College Basketball Transfer Portal 2024-2025

[Xuperman]

Bronny to enter the portal. And the Draft, which I think is a joke. Will be interesting to see where he's ranked in the Portal, and where he lands.

just read that DUQUESNE is expected to be an option becasue LBJ played in HS with the new coach.

ON3 just added him.....listing his NIL Value at 4.9 MILLION!!!!

https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/wire/basketball/2024/

What a joke.

[MHettel]

“Very little” except all the other parts of recruiting a player like that, ya know like beating out the other teams. Damn narratives.

But you be you!

AJ Storr was in the portal for like an hour. Huntley like a day. Both of these guys were top portal targets and had a destination in mind. They enter...one phone call....done.

You dont have to imagine the situation was any more complicated than that. The sheer amount of time (the lack of time) it took to consummate this commitment is the evidence. There wasnt any drawn out courtship involved.

[Xavier]

To be clear, the guy that committed to NC State did take an official visit to them before committing. Eye on college basketball pod talked about how crazy it was NC State had to take time away from prepping for the final four to get ready and conduct this visit. I have no clue if it was a formality or what, but according to the pod the visit was scheduled and set up prior to them reaching the final four.

Per the On3 article about it“ During his time in the portal, he scheduled trips to Indiana and Pittsburgh but canceled those trips. The forward previously dropped a top schools list that included the Panthers, the Pack, UConn and Louisville.” Maybe NC State asked him to schedule, then cancel, visits to Pittsburgh and Indiana- just to mess with them?

Seems like more than a few hours but pure speculation. Don’t know how long putting all that together actually takes and then going through it.. I’m sure it would be quite the sell to have someone on campus between the elite 8 and final four game. Plus they beat out UConn, another final 4 team, who was in his final list. Good

[MHettel]

To be clear, the guy that committed to NC State did take an official visit to them before committing. Eye on college basketball pod talked about how crazy it was NC State had to take time away from prepping for the final four to get ready and conduct this visit. I have no clue if it was a formality or what, but according to the pod the visit was scheduled and set up prior to them reaching the final four.

Per the On3 article about it“ During his time in the portal, he scheduled trips to Indiana and Pittsburgh but canceled those trips. The forward previously dropped a top schools list that included the Panthers, the Pack, UConn and Louisville.” Maybe NC State asked him to schedule, then cancel, visits to Pittsburgh and Indiana- just to mess with them?

Seems like more than a few hours but pure speculation. Don’t know how long putting all that together actually takes and then going through it.. I’m sure it would be quite the sell to have someone on campus between the elite 8 and final four game. Plus they beat out UConn, another final 4 team, who was in his final list. Good

Sounds like he is a shrewd negotiator. Create a sellers market, and land where you planned to land while getting top dollar

[Final4]

What do you think is opinion that I stated as fact?

Reading is hard. Try again. On second thought maybe it's best if you just let this one fade away. Quite frankly I'm a little embarrassed for you and it's making me a bit uncomfortable.

[Final4]

Your mom was busy.

Hey mods this crosses a line don't you think? Maybe it's time this POS takes a little break.

[xuphan]

Worrying just for the sake of worrying. There are a ton of teams in the same boat as pointed out earlier in this thread.

Louisville has three guys on their roster. I don’t understand the daily worrying.

Some of you all need to pop a few ritalin


Maybe you need to get laid.


Your mom was busy.


This just keeps getting classier…….

I think we can do better, don’t you?

Hopefully the mods take a look at some of these post and take the necessary actions. Why any of this is appropriate when talking about the transfer portal is beyond me. Totally unnecessary and not needed here.

[Xville]

Reading is hard. Try again. On second thought maybe it's best if you just let this one fade away. Quite frankly I'm a little embarrassed for you and it's making me a bit uncomfortable.

Nope try again.

What I said is that cohen flipped from Arkansas to usc following muss. And that relationships still matter not just nil. 100% fact.

If it’s not fact, then Xavier isn’t ever getting anyone, because x isn’t going to outbid other schools. Didn’t even outbid for olivari, so yeah relationships matter.

[XUGRAD80]

For those questioning why Miller would be out of the country on vacation right NOW…..

This is a “dead” period for recruiting. Coaches are not allowed to make IN-PERSON contact with recruits during this period. No in home visits, no official campus visits. HOWEVER…..they ARE allowed to txt or call recruits during this period. Recruits are allowed to visit campuses, but not “officially”. Schools can’t have coaches showing players around the school in person. But they can talk with them via the phone. This period was set up so that the coaches would feel free to attend the Final 4 without the thought that another school might be staying at home and looking to gain a recruiting advantage. This dead period ends April 11, so look for things to heat up by the end of this coming week. I’m pretty sure that Mille and the other coaches are burning up the phone lines trying to get their targets on campus starting on the 12th. And believe it or not, it is possible to make phone calls from Aruba (or so I’ve been told).

I’ve also read a report that claims that the Xavier NIL is in VERY good shape and that we shouldn’t expect it to be a reason that X might miss out on some transfers. X will be going head to head with other BE schools and heavy hitters so we shouldn’t expect 100% success, but they should be able to hold their own with just about anyone….at least as far as NIL money is concerned.

[xuphan]

For those questioning why Miller would be out of the country on vacation right NOW…..

This is a “dead” period for recruiting. Coaches are not allowed to make IN-PERSON contact with recruits during this period. No in home visits, no official campus visits. HOWEVER…..they ARE allowed to txt or call recruits during this period. Recruits are allowed to visit campuses, but not “officially”. Schools can’t have coaches showing players around the school in person. But they can talk with them via the phone. This period was set up so that the coaches would feel free to attend the Final 4 without the thought that another school might be staying at home and looking to gain a recruiting advantage. This dead period ends April 11, so look for things to heat up by the end of this coming week. I’m pretty sure that Mille and the other coaches are burning up the phone lines trying to get their targets on campus starting on the 12th. And believe it or not, it is possible to make phone calls from Aruba (or so I’ve been told).

I’ve also read a report that claims that the Xavier NIL is in VERY good shape and that we shouldn’t expect it to be a reason that X might miss out on some transfers. X will be going head to head with other BE schools and heavy hitters so we shouldn’t expect 100% success, but they should be able to hold their own with just about anyone….at least as far as NIL money is concerned.

The concern that I have is that we are coming off our worst season in recent memory, our roster is a mess and our head coach has decided to take a vacation during this important period of the recruiting calendar. I highly doubt Miller’s family is going to allow him to spend a majority of his vacation on the phone talking to his coaches and transfers. It is what it is and there is no changing it now but I don’t think this is the best time to be on vacation. Not a good look on my opinion. Should have waited until after the portal to go on vacation after rebuilding a pretty depleted roster. If the NIL money is there than we should expect nothing less than a complete rebuild with several impact transfers coming in. No excuses then.

[Xuperman]

Hey mods this crosses a line don't you think? Maybe it's time this POS takes a little break.

He has a long history of crossing the line, but never once been put in time out. On top of that, it is common for him to be Mr Knowitall for everything. Example, recently posted about HS recruiting. "Some people here have no idea of what High D1 talent is". As if he does. He uses that tactic like the adjustable wrench in his toolbox.

As far as his posting style....it's Rodney Dangerfield in a carnival Dunking Booth. He takes fire from all directions, while returning insults and childish put downs. Classic keyboard tough guy.

Guys, he is the "Troll King" here. Just look at his frequency and time stamps. No one post more here, and almost all of it is in some way connected to his trollish style. It seems obvious that getting a rise out of people is his entertainment pay off and I am sure this post will put a big smile on his face.

[XUGRAD80]

The concern that I have is that……. I highly doubt Miller’s family is going to allow him to spend a majority of his vacation on the phone talking to his coaches and transfers….

If the NIL money is there than we should expect nothing less than a complete rebuild with several impact transfers coming in. No excuses then.

1). You shouldn’t worry……he and his staff are working hard…….and his family understands the demands of the job.

2). Just because X has comparable money doesn’t mean that they don’t have the same obstacles that they had before the NIL rulings. Nobody said that they have an advantage there, only that they are no longer sitting at a disadvantage when it comes to the NIL. But that doesn’t mean that recruits are lining up and hoping that X offers. I don’t often hear their name mentioned in the same sentence as Indiana, North Carolina, Duke, UConn, Kentucky and the rest of the blue bloods. X will fill out their roster with some quality pieces, but don’t expect McD All-Americans to be part of it.

[Xville]

He has a long history of crossing the line, but never once been put in time out. On top of that, it is common for him to be Mr Knowitall for everything. Example, recently posted about HS recruiting. "Some people here have no idea of what High D1 talent is". As if he does. He uses that tactic like the adjustable wrench in his toolbox.

As far as his posting style....it's Rodney Dangerfield in a carnival Dunking Booth. He takes fire from all directions, while returning insults and childish put downs. Classic keyboard tough guy.

Guys, he is the "Troll King" here. Just look at his frequency and time stamps. No one post more here, and almost all of it is in some way connected to his trollish style. It seems obvious that getting a rise out of people is his entertainment pay off and I am sure this post will put a big smile on his face.

Paul McMillan anyone? He’s in the transfer portal again. We should scoop him up lol.

Anyone with a brain and has seen high school ball knows objectively what high d1 talent looks like. It’s not hard.

You’d think someone that posts frequently, been a member for 8 years, and consistently whines and complains on this board about his global issues could spare a few bucks every now and then. Yet, here is someone that slings it, gets personal and then backs up and plays the victim card. Must have gone to the angel reese school of victim hood.

[xuphan]

1). You shouldnÂ’t worryÂ…Â…he and his staff are working hardÂ…Â….and his family understands the demands of the job.

2). Just because X has comparable money doesnÂ’t mean that they donÂ’t have the same obstacles that they had before the NIL rulings. Nobody said that they have an advantage there, only that they are no longer sitting at a disadvantage when it comes to the NIL. But that doesnÂ’t mean that recruits are lining up and hoping that X offers. I donÂ’t often hear their name mentioned in the same sentence as Indiana, North Carolina, Duke, UConn, Kentucky and the rest of the blue bloods. X will fill out their roster with some quality pieces, but donÂ’t expect McD All-Americans to be part of it.

1) I think fans have every right to worry after Miller failed to bring in a starting 5 during the last transfer portal. I was critical saying Abou is a good rotation guy but not the starter we need. People on here laughed it off saying not to worry that we have Miller who would turn Abou and Kachi into beast. Well, that didnÂ’t happen. I am not saying the coaches arenÂ’t working hard but I also think it is a bad look to be on vacation at a critical recruiting time for the program. We have a major rebuild on the front court and we havenÂ’t brought in a single player. IÂ’d be concerned with how many weeks the portal has been open and the amount of NIL and minutes we have to offer. We had a head start on other programs yet have not landed a single front court player. Not in panic mode be definitely concerned especially with more schools entering the portal for Bigs. Yes, I am sure he will bring front court players in but are we getting just rotation players like Abou or getting an impact transfer like Nunge? It has to be atleast 2 high quality impact front court guys and 1 rotational forward. Going to be difficult at this point of the portal to get that done.

2) No one is taking about bring in McDonalds All Americans. I have been a Xavier fan for decades and I understand the profile of players we should be bringing in. Moving to the Big East should have helped recruiting but not to that extent. NIL funds have always been a concern so I am glad to hear we have funds to compete with the best. Should help Miller rebuild the front court to one of the top front courts in the Big East.

[Xville]

Again, it is a dead period on final four weekend, if you are going to take a vacation with your family, now is the time to take it. Miller may be working well into the summer on recruiting etc and befor you know it, it’s practice time.

[Xavier]

1) I think fans have every right to worry after Miller failed to bring in a starting 5 during the last transfer portal. I was critical saying Abou is a good rotation guy but not the starter we need. People on here laughed it off saying not to worry that we have Miller who would turn Abou and Kachi into beast. Well, that didnÂ’t happen. I am not saying the coaches arenÂ’t working hard but I also think it is a bad look to be on vacation at a critical recruiting time for the program. We have a major rebuild on the front court and we havenÂ’t brought in a single player. IÂ’d be concerned with how many weeks the portal has been open and the amount of NIL and minutes we have to offer. We had a head start on other programs yet have not landed a single front court player. Not in panic mode be definitely concerned especially with more schools entering the portal for Bigs. Yes, I am sure he will bring front court players in but are we getting just rotation players like Abou or getting an impact transfer like Nunge? It has to be atleast 2 high quality impact front court guys and 1 rotational forward. Going to be difficult at this point of the portal to get that done.
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You sure about that? lol in a week coaches can only make phone calls you are wondering why Sean is making calls on vacation instead of in his office. (Unless you really think a D1 college coach wouldn’t make a phone call on vacation. That would be quite the take) Seems to be a bit much.

[xuphan]

Again, it is a dead period on final four weekend, if you are going to take a vacation with your family, now is the time to take it. Miller may be working well into the summer on recruiting etc and befor you know it, it’s practice time.

If you’re going to take a vacation with your family, the best time to take it would be from May 16-24 during the next dead period of recruiting after the transfer portal closes. Not in the middle of the transfer portal window coming or the worst season in recent memory with most of your front court gone or coming back from serious injury. Unless you have already taken care of business on the recruiting trail or transfer portal and have solidified most of your roster. Miller hasn’t done that yet.

Let me ask some of you this. What if this was Steele? What if Steele would have went on vacation in the middle of the transfer portal with no front court and coming off the worst season in recent memory. Would you have been fine with it?

Like I have said multiple times, it’s not a good look for Miller.

[XU_Lou]

Hey mods this crosses a line don't you think? Maybe it's time this POS takes a little break.


He has a long history of crossing the line, but never once been put in time out. On top of that, it is common for him to be Mr Knowitall for everything. Example, recently posted about HS recruiting. "Some people here have no idea of what High D1 talent is". As if he does. He uses that tactic like the adjustable wrench in his toolbox.

As far as his posting style....it's Rodney Dangerfield in a carnival Dunking Booth. He takes fire from all directions, while returning insults and childish put downs. Classic keyboard tough guy.

Guys, he is the "Troll King" here. Just look at his frequency and time stamps. No one post more here, and almost all of it is in some way connected to his trollish style. It seems obvious that getting a rise out of people is his entertainment pay off and I am sure this post will put a big smile on his face.

One wonders why the mods are the only ones that don't see this...

[Xville]

If you’re going to take a vacation with your family, the best time to take it would be from May 16-24 during the next dead period of recruiting after the transfer portal closes. Not in the middle of the transfer portal window coming or the worst season in recent memory with most of your front court gone or coming back from serious injury. Unless you have already taken care of business on the recruiting trail or transfer portal and have solidified most of your roster. Miller hasn’t done that yet.

Let me ask some of you this. What if this was Steele? What if Steele would have went on vacation in the middle of the transfer portal with no front court and coming off the worst season in recent memory. Would you have been fine with it?

Like I have said multiple times, it’s not a good look for Miller.

Just because it closes, doesn’t mean you can’t recruit players out of there. All player decisions regarding going to the portal or not will be made by May, not all players that will enter have entered yet. I think now is a much better time than then.

As for Steele vs miller, miller has earned the right to receive the benefit of the doubt. When he fails to go to 4 straight tournaments at Xavier, then I guess that benefit of the doubt will go away.

[A Fan]

For those questioning why Miller would be out of the country on vacation right NOW…..

This is a “dead” period for recruiting. Coaches are not allowed to make IN-PERSON contact with recruits during this period. No in home visits, no official campus visits. HOWEVER…..they ARE allowed to txt or call recruits during this period. Recruits are allowed to visit campuses, but not “officially”. Schools can’t have coaches showing players around the school in person. But they can talk with them via the phone. This period was set up so that the coaches would feel free to attend the Final 4 without the thought that another school might be staying at home and looking to gain a recruiting advantage. This dead period ends April 11, so look for things to heat up by the end of this coming week. I’m pretty sure that Mille and the other coaches are burning up the phone lines trying to get their targets on campus starting on the 12th. And believe it or not, it is possible to make phone calls from Aruba (or so I’ve been told).

I’ve also read a report that claims that the Xavier NIL is in VERY good shape and that we shouldn’t expect it to be a reason that X might miss out on some transfers. X will be going head to head with other BE schools and heavy hitters so we shouldn’t expect 100% success, but they should be able to hold their own with just about anyone….at least as far as NIL money is concerned.
Maybe I misread or misinterpreted one of your earlier posts where you mentioned the $ 500 K donor/match and that $250 K had been raised against that match meaning a total of $500 K ($250 K from donor; $250 K from others had been raised to date. If other funds had been received, then the donors contribution would be higher . Did I get that wrong ?
You mention you saw a report that said the NIL was in VERY good shape. Could you refer us to the report or at least indicate whether VERY was your interpretation of an actual number in the report or a quote from the report.
The amount of money available will be crucial in evaluating the roster rebuild. If it is $500 K or $2M then any failure to get a front court will be understood if it is $500 K but less understood at $ 2M . And if it is $2M and a weak front court then there will be other reasons why we can’t rebuild which will be ominous for the future.

[xuphan]

You sure about that? lol in a week coaches can only make phone calls you are wondering why Sean is making calls on vacation instead of in his office. (Unless you really think a D1 college coach wouldn’t make a phone call on vacation. That would be quite the take) Seems to be a bit much.

Where did I say that I wondered why Sean was making phone calls on vacation? I never said that. I have said repeatedly that it is not a good look for him to be on vacation with the state the roster is currently in and after that disastrous season.

[Xville]

Where did I say that I wondered why Sean was making phone calls on vacation? I never said that. I have said repeatedly that it is not a good look for him to be on vacation with the state the roster is currently in and after that disastrous season.

My question would be what would you have liked miller to be doing during this week that he could only be doing if he were in Cincinnati? That’s the point. There’s only so much you can do right now.

[xuphan]

Just because it closes, doesn’t mean you can’t recruit players out of there. All player decisions regarding going to the portal or not will be made by May, not all players that will enter have entered yet. I think now is a much better time than then.

As for Steele vs miller, miller has earned the right to receive the benefit of the doubt. When he fails to go to 4 straight tournaments at Xavier, then I guess that benefit of the doubt will go away.

What has Miller done to deserve the benefit of the doubt? I like Miller but what has he done to deserve it? He coached a team primarily made of Steele’s players to an NCAA tournament. He assembled and coached arguably the worst team in modern history last season. He failed to bring in an impact 5 last season. We have seen constant high level turnover since he has been the coach. If we really want to get into history, he left our program to go to Arizona. Told a recruit that our program was a Buick compared to a Lexus. I want Miller to succeed but what has he done exactly to warrant these rights and benefits? He seems to need to earn that right and I bet even he would say that right now.

Like I have repeatedly said, I think it is a bad look for him to be on vacation with the state of the roster and the performance of last season. I know people have their own opinions but I am not the only one who shares my concerns. I will be happy to eat crow if Miller is able to get us competitive again at the top of the Big East next season but you can’t deny the major concerns in the front court that have yet to be addressed.

[Xavier]

Where did I say that I wondered why Sean was making phone calls on vacation? I never said that. I have said repeatedly that it is not a good look for him to be on vacation with the state the roster is currently in and after that disastrous season.

My man…take a deep breath. Everyone agrees If healthy we would have been a tournament team last year. Fresh off our worst 4 year stretch in decades he brought X one its best seasons of all time in year one. All he can do right now is make calls. And youÂ’re upset because of where he is making those calls.

Is he allowed to make them at home? Or can it only be at Cintas? Where do you think it is acceptable to make phone calls?

[Xville]

What has Miller done to deserve the benefit of the doubt? I like Miller but what has he done to deserve it? He coached a team primarily made of Steele’s players to an NCAA tournament. He assembled and coached arguably the worst team in modern history last season. He failed to bring in an impact 5 last season. We have seen constant high level turnover since he has been the coach. If we really want to get into history, he left our program to go to Arizona. Told a recruit that our program was a Buick compared to a Lexus. I want Miller to succeed but what has he done exactly to warrant these rights and benefits? He seems to need to earn that right and I bet even he would say that right now.

Like I have repeatedly said, I think it is a bad look for him to be on vacation with the state of the roster and the performance of last season. I know people have their own opinions but I am not the only one who shares my concerns. I will be happy to eat crow if Miller is able to get us competitive again at the top of the Big East next season but you can’t deny the major concerns in the front court that have yet to be addressed.

What has he done? Oh boy.

Sweet 16 two years ago.

3x a10 reg season champ

5 x pac 10 reg season champ

3x time pac 10 tourney champ

4x reg season conference coach of the year

4 elite eights

4 sweet 16s

Brought in boum, olivari, and McKnight in the portal the last two seasons. I’ll trust with a clearer picture and timeline, he will get what he needs to get in the frontcourt.


Call me crazy but I’ll be concerned about the frontcourt situation when practice begins, if it’s still a concern, not 2-3 weeks into portal season.

[Xavier]

It is hard to argue what Sean has done when people throw away a season Sean took a roster that never finished higher than 6th in the big east or made the tournament and turned it into a 2nd place Big East finish, 3 seed and sweet 16. All while losing its second best player in the middle of the year.

Taking away one of the best seasons X has had to help make your argument isn’t a good look

[xuphan]

My question would be what would you have liked miller to be doing during this week that he could only be doing if he were in Cincinnati? That’s the point. There’s only so much you can do right now.

Great question XVILLE and I have thought about this after replying to some of the comments. The first and obvious one is to not be on vacation during a critical transfer portal window. Fans, alumni, donors, boosters have just watched the worst Xavier team in recent memory, have read numerous Cincinnati Enquirer articles about player after player leaving the program. Have seen the only two post players left sit out this season with potential career ending injuries with no update about whether they will even be able to play next season. Now they are reading that their coach is happily on vacation while the roster is a complete mess. That’s not a very good look for the head of the program to be on vacation with where the program is at currently.

So, what could Miller be doing instead. Well, the short answer is to market himself and the program out to the basketball world. For starters, he should be in Arizona during the Final Four week. Watching Q participate in the 3 point contest. Making inroads and connections with other coaches for future staff recruitment down the road. Making TV appearances, participating in interviews and TV segments to promote himself and the Xavier brand. That is what a lot of coaches have done in the past and they have said it has helped with recruiting. That’s what he should be doing. He can go on vacation in May after he has rebuilt the roster and have put the fanbase at ease.

[Xville]

Great question XVILLE and I have thought about this after replying to some of the comments. The first and obvious one is to not be on vacation during a critical transfer portal window. Fans, alumni, donors, boosters have just watched the worst Xavier team in recent memory, have read numerous Cincinnati Enquirer articles about player after player leaving the program. Have seen the only two post players left sit out this season with potential career ending injuries with no update about whether they will even be able to play next season. Now they are reading that their coach is happily on vacation while the roster is a complete mess. That’s not a very good look for the head of the program to be on vacation with where the program is at currently.

So, what could Miller be doing instead. Well, the short answer is to market himself and the program out to the basketball world. For starters, he should be in Arizona during the Final Four week. Watching Q participate in the 3 point contest. Making inroads and connections with other coaches for future staff recruitment down the road. Making TV appearances, participating in interviews and TV segments to promote himself and the Xavier brand. That is what a lot of coaches have done in the past and they have said it has helped with recruiting. That’s what he should be doing. He can go on vacation in May after he has rebuilt the roster and have put the fanbase at ease.

Judging by the nil numbers and the reports that x is now in line with the rest of the big East, I think most fans, alumni and boosters are fine with where x is even if there is a bit of uneasy about current roster.

Do we need some frontcourt guys? Of course. But almost every day that passes without a commit, you come on here and post about it.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, I just don’t understand all the handwringing on day whatever it is of the portal.

You asked earlier if this was Steele if I’d think differently? Hell yeah I would. He can’t coach and hasn’t done anything to deserve any benefit of the doubt. Miller has been doing this for twenty plus years with accolades all over the place. The constant discounting of what miller did just two seasons ago is incredibly frustrating

[xuphan]

What has he done? Oh boy.

Sweet 16 two years ago.

3x a10 reg season champ

5 x pac 10 reg season champ

3x time pac 10 tourney champ

4x reg season conference coach of the year

4 elite eights

4 sweet 16s

Brought in boum, olivari, and McKnight in the portal the last two seasons. I’ll trust with a clearer picture and timeline, he will get what he needs to get in the frontcourt.


Call me crazy but I’ll be concerned about the frontcourt situation when practice begins, if it’s still a concern, not 2-3 weeks into portal season.

Wait, we are using stats from his Arizona days to justify what he has done at Xavier? SMH

There is no point debating this. Surprised so many people seem happy that Miller is on the beach sipping fruity drinks as the Xavier roster is a complete mess and we are coming off the worst season in recent memory that even Steele couldn’t replicate. Good to know. I won’t call you crazy but we were in the same exact position last year in the portal with the front court. We all saw the end result of that.

I won’t be responding to this anymore. I don’t want to be portrayed as a Miller hater for questioning some of the decisions he had made. Seems like legit concerns especially after last season. I want him and the program to succeed and only time will tell if that will happen.

[Xavier]

[QUOTE=xuphan;781756]. Have seen the only two post players left sit out this season with potential career ending injuries with no update about whether they will even be able to play next season. Now they are reading that their coach is happily on vacation while the roster is a complete mess. That’s not a very good look for the head of the program to be on vacation with where the program is at currently. [QUOTE=xuphan;781756]


There was an update in January. Hunter was cleared for contact and could (and did) start practicing with the team. It was light stuff though. Freemantle was cleared to take part in non contact stuff. (So like work outs, individual work, etc). Sean mentioned it on his radio show. I haven’t seen an update since

*disregard Hunter, that was pre Achilles. That’s my bad

[Xville]

Wait, we are using stats from his Arizona days to justify what he has done at Xavier? SMH

There is no point debating this. Surprised so many people seem happy that Miller is on the beach sipping fruity drinks as the Xavier roster is a complete mess and we are coming off the worst season in recent memory that even Steele couldn’t replicate. Good to know. I won’t call you crazy but we were in the same exact position last year in the portal with the front court. We all saw the end result of that.

I won’t be responding to this anymore. I don’t want to be portrayed as a Miller hater for questioning some of the decisions he had made. Seems like legit concerns especially after last season. I want him and the program to succeed and only time will tell if that will happen.

Last year at this time we had a healthy hunter and a healing free. Situations are a bit different this year. Yes this past season was a disappointment and frustrating. However due to millers full body of work (which was my point in posting that) he receives a bit of a reprieve from me. Even if you don’t want to include that, he made a sweet 16 just two seaaons ago that with a healthy free may have been a final four team.

Trust me, if we have a second season in a row like the last one, I’ll be questioning miller and the direction of this program.

[MHettel]

My question would be what would you have liked miller to be doing during this week that he could only be doing if he were in Cincinnati? That’s the point. There’s only so much you can do right now.

He could be in a conference room with his staff and all the scouting reports they have put together so they can create a prioritized list of which players to go after.

You think an NFL GM would be in Aruba a couple weeks before the draft?

[Xville]

He could be in a conference room with his staff and all the scouting reports they have put together so they can create a prioritized list of which players to go after.

You think an NFL GM would be in Aruba a couple weeks before the draft?

Do you not think he has done that already? Come on.

Can he not do this while on vacation? Even when on vacation with my young kids, I’m still working in the mornings while they sleep. My guess is miller is not completely unplugged. This is 2024.

[Xville]

Hey mods this crosses a line don't you think? Maybe it's time this POS takes a little break.

Ah use a personal attack while calling out to the mods. Classic.

12.50 too much for your deep pockets?

[xuphan]

Since we are on a dead period and the coaches are on vacation. Let’s take a look at the current roster shall we?

PG McKnight: Solid point guard
SG Foster: Good transfer: Good scorer. Streaky 3 point shooter
SF Claude: Star scorer: Below Average 3 point shooter
PF Freemantle - Star if healthy: Hasn’t played in over a year. No idea if foot will hold up. Big question mark
C None on roster

Bench
PG: Green - hopefully steps up next year and is a solid backup.
SG: Powell - true freshman. Hopefully contributes like Swain last season.
SF: Swain - Hopefully is a solid 6 man for us next season.
SF/PF: Hunter - Hasn’t played in a year. No idea how much he will be able to help next season.

We currently have 6 healthy players and 2 big injury question marks on the roster. In my opinion we need a 3 point assassin for a SG/SF as well as 2 impact bigs and a rotational big for depth. Any updates on visits or making final lists of portal players. I know we made the final list for Alexis but that’s it.

[Xavier]

The two big ones right now are Toledo guard Dante Maddox Jr. and Delaware forward Jyare Davis.

Maddox averaged 15.6PPG, 4.3RPG, 2.8APG and 1.4SPG this season. He shot 40% from 3 this year, last year he shot 45%. It’s expected he visits after the dead period. The main schools are X/Illinois/TCU/Louisville. TCU had a visit and Louisville went to see him already. His original list had Kansas and Creighton as well- but the main teams are the four mentioned above.

The staff visited Davis this past week. I don’t know as much about him. He averaged 17.1 points and 7.5 rebounds a game. Apparently it’s down to X and Syracuse.

[A Fan]

The two big ones right now are Toledo guard Dante Maddox Jr. and Delaware forward Jyare Davis.

Maddox averaged 15.6PPG, 4.3RPG, 2.8APG and 1.4SPG this season. He shot 40% from 3 this year, last year he shot 45%. It’s expected he visits after the dead period. The main schools are X/Illinois/TCU/Louisville. TCU had a visit and Louisville went to see him already. His original list had Kansas and Creighton as well- but the main teams are the four mentioned above.

The staff visited Davis this past week. I don’t know as much about him. He averaged 17.1 points and 7.5 rebounds a game. Apparently it’s down to X and Syracuse.

Davis was a 1,700-point scorer at the prep level and committed to Providence ahead of offers from Miami, Florida, Virginia Tech, Rutgers and
St. John’s and Seton Hall. Suffered a concussion at Providence. Never played and left after the first year.

[MHettel]

Davis was a 1,700-point scorer at the prep level and committed to Providence ahead of offers from Miami, Florida, Virginia Tech, Rutgers and
St. John’s and Seton Hall. Suffered a concussion at Providence. Never played and left after the first year.

Maddox could solve the deep shooting need at SG. Davis has tweeter size and takes too many 3’s for a guy that hits 26%.

[xuphan]

Maddox could solve the deep shooting need at SG. Davis has tweeter size and takes too many 3’s for a guy that hits 26%.

A big that shoots too many 3 and only makes 26% coming from a lower level conference? Is that accurate? If so, hard pass.

[Xavier]

A big that shoots too many 3 and only makes 26% coming from a lower level conference? Is that accurate? If so, hard pass.

Who knows how Miller would use him. Everyone hated Hunter because he shot too many 3s with Steele. (Who didn’t) Sean fixed that fast and turned Hunter around. But if the plan is to bring him in to be a stretch 4, I’d say no thanks as well. Size could also be an issue, though he is taller than CJ Anderson and he worked out. As a rotational guy who knows.

[xuphan]

Who knows how Miller would use him. Everyone hated Hunter because he shot too many 3s with Steele. (Who didn’t) Sean fixed that fast and turned Hunter around. But if the plan is to bring him in to be a stretch 4, I’d say no thanks as well. Size could also be an issue, though he is taller than CJ Anderson and he worked out. As a rotational guy who knows.

He seems to knock down free throws so maybe a situation guy to play sparingly when needed. Definitely need depth in the front court.

[X-band '01]

Paul McMillan anyone? He’s in the transfer portal again. We should scoop him up lol.

Anyone with a brain and has seen high school ball knows objectively what high d1 talent looks like. It’s not hard.

Maybe XuperMAGA should convince Travis Steele to go after him and bring him to Mother Miami. That's a fair skill level.

[paulxu]

"Portal season."

Not something that one would necessarily look forward to.

[Xuperman]

Maybe XuperMAGA should convince Travis Steele to go after him and bring him to Mother Miami. That's a fair skill level.

This little jab at ol' Xup has gotten an unusual amount of run. One idiot brings it up at every chance. This is how it got started, for those that missed it.

I grew up a short walk to Woodward HS, Swifton Commons and the Cincinnati Gardens. In the mid/late 70's, I hooped in countless pick up games around the area, especially on the 1 rim digs in the Swifton projects behind the old shopping center. I played with several Paul McMillan IV relatives....possibly his dad. So, I started following IV and he was destroying all competition he faced....from very early on. After a dominant Summer circuit, he was a fast rising TOP 100 PG prospect, with numerous HIGH D1 offers AND he boasted a sterling 4.0 GPA. Total package, right?

https://247sports.com/college/ohio-state/LongFormArticle/Cincinnati-Woodward-2022-guard-prospect-Paul-McMillan-IV-mulling-offers-Cincinnati-Bearcats-Xavier-Musketeers-Louisville-Cardinals-165754324/

https://playeroftheyear.gatorade.com/winner/paul-mcmillan%20iv/39028#!

https://www.wcpo.com/sports/high-school-sports/woodwards-paul-mcmillan-iv-believed-to-be-the-first-cincinnati-public-schools-basketball-player-to-reach-2-000-points

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/high-school/high-school-sports/2021/12/05/paul-mcmillan-iv-scores-34-half-hits-2-000-points-woodward-win/8876931002/

I simply wanted our beloved Musketeers to go after this Local Legend HARD. So, when that didn't happen, and IV struggled to get traction as a Basketball player,...the Troll King douche decided to frequently point out that I have no idea what High D1 talent looks like, but of course he does. Not the experts and statistical realities in the above articles.....but TK Douche.

Remember kids...don't feed the Trolls.

[XUGRAD80]

A couple of points

1). Re Miller: I have no idea where he is TODAY. He was on vacation earlier because he responded to Lance McAlister (radio talk show guy) from Aruba. For all I know, he’s in Phoenix today. Although I don’t know what good going to Phoenix would do. There’s no recruits there.

2) re Miller: someone is concerned about how it LOOKS? Child, please. That’s weak.

3) re NIL: the final 2% is only one part of the total NIL package that X has put together. For more information on it, go the their website. It’s a student-athlete created and led organization that relies on donations as part of its fund raising. In addition to it are the businesses that are involved in sponsorship, etc. for the players. I do not have a number to give out, but I have read that the current NIL fund for X is comparable to other high major schools. I read where X missed out on Jones from DePaul last year because of the NIL, and that someone in the know said that wouldn’t happen this year.

4) X has contacted several players and is spending their biggest amount of time pursuing certain ones. They have a list and a plan. It’s a team effort. X has a complete staff that is working on it, not just the head coach. If you want to know who…spend some time on Twitter. Purchase a membership to a few recruiting sites. Heck, even the Cincinnati Enquirer has had a few articles on who they are recruiting. The information isn’t hard to find. I’ve no problem sharing information that isn’t behind a pay wall, and I’ve done that a few times, but I’m going to share information that I pay for, for free. That’s not fair to the people running the pay sites and doing all the work to get the information and then to write it up.

5) there are over 1000 names in the portal right now and maybe 30-40 have found a home so far. Relax. Expect a lot of movement starting next weekend after players start making campus visits and coaches start making in-home visits.

[Xville]

This little jab at ol' Xup has gotten an unusual amount of run. One idiot brings it up at every chance. This is how it got started, for those that missed it.

I grew up a short walk to Woodward HS, Swifton Commons and the Cincinnati Gardens. In the mid/late 70's, I hooped in countless pick up games around the area, especially on the 1 rim digs in the Swifton projects behind the old shopping center. I played with several Paul McMillan IV relatives....possibly his dad. So, I started following IV and he was destroying all competition he faced....from very early on. After a dominant Summer circuit, he was a fast rising TOP 100 PG prospect, with numerous HIGH D1 offers AND he boasted a sterling 4.0 GPA. Total package, right?

https://247sports.com/college/ohio-state/LongFormArticle/Cincinnati-Woodward-2022-guard-prospect-Paul-McMillan-IV-mulling-offers-Cincinnati-Bearcats-Xavier-Musketeers-Louisville-Cardinals-165754324/

https://playeroftheyear.gatorade.com/winner/paul-mcmillan%20iv/39028#!

https://www.wcpo.com/sports/high-school-sports/woodwards-paul-mcmillan-iv-believed-to-be-the-first-cincinnati-public-schools-basketball-player-to-reach-2-000-points

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/high-school/high-school-sports/2021/12/05/paul-mcmillan-iv-scores-34-half-hits-2-000-points-woodward-win/8876931002/

I simply wanted our beloved Musketeers to go after this Local Legend HARD. So, when that didn't happen, and IV struggled to get traction as a Basketball player,...the Troll King douche decided to frequently point out that I have no idea what High D1 talent looks like, but of course he does. Not the experts and statistical realities in the above articles.....but TK Douche.

Remember kids...don't feed the Trolls.

The funny part is your last sentence. Well, that and the fact that you keep bringing this up, and look more obnoxious and more ignorant every time. No one cares about your affection for McMillan, it’s a joke at this point and you get
Your balls all twisted up about it. Sorry I was right bud, he went to njit, then to central Michigan, was on the bench at both and now who knows. I’m sorry you struggle so much to accept the fact you were wrong. It’s ok to be wrong sometimes. Sorry that brings you such angst.

The other funny part is that another poster just made fun of you and it completely went over your head.

[MHettel]

The funny part is your last sentence. Well, that and the fact that you keep bringing this up, and look more obnoxious and more ignorant every time. No one cares about your affection for McMillan, it’s a joke at this point and you get
Your balls all twisted up about it. Sorry I was right bud, he went to njit, then to central Michigan, was on the bench at both and now who knows. I’m sorry you struggle so much to accept the fact you were wrong. It’s ok to be wrong sometimes. Sorry that brings you such angst.

The other funny part is that another poster just made fun of you and it completely went over your head.

13-7!

[Xville]

13-7!

Miller was only good because he coached in the a10 and Arizona!

[IM4X]

It just wouldn’t make sense that Sean would let every big who played for him this past season move on unless he had a pretty damn good idea he’d have improved replacements in addition to Free and Hunter for next season. Those two will be awesome to have, if both can stay healthy and get back to playing at the level they took their game to last season.

Still, I can not believe Sean and staff won’t have proper coverage this time around in case they Zach and Jerome can’t go. Also, the X coaches know they badly need to have multiple proven 3 points shooters and they must get an upgrade at center.

So I’m just going to believe Sean has this figured out. For all we know, Sean is in Aruba celebrating the new center, forward, and sharp shooter he’s already secretly locked up.

[xuphan]

13-7!

13-7?

[xuphan]

It just wouldn’t make sense that Sean would let every big who played for him this past season move on unless he had a pretty damn good idea he’d have improved replacements in addition to Free and Hunter for next season. Those two will be awesome to have, if both can stay healthy and get back to playing at the level they took their game to last season.

Still, I can not believe Sean and staff won’t have proper coverage this time around in case they Zach and Jerome can’t go. Also, the X coaches know they badly need to have multiple proven 3 points shooters and they must get an upgrade at center.

So I’m just going to believe Sean has this figured out. For all we know, Sean is in Aruba celebrating the new center, forward, and sharp shooter he’s already secretly locked up.

Hope you are right. He didn’t have it figured out last offseason with a starting 5.

[xuphan]

Xavier has reached out to Ohio State transfer Roddy Gayle Jr and Illinois State transfer Myles Foster

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

It just wouldn’t make sense that Sean would let every big who played for him this past season move on unless he had a pretty damn good idea he’d have improved replacements in addition to Free and Hunter for next season. Those two will be awesome to have, if both can stay healthy and get back to playing at the level they took their game to last season.

Still, I can not believe Sean and staff won’t have proper coverage this time around in case they Zach and Jerome can’t go. Also, the X coaches know they badly need to have multiple proven 3 points shooters and they must get an upgrade at center.

So I’m just going to believe Sean has this figured out. For all we know, Sean is in Aruba celebrating the new center, forward, and sharp shooter he’s already secretly locked up.

I guess my default position is in line with your first two paragraphs. Not sure he has it figured out but since I believe we have the right guy guiding the program, I trust he will. Grad80 tells us that Miller has a system in place to recruit the portal and that makes sense to me. I do wonder if he will make changes to his recruiting strategy, going forward, to either take better advantage of the portal or to minimize the disruption it causes to the program.

As far as whether or not our coach took some vacation time, cannot wait to get the discussion back to more relevant topics. These days you can do your job from a beach, a hotel room or an office and nobody at the other end of the phone knows the difference.

[A Fan]

To those confidently asserting, “Cool it! Sean and his coaching staff have everything under control. They’ll leverage this year’s transfer portal to construct a team capable of contending in the Big East,” I say I hope so , we can’t fail.
Last year’s roster was, by many accounts, the weakest in two decades. This disappointment extends beyond a single season; it’s a culmination of years of underperformance. Yes, 2023 was a bright spot—Miller inherited a robust roster from Steele, made a strategic addition, and secured a coveted tournament spot. However, that achievement was overshadowed by the past season, where Miller stood on his own.
Step back and view the upcoming season in context. Xavier’s recent track record includes five lackluster years out of the last six. It’s not merely about having a good year; it’s about altering the program’s trajectory. Look at Georgetown. They have a huge donor base across its undergraduate, law, medical, and Foreign Service Schools—a multiple of what other Big East institutions can claim. And yet, they find themselves stuck in a 10 year slide to oblivion. Tell me when they are going to get back to the top of the Big East. . If Xavier were to endure another four years mirroring the recent five, it will join them. . So the anxiety trancends concern about next year’s wins and losses; it’s about safeguarding the program’s long-term reputation and recruitment prospects.
We hope Sean can turn the tide, not just for a single season, but for the program’s legacy

[Xavier]

Yes, 2023 was a bright spot—Miller inherited a robust roster from Steele, made a strategic addition, and secured a coveted tournament spot. However, that achievement was overshadowed by the past season, where Miller stood on his own.

The roster was not a great one when Sean took over. Sean did a very good job fixing habits and getting the most of it.

1) No one liked Hunter. Fans groaned whenever he shot. He never used his size and mostly shot away from the basket. People wanted him gone. Miller completely changed him and gave him a role. Hunter even praised him for giving him a role he could embrace and excel at. Reminded me a sped up version of Farrs transformation at X

2) Kunkel was a good piece to fit his role in the team. If we brought in a player of that talent, on its own, wouldn’t be a big get now unless he was coming off the bench.

3)Zach was great, we beat the champs twice with him healthy. He was out from mid January on. Most important part of the year.

4)Nunge was great. Obviously

5) Sean gave Colby the confidence and he improved greatly over the summer. He probably would’ve done that regardless, though.

We had nothing else.


It was a good team that never accomplished anything before Sean. He got the most out of it with his scheme. As for worst roster in two decades, I’d argue if you took two best players off any X team in the last 20 years it would be comparable, if not better. You can be critical of Sean but be honest about it. Everyone agrees it’s a tournament team if they were healthy. That’s why I give it a slight pass but need a good season coming up before raising my eyebrows and being concerned

[xuphan]

The roster was not a great one when Sean took over. Sean did a very good job fixing habits and getting the most of it.

1) No one liked Hunter. Fans groaned whenever he shot. He never used his size and mostly shot away from the basket. People wanted him gone. Miller completely changed him and gave him a role. Hunter even praised him for giving him a role he could embrace and excel at. Reminded me a sped up version of Farrs transformation at X

2) Kunkel was a good piece to fit his role in the team. If we brought in a player of that talent, on its own, wouldn’t be a big get now unless he was coming off the bench.

3)Zach was great, we beat the champs twice with him healthy. He was out from mid January on. Most important part of the year.

4)Nunge was great. Obviously

5) Sean gave Colby the confidence and he improved greatly over the summer. He probably would’ve done that regardless, though.

We had nothing else.


It was a good team that never accomplished anything before Sean. He got the most out of it with his scheme. As for worst roster in two decades, I’d argue if you took two best players off any X team in the last 20 years it would be comparable, if not better. You can be critical of Sean but be honest about it. Everyone agrees it’s a tournament team if they were healthy. That’s why I give it a slight pass but need a good season coming up before raising my eyebrows and being concerned

They didn’t accomplish anything because Steele was a very poor coach. The talent was definitely there for sure and bringing in Boum certainly complemented the team really well. Hopefully Miller can restock the program back to the glory days.

[Xville]

Xavier has reached out to Ohio State transfer Roddy Gayle Jr and Illinois State transfer Myles Foster

Wait? Gayle? How? He entered the portal 3 days ago and miller was on vacation!! How?!!!! Lol.

[Xville]

Matt Painter:

“Nil wasn’t put in place so the schools with the most money could get the best players. But, if you want to be honest, that was happening before.”

Mic drop.

[MHettel]

Wait? Gayle? How? He entered the portal 3 days ago and miller was on vacation!! How?!!!! Lol.

13-7!

Mic drop

[Xville]

Remember we are supposed to believe everything coaches say hett or is that only for coaches that support your nonsense narrative about everything nil?

[Xuperman]

Maybe XuperMAGA should convince Travis Steele to go after him and bring him to Mother Miami. That's a fair skill level.

BTW,
Don't ever link me with MAGA. I am a Constitutional Conservative. DJT is an absolute embarrassment, but his policies are this Country's only hope to avoid an apparent shift to US socialism..... or WORSE.

[xuphan]

BTW,
Don't ever link me with MAGA. I am a Constitutional Conservative. DJT is an absolute embarrassment, but his policies are this Country's only hope to avoid an apparent shift to US socialism..... or WORSE.

RFK doesn’t give you hope as a third option?

[Xuperman]

RFK doesn’t give you hope as a third option?

I will answer on the Politics thread.

[D-West & PO-Z]

open court layup on this one....

NCST signed the #24 ranked transfer from a conference rival that they played TWICE this year. Huntley put up 30 pts, 17 rebs, 5 assist, 2 blocks and 2 steals against NCST. Coming out of High School, the kid was ranked #24 in the country, #7 at his position, and #1 in his state (Pennsylvania).

I can only IMAGINE the number of hours it took for them to find this guy.

Still completely ignoring the other half of the process. Dense on purpose or just dense?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Maybe Izzo is the only coach out there not working the portal during the tournament. that could be the key to making 8 Final Fours.



Well they MSU has ZERO Final 4's since NIL......sooooooo.....

Been out of the 1st weekend once in 3 years since NIL, same as Xavier.

Izzo might want to start caring about the portal.

[D-West & PO-Z]

No one post more here

You realize there is literally a way to fact check this right?

[D-West & PO-Z]

As for Steele vs miller, miller has earned the right to receive the benefit of the doubt. When he fails to go to 4 straight tournaments at Xavier, then I guess that benefit of the doubt will go away.


How the hell this needs to be stated is beyond me but spot on. Comparing Miller to Steele in any scenario makes zero sense.

[D-West & PO-Z]

What has Miller done to deserve the benefit of the doubt?

Is this a serious question? His resume speaks for itself, even at Xavier the 1st time. In each of his 2 offseasons he has brought in one of the best transfers into the BE each year from the portal.

Deep breaths.

[IM4X]

Hope you are right. He didnÂ’t have it figured out last offseason with a starting 5.

Before it was determined that Zach and Jerome couldnÂ’t play this past season, I think some of us wondered why Abou (backed up by Kachi) seemed like it was going to be enough at the 5 (unless Sean was counting on Zach playing a bit at the 5). After Free and Hunter were no longer available, I thought Sasa and Lazar were intriguing last minute pick ups and that might be able to play at a bit higher level than they did. Still we have to remember that they are Freshman thrown into to play at the BE level. . So while they didnÂ’t come come along a little faster than we all hoped this season. I thought maybe holding on to one of them he felt was most promising would have made sense. I think most of us are a little surprised that all four of them (Lazar, Sasa, Abou, and Kachi) are in the portal.

Like I alluded to in my previous post, it just doesnÂ’t make sense unless Sean knows Freemantle and Hunter are going to play next seasonÂ…

AND

a) Sean let the other centers on the team know his plan is to get another center who can play at a higher level than anything he saw this season and it might mean less playing time if none of them can improve next season.

b) the current Cs/PFs all left because they felt Sean did not praise them enough (this feels less likely).

c) Sean has a center pretty much locked up (maybe another international player who we are unaware of) that he knows will produce at a higher level next season.

[paulxu]

Isn't it correct that a player who enters the portal, can come back to his school (assuming the school wants him back)?

Suspect this is old school thought, but in this NIL/portal era, if a player goes into the portal it would seem he is:
1 - looking for more playing time, maybe at a 'better' location
2 - stepping down because he realizes he can play more at a lower lever instead of riding the pine/waiting to improve
3 - can get more NIL $ from another school

If he comes back to his original school (and they take him) I can't imagine what that does to team chemistry...if that exists anymore.
It would mean one of the 3 things didn't work out; but he didn't want to remain at his first school.
So much for the name on the front of the jersey.

[XUGRAD80]

Job skipping….as a way to get higher pay and promotions…has become normal in today’s work climate. It is considered a very acceptable and common practice by many people in the 20-40 year old demographic. My wife worked for the same company for 39 years. I basically worked for 2 companies over a 40 year career. Pensions, benefits, accrued vacation all were considerations and reasons for staying at companies. But these things barely exist any longer. Is it any wonder that college age kids don’t see moving from college to college as something wrong? That many are more about what THEY can get out of the experience and less about what they have to offer TO the schools? It’s something that they have seen in the work place and in professional sports their whole lives.

[IM4X]

I guess my default position is in line with your first two paragraphs. Not sure he has it figured out but since I believe we have the right guy guiding the program, I trust he will. Grad80 tells us that Miller has a system in place to recruit the portal and that makes sense to me. I do wonder if he will make changes to his recruiting strategy, going forward, to either take better advantage of the portal or to minimize the disruption it causes to the program.

As far as whether or not our coach took some vacation time, cannot wait to get the discussion back to more relevant topics. These days you can do your job from a beach, a hotel room or an office and nobody at the other end of the phone knows the difference.

I’ve got to believe Sean is continually tweaking his strategy as he gets better at understanding and playing the NIL game. l know he is amazed by Dan Hurley and his UCONN teams the past two years. Not just because of the results they’ve had over the past two years, but because of the way the team has been assembled which better positioned them for such success. I think Sean realized he (Sean) has relied too much on the old way of building a team: get your core guys from high school who you will develop and fill in one or two extra pieces you might still need with transfers/ players from the portal. That and the other old way of thinking that 7 or 8 solid players are all you really need in your rotation.

Finally, he knows the idea of “building a team for the future” might be a waste of time. Many high school kids can be misses and then those misses are filling up your scholarships slots with players who arenÂ’t even good enough to see the floor and compete at this level.

Sean realizes he needs to assemble more proven pieces - 9 or more players who have been consistent contributors on another team- and he needs each player to buy into the idea that they and the team both will benefit from all a little less playing time. They will be less fatigued and be able to play their best ball when they do get in the game… which greatly will improve the chance of being on a championship caliber team. sean also needs convince them that it is not important if they start or not because they will all play significant minutes and have their chance to shine. A bunch of good piece so there is little to no drop off at any point in the game.

I too am not concerned at all about his vacation status. Sean is not a slacker. He is very methodical and very determined to be better. His reputation as someone who gives his best and can prove he can compete and beat his peers is important to him.

[A Fan]

Job skipping….as a way to get higher pay and promotions…has become normal in today’s work climate. It is considered a very acceptable and common practice by many people in the 20-40 year old demographic. My wife worked for the same company for 39 years. I basically worked for 2 companies over a 40 year career. Pensions, benefits, accrued vacation all were considerations and reasons for staying at companies. But these things barely exist any longer. Is it any wonder that college age kids don’t see moving from college to college as something wrong? That many are more about what THEY can get out of the experience and less about what they have to offer TO the schools? It’s something that they have seen in the work place and in professional sports their whole lives.
And I would add. Many student - athletes prioritize sports over academics. And in fairness, the demanding schedules of practices, games, and travel can make it challenging to allocate sufficient time for studying and coursework. If they are good enough to demand NIL money can double down on sports and return to school when they have run out of options to continue sports. They develop a strong work ethic that will serve them well. Gallup surveys show student athletes have more favorable outcomes in their personal and professional lives. It is a great lifetime opportunity.

[Xavier]

Job skipping….as a way to get higher pay and promotions…has become normal in today’s work climate. It is considered a very acceptable and common practice .

…..yeah, it should be. And if I were good enough to play D1 bball I’d have to consider my options. If I’m likely to play in the NBA, money won’t be as important as developing. If Europe is my future- I’d try to get the most NIL I can. Never know when an injury is going to take you out. I’d want to maximize my earnings while I can. And for the guys whose future in bball is low end professional basketball, this might be the time they can earn the most.

Just my opinion. I definitely see the value and benefit of staying with your team and the lifelong relationship that brings. Not all about $.

[Xville]

Think it was mentioned already but Maddox has visits now scheduled with Louisville, Illinois and X. Already visited TCU.

Hate to sound negative but i don't see X winning this battle. Hope to be surprised.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Think it was mentioned already but Maddox has visits now scheduled with Louisville, Illinois and X. Already visited TCU.

Hate to sound negative but i don't see X winning this battle. Hope to be surprised.

Illinois already got AJ Storr. I would think TCU and Louisville with their massive amount of minutes are the draws here.

[Xavier]

Minutes could still open up here. Depends on Claude. But I’d assume he would start regardless

[xuphan]

Xavier has reached out to Michigan transfer Terrance Williams and Ohio State transfer Zed Key.

[kane79]

Xavier has reached out to Michigan transfer Terrance Williams and Ohio State transfer Zed Key.

WHAT?!?!!?! HOW?!?!?! isn't Miller still on vacation?

[Xville]

Oumar Ballo has entered the transfer portal. Far fetched but a man can dream----does he wanna come play his last year for his old buddy Sean Miller ?

[IM4X]

Xavier has reached out to Michigan transfer Terrance Williams and Ohio State transfer Zed Key.

Either would seem to be a nice get, though I read Key had surgery on his shoulder- I hope that isn’t an issue and he is able to play up to his potential.

It sure would be nice to hear that we landed 6-11/7ft center who can guard the rim and score 10+ a game.

[XUMIOH12]

Oumar Ballo has entered the transfer portal. Far fetched but a man can dream----does he wanna come play his last year for his old buddy Sean Miller ?

He has no connection to Miller. Would be an awesome addition, but I don't see it happening.

[Xville]

He has no connection to Miller. Would be an awesome addition, but I don't see it happening.

How does he not? he was the head coach when Ballo played his freshman year and im gonna go ahead and assume he had something to do with his recruitment.

[Xavier]

I’m not sure he was, I think Ballo was down to AZ and Gonzaga, choose Gonzaga but when Loyd went to Zona he went with him.

Still there’s a connection from they were recruiting him as he was down to Sean/Arizona or Few/gonzaga

[XUMIOH12]

How does he not? he was the head coach when Ballo played his freshman year and im gonna go ahead and assume he had something to do with his recruitment.

No, Ballo spent his first two years at Gonzaga (one redshirt, one actually playing) and then went with Lloyd to Arizona.

[Xville]

No, Ballo spent his first two years at Gonzaga (one redshirt, one actually playing) and then went with Lloyd to Arizona.

Woops! Completely my bad. I did not see that he was at Gonzaga freshman year. Thought it was all Arizona. Welp, even more of a pipe dream now. Carry on!

[XUMIOH12]

I’m not sure he was, I think Ballo was down to AZ and Gonzaga, choose Gonzaga but when Loyd went to Zona he went with him.

Still there’s a connection from they were recruiting him as he was down to Sean/Arizona or Few/gonzaga

I don't put too much stock in to that sort of "connection".

[xuphan]

WHAT?!?!!?! HOW?!?!?! isn't Miller still on vacation?

WasnÂ’t the point of my post but keep telling yourself that.

[OTRMUSKIE]

https://x.com/on3sports/status/1777755875593032001?s=46&t=GHqu0yJkeXI4uEuxKAeP-A

[GoMuskies]

Perhaps we can get some of the crumbs left over from the Kentucky and Arkansas situations.

[XUMIOH12]

https://x.com/on3sports/status/1777755875593032001?s=46&t=GHqu0yJkeXI4uEuxKAeP-A

He's going to SLU with the coach

[D-West & PO-Z]

https://x.com/on3sports/status/1777755875593032001?s=46&t=GHqu0yJkeXI4uEuxKAeP-A

Would love him at X but guessing he ends up at SLU with Schertz which is the 2nd best destination for me.

[xudash]

Would love him at X but guessing he ends up at SLU with Schertz which is the 2nd best destination for me.

It's just one particular instance, but it is rather interesting that he's following his coach to SLU (I'm assuming XUMIOH12's definitive statement means it is a done deal).

SLU is a great school, and you can't knock their facilities, given that they essentially copied the Cintas Center, but you could argue that he is "settling" for an A10 experience because of the emphasis he is placing on his relationship with his coach.

No problem, btw. It's actually rather refreshing if this is how all this is going down with him.

On a mostly unrelated note, how fortunate was Hurley to snag Newton and Spencer. They both start their careers at mid-majors and end up with the confetti dropping on their heads last night, with Newton living that dream twice.

I can still see the look on Newton's face after he fouled Freemantle, and we all know what happened after that. Technical City, Baby!

[paulxu]

Son of Uber Driver ?

[XU-PA]

Son of Uber Driver ?

If you saw him play, he carries a bit of "Stain" in him.
He's got an eye for the open shooter once he's doubled in the post.

[Xville]

Would love that guy on x but yeah good for him for apparently following his coach

[kane79]

It's just one particular instance, but it is rather interesting that he's following his coach to SLU (I'm assuming XUMIOH12's definitive statement means it is a done deal).

SLU is a great school, and you can't knock their facilities, given that they essentially copied the Cintas Center, but you could argue that he is "settling" for an A10 experience because of the emphasis he is placing on his relationship with his coach.

No problem, btw. It's actually rather refreshing if this is how all this is going down with him.

On a mostly unrelated note, how fortunate was Hurley to snag Newton and Spencer. They both start their careers at mid-majors and end up with the confetti dropping on their heads last night, with Newton living that dream twice.

I can still see the look on Newton's face after he fouled Freemantle, and we all know what happened after that. Technical City, Baby!

A player is making a decision on schools based on relationships and not strictly cash? Impossible

[Xville]

A player is making a decision on schools based on relationships and not strictly cash? Impossible

Yeah that’s not possible according to some clueless posters here. I mean there is one in particular here who probably thinks he’s going to slu because they offer the most nil not because he’s following the coach.

[xuphan]

Perhaps we can get some of the crumbs left over from the Kentucky and Arkansas situations.

Doesn’t seem like we are linked with any of their portal players. I’d be a bit more concerned about their coaches going after our main targets in the portal. Especially with Kentucky most likely having to rebuild their roster like Kelsey is having to do at Louisville.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Would love that guy on x but yeah good for him for apparently following his coach

Did you watch him play? He doesn't play any defense.

[Xville]

Did you watch him play? He doesn't play any defense.

Yeah watched them quite a bit this year. Loved their offense.

You’re right he’s not a defensive stopper and his feet are slow , but I still like him and would love him for x.

[XUBison]

Yeah that’s not possible according to some clueless posters here. I mean there is one in particular here who probably thinks he’s going to slu because they offer the most nil not because he’s following the coach.

SLU doesn’t offer NIL?

[Xville]

SLU doesn’t offer NIL?

I dunno if they do or not, guessing they do? Maybe dwest could weigh in on that one, but he isn’t going to slu (if that’s indeed the case) because they are offering the most nil dollars.

[XUBison]

I dunno if they do or not, guessing they do? Maybe dwest could weigh in on that one, but he isn’t going to slu (if that’s indeed the case) because they are offering the most nil dollars.

I guess that makes sense. Any idea what sort of offers he’s turned down from other schools?

[D-West & PO-Z]

I guess that makes sense. Any idea what sort of offers he’s turned down from other schools?

He is in the portal with a do not contact designation assigned to his name. Which means he likely has his destination already known, which would seem likely to be SLU given Schertz is the new coach.

I have no doubt he would be highly coveted if he opens it up to everyone and doesnt just follow Schertz to SLU.

SLU has an NIL collective yes but I am not in tune with the goings on of the program to know enough about the amount the collective has.

SLU has some big donors though led by billionaire Richard Chaifetz (SLU's arena is named after him due to his leading contribution to the project).

[Xville]

I’d have to think that Avila who is 6’10 240 and shoots near 40% from 3 and passes like the big stain, could command a pretty big nil number. I’d think slu could be outbid on the open market, that’s all I’m saying. Avila also said on maybe svp’s show, can’t remember but said something about there being more important things than money.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I’d have to think that Avila who is 6’10 240 and shoots near 40% from 3 and passes like the big stain, could command a pretty big nil number. I’d think slu could be outbid on the open market, that’s all I’m saying. Avila also said on maybe svp’s show, can’t remember but said something about there being more important things than money.

Absolutely. If Cream does end up at SLU it isn't about money it's about his relationship with Schertz.

[Xville]

Brendan Hausen in the portal.....rumor is Uconn

[MHettel]

Brendan Hausen in the portal.....rumor is Uconn

Interesting stat line for this guy. took 160 3 pt attempts in 598 minutes player. Only took 16 2 pt attempts. 15 FT attempts all season. unremarkable Reb / asst/ Stl / TO /PF numbers.

Shoots 39% from 3, which is very good (but not GREAT). Seems very one dimensional. Figure UConn would be able to fins this kind of shooter that also fills the stat sheet in other areas.

[Xville]

Interesting stat line for this guy. took 160 3 pt attempts in 598 minutes player. Only took 16 2 pt attempts. 15 FT attempts all season. unremarkable Reb / asst/ Stl / TO /PF numbers.

Shoots 39% from 3, which is very good (but not GREAT). Seems very one dimensional. Figure UConn would be able to fins this kind of shooter that also fills the stat sheet in other areas.

My guess is that he'd be a rotational player if it is UCONN, but the other thing to consider is he would be going from Neptune to Hurley.

[XUBison]

I’d have to think that Avila who is 6’10 240 and shoots near 40% from 3 and passes like the big stain, could command a pretty big nil number. I’d think slu could be outbid on the open market, that’s all I’m saying. Avila also said on maybe svp’s show, can’t remember but said something about there being more important things than money.

I get that, but I suspect the “do not contact” status does not preclude anyone from making NIL offers to that player. I also suspect SLU can muster up enough NIL cash for a single player, especially an impact player that could help generate excitement around the new coaching hire. I’m sure Avila’s NIL package will be a competitive one, whether he ends up at SLU or not. I mean, is Schertz really asking him to take a shitty NIL deal and leabve behind the comfort of his teammates, friends, fans, girlfriend/boyfriend— all so he can play at… (checks notes)… SLU? If so, I’d say that kid needs to find some better *relationships*; perhaps with a coach who gives a damn about his best interests.

Anyway, I doubt Schertz is that much of an A-hole, and I’m sure Avila will do just fine. His game does have personality cachet, so maybe he has real NIL opportunities that render the pay-for-play NIL less relevant.

I do feel for Sycamore fans. They have an (almost) dream season, then their coach moves on and all five starters bolt for the portal. — “Sorry you didn’t make the tourney. Better luck next time!” — Oh well, I’m sure their new coach will do a bang-up job backfilling with D-2 transfers; maybe some NAIA studs.

[XUBison]

My guess is that he'd be a rotational player if it is UCONN, but the other thing to consider is he would be going from Neptune to Hurley.

Your second point may be the most important one. Hurley would clearly get the most out of him, but man, Nova’s gotta get rid of that guy. Did they learn nothing from our Steele experiment?

[MHettel]

Your second point may be the most important one. Hurley would clearly get the most out of him, but man, Nova’s gotta get rid of that guy. Did they learn nothing from our Steele experiment?

I get the point that Hurley can get the most out of someone, but wouldn't Hurley still want to focus on guys that have all the tools? Why take a one dimensional guy and try to build his skillset to solid across the board when you can take a dude like Newton and turn him into an All-American.

[Xville]

Probably getting ahead of ourselves, just a rumor for now. My guess he would be a rotational player and if Hurley does take him, I’m not questioning anything he’s doing at this point.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I get that, but I suspect the “do not contact” status does not preclude anyone from making NIL offers to that player. I also suspect SLU can muster up enough NIL cash for a single player, especially an impact player that could help generate excitement around the new coaching hire. I’m sure Avila’s NIL package will be a competitive one, whether he ends up at SLU or not. I mean, is Schertz really asking him to take a shitty NIL deal and leabve behind the comfort of his teammates, friends, fans, girlfriend/boyfriend— all so he can play at… (checks notes)… SLU? If so, I’d say that kid needs to find some better *relationships*; perhaps with a coach who gives a damn about his best interests.

Anyway, I doubt Schertz is that much of an A-hole, and I’m sure Avila will do just fine. His game does have personality cachet, so maybe he has real NIL opportunities that render the pay-for-play NIL less relevant.



This whole part of your post is ridiculous.

Now players who want to play for a specific coach and aren't most concerned about making the most money are in relationships with asshole coaches who should be telling them to go elsewhere? Huh? Not sure I am following your logic. Seems like your are reaching to try and make a move fit your agenda.

Also, he will probably play with more current teammates at SLU than if he was staying at ISU.

Strange post.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I get the point that Hurley can get the most out of someone, but wouldn't Hurley still want to focus on guys that have all the tools? Why take a one dimensional guy and try to build his skillset to solid across the board when you can take a dude like Newton and turn him into an All-American.

Perhaps he sees him not as one dimensional but poorly coached, similar to a Jerome Hunter situation? Who knows, but again, possible UConn isnt interested anyway.

[D-West & PO-Z]

This whole part of your post is ridiculous.

Now players who want to play for a specific coach and aren't most concerned about making the most money are in relationships with asshole coaches who should be telling them to go elsewhere? Huh? Not sure I am following your logic. Seems like your are reaching to try and make a move fit your agenda.

Also, he will probably play with more current teammates at SLU than if he was staying at ISU.

Strange post.

"Hey coach, congrats on your new job, I am really happy for you, and actually if you'll have me I would love to keep playing for you."

"But Cream, I can find some NIL money for you but you'll be leaving a lot on the table."

"Coach, I what is most important to me is playing for a coach I know and have a great relationship with, and one that understands my game and can help me develop it."

"Can't do it Cream, I'm not that big of an asshole. Good luck at (fill in the blank) P5 program."

[MHettel]

"Hey coach, congrats on your new job, I am really happy for you, and actually if you'll have me I would love to keep playing for you."

"But Cream, I can find some NIL money for you but you'll be leaving a lot on the table."

"Coach, I what is most important to me is playing for a coach I know and have a great relationship with, and one that understands my game and can help me develop it."

"Can't do it Cream, I'm not that big of an asshole. Good luck at (fill in the blank) P5 program."

Im a little lost about this whole back and forth.

There are several distinct scenarios out there. There is one scenario where a kid decides to enter the portal, and then we speculate on whether he's looking for the best NIL, or find that perfect relationship, or play for a blueblood, or close to home, or play for a winner etc. Izzo says the first question he is asked is about NIL. My opinion is that MOST of the kids prioritize money over all else, but of course it's not an ABSOLUTE situation. Its not that ALL kids will ALWAYS take a higher NIL over a lower NIL under any circumstances. But I guarantee when these decisions get made and a kid has to decide on his next school, NIL is in the mix and likely is the most heavily weighted "criteria." 2 equal offers where NIL is the tiebreaker will be a HEAVY lean to the Money.

with THAT said, this situation with Avila seems to be different. He didnt enter the portal until AFTER his coach left. You could argue that his relationship with the coach is a reason why he wouldn't have entered the portal in the first place. I fully agree that relationships may be a reason NOT to enter the portal. We've never discussed that. We've just discussed the players that were actually IN the portal. SO my theory is that Avila stays at ISU if the coach had stayed. And then by extension, logic suggests that his entering the portal was done solely to follow his coach. I dont see this as an NIL vs Relationship scenario.

Apples and Oranges here.

[xuphan]

Im a little lost about this whole back and forth.

There are several distinct scenarios out there. There is one scenario where a kid decides to enter the portal, and then we speculate on whether he's looking for the best NIL, or find that perfect relationship, or play for a blueblood, or close to home, or play for a winner etc. Izzo says the first question he is asked is about NIL. My opinion is that MOST of the kids prioritize money over all else, but of course it's not an ABSOLUTE situation. Its not that ALL kids will ALWAYS take a higher NIL over a lower NIL under any circumstances. But I guarantee when these decisions get made and a kid has to decide on his next school, NIL is in the mix and likely is the most heavily weighted "criteria." 2 equal offers where NIL is the tiebreaker will be a HEAVY lean to the Money.

with THAT said, this situation with Avila seems to be different. He didnt enter the portal until AFTER his coach left. You could argue that his relationship with the coach is a reason why he wouldn't have entered the portal in the first place. I fully agree that relationships may be a reason NOT to enter the portal. We've never discussed that. We've just discussed the players that were actually IN the portal. SO my theory is that Avila stays at ISU if the coach had stayed. And then by extension, logic suggests that his entering the portal was done solely to follow his coach. I dont see this as an NIL vs Relationship scenario.

Apples and Oranges here.

Xavier has reached out to the Mongolian Mike sharavjamts who is a transfer from USF. Think our PA announcer may struggle with this name if he hits back to back 3s for us.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Im a little lost about this whole back and forth.

There are several distinct scenarios out there. There is one scenario where a kid decides to enter the portal, and then we speculate on whether he's looking for the best NIL, or find that perfect relationship, or play for a blueblood, or close to home, or play for a winner etc. Izzo says the first question he is asked is about NIL. My opinion is that MOST of the kids prioritize money over all else, but of course it's not an ABSOLUTE situation. Its not that ALL kids will ALWAYS take a higher NIL over a lower NIL under any circumstances. But I guarantee when these decisions get made and a kid has to decide on his next school, NIL is in the mix and likely is the most heavily weighted "criteria." 2 equal offers where NIL is the tiebreaker will be a HEAVY lean to the Money.

with THAT said, this situation with Avila seems to be different. He didnt enter the portal until AFTER his coach left. You could argue that his relationship with the coach is a reason why he wouldn't have entered the portal in the first place. I fully agree that relationships may be a reason NOT to enter the portal. We've never discussed that. We've just discussed the players that were actually IN the portal. SO my theory is that Avila stays at ISU if the coach had stayed. And then by extension, logic suggests that his entering the portal was done solely to follow his coach. I dont see this as an NIL vs Relationship scenario.

Apples and Oranges here.

1. Nothing I wrote has anything to do with you or any of your opinions. I was responding to someone else's very specific post and has nothing to do with you.

2. Avila couldn't have left before his coach left (unless he wanted to leave during their NIT run).

[X-band '01]

Xavier has reached out to the Mongolian Mike sharavjamts who is a transfer from USF. Think our PA announcer may struggle with this name if he hits back to back 3s for us.

You mean the same guy who started his career at Dayton? I'd love to see the exploding heads if he comes to Xavier.

We should also add that this USF is San Francisco (not South Florida).

[xuphan]

You mean the same guy who started his career at Dayton? I'd love to see the exploding heads if he comes to Xavier.

We should also add that this USF is San Francisco (not South Florida).

Looks like he started at Dayton and transferred to San Fran for a year. He is a razor thin 6’8 guard who can shoot it. Would be an interesting pickup for sure with his past at Dayton.

[Xville]

Avila is in the portal and could go for the bag. He’s not, because of a relationship with his coach. To me it’s certainly still nil vs relationship. Just a different scenario.

And bison I certainly wasn’t saying he wouldn’t be getting some nil money at slu. I’m sure he will. just saying at his size and his offensive skills, he could go to the highest bidder if he wanted and I’d give about a .0001% chance that would be slu.

[Xavier]

It’s not always about money. Sometimes it’s about role. IE wanting to be a feature PG to show NBA you are able to.

[flatspat]

Louisville 's Tre White committed to Illinois
Does that help X chances with Maddux from Toledo

[MHettel]

1. Nothing I wrote has anything to do with you or any of your opinions. I was responding to someone else's very specific post and has nothing to do with you.

2. Avila couldn't have left before his coach left (unless he wanted to leave during their NIT run).

Well nothing you wrote made any sense. So how could I tell?

[MHettel]

Avila is in the portal and could go for the bag. He’s not, because of a relationship with his coach. To me it’s certainly still nil vs relationship. Just a different scenario.

And bison I certainly wasn’t saying he wouldn’t be getting some nil money at slu. I’m sure he will. just saying at his size and his offensive skills, he could go to the highest bidder if he wanted and I’d give about a .0001% chance that would be slu.

Or said differently that relationship would have kept him at ISU if his coach was still there. Right?

So he’s in the portal for reason that are different than why other kids enter the portal

[Xavier]

Louisville 's Tre White committed to Illinois
Does that help X chances with Maddux from Toledo

Seems like it’s down to Louisville and X. He will still visit with Illinois, and X is the last visit scheduled, which is sometimes a good thing. So long as he doesn’t commit before then.

[atljar]

Book of faces is claiming Des is gone...

[Xavier]

Book of faces is claiming Des is gone...

That’s the rumor. (Not sure who book of faces is) And it’s not NIL related. His “team” (family) thinks he needs to be the focal PG and that just isn’t happening here. He just hasn’t shown that ability yet

[D-West & PO-Z]

Well nothing you wrote made any sense. So how could I tell?

Ha, ok, that says a lot when it comes to this topic and you.

[D-West & PO-Z]

That’s the rumor. (Not sure who book of faces is) And it’s not NIL related. His “team” (family) thinks he needs to be the focal PG and that just isn’t happening here. He just hasn’t shown that ability yet

Interesting. Would he have to transfer to a lesser school to do that? Level or middling non power power conference team? Surely he isn't going to get a better opportunity when a struggling X team doesnt think he can be the PG? Maybe I am wrong though.

[Xavier]

I mean, McKnight is the PG. Sean wants to have two PGs on the floor at all times. But make no mistake McKnight is for sure the main PG.

No clue where he’d go. Rumor was UConn was slightly interested. But I’d be shocked if he’d be their best option for PG, too.

I’m only going off of the Trilly stuff and some 3-4 day old stuff from the other site. A lot can change in that time.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I mean, McKnight is the PG. Sean wants to have two PGs on the floor at all times. But make no mistake McKnight is for sure the main PG.

No clue where he’d go. Rumor was UConn was slightly interested. But I’d be shocked if he’d be their best option for PG, too.

I’m only going off of the Trilly stuff and some 3-4 day old stuff from the other site. A lot can change in that time.

While I have no idea and wouldn't be shocked either way, the other sites goal is to drive traffic. Not saying what is reported there is BS by any means but maybe more likely to hear something possible and run with the possibility. Sort of like the Miller to OSU thing.

[Xville]

Dead period ends today....about to see a flurry of activity!

[XUGRAD80]

There is a fantastic article on the NiL system that went up yesterday on 24/7. It’s part of the pay to read section so I’m not sharing the whole article or the link. It’s a long article with a lot of good information, but here is a small excerpt that I don’t mind sharing….

“The median Power 5 collective NIL payroll for this season was approximately $750,000, according to Jason Belzer, the CEO of Student Athlete NIL, and he expects that number to double to $1.5 million for next year. Belzer's SANIL company works with the collectives for a wide range of basketball programs, from more prominent schools like Syracuse and Notre Dame to basketball-only powerhouses like Creighton to smaller schools such as Duquesne and Austin Peay. It gives him a good sense of the marketplace data and what worked and didn't work this past season.”

Further in the article it states that the BE had the highest median NIL average of any of the power conferences. It doesn’t state anywhere what Xavier spent. It also points out many schools that spent well over $1M and missed the tourney or had no success in it. So just throwing money at players certainly isn’t any guarantee of success.

One more point…..it states that the cost of the NIL for basketball is far less than it is for football (which stands for reason) so boosters that are looking for a bigger bang for their buck in regards to having the biggest influence are pouring money into BB right now. I hadn’t thought of that, but it makes sense. Other than QB it’s hard to see any single football player having the impact that one BB player can have.

[GoMuskies]

Funny the mention of Duquesne. I suspect their NIL budget is about to go through the roof for a year.

[XUMIOH12]

I mean, McKnight is the PG. Sean wants to have two PGs on the floor at all times. But make no mistake McKnight is for sure the main PG.

No clue where he’d go. Rumor was UConn was slightly interested. But I’d be shocked if he’d be their best option for PG, too.

I’m only going off of the Trilly stuff and some 3-4 day old stuff from the other site. A lot can change in that time.

Yep, been a thing for a while. His family/handlers want him to play PG. Think the uconn stuff is more from his camp than uconn, but who knows. A couple other schools have been rumored, we'll find out soon enough.

[Xville]

Yep, been a thing for a while. His family/handlers want him to play PG. Think the uconn stuff is more from his camp than uconn, but who knows. A couple other schools have been rumored, we'll find out soon enough.

I get it from his side if he ends up wanting out for position change. He could look at Colby and say well, I could just remain a 3 be a 2nd round pick and then get taught how to play PG once I get to the NBA. However, if he goes PG now in college and does well, now you're talking first round pick and a large guaranteed contract due to his size and athleticism.

I wouldn't fault him, it would suck but is what it is.

[Xville]

This kid is down to six schools. I like his size and 3point % . Could be that replacement for Des if he leaves or quincy:

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/4703167/dakota-leffew

Nova
Syracuse
Pitt
South carolina
Georgia
X

[D-West & PO-Z]

How sought after was the 7 footer from St. Joes that Providence just landed? Was only a freshman.

[A Fan]

How sought after was the 7 footer from St. Joes that Providence just landed? Was only a freshman.
Apparently he was sought after. And with Bentley Joseph on board they have done well. Interesting that Kim English says “ we have plenty of money…won’t be out bid”.
https://www.providencejournal.com/story/sports/college/2024/04/10/7-foot-center-christ-essandoko-commits-to-providence-again/73282315007/

[MHettel]

I get it from his side if he ends up wanting out for position change. He could look at Colby and say well, I could just remain a 3 be a 2nd round pick and then get taught how to play PG once I get to the NBA. However, if he goes PG now in college and does well, now you're talking first round pick and a large guaranteed contract due to his size and athleticism.

I wouldn't fault him, it would suck but is what it is.

I could see this backfire. A PG has to be a shooter in the NBA. He will have to prove himself as a shooter at the college level to have any shot at PG in the pros. I think he should stick to what he does best (off ball) and hope we can get a better offense built around him. An improved front court can allow him a little more space and the ability to drop off some inside passes. If he could shoot better, I get it. The Colby example is a good one. Show defensive versatility and put up some efficient offensive stats.

[Xville]

I could see this backfire. A PG has to be a shooter in the NBA. He will have to prove himself as a shooter at the college level to have any shot at PG in the pros. I think he should stick to what he does best (off ball) and hope we can get a better offense built around him. An improved front court can allow him a little more space and the ability to drop off some inside passes. If he could shoot better, I get it. The Colby example is a good one. Show defensive versatility and put up some efficient offensive stats.

Colby couldn't shoot until his third year either. To me, Claude's stroke looks good, he doesn't have any kind of weird hitch or anything, I think it was the nagging injury and confidence.

Just playing devils' advocate, even if his shooting doesn't rachet up, it'd be better for him from an NBA draft perspective to show what he can do at the 1 with his driving and passing ability than what he can do at the 3. I know positionless basketball but still.

Regardless, I'd be a little surprised at this point if he entered just because it's been a few weeks now, but maybe he has agents working the back channels to see what his options are before he officially enters the portal. Or, waiting to see what his NIL is from X. I dunno, just thinking out loud.

[Xville]

portal opens in 30 mins...about to get crazy

[xuphan]

portal opens in 30 mins...about to get crazy

Hope so! Time for Miller to work his magic.

[Xavier]

X appears to be in with a handful of really solid guards and wing players still. I’d like to keep Des but I think X will be in very good shape regardless. They have some visits lined up over the next 7-10 days that I’m pretty excited about.

Des is obviously someone I’d prefer. Just, remember throughout the season he was a heavily debated player on the board about if he was good or not. IMO A very good player that needs to add to his game this summer to become a great player.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

You want to keep the known player, and I agree with others on here that if he wants his best shot at the NBA it's in the Jones mold. Jones shot threes better and played better defense. Though defense was a tough gauge this season with a lack of front court talent. His defense could get tons better next season. If he wants more on-ball time at the point he needs to leave.

[atljar]

I just really hope Sean is back from the beach! :pumpiron:

[Xavier]

I just really hope Sean is back from the beach! :pumpiron:

Agreed. Though I have a source that said if Sean went to OSU, Mack would’ve been slotted in. Not sure Charleston changes that.

[Xville]

Agreed. Though I have a source that said if Sean went to OSU, Mack would’ve been slotted in. Not sure Charleston changes that.

Missed our chance at Kelsey. I'd take him over Mack in a heartbeat.

[Xavier]

To each their own. I’ve never been a big Kelsey fan, but I know a lot of the fanbase is.

Sean to Kentucky is a very realistic option right now. At least it’s more than 0% chance. Guessing they’d go through a few other names first, but Sean is on the list.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

To each their own. I’ve never been a big Kelsey fan, but I know a lot of the fanbase is.

Sean to Kentucky is a very realistic option right now. At least it’s more than 0% chance. Guessing they’d go through a few other names first, but Sean is on the list.

Miller is on the list but he is way down that list. He has had one good season and one terrible season at X. If UK grabs him, it will be at a discount relative to their normal pay scale. I still say they will look at a guy like Beard who continues to just win everywhere he goes.


On Kelsey, I actually knew him in school. I watched Charleston every chance I could and his team just does not play very good defense. They score a ton, but when teams clamp down on his offense they lose.

[Xavier]

We will see. It seems like there is a second tier list of 3-4 guys, and Sean is one of them. I haven’t seen Beard anywhere. I’d sign up for him in a second though, agreed he is a winner.

But he hasn’t been linked to Kentucky at all from what I’ve seen and heard (Matt Jones did an X spaces last night. Underwood and miller were brought up as people Kentucky had had some talks with to gauge interest if it got to that level)

[webxu]

I dont know how Will Wade isnt a candidate for any of these openings. That guy has baggage but thorugh the lens of NIL now, he should be a home run hire. He has won everwhere. Would be interesting to see what he could do at a major school now that his past transgressions are all fixed through NIL.

[xuphan]

Miller is on the list but he is way down that list. He has had one good season and one terrible season at X. If UK grabs him, it will be at a discount relative to their normal pay scale. I still say they will look at a guy like Beard who continues to just win everywhere he goes.


On Kelsey, I actually knew him in school. I watched Charleston every chance I could and his team just does not play very good defense. They score a ton, but when teams clamp down on his offense they lose.

Quick! Someone check if there are any scheduled flights from Lunken to Lexington.

[Xavier]

According to Trilly who like I said before- while he has good info he also gets a lot wrong- says that Pope (byu) Pearl, and Sean are the second tier. Beard could be included in that but he would put him in the tier after the second one.

I don’t think Billy Donavan has declined yet. So he’s probably the top of the list after Hurley and Drew declined

[D-West & PO-Z]

According to Trilly who like I said before- while he has good info he also gets a lot wrong- says that Pope (byu) Pearl, and Sean are the second tier. Beard could be included in that but he would put him in the tier after the second one.

I don’t think Billy Donavan has declined yet. So he’s probably the top of the list after Hurley and Drew declined

For whatever reason Matt Jones doesn't think Hurley has said no.

[Xavier]

For whatever reason Matt Jones doesn't think Hurley has said no.

Norlander reported it’s not happening.

https://x.com/mattnorlander/status/1778489757472821557?s=46&t=KSvFnm-Lpouy3B6BA2rQBg

[Xville]

Honestly, I'm not sure if he can play at the BE level but former Mr. Basketball from KY, Dontaie Allen just entered the portal. Two years at UK and then last two at Western. I wonder if him and Dayvion are/were buds.

[GoMuskies]

Didn't we recruit Allen pretty heavily out of high school?

[Xville]

Didn't we recruit Allen pretty heavily out of high school?

I think so? He's got some girth to him that would play well in the Big East, but I didn't watch him play at WKU at all. His stats are pretty meh, and looks like he didn't even start at WKU. Peaked in high school.

[Xville]

How will the Logan Duncomb xavier era be remembered?

Just committed to Winthrop ?

[MHettel]

How will the Logan Duncomb xavier era be remembered?

Just committed to Winthrop ?

How much would I like to know about that situation. Duncolmb and Abou seemed like a nice haul in the portal last year. One guy was a highly rated kid out of HS that just had a stretch of bad luck, and the other was a veteran, effective big from a small conference.

Then Duncolmb quits, abruptly. wonder why?

[drudy23]

How much would I like to know about that situation. Duncolmb and Abou seemed like a nice haul in the portal last year. One guy was a highly rated kid out of HS that just had a stretch of bad luck, and the other was a veteran, effective big from a small conference.

Then Duncolmb quits, abruptly. wonder why?

Having watched him many times (HS and College), I just don't think he's good enough as a Big East (or Big Ten) big. I think he's landed at the level that fits him the best. I think he will do well at a school like Winthrop, and could seem to find some comfort in a place where he has a true role.

[paulxu]

We've lost our way.

Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
One college coach just told me that a player’s representative called asking for excess of $1.5 million in NIL.

The player is not yet in the portal.
12:28 PM · Apr 11, 2024
·
656.8K
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[XUGRAD80]

Didn't we recruit Allen pretty heavily out of high school?

Yes, he was a solid projection for X until his dream school UK offered. However, he hurt his knee his senior year of HS and has never really recovered fully. Definitely lost a step of his quickness and some of his leaping ability. I don’t see X going after him now.

[XUMIOH12]

Yes, he was a solid projection for X until his dream school UK offered. However, he hurt his knee his senior year of HS and has never really recovered fully. Definitely lost a step of his quickness and some of his leaping ability. I don’t see X going after him now.

Yep. He's cooked. Not someone Xavier would be interested in at this point.

[xuphan]

We've lost our way.

Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
One college coach just told me that a player’s representative called asking for excess of $1.5 million in NIL.

The player is not yet in the portal.
12:28 PM · Apr 11, 2024
·
656.8K
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Claude?

[XUBison]

I don’t see Sean garnering real interest from UK. I can’t imagine he would go over well with their fan base. Notwithstanding this past season, Sean had already gained a reputation at Arizona for not being able to win big games, and that was before the fizzle of his last few years there. I mean, there’s a reason we were able to bring him back. (Pitchfork disclaimer: I firmly believe this (mis)perception is our serendipity.)

[MHettel]

We've lost our way.

Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
One college coach just told me that a player’s representative called asking for excess of $1.5 million in NIL.

The player is not yet in the portal.
12:28 PM · Apr 11, 2024
·
656.8K
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But also, relationships matter....

[xuphan]

But also, relationships matter....

Well, if it is Claude he is 100% gone. No relationship when this type of information is leaked out by a coach. Also not a team player if you are demanding that type of NIL from a school. More of a me first attitude. Hopefully this is a different player at a different program.

[94GRAD]

Well, if it is Claude he is 100% gone. No relationship when this type of information is leaked out by a coach. Also not a team player if you are demanding that type of NIL from a school. More of a me first attitude. Hopefully this is a different player at a different program.

It is 1000% not Des!!!!

[bjf123]

We've lost our way.

Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
One college coach just told me that a player’s representative called asking for excess of $1.5 million in NIL.

The player is not yet in the portal.
12:28 PM · Apr 11, 2024
·
656.8K
Views

I’m sorry, but this is fucking stupid.


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[Xville]

Well, if it is Claude he is 100% gone. No relationship when this type of information is leaked out by a coach. Also not a team player if you are demanding that type of NIL from a school. More of a me first attitude. Hopefully this is a different player at a different program.

I wouldnt trust everything that Goodman says as gospel, and that number is so far from almost all numbers that are rumored out there besides maybe Dickinson that I doubt it’s close to anything des’ ask.

[Xavier]

Another thing to remember. Schools, agents, and players all inflate the actual number. It looks good for everyone involved.

Having said that- most believe Kansas spent the most NIL this year and it resulted in Selfs worst year at Kansas.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Well, if it is Claude he is 100% gone. No relationship when this type of information is leaked out by a coach. Also not a team player if you are demanding that type of NIL from a school. More of a me first attitude. Hopefully this is a different player at a different program.

I have an acquaintance who is an important booster at another university in this region where, like Xavier, basketball is the front porch. He told me that the team's returning "5", who is pretty good and had not entered the portal, told the powers that be, that he was promised $1.0 million if he transferred. The player indicated that he would enter the portal if he could not get a similar deal from his current school. The booster told me the collective came up with approximately $800K and a new SUV and that sealed the players return.

I know this guy is close to the program and a visible and high-end supporter of the school's basketball program. So, I believe what he told me.

I echo PaulXU. We have indeed lost our way.

[A Fan]

Jay Wright was known for recruiting and developing players. So it was interesting but not surprising to see him say that model does not work today. He says the portal plus the extra Covid year creates seasoned 21 to 23 year old players versus 18 year olds. And that maturity and experience creates a big gap.
Jay Wright: Building with young talent no longer works in college hoops

[paulxu]

Wouldn't it be fascinating if someone like Dan Hurley said..."we're not paying any NIL. We'll pay for college, all expenses, and give you some walking around money; but none of this nonsense. Come here to win championships and get a good shot at the pros. Go somewhere else for your NIL dollars. We're not playing that game."

(Yes, I know. Fantasy land.)

[Xville]

Wouldn't it be fascinating if someone like Dan Hurley said..."we're not paying any NIL. We'll pay for college, all expenses, and give you some walking around money; but none of this nonsense. Come here to win championships and get a good shot at the pros. Go somewhere else for your NIL dollars. We're not playing that game."

(Yes, I know. Fantasy land.)

Not to the extreme above but Hurley in his interviews lately have said things similar to the above. They don’t want guys that are on their third college or have switched aau teams fifteen times etc. He also said they don’t want guys whose first question is what’s the bag etc.

I think there probably are quite a few coaches that operate this way, some the opposite but I think there is some hope out there.

[MHettel]

Not to the extreme above but Hurley in his interviews lately have said things similar to the above. They don’t want guys that are on their third college or have switched aau teams fifteen times etc. He also said they don’t want guys whose first question is what’s the bag etc.

I think there probably are quite a few coaches that operate this way, some the opposite but I think there is some hope out there.

Easy to do that coming off the heels of Back to Back Championships.

For every guy like Hurley, there are 10 guys that have been in their jobs for 5 years and the seat is getting warm. They need a big season to stay employed. Standards drop pretty quickly when desperation sets in.

[Xville]

Easy to do that coming off the heels of Back to Back Championships.

For every guy like Hurley, there are 10 guys that have been in their jobs for 5 years and the seat is getting warm. They need a big season to stay employed. Standards drop pretty quickly when desperation sets in.

True, and I’m sure there are guys out there where desperation does set in, but I think there are guys like Hurley too that just say this is what we are going to do and if it doesn’t work or I get fired, then fuck it. I’ll take my millions and peace out. Probably the same it’s always been just like before when there wasn’t nil.

[XUBison]

True, and I’m sure there are guys out there where desperation does set in, but I think there are guys like Hurley too that just say this is what we are going to do and if it doesn’t work or I get fired, then fuck it. I’ll take my millions and peace out…

I think the new coach at UK would probably get drawn and quartered if he took this approach. Peace out, as in, rest in peace.

[Xville]

I think the new coach at UK would probably get drawn and quartered if he took this approach. Peace out, as in, rest in peace.

Why? Not like Hurley isn’t using nil, he’s just not picking up the guys who have been to three schools or the guys who only care about the bag and don’t want to be a team player and win championships.

[A Fan]

Wouldn't it be fascinating if someone like Dan Hurley said..."we're not paying any NIL. We'll pay for college, all expenses, and give you some walking around money; but none of this nonsense. Come here to win championships and get a good shot at the pros. Go somewhere else for your NIL dollars. We're not playing that game."

(Yes, I know. Fantasy land.)


Being a college basketball coach is obviously a lot more challenging . Recruiting and developing high school players so they can get experience and the enter the portal sucks. Re- recruiting those same players to stay when others offer more money sucks more. Being a fan of a sport once loved and seeing its evolution into a a mercenary business is disconcerting. Recognizing the players deserve compensation is some comfort. They work hard, entertain, and generate revenue. Yet it doesn’t bridge the gap . The emotional connection fades as the money becomes the a priori reason for playing. A philosopher would say we are mourning the loss of the perceived innocence of amateur sports.

[Xavier]

Looks like kentucky is going with Pope

[X-band '01]

Habemus Papam?

(insert white smoke reference)

[Xavier]

Matt jones is saying among the tier 2 guys, two of them were removed due to past ncaa stuff. He doesn’t know why, and who had that say, but that’s why two guys got eliminated. Seems like it was Sean and someone else

[Xville]

lol hysterical. Sean miller has zero excuses…. X should be running this shit for the foreseeable future. Kelsey is some real competition but other than that, no reason x shouldn’t be dominating this region along with Louisville for the next decade.

[XUBison]

Why? Not like Hurley isn’t using nil, he’s just not picking up the guys who have been to three schools or the guys who only care about the bag and don’t want to be a team player and win championships.

Relax, it was a bad joke. I was speaking to the dropping of standards in desparation. The UK coach is desperate from day one, and UK fans have no standards. That said, UConn was Cam Spencer‘s third stop, so maybe Hurley is just full of shit.

[Xville]

Relax, it was a bad joke. I was speaking to the dropping of standards in desparation. The UK coach is desperate from day one, and UK fans have no standards. That said, UConn was Cam Spencer‘s third stop, so maybe Hurley is just full of shit.

He certainly could be! Probably about 99% of them are :) .

[Xavier]

Of course he is. He talks about how he hates the portal stuff. He doesn’t want to get guys who go from team to team.

His backcourt was transferred in.

[XUBison]

Matt jones is saying among the tier 2 guys, two of them were removed due to past ncaa stuff. He doesn’t know why, and who had that say, but that’s why two guys got eliminated. Seems like it was Sean and someone else

Pearl?

[Xavier]

Pearl?

Just according to Matt Jones, they decided not to interview beard, miller, and Pearl for “various” reasons.

[GoMuskies]

To be honest, if Miller actually wants to leave at this point, I hope he fucking gets lost.

But I would assume he's not looking to go anywhere.

[flatspat]

Ballo visiting Louisville next week

[xuphan]

Ballo visiting Louisville next week

Hopefully he take the trip of 71 North and checks out the Cintas Center as well.

[94GRAD]

Hopefully he take the trip of 71 North and checks out the Cintas Center as well.

In a meeting with boosters yesterday morning, Ballo's name came up. Sean said Ballo will get one million+ and X has not and will not reach out to him.

[Xville]

In a meeting with boosters yesterday morning, Ballo's name came up. Sean said Ballo will get one million+ and X has not and will not reach out to him.

Makes sense. You aren't leaving Arizona for a light payday.

[Xavier]

Arizona fresh off of two disappointing tournaments are losing Ballo and Boswell. Boswell was off and on but pretty promising guy. Him going to Illinois has to help with the Maddox battle.

[Xville]

Arizona fresh off of two disappointing tournaments are losing Ballo and Boswell. Boswell was off and on but pretty promising guy. Him going to Illinois has to help with the Maddox battle.

yeah agreed. It's louisville I worry about the most there. Louisville has like 5-6 guys coming in this weekend including Maddox.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Being a college basketball coach is obviously a lot more challenging . Recruiting and developing high school players so they can get experience and the enter the portal sucks. Re- recruiting those same players to stay when others offer more money sucks more. Being a fan of a sport once loved and seeing its evolution into a a mercenary business is disconcerting. Recognizing the players deserve compensation is some comfort. They work hard, entertain, and generate revenue. Yet it doesn’t bridge the gap . The emotional connection fades as the money becomes the a priori reason for playing. A philosopher would say we are mourning the loss of the perceived innocence of amateur sports.

Well said.

[murray87]

Somehow this needs to be reigned in with some type of spending cap like the NFL (the only place socialism works). But hoping the NCAA can do anything worthwhile is a fools errand.

[xu82]

I thought players deserved more freedom to move around, and I don’t mind them being paid. Unfortunately, the resulting product is something I care for much less than the old fashion roster building we were used to.

[Xavier]

It’s tough. I honestly think the only way to slow it down is the transfer rule again. Being able to freely transfer is as big a part as NIL. Just like before, a cap does next to nothing. Matt Painter said it’s always been happening it was just illegal before.

Anyways, X is in on a handful of really solid players. Who knows where it ends up, I am cautiously excited about what the team could look like next year

[flatspat]

It’s tough. I honestly think the only way to slow it down is the transfer rule again. Being able to freely transfer is as big a part as NIL. Just like before, a cap does next to nothing. Matt Painter said it’s always been happening it was just illegal before.

Anyways, X is in on a handful of really solid players. Who knows where it ends up, I am cautiously excited about what the team could look like next year

IsTownsend from Oakland one of them

[MHettel]

It’s tough. I honestly think the only way to slow it down is the transfer rule again. Being able to freely transfer is as big a part as NIL. Just like before, a cap does next to nothing. Matt Painter said it’s always been happening it was just illegal before.

Anyways, X is in on a handful of really solid players. Who knows where it ends up, I am cautiously excited about what the team could look like next year

Matt painter did not say that.

[Xavier]

Matt painter did not say that.

I mean…“NIL wasn't put into place so the schools with the most money could get the best players," he told reporters. "But if you want to be honest, that was happening before but illegally."

What do you think he means by illegally? Right after discussing schools with the most money getting the best players?

[D-West & PO-Z]

I mean…“NIL wasn't put into place so the schools with the most money could get the best players," he told reporters. "But if you want to be honest, that was happening before but illegally."

What do you think he means by illegally? Right after discussing schools with the most money getting the best players?

Haven't you learned you cannot present facts and quotes and stats to Hett when debating this topic? Only conjecture, opinion, fear, and dismay are applicable.

[bobbiemcgee]

Matt painter did not say that.

"NIL wasn't put into place so the schools with the most money could get the best players," he told reporters. "But if you want to be honest, that was happening before but illegally." - Matt Bleacher report

[Xville]

Haven't you learned you cannot present facts and quotes and stats to Hett when debating this topic? Only conjecture, opinion, fear, and dismay are applicable.

So excited to see his spin on this one

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I find it ironic that Paypal Cal and UK would pass on Pearl and Miller because of "various reasons". Co'worker's nephew played at UK for 2 years under Cal. I know exactly how much he got paid. I do not believe Miller/Pearl were not interviewed for past transgressions.

[Xville]

I find it ironic that Paypal Cal and UK would pass on Pearl and Miller because of "various reasons". Co'worker's nephew played at UK for 2 years under Cal. I know exactly how much he got paid. I do not believe Miller/Pearl were not interviewed for past transgressions.

Barnhart is a bible thumper who likes the illusion of being “clean.” He didn’t want to hire cal because of baggage. He basically got told you will hire him or you’re fired. This time he didn’t give an f. It’s why Drew was the first pick.

[GIMMFD]

Barnhart is a bible thumper who likes the illusion of being “clean.” He didn’t want to hire cal because of baggage. He basically got told you will hire him or you’re fired. This time he didn’t give an f. It’s why Drew was the first pick.

Honestly a relatively big gamble from him too, if Pope's tenure goes south, I see him getting axe'd as well as it seems he was the one really pushing for this to happen (granted that's a rumor)

[GIMMFD]

I thought players deserved more freedom to move around, and I don’t mind them being paid. Unfortunately, the resulting product is something I care for much less than the old fashion roster building we were used to.

Agreed wholeheartedly, the NCAA never thought this could happen and had absolutely zero plan in place on how to tackle it. The amount of income some of these guys generate for a university is insane, I do think they should get compensated for that, and you should have a choice to move schools as well. If a regular student can transfer 60 times, I can understand how it's unfair for athletes to have strict guidelines in place. All I know is navigating this process now must be one helluva headache, I don't think it's a coincidence a lot of the legends in coaching have been walking away in basketball and football both recently.


It’s tough. I honestly think the only way to slow it down is the transfer rule again. Being able to freely transfer is as big a part as NIL. Just like before, a cap does next to nothing. Matt Painter said it’s always been happening it was just illegal before.

Anyways, X is in on a handful of really solid players. Who knows where it ends up, I am cautiously excited about what the team could look like next year

Yeah, I like the transfer rule being in place, however special circumstances should still be honored. The only thing is the NCAA is absolutely garbage at deciphering that, like that case with that VT football player who applied for a waiver because he transferred back home because his mother GOT BRAIN CANCER and wanted to be closer to home.. the logic that organization uses is so maddening. Another way (though illegal right now) I thought of is tying NIL to multi-year deals, may help with some of the roster parity, but I don't even know how to begin to regulate that in a fair way either.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

My opinion is you tackle it two fold.

Portal get hit with a 1 free transfer with no sitting out. Second is on your and you sit. No more graduate transfers leave and play right away. Hardship transfers are case by case or you leave the graduate rule in place and eliminate hardship transfers entirely. I read too many hardship requests that are ridiculous.

NIL is tricky, you can't cap it because that is anti-free market. Two year deals would lock in a player that might be a headache or just not good. It would also make college sports even more professional in appearance. I think the NIL stuff could be left alone and allow the "market" to sort itself out. Kids will ask for 1.5M or whatever, not get it, and suddenly find themselves without a roster spot or at a school they don't want to play. If you insert better transfer rules, NIL can fix itself with just market forces.

[Xville]

My opinion is you tackle it two fold.

Portal get hit with a 1 free transfer with no sitting out. Second is on your and you sit. No more graduate transfers leave and play right away. Hardship transfers are case by case or you leave the graduate rule in place and eliminate hardship transfers entirely. I read too many hardship requests that are ridiculous.

NIL is tricky, you can't cap it because that is anti-free market. Two year deals would lock in a player that might be a headache or just not good. It would also make college sports even more professional in appearance. I think the NIL stuff could be left alone and allow the "market" to sort itself out. Kids will ask for 1.5M or whatever, not get it, and suddenly find themselves without a roster spot or at a school they don't want to play. If you insert better transfer rules, NIL can fix itself with just market forces.

I agree with everything you said about the transfer portal. Great call.

NIL I dunno. I think the top guys that are asking for that money, have been getting that kind of money for a long time now even before NIL. Not sure that's ever going to change if you don't put some kind of guardrails up, to at least try to reign it in a bit.

Would it be possible to have a salary cap for every p6 team with transparent numbers? That's what I'd like to see. You're going to have some cheating probably, but at least there is something,? I dunno. Its tough.

[MHettel]

Matt Painter:

“Nil wasn’t put in place so the schools with the most money could get the best players. But, if you want to be honest, that was happening before.”

Mic drop.

My bad, I thought you were referring to this quote….

[webxu]

Why couldn't the NCAA/NIL implement contracts, if they are getting paid to play, that essentially makes them professionals anyway. Have them sign contracts for 1,2,3 years etc. That locks player to school and school to player for that timeline.

[Xville]

My bad, I thought you were referring to this quote….

yeah he said that one too...since ya know, it's the same quote without the additional illegal word in it.

[MHettel]

yeah he said that one too...since ya know, it's the same quote without the additional illegal word in it.

Well, “illegal” part of the quote is kind of the salient point, don’t ya think?

Why would you have omitted that when you quoted it previously?

[Xville]

Well, “illegal” part of the quote is kind of the salient point, don’t ya think?

Why would you have omitted that when you quoted it previously?


And...here's the spin. Knew it was coming. Tell me... when I gave the quote, what do you think Painter could have possibly meant by "before?" My bad, I guess you need things spoon fed to you like a baby. Either that or you're just being an ass per usual because you can't ever admit you're wrong.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I agree with everything you said about the transfer portal. Great call.

NIL I dunno. I think the top guys that are asking for that money, have been getting that kind of money for a long time now even before NIL. Not sure that's ever going to change if you don't put some kind of guardrails up, to at least try to reign it in a bit.

Would it be possible to have a salary cap for every p6 team with transparent numbers? That's what I'd like to see. You're going to have some cheating probably, but at least there is something,? I dunno. Its tough.

A cap makes sense in a professional league to promote competition and it's the teams that pay out salaries. An NIL cap is complicated since I believe the teams aren't doling out the money. It's these NIL pots which I thought work outside of the school's control. I am probably wrong there though. Some on here should give me better information.

The portal could be limited to one free transfer per career and a free transfer if the coach leaves/terminated.

[Xville]

A cap makes sense in a professional league to promote competition and it's the teams that pay out salaries. An NIL cap is complicated since I believe the teams aren't doling out the money. It's these NIL pots which I thought work outside of the school's control. I am probably wrong there though. Some on here should give me better information.

The portal could be limited to one free transfer per career and a free transfer if the coach leaves/terminated.

You’re right about the money coming from the collectives and not the schools but feel like there should be some way to do the cap thru that? Probably a pipedream but a cap with some transparent numbers would be nice.

[waggy]

Eventually there will be players union. It’s the only way to collectively bargain. Title IX is the monkey wrench I think.

[MHettel]

And...here's the spin. Knew it was coming. Tell me... when I gave the quote, what do you think Painter could have possibly meant by "before?" My bad, I guess you need things spoon fed to you like a baby. Either that or you're just being an ass per usual because you can't ever admit you're wrong.

Because it’s a true statement. The teams with the most money were getting the best players.

That’s what you quoted.

If that was all he said, then what it comes down to is your interpretation of what he “meant”.

I look at a quote like that and just see that it can be true without some overinterpretation.

Putting the “illegal” part into the quote changes the basic meaning. It no longer needs to be dissected by everyone to determine what he was saying.

[GoMuskies]

Eventually there will be players union. It’s the only way to collectively bargain. Title IX is the monkey wrench I think.

I'm just wondering how they're going to avoid ruining the system for someone like my daughter who is getting an INCREDIBLE deal as a scholarship athlete in a non-revenue sport. If it goes union, do they just get rid of those sports or scholarships?

I just need something resembling this current system to last three more years. Please.

[94GRAD]

I'm just wondering how they're going to avoid ruining the system for someone like my daughter who is getting an INCREDIBLE deal as a scholarship athlete in a non-revenue sport. If it goes union, do they just get rid of those sports or scholarships?

I just need something resembling this current system to last three more years. Please.

I'm assuming since you aren't paying for tuition, all that money you're saving is going toward the X NIL fund. :yahoo:

[GoMuskies]

I'm assuming since you aren't paying for tuition, all that money you're saving is going toward the X NIL fund. :yahoo:

In my mind, I'm not saving any morey for two reasons:

1) Do you know how much 10 years of club gymnasics costs?!?

2) I wasn't planning to pay for grad school. Now I am.

Also, I try to make up for wasting all my time/energy on sports by only giving money to the university itself. It eases my conscience somehow.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Eventually there will be players union. It’s the only way to collectively bargain. Title IX is the monkey wrench I think.

Only a matter of time until they are employees of the school and then yes unions will make sense from there.

[D-West & PO-Z]

In my mind, I'm not saving any morey for two reasons:

1) Do you know how much 10 years of club gymnasics costs?!?

2) I wasn't planning to pay for grad school. Now I am.

Also, I try to make up for wasting all my time/energy on sports by only giving money to the university itself. It eases my conscience somehow.

HA, as to point #1, I have a cousin with a daughter who is a very talented soccer player. He is very determined to have her get a full ride scholarship for soccer in college. My cousins sisters tease him that if he just saved all the money they spend on her soccer traveling (and associated costs) that he would already have college paid for!

[Xville]

This dude has two visits scheduled....X and Nebraska...X is first next week.

A big boy...nothing too exciting, but would be a good rotational guy

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/4432897/john-hugley-iv

[94GRAD]

In my mind, I'm not saving any morey for two reasons:

1) Do you know how much 10 years of club gymnasics costs?!?

2) I wasn't planning to pay for grad school. Now I am.

Also, I try to make up for wasting all my time/energy on sports by only giving money to the university itself. It eases my conscience somehow.

:perfect10:

[D-West & PO-Z]

This dude has two visits scheduled....X and Nebraska...X is first next week.

A big boy...nothing too exciting

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/4432897/john-hugley-iv

At least he had put up serviceable backup type numbers as a big man in 2 power conferences. I'd take him as a backup in a heartbeat. Good size.

I am guessing he had an injury that really has effected him after seeing the soph numbers at Pitt and then the next season barely playing and then the subsequent numbers.

[Xville]

Free "announces" that he will return to X next season. So, good news and hopefully he's all healed up and ready to roll.

[Xville]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4711306/brandon-garrison

Here's a guy that X has targeted, with Texas and Oklahoma as comp right now. Good numbers for a freshman and a big boy.

[UCGRAD4X]

It's not, "The teams with the most money." Rather it's "The teams with the most wealthy backers who are willing to give their money who really don't care about ROI." Unless you include saying, "Yeah!"

[D-West & PO-Z]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4711306/brandon-garrison

Here's a guy that X has targeted, with Texas and Oklahoma as comp right now. Good numbers for a freshman and a big boy.

Yes just saw that. Former McD AA.

That would be a great addition.

[MHettel]

This dude has two visits scheduled....X and Nebraska...X is first next week.

A big boy...nothing too exciting, but would be a good rotational guy

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/4432897/john-hugley-iv

Soph season looked good. Wonder what happened the next 2 years? Not much rim protection.

Big guy for sure. Wonder about our pace and his ability to get up and down. Looks like a very good backup and possible starter (or 50/50 split time guy)

[MHettel]

Yes just saw that. Former McD AA.

That would be a great addition.

Yeah. This guy should be plan A. 3 years remaining, which we really need

[xudash]

You’re right about the money coming from the collectives and not the schools but feel like there should be some way to do the cap thru that? Probably a pipedream but a cap with some transparent numbers would be nice.

I'm just spitballing here (my apologies to Jack Nicholson), but in a world of computers, financial reporting, general IRS overreach and a little legislation to tighten up the leaky data points, I wonder if some form of mandatory reporting clearinghouse could be established to monitor all of this.

First of all, I have to believe that NIL monies are documented and tracked through 1099 reporting to the IRS. Otherwise, I believe a major stress point with the status quo is the exempt status of some of the NIL entities that exist, because we know they have absolutely nothing to do with charitable activities or public good, given that they're really all about purchasing talent:

https://www.alston.com/en/insights/publications/2023/10/the-irss-latest-play-on-nil-collectives

Somethings Gotta Give (see what I did there). Can monitoring be done in such a manner as to capture most legal activity? Sure, it takes collective agreement and willpower to sew the right systems and processes together to get there. Are there certain schools that are in no rush to do that? Yep.

I'll just say that, should we get to unions and direct compensation from the universities themselves, then watch out. That could - may most likely - lead to cuts in non-revenue sports. The Title IX crowd will go ballistic.

Last comment: have you guys watched the most recent SM Podcast with Billy O'Conner (Xavier's Baseball Coach). What a class act. The point is that talented programs adjust. Talented programs find a way to navigate change. Sean Miller is the same way. X is a small school as compared to B1G and SEC schools and we have our limitations, but we also have great leadership that isn't shrinking from the challenge. And, for the millionth time, thank God we're in the Big East. That alone should enable us to play well in the sandbox moving forward.

[XUGRAD80]

Thank God we are in the BE….agree. But that hasn’t helped Gtown or DePaul all that much. Need more than that to hang their hat on.

[JTG]

I thought players deserved more freedom to move around, and I don’t mind them being paid. Unfortunately, the resulting product is something I care for much less than the old fashion roster building we were used to.

Paid is one thing, I read somewhere Ballo's asking price is $1.1mil. That's crazy money.

[A Fan]

“I'll just say that, should we get to unions and direct compensation from the universities themselves, then watch out. That could - may most likely - lead to cuts in non-revenue sports. The Title IX crowd will go ballistic.”



While unionization of college basketball could stabilize both transfers and flatten compensation it is unlikely to happen at schools who have boosters who are willing to pour money into their collective to get the best talent. For a college basketball team to unionize, at least 30% of the players must petition to have a union election.Then, 50% of the players who actually vote (not all players) must vote in favor for the union to be certified.
The Dartmouth basketball team voted 13-2 to join a union. Colleges most likely to see sports unionization
are those without the highest-profile, highest-earning athletes who can earn significant NIL money. This is because highly-paid players may not want a union contract that benefits all employees at a lower level than what the top players can earn on their own. In response, the college could potentially cut non-revenue sports programs. This could be done without violating Title IX, as long as the participation opportunities and resource allocation remain proportionate to the enrollment of each gender.
For the foreseeable future, as long as Xavier’s collective is paying players who might fight unionization to protect their disproportionate compensation. not much will change. At the very wealthy Schools, they can accommodate unionization so all players get paid , with the Stars getting their add on compensation from the Collective for their NIL.

[IM4X]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4711306/brandon-garrison

Here's a guy that X has targeted, with Texas and Oklahoma as comp right now. Good numbers for a freshman and a big boy.

He might stay in the state and go to Oklahoma - but he would be a great addition if we can get him.

Mobile 6’11 Center - think this might be the perfect fit for him and X.

Mr. Garrison, together with Freemantle, Hunter, McNight, Claude, Swain, Green, Powell, Foster plus two/ three more productive portal pieces you could be playing for a National Championship.

[JTG]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4711306/brandon-garrison

Here's a guy that X has targeted, with Texas and Oklahoma as comp right now. Good numbers for a freshman and a big boy.

I prefer at least one guy like this to have for a few years as opposed to all being one year rentals.

[xu82]

Paid is one thing, I read somewhere Ballo's asking price is $1.1mil. That's crazy money.

Might he get it? If you were his age, what would you ask for? I don’t blame the person, it’s just a broken system.

[xuphan]

In a meeting with boosters yesterday morning, Ballo's name came up. Sean said Ballo will get one million+ and X has not and will not reach out to him.

Thanks for the info. Seems like the perfect fit for us to compete at the top of the Big East.

[xuphan]

This dude has two visits scheduled....X and Nebraska...X is first next week.

A big boy...nothing too exciting, but would be a good rotational guy

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/4432897/john-hugley-iv

A big boy indeed. Would be a good backup but not the impact center we desperately need. He also has had some sort of off the court issue. I am sure Sean has looked into it. I’d take him as a backup if the off the court stuff is in the past.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Not to get to political, but how many of you on here are thinking an NIL cap vs. free market approach. It is an interesting discussion and might need to be moved, but it's an emerging market where traditional free market thinkers are fans also that want stiff regulations applied to even out the playing field.