined to play college ball already know where they are going. Our only shot at a decent HS player would be a kid that decommits at this point. And I would guess we have far less to offer that kid (in terms of PT) than many schools that are also looking to fill out the rest of their roster.

I see ZERO chance that we pick up a HS player for next year.
NM

[xudash]

From the Athletic Mailbag…..

Does anyone have inside knowledge on how much players earn when they transfer? $300K? $600K? A million? — Richard T.

Great question that is on a lot of people’s minds right now, and let’s just say the consensus around college basketball this spring is that prices (sorry, uh, we mean expected name, image and likeness deals) have never been higher. I surveyed a handful of movers and shakers in the sport – two high-major head coaches, another high-major staffer, a recruiting insider and a behind-the-scenes power broker, all of whom were granted anonymity in exchange for their candor — to get a feel for the market.

OK, so what are the actual going rates for transfers signing with high-major programs right now?

“Starter should be $200,000-$250,000, all-conference $350,000, All-American $500,000-plus — but there are people paying double that across the board,” says one source.

“Starter: $200,000-$300,000. All-conference: $500,000-$750,000. High-end: $800,000-$2 million,” says another.

“Starter: $500,000. All-conference: $800,000-$1 million. Top guys: Well over $1 million. Some teams are getting wild as well with money in the portal,” says a third.

“Depends on position. An all-conference guard could be looking at $450,000-$600,000 and, as they’ve gotten more scarce, $600,000-$800,000. For bigs, what was $600,000-plus for an all-conference player is now over $1 million,” says a fourth.

“Starter: $200,000-$400,000. All-league potential: $600,000-$800,000. Top guys — over a milly!!!” says source No. 5

Bottom line: If you have major needs to fill and plan on doing so through the transfer portal, you’d better have a couple million bucks, at least, in available NIL funds to assemble a competitive roster in the current climate. – Kyle Tucker

Scenario 1: “I spent $1 million on that son of a bitch and he proceeds to miss the winning shot that would have advanced us to the round of x!”

Scenario X: “I spent ….. “

Diehard fans with fully discretionary resources - how many Jerry Jones’s are there?

Just my gut feel, but, at some point, a block of people are going to be asking themselves why they are doing this.

[Xville]

Cam’Ron Fletcher is a Muskie!


And they could fill the last scholly with a high school player by the end of the month.

Sweet. High upside with that guy....have you heard if he is pointing to play at all this year or get completely healthy and be ready to roll in 25-26?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Thats interesting, and not surprising at all. Now, think about what you need to "pay" the guys that ARENT in the portal. They are probably at a slight discount to what would be the market if they went in the portal.

I would assume the 65 guys we brought in are about 300 each (on average). Thats 1.5M. Free and Hunter are probably 400-500 each. So 2.3M. Add in Swain and Green at probably 100K. 2.5M. Thats in the ball park of what we have, right?

I'd be shocked if Hunter is getting anywhere close to what you just listed.

He's coming off a cardiac issue and an achilles tear. Where was he going to go? If I had to guess he gets the least amount of anyone on the team who will see any minutes next year.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Cam’Ron Fletcher is a Muskie!


And they could fill the last scholly with a high school player by the end of the month.

Nice high upside add.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Scenario 1: “I spent $1 million on that son of a bitch and he proceeds to miss the winning shot that would have advanced us to the round of x!”

Scenario X: “I spent ….. “

Diehard fans with fully discretionary resources - how many Jerry Jones’s are there?

Just my gut feel, but, at some point, a block of people are going to be asking themselves why they are doing this.

Why does anyone give away any money to anything? A lot of reasons.

Many of these people with this amount of money are very smart people. Do we honestly think they went in blind to all these thoughts we are discussing here?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Sweet. High upside with that guy....have you heard if he is pointing to play at all this year or get completely healthy and be ready to roll in 25-26?

Jon Rothstein said in his tweet he is aiming to be back on the court by October. No idea if true or feasible though.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Hosting Boise State transfer Anderson soon too.

Sean is cookin'.

[Final4]

Diehard fans with fully discretionary resources - how many Jerry Jones’s are there?

Maybe not Jerry Jones but I suspect our list starts here:

Joseph
Sedler
Farmer
Lechleiter
Kohlhepp
Gallagher
Conaton (estate)
Schroeder

[XUGRAD80]

Scenario 1: “I spent $1 million on that son of a bitch and he proceeds to miss the winning shot that would have advanced us to the round of x!”

Scenario X: “I spent ….. “

Diehard fans with fully discretionary resources - how many Jerry Jones’s are there?

Just my gut feel, but, at some point, a block of people are going to be asking themselves why they are doing this.

If you can get 1250 people to donate $20 a month for a year….that is $300,000. That’s one starter or possibly 2-3 bench players. They don’t need a bunch of really big time donors to take care of everyone.

[Xavier]

Why does anyone give away any money to anything? A lot of reasons.

Many of these people with this amount of money are very smart people. Do we honestly think they went in blind to all these thoughts we are discussing here?

I’d be surprised if that’s the case. I think Freemantle was probably highest paid player last year. And this year. But I don’t have any idea. I don’t really care 1) what each player makes and 2) where that money comes from.

[Xville]

From the Athletic Mailbag…..

Does anyone have inside knowledge on how much players earn when they transfer? $300K? $600K? A million? — Richard T.

Great question that is on a lot of people’s minds right now, and let’s just say the consensus around college basketball this spring is that prices (sorry, uh, we mean expected name, image and likeness deals) have never been higher. I surveyed a handful of movers and shakers in the sport – two high-major head coaches, another high-major staffer, a recruiting insider and a behind-the-scenes power broker, all of whom were granted anonymity in exchange for their candor — to get a feel for the market.

OK, so what are the actual going rates for transfers signing with high-major programs right now?

“Starter should be $200,000-$250,000, all-conference $350,000, All-American $500,000-plus — but there are people paying double that across the board,” says one source.

“Starter: $200,000-$300,000. All-conference: $500,000-$750,000. High-end: $800,000-$2 million,” says another.

“Starter: $500,000. All-conference: $800,000-$1 million. Top guys: Well over $1 million. Some teams are getting wild as well with money in the portal,” says a third.

“Depends on position. An all-conference guard could be looking at $450,000-$600,000 and, as they’ve gotten more scarce, $600,000-$800,000. For bigs, what was $600,000-plus for an all-conference player is now over $1 million,” says a fourth.

“Starter: $200,000-$400,000. All-league potential: $600,000-$800,000. Top guys — over a milly!!!” says source No. 5

Bottom line: If you have major needs to fill and plan on doing so through the transfer portal, you’d better have a couple million bucks, at least, in available NIL funds to assemble a competitive roster in the current climate. – Kyle Tucker

Just my two cents, but I take these anonymous sources with a bit of a grain of salt. First of all, those numbers were all over the place. Not saying guys aren’t getting paid, but i think most of the numbers above are inflated and it makes a lot of sense that they would be. “Power brokers, recruiting insiders” whatever.


I just think some of it is a little overblown. For example, cliff o getting offered 2 mil. Come on. That guy is not getting offered 2 mil. Good player, not that good.

[xudash]

If there is a donor fatigue factor, or the possibility of a developing donor fatigue factor, then maybe it doesn’t matter. The reason for that would be that some form of course correction with all of this might take place through legislation or whatever. That full employment / collective bargaining thing we have discussed off and on.

It takes me back to my point about how important the next media agreement will be. Receiving a very nice bump with that will at least open capacity to take pressure off the donor base.

[MHettel]

Cam’Ron Fletcher is a Muskie!


And they could fill the last scholly with a high school player by the end of the month.

I like this pickup. Super low risk and brings a little depth for Free /Hunter or SF.

Deep team at this point.

This might be the most experienced roster (minutes played) of all time. I actually really think that could be true. There is almost no other way to have a roster with this much experience.

[XUGRAD80]

Interesting that a 6’4” point guard HS recruit that USC had a commit from has switched his commit to UCLA after Claude commits to USC.

[Xville]

Interesting that a 6’4” point guard HS recruit that USC had a commit from has switched his commit to UCLA after Claude commits to USC.

Shocking no one but hett. Des is going to get every opportunity to be the 1. I hope he succeeds and has a great year.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Shocking no one but hett. Des is going to get every opportunity to be the 1. I hope he succeeds and has a great year.

High school kid must be a genius if he understands lead guard and point guard to be the same thing, lmao. Surprised he didn't opt for Harvard.

[XUGRAD80]

Another possible transfer (who could have multiple years left) visiting today. Could have a decision very quickly is the word.

[Final4]

That full employment / collective bargaining thing we have discussed off and on.

So how would that work? The bargaining unit negotiates "pay rates" with whatever organization is recognized as the governing body? Similar to the NFL players association negotiating with the NFL (and not individual teams)? Or would each schools players be recognized as a bargaining unit and thus negotiate with their respective schools. Who makes up the bargaining unit? All division 1 athletes in one group? Or do football players have their own union? If it's one large group I'm assuming women volleyball players have equal representation, right?

[xudash]

So how would that work? The bargaining unit negotiates "pay rates" with whatever organization is recognized as the governing body? Similar to the NFL players association negotiating with the NFL (and not individual teams)? Or would each schools players be recognized as a bargaining unit and thus negotiate with their respective schools. Who makes up the bargaining unit? All division 1 athletes in one group? Or do football players have their own union? If it's one large group I'm assuming women volleyball players have equal representation, right?

I don’t know. The questions you posed in your post shows the complexity in all of this.

The B1G and SEC Schools are going to want as much control as possible. If I’m the athletic Director of Miami of Ohio or Wake Forest or TCU, I probably would prefer some guard rails and leveling in all of this.

Can college basketball still reasonably look like college basketball within the next five years? The NCAAT as it presently exists has to survive all of this in order for us to have a chance. I can only hope that the participants in this that sit in the most powerful positions understand that, and make decisions that will help maintain its integrity. They now have their 12 team playoff. They’ve knocked themselves down to four conferences, albeit two of which have material financial advantages over the other two.

We do not have football to deal with, thank God. Imagine scrambling for NIL money with a football program in play. Ryan Day at Ohio State literally stated that the Buckeyes need an NIL program of at least $13 million annually. Obviously, he was only talking about the football program in Columbus.

It will be interesting to see how UC handles this about 3 1/2 miles away from us. That is where I am headed with this. There is a great deal of imbalance between the schools, not that it hasn’t always been that way, just in different ways. But this is another strip of funding that has been laid exclusively at the feet of the fan bases. Personally, I see fatigue coming. I at least see an effort to modify the current situation.

I also understand that there will not possibly be some form of a universally appealing solution with all of this, assuming we get to some form of alternative solution to begin with.

[muskiefan82]

Another possible transfer (who could have multiple years left) visiting today. Could have a decision very quickly is the word.

Guessing this is Roddie Anderson from Boise State?

[XUMIOH12]

back to transfer portal stuff, Roddie Anderson commits to Xavier

[XUMIOH12]

Guessing this is Roddie Anderson from Boise State?

Yes, he was expected to commit.

[Xville]

Good Freshman year at a lower level, not great sophomore year and now the challenge gets even harder. Interesting pickup. I don't see it. Is he a good defender or something?

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Most likely it's a player that wants a shot at playing higher level ball with no promises. I would rather see Green develop.

[Xville]

Most likely it's a player that wants a shot at playing higher level ball with no promises. I would rather see Green develop.

I was thinking, maybe he is a depth piece this year and then has a chance to play next year when Maddox and Mcknight are gone? Weird pickup from the outside looking in.

[MHettel]

I was thinking, maybe he is a depth piece this year and then has a chance to play next year when Maddox and Mcknight are gone? Weird pickup from the outside looking in.

Are you questioning Miller?

[MHettel]

So did Colbert get a scholarship, or not? If so that would be 13, right? All full, unless of course we have a player not on scholarship that will pay his own way via NIL like we had last year.

I run the risk of XUGrad80 freaking out that I'm asking, but it remains unclear how many we have on scholarship and whether we are done adding or not.

[XUMIOH12]

Good Freshman year at a lower level, not great sophomore year and now the challenge gets even harder. Interesting pickup. I don't see it. Is he a good defender or something?


Most likely it's a player that wants a shot at playing higher level ball with no promises. I would rather see Green develop.


I was thinking, maybe he is a depth piece this year and then has a chance to play next year when Maddox and Mcknight are gone? Weird pickup from the outside looking in.

Anderson is not going to play this season.

[XUMIOH12]

So did Colbert get a scholarship, or not? If so that would be 13, right? All full, unless of course we have a player not on scholarship that will pay his own way via NIL like we had last year.

I run the risk of XUGrad80 freaking out that I'm asking, but it remains unclear how many we have on scholarship and whether we are done adding or not.

scholarships are accounted for. Could theoretically add another player using NIL, but it is unlikely they add someone for this season.

[GoMuskies]

Anderson is not going to play this season.

Is he hurt?

[muskiefan82]

Anderson is not going to play this season.

I am hoping he plays a lot because X is up 30 with 5 minutes to play often.

[Xville]

Well, the roster is set now. Can the games start next week?

[XUMIOH12]

Is he hurt?

No

[XUMIOH12]

I am hoping he plays a lot because X is up 30 with 5 minutes to play often.

nice thought, but that would waste his planned redshirt

[MHettel]

Very confusing.

As a player, he looks pretty meh. Terrible shooting percentages.

He’s not hurt, but he’s not gonna play. And he’s consuming a scholarship.


Friend of a friend or something? What’s the rationale for grabbing him?

[muskiefan82]

Very confusing.

As a player, he looks pretty meh. Terrible shooting percentages.

He’s not hurt, but he’s not gonna play. And he’s consuming a scholarship.


Friend of a friend or something? What’s the rationale for grabbing him?

D1 guard needed for good practices?

[Xville]

nice thought, but that would waste his planned redshirt

That makes sense. Grab some good experience in practice, develop a bit and if all goes well, be a part of the rotation in 25-26.

[XUGRAD80]

Very confusing.

As a player, he looks pretty meh. Terrible shooting percentages.

He’s not hurt, but he’s not gonna play. And he’s consuming a scholarship.


Friend of a friend or something? What’s the rationale for grabbing him?

Development piece. Speculation that he is expected to redshirt, develop, and be around for 2 more years.

I’m guessing you weren’t a math major since you seen you seem to have trouble counting……..wait, is that freaking out……to 13. And yes, red shirts do count against the 13 scholarship limit AND against the 15 ACTIVE roster limit. BUT, a player can pay their own way and be on the roster. They are considered walk on players. So X COULD add 2 additional players, BUT either they or the NIL would have to pay their way. Any beyond that would have to be classified as inactive (like Free and Hunter last year). I expect them to add 2 more players as walk-on players and no more….unless they have another situation like last year with Free and Hunt. Let’s hope we never see that again!

[Thor in 204]

That makes sense. Grab some good experience in practice, develop a bit and if all goes well, be a part of the rotation in 25-26.

What better coach to learn from about playing point guard? He'll also learn from practicing with Trey Green, who I think will be improve this coming season and will be great the following season.

[bleedXblue]

He had a great freshman year and regressed last year. In todays climate, I have no issue with this. Its low risk/high reward potential

[Xavier]

It’s a swing. A guy who started for 2 years, quick with ok size. Come in, learn the system while redshirting and developing. A year from now ideally he will be an older rotational piece that has 2 more years of eligibility. I think it’s a unique way to spend the 13th scholarship. They will have a year of looking at him and will know if he can play or not before hitting the portal next summer.

[drudy23]

Very confusing.

As a player, he looks pretty meh. Terrible shooting percentages.

He’s not hurt, but he’s not gonna play. And he’s consuming a scholarship.


Friend of a friend or something? What’s the rationale for grabbing him?

Well, your main complaint was that Miller wasn't prepared when Hunter and Free went down and never should have expected 100% from them based on past injuries.

And now Miller fills the roster with probably the most depth and experience of any Xavier roster ever, and you still can't help yourself.

Pretty sure you just don't like Miller.

[XUGRAD80]

FYI…..KyKy has committed to Florida Atlantic

[GoMuskies]

Good for Kyky, but I assume they'll be absolutely terrible next year. I guess plenty of minutes available!

[paulxu]

How many will still be here in November?

Paul Fritschner
@PaulFritschner
Xavier's 13 scholarships for 2024-2025:

- Jerome Hunter
- Zach Freemantle
- Dayvion McKnight
- Trey Green
- Dailyn Swain
- Ryan Conwell
- Marcus Foster
- John Hugley IV
- Dante Maddox Jr.
- Lassina Traore
- Cam'Ron Fletcher
- Roddie Anderson III
- Brad Colbert

[GoMuskies]

How many will still be here in November?

Paul Fritschner
@PaulFritschner
Xavier's 13 scholarships for 2024-2025:

- Jerome Hunter
- Zach Freemantle
- Dayvion McKnight
- Trey Green
- Dailyn Swain
- Ryan Conwell
- Marcus Foster
- John Hugley IV
- Dante Maddox Jr.
- Lassina Traore
- Cam'Ron Fletcher
- Roddie Anderson III
- Brad Colbert

Thanks for giving us six months to figure out who the hell half these guys are! :)

[xu82]

Thanks for giving us six months to figure out who the hell half these guys are! :)


I’ll check back right before the opening tip, then do a crash course.

[XU-PA]

At least our wonderful announcer won't have issues!!

[paulxu]

Thanks for giving us six months to figure out who the hell half these guys are! :)

I only recognize 1-5. hah!

[bjf123]

NM

[MHettel]

Well, your main complaint was that Miller wasn't prepared when Hunter and Free went down and never should have expected 100% from them based on past injuries.

And now Miller fills the roster with probably the most depth and experience of any Xavier roster ever, and you still can't help yourself.

Pretty sure you just don't like Miller.

That conclusion is not correct. Miller makes tons of decisions. Some that I like, some that I dont. I thought the poor season last year was due to some roster construction errors and of course bad luck.

Just because I disagree with 10 decisions in a row doesn't mean I'm required to disagree with the eleventh.

I think for teh most part we had a very "successful" portal season. Conwell and Maddox seem like the jewels of the class. Hugley could be a gem if he comes back from issues hes had (much like Stain and Nunge did). Traore seems like a better version of Abou. Foster didnt really fit what we were looking for as the first guy we landed, but he fits in this COLLECTION of guys. Franklin is intriguing. Not really efficient numbers, but I assume hes a very good athlete and should be physically ready for the BE.

Anderson doesnt excite me. 2 full seasons and he's not hit 40% FG. 2.9 vs 2.5 Assist to TOs. hard to get excited about him. Usually a guy like that would be transferring DOWN, not up.

But I understand we had very little to "offer" anyone left out there. I didnt really expect MORE than Anderson. but I guess I was kinda hoping we could find an Nzeh type of young big.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

That conclusion is not correct. Miller makes tons of decisions. Some that I like, some that I dont. I thought the poor season last year was due to some roster construction errors and of course bad luck.

Just because I disagree with 10 decisions in a row doesn't mean I'm required to disagree with the eleventh.

I think for teh most part we had a very "successful" portal season. Conwell and Maddox seem like the jewels of the class. Hugley could be a gem if he comes back from issues hes had (much like Stain and Nunge did). Traore seems like a better version of Abou. Foster didnt really fit what we were looking for as the first guy we landed, but he fits in this COLLECTION of guys. Franklin is intriguing. Not really efficient numbers, but I assume hes a very good athlete and should be physically ready for the BE.

Anderson doesnt excite me. 2 full seasons and he's not hit 40% FG. 2.9 vs 2.5 Assist to TOs. hard to get excited about him. Usually a guy like that would be transferring DOWN, not up.

But I understand we had very little to "offer" anyone left out there. I didnt really expect MORE than Anderson. but I guess I was kinda hoping we could find an Nzeh type of young big.

Who is Franklin?

I think what you are forgetting is that if we had Hunter or Freemantle last year we would have made the tourney with a low seed and with both a mid-level seed. Miller hit the portal and grabbed the same level guards. We have more shooting than last year (Conway, Maddox are 40% and McKnight, Foster are 35%). We also have Hunter/Free/Hugley/Traore all with experience at mid to high D1. If someone gets hurt, we don't depend on someone with no experience. Toss in the development of Swain and Green and we look pretty good here. We aren't rolling out Freshman soft Euro Bigs.

[MHettel]

Who is Franklin?

I think what you are forgetting is that if we had Hunter or Freemantle last year we would have made the tourney with a low seed and with both a mid-level seed. Miller hit the portal and grabbed the same level guards. We have more shooting than last year (Conway, Maddox are 40% and McKnight, Foster are 35%). We also have Hunter/Free/Hugley/Traore all with experience at mid to high D1. If someone gets hurt, we don't depend on someone with no experience. Toss in the development of Swain and Green and we look pretty good here. We aren't rolling out Freshman soft Euro Bigs.

Fletcher? Cam'ron. Whatever his last name is.

[xu82]

Who is Franklin?

I think what you are forgetting is that if we had Hunter or Freemantle last year we would have made the tourney with a low seed and with both a mid-level seed. Miller hit the portal and grabbed the same level guards. We have more shooting than last year (Conway, Maddox are 40% and McKnight, Foster are 35%). We also have Hunter/Free/Hugley/Traore all with experience at mid to high D1. If someone gets hurt, we don't depend on someone with no experience. Toss in the development of Swain and Green and we look pretty good here. We aren't rolling out Freshman soft Euro Bigs.

I see last season as one that was going to be challenging regardless, then we had some misfortune. It can happen that way. I look forward to seeing what the product looks like this year. I love the idea of having more shooters, and 2 new 40% guys is great! This is the new normal, I guess. You start almost from scratch each year.

[MHettel]

Great Osobor to Washington for $2M in NIL. Yes, 2 MILLION.

This dude played 2 years at Montana State, starting 3 games total. last year at Utah State, averaging 18/9.

[94GRAD]

Great Osobor to Washington for $2M in NIL. Yes, 2 MILLION.

This dude played 2 years at Montana State, starting 3 games total. last year at Utah State, averaging 18/9.

Grab the biggest bag you can, while you can.

[xukeith]

Grab the biggest bag you can, while you can.

Is that $2 million for 1 year or 2?

[94GRAD]

Is that $2 million for 1 year or 2?

Only 1 year from what I've read

[D-West & PO-Z]

Great Osobor to Washington for $2M in NIL. Yes, 2 MILLION.

This dude played 2 years at Montana State, starting 3 games total. last year at Utah State, averaging 18/9.

Almost as crazy as Pat Kelsey getting a boatload of money to coach one of the premier basketball programs in the country after having exactly 0 NCAA wins in his coaching career.

[MHettel]

Almost as crazy as Pat Kelsey getting a boatload of money to coach one of the premier basketball programs in the country after having exactly 0 NCAA wins in his coaching career.

Really? Pat Kelsey has been paying the dues for 25 years and probably will make 4M at UofL.

Osobor has started about 35 games in his college career and is making half of that.

That’s not comparable.

[Xville]

Kelsey isn’t getting a boatload of money. He may get it after a couple of years here, but considering he is at a top 10ish program, he’s making peanuts currently (not even top 50 in salary.) He’s making a million less a year than Payne stole.

[Xuperman]

Tandy to FAU.
Ousmane to Oklahoma State.

[XUBison]

Tandy to FAU.
Ousmane to Oklahoma State.

Interesting that two of our big men from last season have landed in power conferences. Some of you may recall, our front court was trash.

[MHettel]

Interesting that two of our big men from last season have landed in power conferences. Some of you may recall, our front court was trash.

For Abou, in particular, I bet he is a good NIL “value”. He’s not a top dollar guy, but he is certainly a capable Big 5 rotation front court player. I’d be shocked if he was a starter next year, but not at all shocked if he’s got a meaningful role off the bench

[GoMuskies]

Also, Oklahoma State blows.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Also, Oklahoma State blows.

As does Penn State (usually).

[xukeith]

No info about Gytus N.?

[GoMuskies]

no info about gytus n.?

Nevermind. Was thinking of Ciani.

[noteggs]

Looks like Roddie Anderson has some hops.

https://x.com/char_cliff/status/1788780622590189610?s=42&t=U5TyKr_wshJKowj_nNzfHg

[kane79]

Looks like Roddie Anderson has some hops.

https://x.com/char_cliff/status/1788780622590189610?s=42&t=U5TyKr_wshJKowj_nNzfHg

but was he the highschool state triple jump champion?

[UCGRAD4X]

but was he the highschool state triple jump champion?

off one foot or two?

[Xuperman]

Dwon Odom goes Tulsa time.

[MHettel]

Saw a weird Tic-Toc style video today of that always classy Angel Reece (looking like a Vegas stripper). Who was her special guest? Cam’ron Fletcher enter the scene with a little affection towards her.

Weird.

[Xuperman]

Saw a weird Tic-Toc style video today of that always classy Angel Reece (looking like a Vegas stripper). Who was her special guest? Cam’ron Fletcher enter the scene with a little affection towards her.

Weird.

Probably an older video. This could explain.

https://heavy.com/sports/womens-college-basketball/angel-reese-boyfriend-dating-cam-ron-fletcher/