The Final 2%

[Xville]

Using quotes, rosters, data, anything factual is all useless when debating with Hett. He's right, you're wrong, college basketball is ruined and he's gloating, evidence be damned!

I just wonder if he got his “ i was right” t-shirt yet?

[MHettel]

I just wonder if he got his “ i was right” t-shirt yet?

I did get it, but it was f’d up. I told them I wanted 13-7 on the back and they screwed up and put 8-10.

[A Fan]

My only point on Pitino was regarding his hypocrisy. When he came to SJU he sent all but 1-2 of the returning players packing, brought 3-4 of his Iona players with him, recruited transfers from all over the place......and then has the audacity to complain about how hard it's making his job and how it's bad for the smaller schools in the lower leagues.

Not exactly the person whose comments I would post up to show how bad the new world is.

On the other hand....FAU was able to keep all of their players who got to the final 4 last year. Why? because of the relationship they all had with their coach. All of them could have left for money, better facilities, and more exposure and all of them decided to stay. The key there was its was the decision by each PLAYER to stay or go. I don't hear the FAU coach complaining about the NIL and transfer rules.

In the past it has always been on the coaches to decide, and the players had little or no part in that decision. Coaches ran off the players they didn't want and replaced them with players they did want. The year-to-year scholarship system gave all the power to the coaches. Players did what they were told, or they didn't get their scholarships renewed. Player performed to the level the coaches wanted, or they were not renewed. Not every player transferred because they wanted to. Without the transfer rules becoming laxer we would not have all the movement we have. The NIL has not caused things to change near as much as the transfer rule changes have. Even if we didn't have the new NIL system we would still have a lot of movement.

My prediction: We will see the scholarship athletes deemed by the courts to be employees of the schools. We will see 2- or 3-year contracts signed by the HS players and schools when they come out of HS. The players will become free agents at the end of those contracts.
I second your prediction. College Athletes will be employees. Just as many did not like Pitno being the basketball spokesperson for what’s wrong with the system even more will dislike Nick Saban being the football spokesperson. And he knows employees status is coming. And for those that think that granting employees status to the football and basketball players won’t affect other sports listen to what he says. And tell me …..why is he wrong.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nick-saban-wants-players-to-be-able-to-get-paid-but-i-dont-want-them-to-be-employees-193817384.html

[Xville]

I second your prediction. College Athletes will be employees. Just as many did not like Pitno being the basketball spokesperson for what’s wrong with the system even more will dislike Nick Saban being the football spokesperson. And he knows employees status is coming. And for those that think that granting employees status to the football and basketball players won’t affect other sports listen to what he says. And tell me …..why is he wrong.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nick-saban-wants-players-to-be-able-to-get-paid-but-i-dont-want-them-to-be-employees-193817384.html

I don't know the exact revenue/profit numbers that the power programs are working with, but I call bullshit on the "if we make the kids' employees that will mean the elimination of other sports' programs because there isn't a gigantic pile of money." The SEC schools make 50 million a year on tv alone. IMO there may be an elimination, but it will be because the Alabama's of the world just don't want them, not because they can't properly fund them.

[XUGRAD80]

I don't know the exact revenue/profit numbers that the power programs are working with, but I call bullshit on the "if we make the kids' employees that will mean the elimination of other sports' programs because there isn't a gigantic pile of money." The SEC schools make 50 million a year on tv alone. IMO there may be an elimination, but it will be because the Alabama's of the world just don't want them, not because they can't properly fund them.

Maybe the Alabama’s of the world can absorb the costs of paying football and basketball players…..and an equal number of women athletes at the same time…..maybe not. I certainly have never seen their financial books so I can’t say. But they are the exception and not the rule. 99% of the other colleges can’t, or will simply choose not to. Either way it’s the athletes in those programs cut (which number far more than the number that play football and basketball) that will suffer. Not a good thing no matter who is at fault.

[JTG]

Student athletes becoming employees opens all sorts of cans of worms. Employee injuries become Workers Compensation issues and are governed by the state the school is in. As are the benefits. Income taxes need to be paid in each state they have a game in. What's next, retirement plans, 401ks. And if your qb is getting $2.5 mil, and the fb team gets $25 mil, how much do you think that leaves for the tennis team or field hockey? It's a mess now and will just be a bigger mess in the future.

[Xville]

Maybe the Alabama’s of the world can absorb the costs of paying football and basketball players…..and an equal number of women athletes at the same time…..maybe not. I certainly have never seen their financial books so I can’t say. But they are the exception and not the rule. 99% of the other colleges can’t, or will simply choose not to. Either way it’s the athletes in those programs cut (which number far more than the number that play football and basketball) that will suffer. Not a good thing no matter who is at fault.

I agree mostly. I think every power five conference wouldn’t have a problem affording it. I’m certainly not in favor of it, I think it opens too many cans of worms, but I think of saban pontificating on this and nil as the same way as pitino. He cheated for years, took advantage of it and now he just comes off as whiny and get off my lawn guy.

[D-West & PO-Z]

https://www.sportico.com/feature/college-athletes-employees-complete-primer-1234758491/

This article does a decent job of brining up (and somewhat addressing) some of the biggest questions related to the college players becoming employees.

One of the most interesting things I read in the article is the idea that one college team becoming employees of the school does not necessarily mean all student athletes at the school are to be considered employees. I never thought some could and some could not be. Would be interesting to explore that more.

[bleedXblue]

https://www.sportico.com/feature/college-athletes-employees-complete-primer-1234758491/

This article does a decent job of brining up (and somewhat addressing) some of the biggest questions related to the college players becoming employees.

One of the most interesting things I read in the article is the idea that one college team becoming employees of the school does not necessarily mean all student athletes at the school are to be considered employees. I never thought some could and some could not be. Would be interesting to explore that more.

And if they're employees what gets taxed? Assume NIL already does.

[XUGRAD80]

https://theathletic.com/5339302/2024/03/14/college-football-recruiting-nil-contracts/?source=user_shared_article

Very interesting take on how the NIL is effecting recruiting for football at the top colleges. Hopefully you can read it without a subscription to the athletic.

[Masterofreality]

For those of you who have faithfully contributed to The Final 2%, yesterday and today are the beginnings of the payback to you!
Thank you for helping to nab Hugley and Maddox. There are more to come. Congratulations on your positive faith!!

For those who have decided that this is not worth more than your twice a day Starbucks habit and only bitch and moan, welp. Enjoy your stolen valor when Xavier hits another Elite 8 or Final 4. You are lucky that you get welfare off the backs of the contributors.

#RealitySucks

[GoMuskies]

Jesus fucking Christ

[Masterofreality]

Jesus fucking Christ

I only deal in reality Go. You’ve known that for years.
The truth can hurt.

[Xville]

What an insane off the rails post and that is saying something considering what has been said on this board.

1. I guess all the money I have sent to the school and to the afo means nothing.

2. That was a post really steeped in the Jesuit tradition. Your parents and kids must be real proud.

3. Always knew you were a complete prick, now we all know it’s confirmed.

4. Starbucks is burnt overpriced McDonald’s coffee.

5. I have kids to put thru school that by the time they enter college will probably be in the neighborhood of 100k a year. So really go fuck yourself.

[X-band '01]

https://youtu.be/4Sqfse3loJw?si=aeusQEPN4wZt1lH-&t=72

Uh, coffee anyone?

[Masterofreality]

https://youtu.be/4Sqfse3loJw?si=aeusQEPN4wZt1lH-&t=72

Uh, coffee anyone?

I’ll make my own, thank you Band- and make my contribution to the Final 2%. Then, I’ll soon see ya at a Final 4.
Whatever Xville said, because he’s blocked and I won’t read it- Blah, Blah, Blah….whine whine whine. You’re the biggest shit stirrer and poster demeanor on this site so what you have to say isn’t worth the mud on the bottom of my shoe.
Too bad the list of great posters this site used to have has dwindled down and cretins like Xville have taken over.
Sad, sad sad.
Have fun in the slop.

[Xville]

I’ll make my own, thank you Band- and make my contribution to the Final 2%. Then, I’ll soon see ya at a Final 4.
Whatever Xville said, because he’s blocked and I won’t read it- Blah, Blah, Blah….whine whine whine. You’re the biggest shit stirrer and poster demeanor on this site so what you have to say isn’t worth the mud on the bottom of my shoe.
Too bad the list of great posters this site used to have has dwindled down and cretins like Xville have taken over.
Sad, sad sad.
Have fun in the slop.

What’s sad is that there are x alumni like you. You devalue all of our diplomas. This board was a lot better when you took a sabbatical, why dontcha go back to that. The board is a lot better without you and your buddies, boomer...take lou and xumaga with you.

Be sure to enjoy your stolen valor when Xavier hits that Final Four. Glad your 10-100 dollars a month makes you think you're a big dog.

[XU_Lou]

Hilarious! Didn't Ville recently crucify a few posters who haven't paid to become supporting members of XH, and now he's having a conniption fit over the Final 2% donation?

Again, what are your priorities? What's more important to the overall goal of a F4? If you're going to make judgements on other posters, then be prepared when the microscope gets aimed at you...

[Xville]

Hilarious! Didn't Ville recently crucify a few posters who haven't paid to become supporting members of XH, and now he's having a conniption fit over the Final 2% donation?

Again, what are your priorities? What's more important to the overall goal of a F4? If you're going to make judgements on other posters, then be prepared when the microscope gets aimed at you...

Try again looney lou. Conniption? No that’d be Mor

[XU_Lou]

Try again looney lou. Conniption? No that’d be Mor

No answers, as usual - that's what I thought.

[MHettel]

I’ll make my own, thank you Band- and make my contribution to the Final 2%. Then, I’ll soon see ya at a Final 4.
Whatever Xville said, because he’s blocked and I won’t read it- Blah, Blah, Blah….whine whine whine. You’re the biggest shit stirrer and poster demeanor on this site so what you have to say isn’t worth the mud on the bottom of my shoe.
Too bad the list of great posters this site used to have has dwindled down and cretins like Xville have taken over.
Sad, sad sad.
Have fun in the slop.

Don’t worry MOR. Xville hasn’t taken over the board. I’m his kryptonite. And he knows it.

[Xville]

No answers, as usual - that's what I thought.

What answers are you seeking looney lou?

I pay 12.50 because I use the board quite a bit.

I donate to the university and to the afo fund. I also spend money on tickets, merchandise etc.

I don’t give 5 dollars a month directly to college kids that aren’t my own.

Regardless, you just had someone write one of the most psycho posts I have ever seen on this board, and here you are bothering with me. Rent free.

[Xville]

Don’t worry MOR. Xville hasn’t taken over the board. I’m his kryptonite. And he knows it.

lol

[XU_Lou]

You don't get it, do you?

A little self reflection might do you some good, maybe?

[Xville]

You don't get it, do you?

A little self reflection might do you some good, maybe?

Trust me lou, I really don’t care what you think. I’m very well aware of what you are trying to get at, and it’s not remotely in the same stratosphere, so move along

[XU_Lou]

Trust me lou, I really don’t care what you think.

Fo sho, but it's about the board you pay $12.50 to... Have you noticed the trend towards you in recent months?

[XUBison]

Fan extortion— how persuasive. Sign me up! Or, on second thought, eat a bag of dicks. Oh, and go X!

[XUBison]

Fo sho, but it's about the board you pay $12.50 to... Have you noticed the trend towards you in recent months?

Definition of “vapid”: Thinking you have the high ground by calling someone out for not contributing to an NIL fund to pay basketball players.

[Xville]

Fo sho, but it's about the board you pay $12.50 to... Have you noticed the trend towards you in recent months?

lol it’s a message board.

[XU_Lou]

Definition of “vapid”: Thinking you have the high ground by calling someone out for not contributing to an NIL fund to pay basketball players.

Dude - you're sticking your nose where it doesn't belong. You obviously have no idea of the context.

[XU_Lou]

lol it’s a message board.

You keep making my point.

[xuphan]

Hilarious! Didn't Ville recently crucify a few posters who haven't paid to become supporting members of XH, and now he's having a conniption fit over the Final 2% donation?

Again, what are your priorities? What's more important to the overall goal of a F4? If you're going to make judgements on other posters, then be prepared when the microscope gets aimed at you...

Preach!

[XUBison]

Dude - you're sticking your nose where it doesn't belong. You obviously have no idea of the context.

I understand the context just fine— you are a vapid idiot.

[XU_Lou]

I understand the context just fine— you are a vapid idiot.

Wow, someone's easily triggered...

I'm sorry if I made you cry.

[IM4X]

https://youtu.be/kKj4L6GwL5Y

[Xville]

Wow, someone's easily triggered...

I'm sorry if I made you cry.

No, people here just know who you are.

Congrats on having Mr. Vacation and xumaga rooting for you though!

[XUBison]

Wow, someone's easily triggered...

I'm sorry if I made you cry.

Look Lucy, here’s the deal: XVille responded to the moronic blanket-post put out by Master of Retardery, when suddenly you crawled out of your hole to confront him on his response. I couldn’t care less about your political squabblings, nor do I have any interest in anyone’s message board membership status. But there you were, like a troll from the cave, attacking a reasonable response to an insipid post, because you don’t like the person who posted the response.

Here’s what I do know: My wife and I both graduated from X, as have seven (7) of my other family members… in the past 30 years. My family has paid a tremendous amount of tuition to X, we have supported X, and we love X. That said, my wife and I made a determination many years ago that X was doing just fine, and so we put our money where we feel it is most meaningful; at least to us. Notwithstanding the occasional one-off consideration, this has meant charities that supportthe the blind, children’s cancer, and our own children’s education. If there is an extra cup of coffee available, it goes there.

If someone else wants to support NIL, fine by me. I have my opinions to that effect, but I also have supported the university and the athletic department in the past, and I have no regrets having done so. However, I am not about to have my loyalty and devotion to the university second-guessed by cretins like you and scuzzy frontrunners like MOR, so kindly take a cheese grater and shove it up your… Go X!

[XU_Lou]

Look Lucy, here’s the deal: XVille responded to the moronic blanket-post put out by Master of Retardery, when suddenly you crawled out of your hole to confront him on his response. I couldn’t care less about your political squabblings, nor do I have any interest in anyone’s message board membership status. But there you were, like a troll from the cave, attacking a reasonable response to an insipid post, because you don’t like the person who posted the response.

Here’s what I do know: My wife and I both graduated from X, as have seven (7) of my other family members… in the past 30 years. My family has paid a tremendous amount of tuition to X, we have supported X, and we love X. That said, my wife and I made a determination many years ago that X was doing just fine, and so we put our money where we feel it is most meaningful; at least to us. Notwithstanding the occasional one-off consideration, this has meant charities that supportthe the blind, children’s cancer, and our own children’s education. If there is an extra cup of coffee available, it goes there.

If someone else wants to support NIL, fine by me. I have my opinions to that effect, but I also have supported the university and the athletic department in the past, and I have no regrets having done so. However, I am not about to have my loyalty and devotion to the university second-guessed by cretins like you and scuzzy frontrunners like MOR, so kindly take a cheese grater and shove it up your… Go X!

Again, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. This started well before the most recent discussion.

Moreover, this has NOTHING at all to do with you, so mind your own goddamn business. I could care less what you or anyone else does with their money. Take your irrelevant dissertation and chest pounding somewhere else...

[Xville]

Again, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. This started well before the most recent discussion.

Moreover, this has NOTHING at all to do with you, so mind your own goddamn business. I could care less what you or anyone else does with their money. Take your irrelevant dissertation and chest pounding somewhere else...


Hey dumbass can you not read?

"XVille responded to the moronic blanket-post put out by Master of Retardery, when suddenly you crawled out of your hole to confront him on his response. I couldn’t care less about your political squabblings, nor do I have any interest in anyone’s message board membership status. But there you were, like a troll from the cave, attacking a reasonable response to an insipid post, because you don’t like the person who posted the response."


How about you heed your own advice? Mind your own business. This has zero to do with you. This was between me and More of Retard. Just as Bison said, you had to butt your ass into where it didn't belong because you can't help yourself.

[XU_Lou]

Hey dumbass can you not read?

"XVille responded to the moronic blanket-post put out by Master of Retardery, when suddenly you crawled out of your hole to confront him on his response. I couldn’t care less about your political squabblings, nor do I have any interest in anyone’s message board membership status. But there you were, like a troll from the cave, attacking a reasonable response to an insipid post, because you don’t like the person who posted the response."


How about you heed your own advice? Mind your own business. This has zero to do with you. This was between me and More of Retard. Just as Bison said, you had to butt your ass into where it didn't belong because you can't help yourself.

Hey dumbass can you not read? MOR wasn't talking to you, LOL

You can't help yourself can you?

[xuphan]

Anyone have some popcorn?

[Xville]

Hey dumbass can you not read? MOR wasn't talking to you, LOL

You can't help yourself can you?

The F he wasn't. Seriously, are you that stupid? You're such a waste of time.

[Xville]

oh good Mr. Vacation has entered. You wanna retract your stupid "look" comments?

[xuphan]

oh good Mr. Vacation has entered. You wanna retract your stupid "look" comments?

Aren’t you the one who was talking about self-awareness? Seems like you might need to “look” at yourself after reading these comments.

[XU_Lou]

For those of you who have faithfully contributed to The Final 2%, yesterday and today are the beginnings of the payback to you!
Thank you for helping to nab Hugley and Maddox. There are more to come. Congratulations on your positive faith!!

For those who have decided that this is not worth more than your twice a day Starbucks habit and only bitch and moan, welp. Enjoy your stolen valor when Xavier hits another Elite 8 or Final 4. You are lucky that you get welfare off the backs of the contributors.

#RealitySucks

Really? MOR was talking to you before you went off on him out of nowhere?

Either you're lying right now, or you've got some serious paranoia issues....

[Xville]

Aren’t you the one who was talking about self-awareness? Seems like you might need to “look” at yourself after reading these comments.

You want to answer the question and maybe offer Miller an apology?

[Xville]

Really? MOR was talking to you before you went off on him out of nowhere?

Either you're lying right now, or you've got some serious paranoia issues....

I was pretty vocal about it on this thread. Geezus. You really should heed the advice you gave Bison and stay out of things you know nothing about. Wasn't just directed at me, but several, so just stop.

[xuphan]

You want to answer the question and maybe offer Miller an apology?

Enjoy your “argument” with LOU, MOR, and others on the board. I am thoroughly enjoying it.

[XUBison]

Again, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. This started well before the most recent discussion.

Moreover, this has NOTHING at all to do with you, so mind your own goddamn business. I could care less what you or anyone else does with their money. Take your irrelevant dissertation and chest pounding somewhere else...

You do realize this is a public message board? There’s no mystery here. We can all read your posts. We’re also free to respond to them. You are an obnoxious goober.

[Xville]

Enjoy your “argument” with LOU, MOR, and others on the board. I am thoroughly enjoying it.

More enjoyable than your stupid vacation look concern.

[XU_Lou]

You do realize this is a public message board? There’s no mystery here. We can all read your posts. We’re also free to respond to them. You are an obnoxious goober.

Oh, okay, snowflake.

[bjf123]

Anyone have some popcorn?

Public reps! [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]


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[Masterofreality]

Almost at the $500k donor match level!!
Let’s Go!!
From the Final 2%:

Week 8 update:

Just 7 days left!
Thermometer is up to 450k!!!
Over 35k in donations, including over 10k from @VictoryPKWY!

We are 50k from goal…let’s get this done Xavier Nation!

Monthly plans start at just $10 a month

Sign up or donate: Final2percent.com
#LetsGoX

[Masterofreality]

Look Lucy, here’s the deal: XVille responded to the moronic blanket-post put out by Master of Retardery.

However, I am not about to have my loyalty and devotion to the university second-guessed by cretins like you and scuzzy frontrunners like MOR, so kindly take a cheese grater and shove it up your… Go X!

Two quick things here:

I pointed the finger at no poster in specific on my original post in this segment. Obviously some took offense, I assume, because they have a huge guilt complex about free riding on the backs of those who have decided to jump on this train. It has been proven over the last few days, like it or not, that funding this NIL Collective is the absolute most important thing in recruiting kids in this f-ed up environment. I don’t like it any more than anyone else.
But I love my university’s welfare so much that I’m willing to dig deeper rather than cry poormouth and pontificate against college guys making money. That is reality.
As for the “front runner” tag. Hahahaha!! You obviously weren’t even born when I was sitting in the front row of every game at Schmidt Fieldhouse during consecutive 10-16, 10-16, 5-21 and 9-17 seasons like me. Witnessing games like losing to Union,Ky for Gawdsake.
You spoiled little 40 year fan brat.
Sorry. I’ll dig deep to avoid going back to irrelevance.

[Xville]

Two quick things here:

I pointed the finger at no poster in specific on my original post in this segment. Obviously some took offense, I assume, because they have a huge guilt complex about free riding on the backs of those who have decided to jump on this train. It has been proven over the last few days, like it or not, that funding this NIL Collective is the absolute most important thing in recruiting kids in this f-ed up environment. I don’t like it any more than anyone else.
But I love my university’s welfare so much that I’m willing to dig deeper rather than cry poormouth and pontificate against college guys making money. That is reality.
As for the “front runner” tag. Hahahaha!! You obviously weren’t even born when I was sitting in the front row of every game at Schmidt Fieldhouse during consecutive 10-16, 10-16, 5-21 and 9-17 seasons like me. Witnessing games like losing to Union,Ky for Gawdsake.
You spoiled little 40 year fan brat.
Sorry. I’ll dig deep to avoid going back to irrelevance.

We take offense to your overall douchebaggery and your feelings of self importance that aren’t nor ever will be rooted in reality. Shove it up your ass.

[xu82]

Two quick things here:

I pointed the finger at no poster in specific on my original post in this segment. Obviously some took offense, I assume, because they have a huge guilt complex about free riding on the backs of those who have decided to jump on this train. It has been proven over the last few days, like it or not, that funding this NIL Collective is the absolute most important thing in recruiting kids in this f-ed up environment. I don’t like it any more than anyone else.
But I love my university’s welfare so much that I’m willing to dig deeper rather than cry poormouth and pontificate against college guys making money. That is reality.
As for the “front runner” tag. Hahahaha!! You obviously weren’t even born when I was sitting in the front row of every game at Schmidt Fieldhouse during consecutive 10-16, 10-16, 5-21 and 9-17 seasons like me. Witnessing games like losing to Union,Ky for Gawdsake.
You spoiled little 40 year fan brat.
Sorry. I’ll dig deep to avoid going back to irrelevance.

I have no guilt whatsoever, and your general tone of condescension would be even more annoying if it weren’t mildly amusing. Nobody cares where you sat at the Fieldhouse. I suppose we should all bow down to you for personally providing us with Xavier basketball…… in your mind anyway. I usually bite my tongue, but this holier than thou shit is wearing thin.

[XU_Lou]

We take offense to your overall douchebaggery and your feelings of self importance that aren’t nor ever will be rooted in reality. Shove it up your ass.

Oh know, not another Hamburger Hill moment for the severely paranoid.


I have no guilt whatsoever, and your general tone of condescension would be even more annoying if it weren’t mildly amusing. Nobody cares where you sat at the Fieldhouse. I suppose we should all bow down to you for personally providing us with Xavier basketball…… in your mind anyway. I usually bite my tongue, but this holier than thou shit is wearing thin.

Funny, I didn't hear from you or Bison Boy when Ville was calling posters cheapskates for not becoming supporting members.

I guess the irony got lost on a few around here. But then again, the Golden Child gets held to a different standard by a few around here.

[xu82]

Oh know, not another Hamburger Hill moment for the severely paranoid.



Funny, I didn't hear from you or Bison Boy when Ville was calling posters cheapskates for not becoming supporting members.

I guess the irony got lost on a few around here. But then again, the Golden Child gets held to a different standard by a few around here.

If I’m on the wrong side of you, I’m probably on the right path.

[A Fan]

I don't have a dog in this fight so I should probably stay out of it but will opine. . MOR started this thread to encourage board members to contribute to the collective. And he rightfully has pointed out that without the collective the chances of fielding a Big East competitive team are zero. My impression is he was a catalyst to garner contributions from Board members. But some pointed out that for various reasons they did not wish to contribute either because they were unable, gave to other school initiative's or found paying college basketball players distasteful. All reasonable responses. MOR took exception to one or all of those reasons (or perhaps others I did not list). The manner in which MOR expressed himself exhibited anger and disdain for those who did not contribute. MOR might want to explain what it is that he is upset about. Since he is speaking to members of the Board who are following and and cheering the team does he feel that they are hypocrites to cheer the team on but not contribute to the collective. ? That anyone who does not contribute should leave the Board.or the board should have membership rules requiring contributing. I guess I just do not get the animosity. Are we incapable of fostering an environment where differing opinions are respected, and animosity is replaced with constructive dialogue and hospitality?

[bjf123]

I guess I just do not get the animosity. Are we incapable of fostering an environment where differing opinions are respected, and animosity is replaced with constructive dialogue and hospitality?

Sadly, the environment here is mirroring society in general. Too many people think if you disagree with them, you’re an idiot who must be canceled, put down, insulted, despised, pick your adjective.

For the record, I am a paid supporter here, but currently do not give to the Final 2%. I am considering it


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[xudash]

We have an interesting dichotomy here:

Young athletes who deserve to be paid due to the amount of money they generate for their institutions.

versus

Notwithstanding free market dynamics, the amounts of compensation involved, with all of this chopping away at the notion of amateurism and the student-athlete.

“You deserve to be paid”

“Oh, that’s a nice Gucci bag and new Escalade you have there. How are your classes going in your 20th year of life?”

The marketplace and possibly some legislation will sort this out over time. It most likely isn’t sustainable as it exists.

Now consider lobbing this grenade into a university alumni base. We end up with this thread. This makes for a combustible topic, to say the least.

I contribute to our collective because I can, and because I want to support Xavier athletics as much as possible. Like most of you here, I otherwise support the university directly.

If you are contributing to the collective, then great. If you aren’t contributing for your reasons, then no problem.

Fellow fans urging other fans to contribute if they can, no problem.

We will see how all of this works out in the long run for college basketball and for Xavier, specifically. I am hopeful, given our leadership, our head coach, our facilities, our conference affiliation, and our fan base overall.

In the meantime, we continue to adapt to a new way of fielding a Xavier basketball team. Get comfortable with the idea of fluidity, with components, with plug and play augmenting “normal” recruitment.

Maybe we will only be overcooked at some point if we end up with 13 new reserved parking spaces next to the Cintas Center.

[xu82]

Well said. ^^^

[XUMIOH12]

All of you going back and forth here on this thread are PATHETIC!

[Masterofreality]

Roster complete with 7 high quality transfers in.

Guess why Sean had that success?

Great job by all who contributed!!
Let’s keep it going with monthly donations. There will be a next year…

[Xavier]

I know X was doing a bourbon thing to help towards the NIL collective. I was close to getting one. Probably will when they go on sale next, but UC does a lite beer with Rhinegeist. Feel like they got the better end of that one. Can’t confirm but my buddy said $3 of every 12 of pack goes to UC NIL. I guess as someone said in one of these threads- it’s all peanuts, the actual money comes from high donors.

[Masterofreality]

I know X was doing a bourbon thing to help towards the NIL collective. I was close to getting one. Probably will when they go on sale next, but UC does a lite beer with Rhinegeist. Feel like they got the better end of that one. Can’t confirm but my buddy said $3 of every 12 of pack goes to UC NIL. I guess as someone said in one of these threads- it’s all peanuts, the actual money comes from high donors.

The latest drive netted $500k - all from small monthly donors.
Not peanuts.
But a big guy did match the 500k, if that goal was reached. And it was.

[bjf123]

Guess why Sean had that success?

Because he took some time off on vacation in the Caribbean? [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]


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[Final4]

Roster complete with 7 high quality transfers in.

Guess why Sean had that success?

Great job by all who contributed!!
Let’s keep it going with monthly donations. There will be a next year…

Jeez it takes a huge fucking set of stones to come back and post in this thread after your previous faux pas

[XUGRAD80]

I know X was doing a bourbon thing to help towards the NIL collective. I was close to getting one. Probably will when they go on sale next, but UC does a lite beer with Rhinegeist. Feel like they got the better end of that one. Can’t confirm but my buddy said $3 of every 12 of pack goes to UC NIL. I guess as someone said in one of these threads- it’s all peanuts, the actual money comes from high donors.

$1 for every 12 pack, $3 for every case, and $13 for every keg. Now available in over 500 retail locations and 300 taps in the Cincinnati area alone, and they all have a hard time keeping it in stock. Rhineguiest has had to quadruple the amount they are making and have added a 3rd shift to the packaging department at the brewery. They sold 12,000 cans at the UC-Miami football game inside of Nippert Stadium alone. By any measure you want it has been an unqualified success for everyone involved. I have heard that Xavier is looking for a similar deal with a brewery close to the campus, but I can’t see it being anywhere near as successful.

It’s like compounding your investments in a 401K over the years. $1 a 12 pack doesn’t seem like much, until you see how many 12 packs are sold every day and project that over a year.

[Xavier]

The latest drive netted $500k - all from small monthly donors.
Not peanuts.
But a big guy did match the 500k, if that goal was reached. And it was.

Yeah fair enough I didn’t know the numbers. If it was said earlier in the thread, I obviously didn’t read it, 500K from small monthly donations is good.

[Masterofreality]

$1 for every 12 pack, $3 for every case, and $13 for every keg. Now available in over 500 retail locations and 300 taps in the Cincinnati area alone, and they all have a hard time keeping it in stock. Rhineguiest has had to quadruple the amount they are making and have added a 3rd shift to the packaging department at the brewery. They sold 12,000 cans at the UC-Miami football game inside of Nippert Stadium alone. By any measure you want it has been an unqualified success for everyone involved. I have heard that Xavier is looking for a similar deal with a brewery close to the campus, but I can’t see it being anywhere near as successful.

It’s like compounding your investments in a 401K over the years. $1 a 12 pack doesn’t seem like much, until you see how many 12 packs are sold every day and project that over a year.

That has to be trash beer.
I won’t be partaking.

[XUGRAD80]

That has to be trash beer.
I won’t be partaking.

Not my favorite for sure, but for a light beer it’s not to bad. I’m just not a lite beer fan.

[paulxu]

It’s like compounding your investments in a 401K over the years. $1 a 12 pack doesn’t seem like much, until you see how many 12 packs are sold every day and project that over a year.

I'll bet Dana's would donate $1 for every 12 beers you drank there to the NIL.

[XUGRAD80]

I'll bet Dana's would donate $1 for every 12 beers you drank there to the NIL.

Well since I've not been in Dana's in over 30 years, it wouldn't amount to much. :)


Part of the success of the Cincy Lite can be attributed to its name. If they had named it Rhinequiest Lite or Bearcat Lite, it wouldn't have near the mass appeal to people in the area. But by naming it "Cincy" lite, it becomes a beer that any Cincinnatian will feel a connection to. it becomes the "Cincinnati" beer. Even if someone isn't a UC fan, or a Rhieneguiest fan, but are a "Cincy" fan, they will be somewhat likely to at least try it. Brilliant marketing on their part.

[UCGRAD4X]

Does it say anything on the can about its connection to the BCats or just the city?

I don' see it or anything on a quick search. The official Rhinegeist site does not reference UC.

[XUGRAD80]

Does it say anything on the can about its connection to the BCats or just the city?

I don' see it or anything on a quick search. The official Rhinegeist site does not reference UC.

I don’t believe it does, but I really never paid any attention to that.

[Xville]

Maybe I’m thinking of it wrong, but it probably can’t because it technically is not to be affiliated with the school at all.

[XUGRAD80]

Maybe I’m thinking of it wrong, but it probably can’t because it technically is not to be affiliated with the school at all.

You’re probably correct there.

[Xville]

Alrighty so schools can now pay players so can we go ahead and get rid of this collective nonsense, now? Put up some actual rules and guardrails on this thing and make it transparent.

5 dollar “nil” fee on every ticket… that gets ya about a million a season
Rev share about a million a season is probably realistic.
Merchandising, sponsorships etc about another million a year

Done.


Let’s stop the fans having to give an 18-22 money for nothing.

[XUGRAD80]

Weather it comes in the form of an NIL package or is added to the cost of tickets, it’s still the FANS that are paying. If it comes from a corporate entity it’s still the public that pays it as it will be built into the cost of goods and services. At least with the NIL system you have a choice to participate or not.

There ain’t no such thing as a free lunch! TANSTAAFL

[xukeith]

I would be curious to know if X has had a significant drop in donations directly made to X program since NIL $ has risen.

[Xville]

Weather it comes in the form of an NIL package or is added to the cost of tickets, it’s still the FANS that are paying. If it comes from a corporate entity it’s still the public that pays it as it will be built into the cost of goods and services. At least with the NIL system you have a choice to participate or not.

There ain’t no such thing as a free lunch! TANSTAAFL

Rev share does not come from the public, a ticket fee gives you a choice and you get something out of it, same as merchandising. The optics of that vs handing a player that is not my kid money is a lot different and a lot more digestible in my opinion.

[webxu]

What I was reading , was that the NIL collectives would still be active as well as the schools being able to pay players directly. I hope they institute "salary caps" IE $10M for football and $3M per school or something along those lines. If not how else are schools like X going to be able to compete in this vs the OSU's, Bama's, Texas, etc.

[Xville]

What I was reading , was that the NIL collectives would still be active as well as the schools being able to pay players directly. I hope they institute "salary caps" IE $10M for football and $3M per school or something along those lines. If not how else are schools like X going to be able to compete in this vs the OSU's, Bama's, Texas, etc.

Yeah that's probably what will happen, but I really don't see the point in them. If the big cats want to donate to NIL, then why do you need some middle-man (collective) at this point? It reminds me of Office Space...what do you say, you do here?

I agree with the caps...I assume legislation will need to be changed for that to actually happen, but I think at some point it will. I know the big dogs have money coming out of their ears so a million here or there may not matter much to them, but at some point years down the road they would have to be asking themselves...what exactly am I getting out of this? Just so I can wear a "We are number 1" t-shirt? What if you aren't number one for all those years?

[MHettel]

My guess is that the money paid by the schools will be more like a “salary” and the NIL will still exist as a kind of “bonus”.

I assume the school provided money will be very structured. The most extreme version being that every athlete at a school receives the same amount, whether that be for a football player or a pole vaulter. The “max” of 20 million would apply theoretically to a school that offered every single sport. So take 20M and divide by all the players to get a per player amount. If you have fewer sports, you will have less money to pay out. I would assume it would need to be equal and structured for maximum “fairness”.

A small variation of that would be that within a sport, maybe a sophomore gets more than a freshman. And juniors gets more than sophomores. And senior get the most. But again a structured approach for how a model like this would work.

What I don’t see is a team just getting a “budget” and then deciding to give 80% of it to the top 5 guys and then the remaining players get scraps. In real life sports DO work this way. But also in real life nearly every other job is required to pay people the same based on doing the same job.

Just browsing the list of sports and making a guess on roster sizes, I would assume that a school could have about 700 athletes if it offered all sports. So 20M divided among 700 is about 28,500 per athlete.

When it comes to BBall and Football this is an insignificant amount of money. All schools that wish to be competitive (no sense even fielding a team if you aren’t taking is seriously at this point) will opt to offer the “max” to its players, so this bar will essentially be set across the sports.

The NIL will continue to be an essential part of enticing players. 30K in “salary” is meaningless if all the schools are offering the same amount. The NIL will be what sets apart one team from another.

It’s here to stay in my opinion.

I also believe that the structure I described above that ensures fairness across all sports will completely backfire and result in schools cutting their teams down to only the revenue sports (football & men’s basketball) and then enough women’s teams that is needed to make sure that there is an equal number of women’s scholarships (BBall, Volleyball, Softball, and a few more). I can’t really imagine how a schools would keep a men’s soccer team at this point. It would cost about 700K a year in “salary” and then you need another women’s sport also and have to pay them as well. Women’s soccer will likely already be “protected” because football has over 100 scholarships and that will cover the main women’s teams.

Rifle? Bowling? Fencing? I can’t imagine how they could pay for these.

Even things like cross country and water polo seem like a huge financial burden.

Anyone that thinks this settlement will get things back to “normal” will certainly be surprised by the fallout.

NIL will still dominate.

[Xville]

My guess is that the money paid by the schools will be more like a “salary” and the NIL will still exist as a kind of “bonus”.

I assume the school provided money will be very structured. The most extreme version being that every athlete at a school receives the same amount, whether that be for a football player or a pole vaulter. The “max” of 20 million would apply theoretically to a school that offered every single sport. So take 20M and divide by all the players to get a per player amount. If you have fewer sports, you will have less money to pay out. I would assume it would need to be equal and structured for maximum “fairness”.

A small variation of that would be that within a sport, maybe a sophomore gets more than a freshman. And juniors gets more than sophomores. And senior get the most. But again a structured approach for how a model like this would work.

What I don’t see is a team just getting a “budget” and then deciding to give 80% of it to the top 5 guys and then the remaining players get scraps. In real life sports DO work this way. But also in real life nearly every other job is required to pay people the same based on doing the same job.

Just browsing the list of sports and making a guess on roster sizes, I would assume that a school could have about 700 athletes if it offered all sports. So 20M divided among 700 is about 28,500 per athlete.

When it comes to BBall and Football this is an insignificant amount of money. All schools that wish to be competitive (no sense even fielding a team if you aren’t taking is seriously at this point) will opt to offer the “max” to its players, so this bar will essentially be set across the sports.

The NIL will continue to be an essential part of enticing players. 30K in “salary” is meaningless if all the schools are offering the same amount. The NIL will be what sets apart one team from another.

It’s here to stay in my opinion.

I also believe that the structure I described above that ensures fairness across all sports will completely backfire and result in schools cutting their teams down to only the revenue sports (football & men’s basketball) and then enough women’s teams that is needed to make sure that there is an equal number of women’s scholarships (BBall, Volleyball, Softball, and a few more). I can’t really imagine how a schools would keep a men’s soccer team at this point. It would cost about 700K a year in “salary” and then you need another women’s sport also and have to pay them as well. Women’s soccer will likely already be “protected” because football has over 100 scholarships and that will cover the main women’s teams.

Rifle? Bowling? Fencing? I can’t imagine how they could pay for these.

Even things like cross country and water polo seem like a huge financial burden.

Anyone that thinks this settlement will get things back to “normal” will certainly be surprised by the fallout.

NIL will still dominate.

Just a hunch, but I really doubt that what you describe is how it will be set up. My assumption is that the majority of the money from schools will go to the athletes in the revenue sports, and non-revenue will get little if any coming from the schools, just like what happens today essentially with any other sports donation dollars. I'm assuming that will take some legislation, but they will find a way.

Your "normal" comment is weird. What is "normal?" I think there will be some guardrails/regulations of some sort that will be put in place. I highly doubt its just going to remain being the wild wild west...its unsustainable.

[MHettel]

Just a hunch, but I really doubt that what you describe is how it will be set up. My assumption is that the majority of the money from schools will go to the athletes in the revenue sports, and non-revenue will get little if any coming from the schools, just like what happens today essentially with any other sports donation dollars. I'm assuming that will take some legislation, but they will find a way.

Your "normal" comment is weird. What is "normal?" I think there will be some guardrails/regulations of some sort that will be put in place. I highly doubt its just going to remain being the wild wild west...its unsustainable.

What happens today is that budgets get set for teams. You don’t have to be “fair” when you establish an operating budget for football that is 25M a year and an operating budget for women’s golf that is 200k per year.

But when you start paying people, actual laws and regulations kick in. There is absolutely zero justification to say that we will be paying men’s basketball players 50k each and the women’s players 5k each. Aside from the revenue, those sports are essentially the same. You pay the people for the “work” they are doing, not based on how much the company brings in for revenue.

And frankly I feel like the revenue argument would be based on a big picture of the collection of teams at a school. I think it would be viewed as all athletes and all revenues as if it were one. If you went to a grocery store, you assume the man that works stocking the shelves in the cereal aisle makes generally the same as the woman stocking the cans in the soup aisle. Though the margins on those products are wildly different, it doesn’t impact their relative salaries. It’s ONE STORE and they are equal employees. I can’t see how they could do it any differently.

[Mel Cooley XU'81]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjiTzVyXRFE

[webxu]

My guess is that the money paid by the schools will be more like a “salary” and the NIL will still exist as a kind of “bonus”.

I assume the school provided money will be very structured. The most extreme version being that every athlete at a school receives the same amount, whether that be for a football player or a pole vaulter. The “max” of 20 million would apply theoretically to a school that offered every single sport. So take 20M and divide by all the players to get a per player amount. If you have fewer sports, you will have less money to pay out. I would assume it would need to be equal and structured for maximum “fairness”.

A small variation of that would be that within a sport, maybe a sophomore gets more than a freshman. And juniors gets more than sophomores. And senior get the most. But again a structured approach for how a model like this would work.

What I don’t see is a team just getting a “budget” and then deciding to give 80% of it to the top 5 guys and then the remaining players get scraps. In real life sports DO work this way. But also in real life nearly every other job is required to pay people the same based on doing the same job.

Just browsing the list of sports and making a guess on roster sizes, I would assume that a school could have about 700 athletes if it offered all sports. So 20M divided among 700 is about 28,500 per athlete.

When it comes to BBall and Football this is an insignificant amount of money. All schools that wish to be competitive (no sense even fielding a team if you aren’t taking is seriously at this point) will opt to offer the “max” to its players, so this bar will essentially be set across the sports.

The NIL will continue to be an essential part of enticing players. 30K in “salary” is meaningless if all the schools are offering the same amount. The NIL will be what sets apart one team from another.

It’s here to stay in my opinion.

I also believe that the structure I described above that ensures fairness across all sports will completely backfire and result in schools cutting their teams down to only the revenue sports (football & men’s basketball) and then enough women’s teams that is needed to make sure that there is an equal number of women’s scholarships (BBall, Volleyball, Softball, and a few more). I can’t really imagine how a schools would keep a men’s soccer team at this point. It would cost about 700K a year in “salary” and then you need another women’s sport also and have to pay them as well. Women’s soccer will likely already be “protected” because football has over 100 scholarships and that will cover the main women’s teams.

Rifle? Bowling? Fencing? I can’t imagine how they could pay for these.

Even things like cross country and water polo seem like a huge financial burden.

Anyone that thinks this settlement will get things back to “normal” will certainly be surprised by the fallout.

NIL will still dominate.

Remember when Xavier had one of the top rifle squads in the country?

[UCGRAD4X]

If the basis is still NIL, revenue sports means people are watching. You name is out there. Your image is out there. Your likeness is out there. If it is not, you get fewer $.

[XU_Lou]

Remember when Xavier had one of the top rifle squads in the country?

I always got a kick when they defeated Army - of all schools!

[XU_Lou]

According to CBS:

"Athletic departments must now prepare for new line items that could balloon up to $30 million annually as the richest schools prepare to share upwards of $22 million in revenue with players while expanding roster sizes with unlimited scholarships, according to those documents."


"Simply put, just because the biggest lawsuit in NCAA history is settled and players will soon be paid after years of carrying a multi-billion dollar industry on their backs, that doesn't mean the future will be without monumental challenges that could lead to the elimination of sports and further separation between the haves and have-nots among athletic departments in the FBS."


"What happens to NIL collectives?

The NCAA has also proposed a new enforcement infrastructure to target pay-for-play and booster-led NIL collectives, though the details remain vague, according to documents obtained last week by Yahoo Sports.

The documents contend the court will reaffirm rules around compensation, "including the prohibition on booster payments if they are not true NIL." Schools will also be provided "economic incentives" to house NIL collectives within the university.

"Collectives aren't going to go away if there's a salary cap," said Russell White, president of The Collective Association. "Universities will continue to want to compete above and beyond (the base revenue shares)." "

Article doesn't mention BE: https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-athletes-set-to-get-2-8-billion-revenue-sharing-model-in-landmark-house-v-ncaa-settlement/


This does: https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaas-settlement-proposal-facing-strong-objection-from-big-east-194238228.html

"In an email Saturday to her members, Big East commissioner Val Ackerman expressed “strong objection” to the NCAA’s proposal on how it is determining back damages related to the consolidated settlement in the House, Hubbard and Carter antitrust cases. And she is seeking ways to “alter the plan that the NCAA and A5 have orchestrated,” she writes in the letter, a copy of which was obtained by Yahoo Sports."


"Under the formula, the Big East will be responsible for about $5 million to $7 million annually, or as much as $70 million over the next decade — a figure that works out to about $600,000-$700,000 per school per year."


"In the Big East, a reduction of $600,000 annually for a decade is a much higher percentage of a school’s total budget. UConn, the only public school member of the Big East with an FBS football program, has a reported budget of $90 million. The school, winner of the past two men’s basketball national championships, is believed to be the highest-grossing athletic department in the league by far."


Anybody have any insight how big of a deal this is to X/BE?

[JTG]

My guess is the Power 5 schools keep most of their sports. Leagues like the Big East will have men's & women's basketball, period. This settlement is as big a load of crap as forgiving student loans. Back pay for athletes, boo hoo. You got a f*king free education. If you took art history, and now you're a cashier at Walmart, tough shit!

[xudash]

Well, here is a crazy thought:

Equal base “salary” for every athlete that suits up for a school. Small number ($10,000?) per athlete. Then an incentive comp plan that essentially leads to bonuses for any athlete that participates in a sport that generates revenue for the school. Perhaps even have agreement on a formula distribution for a particular team (i.e. starters / seniors bigger cut than bench players / freshmen, etc.).

So, the basketball team rightfully wins here, and they’re incentivized to win the BET and the NCAAT.

Compensation should be defined as base pay plus incentive comp.

[xudash]

p.s. This damages stuff is nonsense.

[XUGRAD80]

Rev share does not come from the public, a ticket fee gives you a choice and you get something out of it, same as merchandising. The optics of that vs handing a player that is not my kid money is a lot different and a lot more digestible in my opinion.

Screw the optics. If you add it to the ticket you are forcing anyone that wants to see a game in person to pay into the program or they don’t see the game. As it is now, they can see a game and also CHOOSE to pay into the NIL if they WANT to. Or if they CHOOSE to NOT pay into the NIL fund they can do that. Putting it into the ticket price gives them only the choice of paying it for a ticket or not getting a ticket. Nor will just charging an extra fee on the tickets raise enough money. A million is far short of what it takes. In addition there are thousands of fans that never attend a game and still want to support Xavier athletes by contributing to the NIL. Many don’t live in the area. Others don’t have the money to buy the tickets, pay the parking, get the concessions, etc etc etc but can still find $10 a month or $50 a year to put into the fund. Eliminating the fund would take that chance (and choice) away from them.

The bottom line is that single dime that they get somehow comes from the public. It’s not they are the government and can just print money. It has to come from somewhere and that somewhere is the fans or the companies that raise their prices in order to cover the costs of their donations. But in the end Joe B Public is who pays. No matter how it’s set up.

[Xville]

Screw the optics. If you add it to the ticket you are forcing anyone that wants to see a game in person to pay into the program or they don’t see the game. As it is now, they can see a game and also CHOOSE to pay into the NIL if they WANT to. Or if they CHOOSE to NOT pay into the NIL fund they can do that. Putting it into the ticket price gives them only the choice of paying it for a ticket or not getting a ticket. Nor will just charging an extra fee on the tickets raise enough money. A million is far short of what it takes. In addition there are thousands of fans that never attend a game and still want to support Xavier athletes by contributing to the NIL. Many don’t live in the area. Others don’t have the money to buy the tickets, pay the parking, get the concessions, etc etc etc but can still find $10 a month or $50 a year to put into the fund. Eliminating the fund would take that chance (and choice) away from them.

The bottom line is that single dime that they get somehow comes from the public. It’s not they are the government and can just print money. It has to come from somewhere and that somewhere is the fans or the companies that raise their prices in order to cover the costs of their donations. But in the end Joe B Public is who pays. No matter how it’s set up.

Rev share does not come from Joe b public. Who cares if it forces people to see a game? I have to pay a dollar amount to see a game, what’s the difference? Trying to tell me that 10 dollar a month nil guy can find ten dollars of discretionary income and pay Joe basketball but not find enough to see a game? Come on man.

A 5 dollar ticket fee would drum up a million per year. With rev share another mil and merchandising sponsorships, that equals where x is now in nil. . And, it allows donors to go back to donating money to the sports programs (where it needs to go imo), not nil.

[XUGRAD80]

Rev share does not come from Joe b public. Who cares if it forces people to see a game? I have to pay a dollar amount to see a game, what’s the difference? Trying to tell me that 10 dollar a month nil guy can find ten dollars of discretionary income and pay Joe basketball but not find enough to see a game? Come on man.

A 5 dollar ticket fee would drum up a million per year. With rev share another mil and merchandising sponsorships, that equals where x is now in nil. . And, it allows donors to go back to donating money to the sports programs (where it needs to go imo), not nil.

If it doesn’t come from JB Public, where does it come from? Who’s buying those tickets? You’re making my point.

You’re like the people that can’t see that if a small business is forced to pay its help 15-20 dollars an hour that it is the consumer that ultimately ends up paying because that small business will raise its prices to offset their increased costs.

[xubrew]

The NCAA (and everyone else) is just assuming that the plaintiffs in the House Case will accept the settlement offer. They might, but then again…they might not. They may feel they can get more than this. And, they probably can. So, this isn’t over yet. The only thing that’s happened is the P5 and the NCAA voted and agreed to offer this as a settlement. It may get rejected.

[94GRAD]

The NCAA (and everyone else) is just assuming that the plaintiffs in the House Case will accept the settlement offer. They might, but then again…they might not. They may feel they can get more than this. And, they probably can. So, this isn’t over yet. The only thing that’s happened is the P5 and the NCAA voted and agreed to offer this as a settlement. It may get rejected.

Agreed to a settlement yesterday.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5517461/2024/05/24/ncaa-lawsuit-house-paying-players/

[A Fan]

What happens today is that budgets get set for teams. You don’t have to be “fair” when you establish an operating budget for football that is 25M a year and an operating budget for women’s golf that is 200k per year.

But when you start paying people, actual laws and regulations kick in. There is absolutely zero justification to say that we will be paying men’s basketball players 50k each and the women’s players 5k each. Aside from the revenue, those sports are essentially the same. You pay the people for the “work” they are doing, not based on how much the company brings in for revenue.

And frankly I feel like the revenue argument would be based on a big picture of the collection of teams at a school. I think it would be viewed as all athletes and all revenues as if it were one. If you went to a grocery store, you assume the man that works stocking the shelves in the cereal aisle makes generally the same as the woman stocking the cans in the soup aisle. Though the margins on those products are wildly different, it doesn’t impact their relative salaries. It’s ONE STORE and they are equal employees. I can’t see how they could do it any differently.
But when you start paying people, actual laws and regulations kick in. There is absolutely zero justification to say that we will be paying men’s basketball players 50k each and the women’s players 5k each. Aside from the revenue, those sports are essentially the same. You pay the people for the “work” they are doing, not based on how much the company brings in for revenue.

Agreed. Already the Title IX lawyers are saying that the Collectives are really run by the schools…not an independent third party entity and they payments are “ to play” since few players have any real NIL value and the players are negotiating payments to come to play. Hence, if the schools are paying the men they have to pay the women. In the realm of employment this principle is known as equal pay for equal work.

[94GRAD]

But when you start paying people, actual laws and regulations kick in. There is absolutely zero justification to say that we will be paying men’s basketball players 50k each and the women’s players 5k each. Aside from the revenue, those sports are essentially the same. You pay the people for the “work” they are doing, not based on how much the company brings in for revenue.

Agreed. Already the Title IX lawyers are saying that the Collectives are really run by the schools…not an independent third party entity and they payments are “ to play” since few players have any real NIL value and the players are negotiating payments to come to play. Hence, if the schools are paying the men they have to pay the women. In the realm of employment this principle is known as equal pay for equal work.

People who work on commission would like a word.

[Xville]

IMO I think you all are kidding yourselves if you think the guys and the girls basketball players are going to get the same amount of money from the schools, or that the rower is going to get the same as a football or basketball player. It’s just not gonna happen.

They may all get some kind of “base” but there will be workarounds whether it’s in bonuses or some other type of payment

A rower or some other generic non revenue sport player and a basketball or football player is not the same kind of work. That’s like saying the janitor and the ceo is the same kind of work because they work for the same company

[MHettel]

The NCAA (and everyone else) is just assuming that the plaintiffs in the House Case will accept the settlement offer. They might, but then again…they might not. They may feel they can get more than this. And, they probably can. So, this isn’t over yet. The only thing that’s happened is the P5 and the NCAA voted and agreed to offer this as a settlement. It may get rejected.

These settlements are negotiated by both parties the entire time. They wouldn’t put it to a vote unless it was done

[xudash]

People who work on commission would like a word.

Thank you.

It’s not the “work that you do”; it’s about “what did your performance contribute.”

If this is about paying people based on revenue that they helped to generate, then a person would have to have helped generate that revenue in order to be paid something. I doubt that a fifth seed singles tennis player would ever expect that they would deserve the same flat salary as the men’s basketball team’s star player.

[MHettel]

IMO I think you all are kidding yourselves if you think the guys and the girls basketball players are going to get the same amount of money from the schools, or that the rower is going to get the same as a football or basketball player. It’s just not gonna happen.

They may all get some kind of “base” but there will be workarounds whether it’s in bonuses or some other type of payment

A rower or some other generic non revenue sport player and a basketball or football player is not the same kind of work. That’s like saying the janitor and the ceo is the same kind of work because they work for the same company

I think you are wrong. I think the amount payed to any athlete will be similar no matter the gender or sport. They could maybe base it on how long the season is or something like that, but it won’t be based on revenue.

And because of this, I think the fringe sports will die off.


And as I said earlier I think the NIL money will essentially be where the discrepancy will exists. All the football players and women’s swim team will all get their 50k “salary” from the school. But the FB team will have millions in NIL spread around. As long as that NIL exists outside of the NCAA or the school, then there is no claim of inequality of pay. Book it

[paulxu]

And because of this, I think the fringe sports will die off.

Don't you have to have a minimum of sports teams to be considered Division 1 ?

[94GRAD]

I think you are wrong. I think the amount payed to any athlete will be similar no matter the gender or sport. They could maybe base it on how long the season is or something like that, but it won’t be based on revenue.

And because of this, I think the fringe sports will die off.


And as I said earlier I think the NIL money will essentially be where the discrepancy will exists. All the football players and women’s swim team will all get their 50k “salary” from the school. But the FB team will have millions in NIL spread around. As long as that NIL exists outside of the NCAA or the school, then there is no claim of inequality of pay. Book it

Since the athletes are no longer amateurs, and in fact employees, I'm sure there will be new rules put in place with regard to Title IX

[xu82]

I wonder if anyone prefers the old system where everything was under the table and tax free. I’m guessing hell yes.

[paulxu]

Maybe not Book.

[UCGRAD4X]

People who work on commission would like a word.

And, do you think the CEO who makes a million works harder than the guys in the stockroom or the shop floor who make $20/hr?

What about the migrant worker picking lettuce in the California sun?

It's what your labor is worth to the company.

For that matter, does whomever the backup QB is make as much as Joe Burrow?

[xu82]

Maybe not Book.

True there, sir.

[xubrew]

Don't you have to have a minimum of sports teams to be considered Division 1 ?

16 without football, 13 with football. 7 have to me men's sports.

At least...I THINK that's what it is. I used to know all this like the back of my hand, but it's been a while since I needed to know it.

That may sound like a lot, but if you have a team like cross country, you can count that as cross country, indoor track, and outdoor track. If you have a men's and women's team, then you have six sports right there.

[paulxu]

Still, if there are minimums to maintain division 1 status, you just can't willy-nilly cut some teams so you don't have to pay them like football.

[MHettel]

16 without football, 13 with football. 7 have to me men's sports.

At least...I THINK that's what it is. I used to know all this like the back of my hand, but it's been a while since I needed to know it.

That may sound like a lot, but if you have a team like cross country, you can count that as cross country, indoor track, and outdoor track. If you have a men's and women's team, then you have six sports right there.

I mean, its their rule, right? They can change it to be whatever they want. This whole change to paying players will absolutely have considerable amount of fallout and some teams will get cut. Do you think it's in the NCAAs best interest to tell a school that they are no longer D1 because they only have 12 teams now? they dont want their membership to get smaller, right? They will amend the rules to allow the schools manage the number of teams they can reasonably support while not negatively impacting D1 membership.

I would not be shocked to see scholarships get reduced / removed in some cases. Instead of getting a 50K scholarship, a kid will get 50K cash as "salary" and then be expected to pay his own tuition. If they did this with mens sports, there would be fewer womens scholarships required and the school can cut the sport and the direct expense of paying the players.

[xubrew]

I mean, its their rule, right? They can change it to be whatever they want. This whole change to paying players will absolutely have considerable amount of fallout and some teams will get cut. Do you think it's in the NCAAs best interest to tell a school that they are no longer D1 because they only have 12 teams now? they dont want their membership to get smaller, right? They will amend the rules to allow the schools manage the number of teams they can reasonably support while not negatively impacting D1 membership.

I would not be shocked to see scholarships get reduced / removed in some cases. Instead of getting a 50K scholarship, a kid will get 50K cash as "salary" and then be expected to pay his own tuition. If they did this with mens sports, there would be fewer womens scholarships required and the school can cut the sport and the direct expense of paying the players.

Actually, I think they've been trying to do just that at the D1 level. There's more talk of INCREASING the number of both the teams that are required and increasing the transition period beyond four years to try and manage/discourage the number of schools that are moving up to D1. There are (I think) 364 D1 schools now. I think they would like it if about 50 of them moved back down to D2 or D3.

[bjf123]

Even though the Final 2% is not directly related to the university, contributions to it now earn Musketeer Points. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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[xukeith]

$60 million seems to be a very large donation.

Was this negotiated? Might the donors want some ROI?

Could this be donations made to X over a 5-7 year window?

I am struggling to undertsand the reason for $60 million. Why not $45 million? Or $3 million each year for the next 20 years.

[JTG]

$60 million seems to be a very large donation.

Was this negotiated? Might the donors want some ROI?

Could this be donations made to X over a 5-7 year window?

I am struggling to undertsand the reason for $60 million. Why not $45 million? Or $3 million each year for the next 20 years.

What's there to understand? Schools get donations like this all the time. The people are mega rich and they are giving some of it to their favorite school. It's not some schlub wanting to make sure he gets credit for his $100 to AFO. Places like Ivy's, and ND get donations like this every year from some well to do family.

[nickgyp]

What's there to understand? Schools get donations like this all the time. The people are mega rich and they are giving some of it to their favorite school. It's not some schlub wanting to make sure he gets credit for his $100 to AFO. Places like Ivy's, and ND get donations like this every year from some well to do family.

Last week’s student newspaper, The Xavier Newswire, had an article lamenting Xavier’s “soft” hiring freeze for the lack of a faculty rep for a student organization. The article then mentions that the school hired a business group to study what was termed to be a $16 million deficit. First I have read of this deficit specifically although dismal projections have been rumored.

The deficit wasn’t defined as immediate or projected but, in any case, that is a serious chunk of change. Perhaps someone here knows more.

[paulxu]

Xavier’s “soft” hiring freeze for the lack of a faculty rep for a student organization.

I never knew they "hired" people to be faculty reps for student organizations.
I thought that was a thing that faculty and staff did as part of their work at the University (guess on a volunteer basis).
So, if there was a "Toledo Club" on campus (use to be things like that), some staff/faculty would be their "advisor."
Weird.