Talent Pipeline

[MHettel]

I thought this team would be better than it's current record. And frankly the record does not deceive my eyes. This is not quality basketball I'm watching.

Travis Steele accomplished so little with so much, so we arent in THAT situation.

What I'm seeing is Miller accomplishing very little with very little. On paper, the 3 upper-class transfers should be doing more. One of three has panned out, the other 2 have not played up to even their own prior performance. The Euros have been a collective disappointment. We HAVE to play those guys just due to lack of alternatives.

My point is that this looks like a lost season already. The last time I felt that way this early was 2012-13 in Mack's second year. We lost Holloway and Lyons and Freese and Wells. Our core returners included Jeff Robinson (SR), Justine Martin (SO) and Dee Davis (SO). Travis Taylor also returned and had a really solid SR year after a pretty poor JR season. redford was a Senior, but a one trick pony side show kind of guy. Isiah Philmore was brought in, and was a dud for 2 years in my opinion. James Farr was a Freshman...and looked like it (when he played). But Semaj Christon was a gem and was in a great spot to be "the man" as a Freshman. He saved our bacon in what turned out to be a 17-12 season...

The cupboard seemed bare, and next year it was much of the same. Semaj was very good again. Martin was still lazy, and Philmore still played below the rim. Stainbrook was solid. Farr was improved. Dee Davis was still pretty average, but kind of reliable. Myles Davis was a rotation guy. Jalen Reynolds as well. So possibly 5-6 guys that had shown improvement were eligible to return.

the NEXT year, Semaj leaves but the other guys stay and start building a core of a solid team for years to come while additions Trevon, JP, O'Mara and Sumner get added to the mix. Remy Abell was a high quality defense first guard that didnt need to get shots. So we turned the corner in about 2 seasons and that group took us to being a 1 seed.

So now I'm left looking across the current roster to see if I can see the potential. Claude can be great for 2 more years. he's our current version of Semaj. Has to put the team on his back, and has a pretty big deficiency to hide. Olivari is gone. McKnight can return, but will he? Same with Abou. Do we see them as better players next year, or is this it? The Euro's are a huge question mark. maybe they all get much better. maybe 2 of them leave. I'm taking no bets on those guys right now. We have 2 wing shooter in Ducharme and Craft that were spposed to be snipers and cant see the floor on a team desperate for shooting (I know Craft is injured, but he looked like a walk on last year). Freemantle and Hunter can and are supposedly coming back next year....ok, I'll believe it when I see it. What would this team even look like next year? The same thing we already see, minus the only shooter we have and adding 2 MORE guys that cant shoot from 3 and one of which is a traffic cone.

I'm LOOKING for the talent. Swain and Green could blossom. Claude could stay. But right now I dont WANT all the guys that COULD come back to all come back. We probably need 4 -5 of them. Then we're back to the portal....or Europe. having to play the weak NIL hand we have.

I guess it can happen quick (my original point), but roster uncertainty is a huge deal now that wasnt an issue before. Not sure how long we may be in the bottom half of the league, but I currently see very little current talent (or commited talent) to think that this can be a 1-2 year situation.

[Xuperman]

When you say "the weak NIL hand we have", can you elaborate? Can anyone here detail the Xavier NIL situation? I have not a clue of what's going on here, or anywhere else for that matter.

When all this crap started, the perception was that players were going to get paid to be spokesman for local businesses, sell autographs and get a cut of personalized merch/jersey sales. I am not seeing any of that. Can you buy an Olivari jersey at Cintas?

The reality is, this simply has become "pay to play"....a BUY A PLAYER circus.

Isn't it inevitable that this will create locker room friction and team chemistry issues? I mean, say a guy is getting 7 figures, but severely underperformed. Wouldn't that piss some people off? Is it possible a player can make more than his Head Coach? Is there anywhere these NIL payouts are made public?

Transparency and regulation can't come soon enough.

[Xville]

I think we have a good young core that we will need to supplement for the next couple of years until the pipeline is back where it needs to be. Steele effed the roster up because he couldn’t recruit high school talent consistently nor develop anyone.

Ciani
Djokovic
Swain
Green
Claude

Are a good core to build around. X needs a beefy big or two to develop and a 2. I’m not concerned with the pipeline, it will just take a bit imo

[JTG]

I'd do whatever I could to get 2 or 3 shooters. Games are so much easier when you have guys that can consistently hit from outside.

[xuphan]

I think we have a good young core that we will need to supplement for the next couple of years until the pipeline is back where it needs to be. Steele effed the roster up because he couldn’t recruit high school talent consistently nor develop anyone.

Ciani
Djokovic
Swain
Green
Claude

Are a good core to build around. X needs a beefy big or two to develop and a 2. I’m not concerned with the pipeline, it will just take a bit imo

I trust Miller but I am not sure our EuroBigs are going to work in the Big East. We definitely need a Jalen Reynolds type big who can beat and bang in the post. Miller also lost Craft, Free, and Hunter to injuries so that hasn’t helped as well.

[drudy23]

I am concerned with the pipeline, as stated previously.

I'm also not sure we're getting significantly better players through our recruiting. Have the last 10 year's worth of players been better than the prior 10 year's worth of players? I'd argue it's pretty similar. And I'm not talking about recruiting rankings, I'm talking about results. There's an argument that Mack's players were indeed better and better suited for the Big East.

Steele put this program in a hole, and it's terrible timing with the advent of NIL because every bit of that number 1 seed momentum was gone in a heartbeat. For the first time in my lifetime, I feel we are multiple years away from being who we once were.

I feel like NIL has the potential to put this program into the small market doldrums like every other Cincinnati teams for the past 35 years.

[XUGRAD80]

I know that this has come up before, but……how much different would this roster look if both Free and Hunter were playing? If the current bigs were the backups and not the starters? The fact that the current starters are getting minutes that they most likely would not have gotten under different circumstances might mean that they will develop more quickly, but unfortunately Miller is having to play them a lot more than he was ever planning to do. If Free and Hunt are playing are a couple of them even here? I doubt it. This is a roster that Miller never expected to have this year, but is playing out of necessity.

In my mind this has become a throwaway year. I’m not going to worry about the record or about X going to the NCAA tourney. I think that they will end up with a losing record and will be staying home in March. I’m not going to worry about what next year’s roster will look like. Not going to worry about who stays, who goes, or who comes. I’ve no control over that and it’s a long way away. X has had some struggling years before and have come out of it. They will again.

[Xville]

I trust Miller but I am not sure our EuroBigs are going to work in the Big East. We definitely need a Jalen Reynolds type big who can beat and bang in the post. Miller also lost Craft, Free, and Hunter to injuries so that hasn’t helped as well.

I agree with that to a point. I think Djokovic can develop into a solid stretch 4 ala free and I think Ciani can develop into a capable 5 but regardless we need a beefy big to either develop or go pay for. That and a shooter to go along with green and I think x is in decent shape next year with another year of development for these young guys.

[drudy23]

I know that this has come up before, but……how much different would this roster look if both Free and Hunter were playing? .

Different enough where we'd all probably be relatively satisfied if they were playing. They were huge losses, but it's also put a spotlight on our lack of guys like them who we know can produce in the Big East.

[Drew]

While X has been pretty fortunate in avoiding rebuilds, it's obvious this is a rebuild. My only problem is that instead of giving as many minutes to the freshman to try and hurry up the rebuild (and see who is capable) we are giving transfers minutes and they will be gone in a year or two at most. My guess is Green transfers after his sophomore year along with Nzeh and Ducharme.

[drudy23]

Was Green a Miller guy or Steele guy?

[MHettel]

I know that this has come up before, but……how much different would this roster look if both Free and Hunter were playing? If the current bigs were the backups and not the starters? The fact that the current starters are getting minutes that they most likely would not have gotten under different circumstances might mean that they will develop more quickly, but unfortunately Miller is having to play them a lot more than he was ever planning to do. If Free and Hunt are playing are a couple of them even here? I doubt it. This is a roster that Miller never expected to have this year, but is playing out of necessity.

In my mind this has become a throwaway year. I’m not going to worry about the record or about X going to the NCAA tourney. I think that they will end up with a losing record and will be staying home in March. I’m not going to worry about what next year’s roster will look like. Not going to worry about who stays, who goes, or who comes. I’ve no control over that and it’s a long way away. X has had some struggling years before and have come out of it. They will again.

If we had Free and Hunter, we'd still have interior defense issues and a lack of deep shooting. We'd probably be better and maybe would have avoided the crap losses to Oakland and Delaware.

[bleedXblue]

You cant miss on transfers as badly as we did this year.......especially in the post we whiffed. I'll also add and I've said more than once Miller dropped the ball this past spring and summer and didnt start trying to fill the massive holes in the post until this fall. He and everyone else knew Free was hurt and not 100% sure he would play. The only other "big" on the roster was Nzeh and he is a HUGE project.

[drudy23]

You cant miss on transfers as badly as we did this year.......especially in the post we whiffed. I'll also add and I've said more than once Miller dropped the ball this past spring and summer and didnt start trying to fill the massive holes in the post until this fall. He and everyone else knew Free was hurt and not 100% sure he would play. The only other "big" on the roster was Nzeh and he is a HUGE project.

My guess he was trying to land a great big in the portal but couldn't overcome the NIL discrepancy.

[xukeith]

So X is probably in lower bracket of programs due to this loser of a season. Often I hang my hopes on freshmen growing and developing .

Green, Swain, Lazar, and Ciaini, will be better but top half of BE better? Opposing coaches often say X is not a good shooting team.
How can Miller change this?

Is it too much to ask of Lazar to become an improved shooter/scorer and rebounder next season?

[drudy23]

So X is probably in lower bracket of programs due to this loser of a season. Often I hang my hopes on freshmen growing and developing .

Green, Swain, Lazar, and Ciaini, will be better but top half of BE better? Opposing coaches often say X is not a good shooting team.
How can Miller change this?

Is it too much to ask of Lazar to become an improved shooter/scorer and rebounder next season?

Not sure he has a choice. All of these young guys have to make significant improvements as they are the future.

You can see how the lure of straddling the edge of compliance is somewhat a necessity in the talent arms race. It has to keep coaches up at night as talent is the lifeblood of any top tier program.

[noteggs]

Was Green a Miller guy or Steele guy?

Miller

[Xville]

So X is probably in lower bracket of programs due to this loser of a season. Often I hang my hopes on freshmen growing and developing .

Green, Swain, Lazar, and Ciaini, will be better but top half of BE better? Opposing coaches often say X is not a good shooting team.
How can Miller change this?

Is it too much to ask of Lazar to become an improved shooter/scorer and rebounder next season?

Next year x most likely has free/hunter. Need a shooter or two and a beefy big or two.

I think Djokovic can develop into a good stretch four but it’s just potential at this point. We shall see. As far as the rest of the guys, I think the group can turn into a top half be team but again it’s potential at this point. They are freshmen, some blossom and some don’t.

[MHettel]

So X is probably in lower bracket of programs due to this loser of a season. Often I hang my hopes on freshmen growing and developing .

Green, Swain, Lazar, and Ciaini, will be better but top half of BE better? Opposing coaches often say X is not a good shooting team.
How can Miller change this?

Is it too much to ask of Lazar to become an improved shooter/scorer and rebounder next season?

Ciani plays below the rim. Hes got a big lower half and needs to figure out how to use it (like O'Mara did). But without having position and a great nose for the ball, opponents are just out-jumping him for rebounds. Not sure how he gets better. he hasnt shown much touch and hasnt shot outide of 10 feet. He's not passing out of the post either. I think he's shapin up to be a career frontcourt backup.

Lazar has shown me nothing. he seems clumsy. Lots of loose balls when hes around. Havent seen the shooting either.

I think Green could be effective but only as a scoring PG. He's gotta shoot 38%+, AND get to the rim. Cant play him at the 2, or he'll get eaten alive by bigger guys.

Swain seems active and has eth most potential in my view. Derrick Brown comes to mind.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Ciani plays below the rim. Hes got a big lower half and needs to figure out how to use it (like O'Mara did). But without having position and a great nose for the ball, opponents are just out-jumping him for rebounds. Not sure how he gets better. he hasnt shown much touch and hasnt shot outide of 10 feet. He's not passing out of the post either. I think he's shapin up to be a career frontcourt backup.

Lazar has shown me nothing. he seems clumsy. Lots of loose balls when hes around. Havent seen the shooting either.

I think Green could be effective but only as a scoring PG. He's gotta shoot 38%+, AND get to the rim. Cant play him at the 2, or he'll get eaten alive by bigger guys.

Swain seems active and has eth most potential in my view. Derrick Brown comes to mind.

Hold on Hettel. You are drawing conclusions after less than one third of these kids first season. Give them some space. What first year players don't have issues? I understand your pessimism given that we all gave Steele so much room on his recruits and most of them could not play at a Big East level. But one cannot under-estimate the importance of experience and maturity at this level of college basketball. and that is where, I think, you are missing the boat.

In general, I agree with your conclusions about their performance today. Again, that is today. Let's consider each of these players.

Ciani, you are correct, is not athletic. But athleticism is not a necessary condition to rebounding and low post scoring. It helps certainly. What Ciani needs to do is find the weight room. He needs muscle which frankly, I'm a bit surprised he lacks given his age and pedigree. Give him a year and I think he will be much more effective.

Lazar has the green light from Miller. That is all I need to know. It takes a while as we have seen in Green, for shooting talent to translate into making shots at this level. He too needs to locate the weight room and spend a significant amount of time there at season end.

I share your concerns about Green's potential defensive lability but I'm confident he will hit your performance metrics. He's already shown me the ability to come off the bench and make immediate contributions. Still, he's a freshman.

Swain is a solid defensive player already but guess what? He can't shoot. Yet.

XUGRAD80 used the term "throwaway year" and I think that is how to stay sane. This isn't Steele. This is Miller. Have a little faith.

[drudy23]

I have complete faith in Miller. He's always going to be excellent.

But things like NIL funding are kind of out of his control. And so much of landing Big East talent, especially in the portal, will be NIL driven.

[MHettel]

Hold on Hettel. You are drawing conclusions after less than one third of these kids first season. Give them some space. What first year players don't have issues? I understand your pessimism given that we all gave Steele so much room on his recruits and most of them could not play at a Big East level. But one cannot under-estimate the importance of experience and maturity at this level of college basketball. and that is where, I think, you are missing the boat.

In general, I agree with your conclusions about their performance today. Again, that is today. Let's consider each of these players.

Ciani, you are correct, is not athletic. But athleticism is not a necessary condition to rebounding and low post scoring. It helps certainly. What Ciani needs to do is find the weight room. He needs muscle which frankly, I'm a bit surprised he lacks given his age and pedigree. Give him a year and I think he will be much more effective.

Lazar has the green light from Miller. That is all I need to know. It takes a while as we have seen in Green, for shooting talent to translate into making shots at this level. He too needs to locate the weight room and spend a significant amount of time there at season end.

I share your concerns about Green's potential defensive lability but I'm confident he will hit your performance metrics. He's already shown me the ability to come off the bench and make immediate contributions. Still, he's a freshman.

Swain is a solid defensive player already but guess what? He can't shoot. Yet.

XUGRAD80 used the term "throwaway year" and I think that is how to stay sane. This isn't Steele. This is Miller. Have a little faith.

I've been watching for about 30 years. My track record for figuring out which guys are gonna be real contributors has been pretty good. Same with the guys that flame out. I never root AGAINST anyone, and in some cases I let my fandom overrule what I'm actually seeing (KyKy tandy as an example was never efficient or effective and yet I just wanted him to be a microwave scorer.)

I was pretty wrong on 2 guys. I had low hopes for BJ after watching him as a Freshman, and I never saw Jason Love turning into the guy that he became. But for the most part, what-you-see-is-what-you-get after seeing these guys play around 100 minutes during "regular" game time.

After watching Dionte Miles get some PT it was pretty obvious he wasnt ever going to flourish at this level. After watching Ceasar Edwards last year does it surprise you that he dropped down to Missouri State as a transfer.

Daniel Ramsey, Keonte Kennedy, Brandon Randolph, Elijah Tucker, Dontarious James, Dahmir Bishop, Elias Harden, Larry Austin, Makinde London.....

which of those guys shocked you when they A) Transferred and B) did very little afterwards?

I realize that these guys will all get a little better. I see Ciani as a O'Mara type of guy. A quality backup 5.

I've seen nothing out of Lazar yet. maybe he's unstoppable in practice, but in the games he's shooting 35%, not getting to the line, and has 2.6 turnovers for every assist. So applying my same method of observation on him that I used on that laundry list of former transfers, I'm leaning towards the reality that he may not make it. Sure he's a freshman, and sure he can get better....but the early returns look bleak.

I'll restate that I think Green can make it. I'm not sure that Miller prefers a "scoring first" type of PG, but if his shooting percentages are there, he can be a good one.

I'm bullish on Swain and can see that hes barely physically developed (and hes young) so growing into being a man is a legit possibility. I "see" it in him.

[xukeith]

Maybe X can get Duke's Christian Reeves

He is a 7 footer and he doesn't play much as a sophomore.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

People here need to pump the brakes.

Miller is doing a great job with what he has. He lost ALL his low post experience. Ousmane was brought in when he thought he had Free/Hunter. Ousmane was NOT brought in to be the #1 front court threat he is now. That role is clearly not what he was prepared to play.

We should all know very well what lacking one portion of an offense does. Steele often had teams that were poor three point threats. That allowed defenses to double the low post and sag on the guards to prevent the dribble/drive.

Miller lacks any and all low post threats. Ousmane is there sometimes but disappears like someone not ready to be a consistent threat. He doesn't draw many doubles leaving what three point threats we have well covered.

Ciani/Djokovic are taking huge lumps but they will hopefully learn. Nzeh is getting a year in the system to get bigger and learn. Green/Swain are getting significant minutes as Freshmen. Hopefully all stay and we can add Free/Hunter but even if those two move on we should improve with all these fresh faces (with no college experience) returning. We will obviously have transfers, but hopefully the players see the potential.

Good lord, Miller loses two 5th year senior bigs late in the summer and brings in talent with zero minutes of college ball and you expect things to go smoothly.

[drudy23]

The concern is that it seems we're multiple years away, and after the Steele years, the patience is understandably thin.

That's also assuming the current guys on the roster turn into difference makers. You can typically tell a difference maker early on. Outside of Claude, not sure they exist on this current roster.

We've seen what it takes to win this conference, and we feel very far from that. That's an accurate assessment, and it doesn't sit well, even if we know there are reasons for it.

[bleedXblue]

The concern is that it seems we're multiple years away, and after the Steele years, the patience is understandably thin.

That's also assuming the current guys on the roster turn into difference makers. You can typically tell a difference maker early on. Outside of Claude, not sure they exist on this current roster.

We've seen what it takes to win this conference, and we feel very far from that. That's an accurate assessment, and it doesn't sit well, even if we know there are reasons for it.

We either land some really good portal talent this offseason, or where at least 2 years away from being able to compete for BE titles.

Side Note- Matta in year two is making some good progress. It can be done, but you cant whiff on so many guys like we have.

[kane79]

Is this the prelude to the "FIRE SEAN MILLER" thread? cause thats kind of how its coming across from some

[Xville]

Is this the prelude to the "FIRE SEAN MILLER" thread? cause thats kind of how its coming across from some

This board has some serious Steele ptsd. This is miller folks. X will be fine. it may end up being a bad year but good grief some of you all need to chill the f out and maybe smoke something

[Backyard Champ]

Sean built a roster from scratch that competed well against two top ten teams. 10 new guys isn’t easy. I’m very excited about the future. Next year with Free and Hunter back? Watch out.

[xukeith]

Need: a consistent low post scorer and defender.
Need: a guard who can kill opponents from 3 and ft line

Not so sure X has it in this roster.

Seems like most posters are putting all their chips on Lazar.

[drudy23]

Is this the prelude to the "FIRE SEAN MILLER" thread? cause thats kind of how its coming across from some

I don't think the majority are really even assigning blame. They understand the circumstances and they're all legit.

But to say the talent isn't concerning is kind of head scratching for me. The team looks and feels exactly like it is - one that had to be thrown together at the last minute. That's not good for continuity and short-term success. I'm not convinced the majority of these guys will be the guys to lead us to a Big East title, which probably means more and more tinkering with throwing some more pieces into the mix over the next 2-3 years, which means an even longer time to get back to where we belong.

It feels like we're much deeper behind the 8 ball compared to other years where we knew we wouldn't be very good.

[XUGRAD80]

You can blame the weak inexperienced roster on the prior staff and on two returnees having illness/injury problems. The success last year was because of a few very good and experienced transfers and one senior player that came in as a recruit. But the vast majority of players recruited under the prior staff just didn’t work out. X is paying for those failures now.

[Masterofreality]

You can blame the weak inexperienced roster on the prior staff and on two returnees having illness/injury problems. The success last year was because of a few very good and experienced transfers and one senior player that came in as a recruit. But the vast majority of players recruited under the prior staff just didn’t work out. X is paying for those failures now.

The only guy that you could say you wanted back, who would still have eligibility left, is KyKy. But with his injury history there was no guarantee and if KyKy was still here, we would not have Q.
Cesare and Dontarius would be of little help. The fact is that there was no clue, UNTIL JUNE 28, that Rome & Free would not be able to play, throwing everything into a panic. Sean did what he could do.
He also got outbid on NIL for two guys that he went after hard- one to Memphis, Jones, and one to Gonzaga, Ike- both of which are averaging double figures.
This NIL stuff is going to be a problem despite denials.

[drudy23]

The only guy that you could say you wanted back, who would still have eligibility left, is KyKy. But with his injury history there was no guarantee and if KyKy was still here, we would not have Q.
Cesare and Dontarius would be of little help. The fact is that there was no clue, UNTIL JUNE 28, that Rome & Free would not be able to play, throwing everything into a panic. Sean did what he could do.
He also got outbid on NIL for two guys that he went after hard- one to Memphis, Jones, and one to Gonzaga, Ike- both of which are averaging double figures.
This NIL stuff is going to be a problem despite denials.

Graham Ike is just what this team needed. He would have been a difference maker.

Averaging 14 and 8 and shooting close to 60% from the field.

Quick google search has rumblings of his NIL deal at $500k - no clue who, if any, X players have NIL deals, and if so, what they're worth. I agree that they want to keep these things secret for a reason. It's going to have an impact.

[GoMuskies]

Speaking of Tandy, he had 25 in a win last night at Little Rock. Really happy for him that he's found the right spot to have success.

[XUGRAD80]

This NIL stuff is going to be a problem despite denials.

You aren’t wrong.

[Xavier]

Last years team was *almost as talented as Macks two best teams. They would’ve faired well against them. We were well on our way to a 2 (or even 1) seed with healthy Freemantle. We handled the eventual NCs twice. Eventually hunter came in and we adjusted but healthy Freemantle and we had as good a shot as ever to go to the F4.

All that is to say- I’m not sure any of those crop of players are guys we wouldn’t be able to get/keep in the NIL era. Colby almost flipped to Bama. I’d be shocked if they didn’t have more money for him than X. I do think NIL can be an issue. But I also think it puts an emphasis on player development, and luckily that’s one of Sean’s best attributes.

[A Fan]

I thought this team would be better than it's current record. And frankly the record does not deceive my eyes. This is not quality basketball I'm watching.

Travis Steele accomplished so little with so much, so we arent in THAT situation.

What I'm seeing is Miller accomplishing very little with very little. On paper, the 3 upper-class transfers should be doing more. One of three has panned out, the other 2 have not played up to even their own prior performance. The Euros have been a collective disappointment. We HAVE to play those guys just due to lack of alternatives.

My point is that this looks like a lost season already. The last time I felt that way this early was 2012-13 in Mack's second year. We lost Holloway and Lyons and Freese and Wells. Our core returners included Jeff Robinson (SR), Justine Martin (SO) and Dee Davis (SO). Travis Taylor also returned and had a really solid SR year after a pretty poor JR season. redford was a Senior, but a one trick pony side show kind of guy. Isiah Philmore was brought in, and was a dud for 2 years in my opinion. James Farr was a Freshman...and looked like it (when he played). But Semaj Christon was a gem and was in a great spot to be "the man" as a Freshman. He saved our bacon in what turned out to be a 17-12 season...

The cupboard seemed bare, and next year it was much of the same. Semaj was very good again. Martin was still lazy, and Philmore still played below the rim. Stainbrook was solid. Farr was improved. Dee Davis was still pretty average, but kind of reliable. Myles Davis was a rotation guy. Jalen Reynolds as well. So possibly 5-6 guys that had shown improvement were eligible to return.

the NEXT year, Semaj leaves but the other guys stay and start building a core of a solid team for years to come while additions Trevon, JP, O'Mara and Sumner get added to the mix. Remy Abell was a high quality defense first guard that didnt need to get shots. So we turned the corner in about 2 seasons and that group took us to being a 1 seed.

So now I'm left looking across the current roster to see if I can see the potential. Claude can be great for 2 more years. he's our current version of Semaj. Has to put the team on his back, and has a pretty big deficiency to hide. Olivari is gone. McKnight can return, but will he? Same with Abou. Do we see them as better players next year, or is this it? The Euro's are a huge question mark. maybe they all get much better. maybe 2 of them leave. I'm taking no bets on those guys right now. We have 2 wing shooter in Ducharme and Craft that were spposed to be snipers and cant see the floor on a team desperate for shooting (I know Craft is injured, but he looked like a walk on last year). Freemantle and Hunter can and are supposedly coming back next year....ok, I'll believe it when I see it. What would this team even look like next year? The same thing we already see, minus the only shooter we have and adding 2 MORE guys that cant shoot from 3 and one of which is a traffic cone.

I'm LOOKING for the talent. Swain and Green could blossom. Claude could stay. But right now I dont WANT all the guys that COULD come back to all come back. We probably need 4 -5 of them. Then we're back to the portal....or Europe. having to play the weak NIL hand we have.

I guess it can happen quick (my original point), but roster uncertainty is a huge deal now that wasnt an issue before. Not sure how long we may be in the bottom half of the league, but I currently see very little current talent (or commited talent) to think that this can be a 1-2 year situation.

First two kudos.
(1). Mhettel’s institutional knowledge and seemingly “ off the top of his head “ historical summary of our past teams is amazing!
( 2) . Drudy’s emphasis on how the NIL will affect a “ smaller collective” based team is instructive and will be a consistent theme in the future .

With Mhettel’s deep knowledge of our prior teams I would respectfully ask him to offer up some prior player scenarios for everyone to opine on in the context of today’s NIL driven collegiate game. If he ( or anyone else ) could recollect the national status of Derrick Henry , Jordan Crawford , David West, James Posey , J.P. Madura ( please add others) at the end of their Junior years and then everyone on the Board could put an NIL number next to their name as if they were today on the team and entered the transfer portal.

For example. After David West’s junior year he was being talked about as the next national player of the year. Would you agree that if he entered today’s portal he would get over & 1M?

What about the others?

And finally …do you really think you will see the level of talent we enjoyed in the past in the future. If yes, tell us how that will happen.

[webxu]

I am going to go out on a limb here and say Lazar will be a stud for us ( please dont come back to bite me!) He needs a little more coordination and toughness, but I can see pieces are there for Miller to develop. There is a reason he was so well though of in Europe. I trust Miller will get the most out of him. I agree Ciani could be a useful piece. Swain and Green will be very good for us as well. Patience is a virtue, and just like the 95 team that started 4 freshmen and a soph they took their lumps but paved the way for where we are today. Rose colored glasses, maybe I think we will be fine going forward. This year though is what it is.

[XUMIOH12]

My guess he was trying to land a great big in the portal but couldn't overcome the NIL discrepancy.

ding ding ding. Couldnt fork over the cash needed for the guys they really wanted in the portal.

[MHettel]

[QUOTE=Xavier;772612] Colby almost flipped to Bama. /QUOTE]

Not that I doubt this statement (although this is the first time I've seen it) it would seem that since Colby never actually entered the portal, there shouldnt have been any contact with him to even convey that Bama had an interest. Even though there are very few rules, it would still seem like a school would be prohibited from contacting a player who hasnt entered the portal. to what extent are "other parties" interferring in the process?

[Xavier]

I only saw rumors on message boards about that. No inside knowledge whatsoever. The rumor was Bama was interested in him (I think he’s from there?) and Jones wasn’t sure what he wanted to do. That was before Miller was hired and after his first meeting with Sean he was sold on him. Just saw it on a couple boards.

Regardless, you’re fooling yourself if you think schools aren’t talking to kids before entering the portal

[MHettel]

First two kudos.
(1). Mhettel’s institutional knowledge and seemingly “ off the top of his head “ historical summary of our past teams is amazing!
( 2) . Drudy’s emphasis on how the NIL will affect a “ smaller collective” based team is instructive and will be a consistent theme in the future .

With Mhettel’s deep knowledge of our prior teams I would respectfully ask him to offer up some prior player scenarios for everyone to opine on in the context of today’s NIL driven collegiate game. If he ( or anyone else ) could recollect the national status of Derrick Henry , Jordan Crawford , David West, James Posey , J.P. Madura ( please add others) at the end of their Junior years and then everyone on the Board could put an NIL number next to their name as if they were today on the team and entered the transfer portal.

For example. After David West’s junior year he was being talked about as the next national player of the year. Would you agree that if he entered today’s portal he would get over & 1M?

What about the others?

And finally …do you really think you will see the level of talent we enjoyed in the past in the future. If yes, tell us how that will happen.

I dont recall saying or implying that i didnt research my comments Actually, I DID know to start with the Semaj Freshman year team and I probably got 80% of the players right for each of the seasons I cited.....but yeah the interenet helps....

As far as your other comments, I have always viewed Derrick Henry as a standout and it would have taken an extreme amount of NIL money to get him to switch sport and come to XU.

In reality, I think David West would have been gone after his Soph year, with XU being in the A10. We cant assume that NIL money being paid TODAY ($500K +) would have been on the table back then, but he could ahve commanded TOP money as teh reigning A10 POY & DPOY. Take a look at this years top transfers and you'll see that the list is LOADED with small / mid major conference POYs and All-Conference players. These guys arent getting HUGE NIL Money I bet, but they are getting enough to entice them to move up to the bigger stage. the immediate transfer rule is as equally facilitating this phenominon as the NIL is.

Crawford only played at XU for one year, so his scenario is kind of irrelevant. Posey would have commanded top money and probably takes it to move up from the A-10. Frankly Tyrone Hill and Brain Grant probably would have taken NIL money and transferred to a bigger program if that was an option.

Other guys that could have moved on and would ahve been difficult for XU to keep include Sato, maybe Cage, maybe Duncan, maybe Doellman.

XU guys in the BE era would have been more likely to stay. The "upward" potential is less, and probably a little more NIL money on the XU side to close teh gap.

I wonder 2 things. How much could Byron have commanded in NIL? And would we all even be here talking about XU hoops if that were an option?

[xukeith]

I dont recall saying or implying that i didnt research my comments Actually, I DID know to start with the Semaj Freshman year team and I probably got 80% of the players right for each of the seasons I cited.....but yeah the interenet helps....

As far as your other comments, I have always viewed Derrick Henry as a standout and it would have taken an extreme amount of NIL money to get him to switch sport and come to XU.

In reality, I think David West would have been gone after his Soph year, with XU being in the A10. We cant assume that NIL money being paid TODAY ($500K +) would have been on the table back then, but he could ahve commanded TOP money as teh reigning A10 POY & DPOY. Take a look at this years top transfers and you'll see that the list is LOADED with small / mid major conference POYs and All-Conference players. These guys arent getting HUGE NIL Money I bet, but they are getting enough to entice them to move up to the bigger stage. the immediate transfer rule is as equally facilitating this phenominon as the NIL is.

Crawford only played at XU for one year, so his scenario is kind of irrelevant. Posey would have commanded top money and probably takes it to move up from the A-10. Frankly Tyrone Hill and Brain Grant probably would have taken NIL money and transferred to a bigger program if that was an option.

Other guys that could have moved on and would ahve been difficult for XU to keep include Sato, maybe Cage, maybe Duncan, maybe Doellman.

XU guys in the BE era would have been more likely to stay. The "upward" potential is less, and probably a little more NIL money on the XU side to close teh gap.

I wonder 2 things. How much could Byron have commanded in NIL? And would we all even be here talking about XU hoops if that were an option?

Probably not.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

ding ding ding. Couldnt fork over the cash needed for the guys they really wanted in the portal.

I have no idea where college basketball is heading. But I can make a "glass half full argument" about the future of Xavier basketball as well.

First, we don't get a lot of guys we might otherwise want. We may not even try to recruit elite players. Pre-NIL, we didn't get the top recruits coming out of high school. Now, with Miller, we do much better. I don't want to fail to recognize Miller and his staff in our recent recruiting successes but perhaps the transfer portal is a positive influence in our ability to attract talented high schoolers. We signed that young man out of Centerville for next year (our lone scholarship available as of now). Isn't he a top 100 recruit?

Maybe they stay or maybe they move on after a few years. We'll just have to wait and see. There will be kids who focus on money but there will be others who want to play for a great coach, in a great basketball venue in one of college basketball's elite conferences.

The core issue, aside from NIL, transfers, etc. is we are just not a very good team (thus far) this year. But we expected to be a good team. That is frustrating. To me, our present situation is more a function of the injuries to Free and Hunter and their replacement with young, untested players (Euro or not, seems irrelevant where they played before coming to X) than some kind of backward step in our recruiting of talent.

I don't know if we have enough experience yet with the transfer rules and NIL but has anyone looked at the collective records of teams built via the portal vs teams built from the ground up, so to speak? Is there evidence that NIL money is the key to championships? And, do you want that for X? Do fan bases just want a winner, or does it matter how you attain program success?

We should all just take a step back from the ledge and see how the season (and offseason) proceed. Might help if we dial back our expectations regarding contending for a Big East championship, March Madness, etc. and just look for measurable improvement. We are so lucky to have Miller and his staff.

[xukeith]

I have no idea where college basketball is heading. But I can make a "glass half full argument" about the future of Xavier basketball as well.

First, we don't get a lot of guys we might otherwise want. We may not even try to recruit elite players. Pre-NIL, we didn't get the top recruits coming out of high school. Now, with Miller, we do much better. I don't want to fail to recognize Miller and his staff in our recent recruiting successes but perhaps the transfer portal is a positive influence in our ability to attract talented high schoolers. We signed that young man out of Centerville for next year (our lone scholarship available as of now). Isn't he a top 100 recruit?

Maybe they stay or maybe they move on after a few years. We'll just have to wait and see. There will be kids who focus on money but there will be others who want to play for a great coach, in a great basketball venue in one of college basketball's elite conferences.

The core issue, aside from NIL, transfers, etc. is we are just not a very good team (thus far) this year. But we expected to be a good team. That is frustrating. To me, our present situation is more a function of the injuries to Free and Hunter and their replacement with young, untested players (Euro or not, seems irrelevant where they played before coming to X) than some kind of backward step in our recruiting of talent.

I don't know if we have enough experience yet with the transfer rules and NIL but has anyone looked at the collective records of teams built via the portal vs teams built from the ground up, so to speak? Is there evidence that NIL money is the key to championships? And, do you want that for X? Do fan bases just want a winner, or does it matter how you attain program success?

We should all just take a step back from the ledge and see how the season (and offseason) proceed. Might help if we dial back our expectations regarding contending for a Big East championship, March Madness, etc. and just look for measurable improvement. We are so lucky to have Miller and his staff.

Let's say there is a high school talent that loves the BE conference and wants to win with a great coach and also can gain good NIL $ from donors, which of the current BE programs do you think X can compete and win against in recruiting?

I would guess this imaginary high school prospect would prefer the BE school with most recent success, good solid coaches, good NIL $, and has solid current NBA alumni.

I would guess X can compete head to head vs top 3 BE talent (not UConn) but when all variables equal out, NIL $ makes the final decision.

Not sure if UC's NIL offer to Olivari was significantly better than X but I imagine so.

[bleedXblue]

Would be really good to see some progress from any of the 3 Euros soon. I would hope we see more of Green and Swain. Green gives us another shooter and playmaker and Swain gives us a lot of versatility other than he struggles to make jumpers. Lazar continues to not really do anything. Hope he starts to develop some confidence soon. Last thing, as long as Des thinks his shot isn't going in.....it isn't going in. That kid needs to believe in himself more and play with some damn swagger.

[XUGRAD80]

The prior staff swung and missed on way to many top recruits. X got close on a lot, but just couldn’t seem to close the deal. Miller has brought in some top 100 recruits and will bring in more. Top 50 recruits? X probably isn’t going to get any of them because of lack of NIL money. Not that X doesn’t have some, but they just don’t have the alumni base and business support that schools surrounding X, or even just within the BE, have. In some cases we might be talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars in difference between what X can promise and what other schools around X can offer. It’s going to be imperative that X be able to identify potential in under the radar recruits, develop that potential, and then find a way to keep them here. It’s also going to be important that X has the ability to look at kids not just in this area of the country, but in every area of the country and across the pond. This is all going to take money and that’s not something that I’m confident that X has enough of. It might just come down to the fact that X can compete in every way but money. There might just not be enough money available for X to compete at the level we all want them to.

Just one of the reasons that this NIL process needs to have some kind of controls that are designed to equal out the opportunities for all sorts of schools to compete. Right now the state schools, and the rich private schools, with big donor bases have the upper hand. There have always been the haves and the have nots, but I hate to think that winning on the college level will come down just to who has the gold and who doesn’t.

[Masterofreality]

I don't know if we have enough experience yet with the transfer rules and NIL but has anyone looked at the collective records of teams built via the portal vs teams built from the ground up, so to speak? Is there evidence that NIL money is the key to championships? And, do you want that for X? Do fan bases just want a winner, or does it matter how you attain program success?

See Florida Atlantic…

[Xville]

Not sure what mor’s point is since fau’s makeup is a mixture.

Regardless, I have faith in the ability of miller to fill the pipeline with what tools he has at his disposal. We have seen his ability and to question it now to me is kind of silly. Top 25-50 guys were already getting paid. Nothing has changed in that regard. The reality is that it is going to take him a couple of seasons. Steele effed up the roster, it’s going to take a bit to fix without an insane amount of nil money. Just give it time. Have you all seen green and swain? Those guys are going to be studs. Miller will be able to get that talent to x on a yearly basis. Just chill the f out.

[XUGRAD80]

Not sure what mor’s point is since fau’s makeup is a mixture.

Regardless, I have faith in the ability of miller to fill the pipeline with what tools he has at his disposal. We have seen his ability and to question it now to me is kind of silly. Top 25-50 guys were already getting paid. Nothing has changed in that regard. The reality is that it is going to take him a couple of seasons. Steele effed up the roster, it’s going to take a bit to fix without an insane amount of nil money. Just give it time. Have you all seen green and swain? Those guys are going to be studs. Miller will be able to get that talent to x on a yearly basis. Just chill the f out.

What HAS changed is that now almost EVERY player is going to get paid something. I agree that Steele put X into a hole and it’s going to take a few years for X to dig their way out. I also agree that Miller is going to be able to do it. My worry is that X won’t be able to compete financially with UConn, Nova, Gtown,and even Creighton because X is in a much more competitive area of the country compared to them. X is competing not just against other BE schools, but also UC, Louisville, UK, OSU, Indiana, and even UD for talent in this area of the country. Even if the NIL money is comparable, those are still tough obstacles to overcome. I’ve faith in Miller, but that’s a lot,to overcome on a regular basis.

[paulxu]

I trust Miller's ability to identify and develop talent.
The challenge becomes when they get to junior year. If they have matured into top talent, then another school can buy them away.
We'll become a feeder for development for others. Not a pretty picture.

[Xville]

I trust Miller's ability to identify and develop talent.
The challenge becomes when they get to junior year. If they have matured into top talent, then another school can buy them away.
We'll become a feeder for development for others. Not a pretty picture.

To me, If and when that actually becomes an issue, I’ll fret about it. Otherwise, not going to worry about things that may/may not happen. I guess if others want to, that’s their prerogative. Guys may come and go but I think once miller fills the pipeline, a loss here and there while it may sting a little, won’t be that big of a deal.

[bjf123]

We keep bringing up NIL money. I’m curious if anyone is checking to see if the players are actually getting paid for the use of their name, image, or likeness. Anyone want to bet that most are just cashing the checks and doing nothing?


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[Xville]

We keep bringing up NIL money. I’m curious if anyone is checking to see if the players are actually getting paid for the use of their name, image, or likeness. Anyone want to bet that most are just cashing the checks and doing nothing?


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Oh I’m sure that’s happening in most cases. I think in most cases the school is directly paying the players even if the check doesn’t say Xavier university on it. I think people are naive if they don’t think that’s what is happening

[XUGRAD80]

Schools may not be paying directly, but I’d bet dollars to doughnuts that they are making all the arrangements between the booster/employer and the athlete. Amounts to the same thing, only the school can claim that the agreement is between others and that they aren’t directly involved. Wink wink

[bjf123]

I trust Miller's ability to identify and develop talent.
The challenge becomes when they get to junior year. If they have matured into top talent, then another school can buy them away.
We'll become a feeder for development for others. Not a pretty picture.

I’m afraid that in a few years, D1 football and basketball will become like MLB. You’ll have a handful of schools with stupid money with everyone else trying to compete, but usually failing. Sure, you’ll have a school catch lightning in a bottle every once in a while, but that will be the exception more than the rule.

In a post somewhere, it was said that schools and players aren’t supposed to directly talk about money. I recently saw a news report quoting an unnamed D1 head coach saying one of his players approached him and said he and his parents thought he needed more money in order to keep playing. Just stop the charade of having them go to class. They’re professional athletes now.


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[94GRAD]

I’m afraid that in a few years, D1 football and basketball will become like MLB. You’ll have a handful of schools with stupid money with everyone else trying to compete, but usually failing. Sure, you’ll have a school catch lightning in a bottle every once in a while, but that will be the exception more than the rule.

In a post somewhere, it was said that schools and players aren’t supposed to directly talk about money. I recently saw a news report quoting an unnamed D1 head coach saying one of his players approached him and said he and his parents thought he needed more money in order to keep playing. Just stop the charade of having them go to class. They’re professional athletes now.


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Hasn't it been this way the past 50 years in both sports?

[xudash]

Hasn't it been this way the past 50 years in both sports?

Yes.

We have spent around 44 years getting to where we are now. It started with new Xavier leadership finally getting it with a nudge from Bill Daly. Then we were fortunate to hire the right coaches early on, and then mostly maintain that string. That built some winning and fan support that propelled us through the MCC to the Atlantic 10. More success followed, but with the critical element of conference affiliation still missing. That was taken care of in 2013. Other than one bad coaching hire, we have mostly taken advantage of our current situation.

So, Xavier has a strong foundation for moving forward. We aren’t some flash in the pan program that made an F4 and faded away.

We do have a lot to offer, while understanding that the current NIL environment must be navigated. No one here has mentioned the agreement that was just reached between some company (I cannot remember the name) and both UC and Xavier for what I think is some form of NIL support. Being located in Cincinnati has to help more than it hurts.

The very top talent will continue to go where they have always historically gone. We never had a shot at them before and we will not have a shot at them in the future, for the most part.

We have no way of knowing at this point whether or not NIL can be or will be “fixed“ in any way through legislation, self governing, etc.

We have to find a way through this issue. We have to have success with the next Big East media agreement. And we need to survive whatever conference realignment dishes out in the near future.

On that note, keep your bars fully stocked, please drink carefully, and Merry Christmas!

[Masterofreality]

Hope everyone on here had a Merry Christmas.

I think that next season will finally wash out all the players who could have taken an extra “Covid Year”. No more in 2025-2026.
And I’m here for it. Enough of 6 year College Basketball players.
Let’s return to sanity.

[X-band '01]

Yeah, I think it's players who could get a Covid year for the 2020-21 season will be finishing up in 2024-25.

[X-band '01]

I believe both Dayvion McKnight and Abou Ousmane (both of whom played 3 years at their previous schools beginning in 2020-21) could get an extra Covid year but not Quincy Olivari.

[sirthought]

Miller develops guys much better than Steele or Mac. And he's not going to linger with someone that isn't playing his system like he wants them to.

That said, I'm pretty positive about progress for our freshmen after all the floor time they are seeing this year. I don't see them getting recruited over as much as some of the older guys who might have time left. It's hard to say who will break out as the stud, but collectively I feel better about these guys than many other freshmen we've had over the years. We just have the misfortune of not having better talent on the roster ahead of them.

Yeah, it's concerning they aren't shooting and rebounding better, but I think a lot of that is mind set and just how fast/slow you see the game. Toughness and IQ is where Miller will accelerate with these kids after one season.

Ciani is going to bulk up and get way tougher. He already plays pretty good for as little time as he's had here.

Djokovic is a bit of a mystery, but I think he has potential to expand in several areas. As someone who studied overseas in high school and college, I know that being a foreigner is a huge deal and can present setbacks.

Green fucks up way too much because he's not used to defenses knowing how to stop him, but that will improve. He'll improve on defense about as well as a ton of other XU players who were only okay at defense, but they'll figure out the system better.

Swain is going to explode in multiple ways. That kid has the quickest potential.

Nzeh will be fighting to show he belongs. He might be a transfer if he's not playing more now. And then again, he might stick around because we have schollys and need big guys in practice. If that's the case he'll likely ride the bench until he gets board and leaves.

I really don't understand what the deal is with other guys on the bench so it's hard to comment. But if these guys and Claude advance, I feel like Miller's recruiting is going to set us in a good direction in another year or two.

Miller missed his first season going to the NCAA. He had the team in fighting form after that.

NIL will forever suck, but if we could figure things out in the A10, I'm sure we can win somehow moving forward.

[webxu]

"NIL will forever suck, but if we could figure things out in the A10, I'm sure we can win somehow moving forward."


The problem is we are not in the A10 anymore... Even in our down years there we could still compete for a title. A down year now means we get 3-6 conference wins.

[Xville]

"NIL will forever suck, but if we could figure things out in the A10, I'm sure we can win somehow moving forward."


The problem is we are not in the A10 anymore... Even in our down years there we could still compete for a title. A down year now means we get 3-6 conference wins.

3-6 conference wins, really? You think a miller coached team is ever going to be in that position? Geez.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

3-6 conference wins, really? You think a miller coached team is ever going to be in that position? Geez.

Bill Koch of the Providence (RI) Journal ranks X ninth in conference ahead of only DePaul and Georgetown.

[GoMuskies]

Yeah, I think this team still has hope, but I would be anything but shocked to see them only win 6 Big East games.

[Xville]

Yeah, I think this team still has hope, but I would be anything but shocked to see them only win 6 Big East games.

Really? 5-13 the rest of the way you think is at least realistic? I don’t get it. This team has some deficiencies but geezus

[GoMuskies]

I mean, they've lost at home to Oakland and Delaware, and 8 of those 19 games are against teams currently in the top 25.

I can see this Xavier team winning 10 or 11 more games if they get some breaks in some close ones. But against this schedule I'm not sure how you could rule out a bunch of additional losses.

[XUGRAD80]

Bill Koch of the Providence (RI) Journal ranks X ninth in conference ahead of only DePaul and Georgetown.

Yet they just smoked SH by 20……what do writers know?

[xudash]

Losing to Oakland and Delaware was the pits. It's too bad we couldn't find a way to pull those games out.

But how many points would Townsend (?) get if he played Xavier now? More to the point, wouldn't we all expect Xavier to beat both of those teams if we were to play them again now?

Sean has consistently said that the Xavier team we see in March will look nothing like the team that was rolled out in November. So, do they have sufficient talent and will to improve enough to have success against a tough league schedule?

We shall see.

[webxu]

3-6 conference wins, really? You think a miller coached team is ever going to be in that position? Geez.

Not a knock on Miller, just the reality of playing the Big East, the bottom tier teams win 3-6 conference games generally in our league. Not saying thats where we are, just pointing the competition is much higher caliber now.

[hydmuskie]

What HAS changed is that now almost EVERY player is going to get paid something. I agree that Steele put X into a hole and it’s going to take a few years for X to dig their way out. I also agree that Miller is going to be able to do it. My worry is that X won’t be able to compete financially with UConn, Nova, Gtown,and even Creighton because X is in a much more competitive area of the country compared to them. X is competing not just against other BE schools, but also UC, Louisville, UK, OSU, Indiana, and even UD for talent in this area of the country. Even if the NIL money is comparable, those are still tough obstacles to overcome. I’ve faith in Miller, but that’s a lot,to overcome on a regular basis.

The thing about NIL that has me confused is whether PT matters to kids anymore. Would you rather be paid a 200k and NOT see the court? Or would you rather get paid 50k, but have a chance at PT and get to play in some professional league. I am an old geezer at this point and dont pretend to understand this generation... but I would rather get playing time as long as my basic finances were covered.

[Xville]

I mean, they've lost at home to Oakland and Delaware, and 8 of those 19 games are against teams currently in the top 25.

I can see this Xavier team winning 10 or 11 more games if they get some breaks in some close ones. But against this schedule I'm not sure how you could rule out a bunch of additional losses.

I understand the losses to Oakland and Delaware giving people pause, but I’ve seen some growth since then. I don’t see the schedule as daunting as winning only 5 more games. Hell, four of the games are against DePaul and Georgetown. To me, 10-10 is the floor.

[bobbiemcgee]

Wonder how much Rioux gets from Florida 7.750 feet.

[xukeith]

With remaining BE schedule road games, how many of these could X really win?
Expectations of at least 5 away wins seems right to me.
Remaining home games X should expect to win 7 home.

[Xville]

With remaining BE schedule road games, how many of these could X really win?
Expectations of at least 5 away wins seems right to me.
Remaining home games X should expect to win 7 home.

That’s where I’m at. Will it happen? I dunno but I think it’s doable and what I have said for a while now.

Road wins:

DePaul
Gtown
Hall
Butler

And one that’s a surprise. Really shouldn’t be losing much at Cintas in conference. No sleepy crowds outside of maybe DePaul, gtown but they suck so bad it won’t matter.

[GoMuskies]

We'll be solid dogs at Hall and Butler. Doesn't mean we won't win, of course.

At least we would be if we played those games today. Hopefully by the time of the games we'll have gone streaking to improve our power rankings immensely.

[sirthought]

NIL is putting major pressure on ALL the Big East schools. I mean, what program isn't in a market saturated with other colleges reaching out to local big businesses for funding opportunities? Sports or otherwise? They are all smaller universities, except UCONN, DePaul, and Georgetown. So they have limited alumni base to shake down for even more cash. Big 10/SEC types will always have an advantage there moving forward.

A business can sign an athlete to endorse them or promote them on social media, but other avenues, like the Rhinegeist/Cincy Light beer sales for UC, will be key brand building choices across a consumer marketplace that doesn't care about funding a college kid's lifestyle, just because they enjoy sports teams playing well. I know XU has money coming in, but I'm not seeing that sort of presence in Cincinnati yet. Those beer sales are huge right now.

Universities are going to have to get cooperation from congress and the courts to put some sort of common sense guidelines for this, as it won't be helpful for a developing 18 year old to be worried whether they are clearing $100K or not, and getting to study hall on time.


Despite all of that, I think Sean Miller will have people around him to help him find athletes that can grow and win with teamwork. If NIL continues the way it is now, I bet the NCAA will split and the Big East won't be going with those bigger conferences. But college sports will continue and we'll find a way to make it fun and fill that talent pipeline.

[X-band '01]

Bill Koch of the Providence (RI) Journal ranks X ninth in conference ahead of only DePaul and Georgetown.

Is that the former UC ballwasher Bill Koch?

[bleedXblue]

That’s where I’m at. Will it happen? I dunno but I think it’s doable and what I have said for a while now.

Road wins:

DePaul
Gtown
Hall
Butler

And one that’s a surprise. Really shouldn’t be losing much at Cintas in conference. No sleepy crowds outside of maybe DePaul, gtown but they suck so bad it won’t matter.

Wow, I need some of your kool-aid.

I would take 10-10 in conference and think that is a stretch. We better figure out another go to guy b/c everyone is going to key on Quincy. We also better start getting production from the Euro trio. They've really struggled the last few games.

[JTG]

That’s where I’m at. Will it happen? I dunno but I think it’s doable and what I have said for a while now.

Road wins:

DePaul
Gtown
Hall
Butler

And one that’s a surprise. Really shouldn’t be losing much at Cintas in conference. No sleepy crowds outside of maybe DePaul, gtown but they suck so bad it won’t matter.

Unless Butler falls off the map, we'll be big-time under dogs at their place. They are older, and replaced all those tall white pussies they had playing for them.

[X-band '01]

I'm sorry, but that last phrase made me laugh.

[Xville]

Unless Butler falls off the map, we'll be big-time under dogs at their place. They are older, and replaced all those tall white pussies they had playing for them.

Yeah. I have watched them a few times and think they are good, but I still see x beating them twice. I think x matches up with them really well.

[A Fan]

NIL is putting major pressure on ALL the Big East schools. I mean, what program isn't in a market saturated with other colleges reaching out to local big businesses for funding opportunities? Sports or otherwise? They are all smaller universities, except UCONN, DePaul, and Georgetown. So they have limited alumni base to shake down for even more cash. Big 10/SEC types will always have an advantage there moving forward.

A business can sign an athlete to endorse them or promote them on social media, but other avenues, like the Rhinegeist/Cincy Light beer sales for UC, will be key brand building choices across a consumer marketplace that doesn't care about funding a college kid's lifestyle, just because they enjoy sports teams playing well. I know XU has money coming in, but I'm not seeing that sort of presence in Cincinnati yet. Those beer sales are huge right now.

Universities are going to have to get cooperation from congress and the courts to put some sort of common sense guidelines for this, as it won't be helpful for a developing 18 year old to be worried whether they are clearing $100K or not, and getting to study hall on time.


Despite all of that, I think Sean Miller will have people around him to help him find athletes that can grow and win with teamwork. If NIL continues the way it is now, I bet the NCAA will split and the Big East won't be going with those bigger conferences. But college sports will continue and we'll find a way to make it fun and fill that talent pipeline.

Xavier opted to have a non profit cooperative to give their donors tax deductible contributions. The consequence is their cooperative cannot offer commercial opportunities to their team’s players. That limits the money inflow .

[Xavier]

With remaining BE schedule road games, how many of these could X really win?
Expectations of at least 5 away wins seems right to me.
Remaining home games X should expect to win 7 home.

I think 4 road wins and 7 at home. I don’t expect to beat creighton/Uconn/Marquette at home but I do think X steals one. 12-8 in conference. Which puts us kinda on the end of the bubble but won’t be enough.

[Xville]

I think 4 road wins and 7 at home. I don’t expect to beat creighton/Uconn/Marquette at home but I do think X steals one. 12-8 in conference. Which puts us kinda on the end of the bubble but won’t be enough.

I do wonder where that would place x? Right now the be is second in conference rpi, so pretty damn strong computer numbers. Probably out, but I think if something like that occurs, that’s some good momentum for next year. Of course, Will need to replace olivari but I’d feel pretty damn good for the near future of the program if x can grab at least 12 with this pretty young group.

[Final4]

Xavier opted to have a non profit cooperative to give their donors tax deductible contributions. The consequence is their cooperative cannot offer commercial opportunities to their team’s players. That limits the money inflow .

final2percent.com for those that might not be familiar with our cooperative.

[nuts4xu]

Xavier opted to have a non profit cooperative to give their donors tax deductible contributions. The consequence is their cooperative cannot offer commercial opportunities to their team’s players. That limits the money inflow .

That’s interesting, I did not know that.

[UCGRAD4X]

Xavier opted to have a non profit cooperative to give their donors tax deductible contributions. The consequence is their cooperative cannot offer commercial opportunities to their team’s players. That limits the money inflow .

That's the in-house Xavier sanctioned NIL platform. That does not necessarily restrict players from accepting other NIL opportunities.

[OTRMUSKIE]

If college sports is based on money then fuck college sports. When salary caps are being throw around then you have a major issue.

[bleedXblue]

If college sports is based on money then fuck college sports. When salary caps are being throw around then you have a major issue.

You had to figure that this was going to happen....just not this quickly. Its amazing to me that "people" want to win that badly that they throw huge money at recruits for the sake of out bidding the other guy. College sports are close to dead. At least whatever "purity" was left of them.....

[Xavier]

I do wonder where that would place x? Right now the be is second in conference rpi, so pretty damn strong computer numbers. Probably out, but I think if something like that occurs, that’s some good momentum for next year. Of course, Will need to replace olivari but I’d feel pretty damn good for the near future of the program if x can grab at least 12 with this pretty young group.

In all honesty if we only lost one buy game I think we’d be fine. Losing two puts X in such a hole. Especially with no great wins (yet). Will say, every year I think the bubble is awful. It’s really hard to miss the tournament if you’re a good team. I don’t have the research in front of me but seeing a lot of people say the committee looks more at who you beat than who you lost to. We have a lot of chances to get great wins.

[xavierj]

Not sure what mor’s point is since fau’s makeup is a mixture.

Regardless, I have faith in the ability of miller to fill the pipeline with what tools he has at his disposal. We have seen his ability and to question it now to me is kind of silly. Top 25-50 guys were already getting paid. Nothing has changed in that regard. The reality is that it is going to take him a couple of seasons. Steele effed up the roster, it’s going to take a bit to fix without an insane amount of nil money. Just give it time. Have you all seen green and swain? Those guys are going to be studs. Miller will be able to get that talent to x on a yearly basis. Just chill the f out.

I think his point was that they were not built off NIL. They have a couple of transfers that barely played at their previous stops. FAU is mostly home grown. San Diego State is the same as was UConn last year. People overthink NIL and Xavier has done well with the transfers they have brought in. Just have to develop and find a guy that fits what you need in the portal If you need someone. Xavier will be a preseason top 15 team next year if they return the core and add back in Zach and Jerome.

[xukeith]

I think his point was that they were not built off NIL. They have a couple of transfers that barely played at their previous stops. FAU is mostly home grown. San Diego State is the same as was UConn last year. People overthink NIL and Xavier has done well with the transfers they have brought in. Just have to develop and find a guy that fits what you need in the portal If you need someone. Xavier will be a preseason top 15 team next year if they return the core and add back in Zach and Jerome.

I think preseason top 15 is a little high.

This 2024 team would need to make it to BE finals this season and/or slide into NCAA tourney as a 8/9 seed probably to then get tons of hype for next season.
Maybe if Olivari got a 6th year of eligibility to play next year then maybe X will be top 25.

If X looks remarkably stronger in mid February - March then X could get lots of preseason hype for next season.

[X-band '01]

Don't think he'd get it. This already is his extra Covid year.

I know one season he got hurt, but played too many games to qualify for a medical redshirt.

[Xavier]

I haven’t heard anywhere that they are even trying to get another year for Q?

[94GRAD]

I haven’t heard anywhere that they are even trying to get another year for Q?

This is his Covid year. He will run out of eligibility after this season

[nickgyp]

If college sports is based on money then fuck college sports. When salary caps are being throw around then you have a major issue.

The money game of college athletics continues to escalate with no end in sight. Eventually, only a few will be able to pay in order to winning a national championship with all the others competing for something less. Maybe this isnÂ’t so different than in the past. I can appreciate Sean MillerÂ’s urging support for the NIL but how long can this go on? At some point, Xavier will hit a high water mark as other institutions access even greater piles of money.

There will still be Harvard-Yale rivalries with “Boola-boola” and all that which may only attract alums and a few others. A win by the alma- mater will suffice without much more. Is such a de-escalated state such a bad thing? In light of what we are witnessing today in college athletics, I would say it is not.

Happy New Year!

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

The money game of college athletics continues to escalate with no end in sight. Eventually, only a few will be able to pay in order to winning a national championship with all the others competing for something less. Maybe this isnÂ’t so different than in the past. I can appreciate Sean MillerÂ’s urging support for the NIL but how long can this go on? At some point, Xavier will hit a high water mark as other institutions access even greater piles of money.

There will still be Harvard-Yale rivalries with “Boola-boola” and all that which may only attract alums and a few others. A win by the alma- mater will suffice without much more. Is such a de-escalated state such a bad thing? In light of what we are witnessing today in college athletics, I would say it is not.

Happy New Year!

I'm with you here. It just doesn't seem to stop (or even let up) does it? Really interesting article on front page of this weekend's WSJ about recent spending at Auburn University. The article analyzed recent spending at Auburn and tried to identify where the money is going. First, Auburn spending, in general, has ballooned (absolutely ballooned) over the last ten years. Second, most of the increased spending is going to athletics (a huge proportion of it to football), athletic and student facilities, student amenities and non-educational staff. A tiny amount has gone to actual education---faculty, research, etc. Third, while spending has gone through the roof, not surprisingly, so has tuition, making Auburn one of the most expensive public universities in the country. Finally, although Auburn is a public university, the article pointed out that Auburn's administration was very uncooperative with the Journal's investigation, refusing meetings or phone calls to address the article's questions. That lack of cooperation speaks volumes. Like they have something going on, to which they don't want to admit.

For those of you who give to charitable causes this time of year (or any time of year, really) there are a number of charity evaluators available. One of the first statistics published by those organizations rating the charity, is what proportion of donations goes to funding that charity's actual work and how much goes to marketing----to raise more funds. If you think about it, Auburn (which I believe is representative of most of higher education) is spending gobs trying to acquire students via spending on athletics, dorms, relocating and expanding a campus Starbucks at a cost of several million, etc. Little is spent on the actual mission, education. This may have a lot to do with why students graduate college without being able to write a coherent sentence, solve basic math problems or for an esteemed politician like AOC (an economics major at Boston U.) have zero comprehension of a simple concept like supply and demand.

I have no doubt that what is occurring at Auburn is happening everywhere, including Xavier. What you call the "money game of college athletics" is really the money game of higher education. Athletics is just a piece, although a burgeoning one at that, of the bigger issue. At some point, the cost of attending Auburn, Xavier, wherever, becomes such a burden, that, perhaps the whole game becomes unsustainable.

[Xavier]

I thought that was the whole point of Xavier pushing hard on basketball when they decided to commit to it. Thought it was to get enrollment up. I’m not sure where college athletics is going, and for that matter where college education is either. It’s a messed up system.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

Where I was headed but forgot to write, is that if basketball is the "front porch" of Xavier, as I think we all agree, it is, we cannot afford to fall to the depths of a DePaul or Georgetown. Xavier has a huge investment in facilities, coaches, etc. We must have the talent to compete in the Big East and nationally as well. I don't think we have it this year. Hopefully, we acquire what we need to keep this program near the top. It is an "arms race" so to speak but one, right now, we cannot afford to lose.

[Masterofreality]

It’s now about money more than ever.
Contribute what you can! It’s not gonna end.

[xu82]

I thought that was the whole point of Xavier pushing hard on basketball when they decided to commit to it. Thought it was to get enrollment up. I’m not sure where college athletics is going, and for that matter where college education is either. It’s a messed up system.

Somewhere everything changed. I’ve read articles about schools adding amenities to make campuses more attractive to increase applications. I’m too lazy to look them up now, but it sounds like the emphasis is sliding away from academic's (in some places in some ways) to a bit more who can create the most attractive resort style experience.

[bjf123]

At some point, the tuition bubble has to burst and people will stop paying, or borrowing to pay for, the outlandish costs. It might take a decade, but I really think it will happen.


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[GoMuskies]

It’s now about money more than ever.
Contribute what you can! It’s not gonna end.

I'm not giving a dime. If Xavier can't compete due to money, so be it. Just have to be a regular ole university.

[Xville]

I'm not giving a dime. If Xavier can't compete due to money, so be it. Just have to be a regular ole university.

Me neither. If people have the disposable income to give money to a college player by all means go for it, but I give my money to what I believe are way more important causes

[drudy23]

Somewhere everything changed. I’ve read articles about schools adding amenities to make campuses more attractive to increase applications. I’m too lazy to look them up now, but it sounds like the emphasis is sliding away from academic's (in some places in some ways) to a bit more who can create the most attractive resort style experience.

Pretty much.

Colleges are selling the experience more than the academics, and kids are eating it up.

As I mentioned earlier, if I was independently wealthy, I would donate because it would get me some good perks, but for the average person, who's giving money for it? Schools are going to have to find a way to fund this themselves, especially in small markets.

People said they wanted college athletes paid. Fine, but it changes things. Be careful what you wish for.

[MHettel]

Pretty much.

Colleges are selling the experience more than the academics, and kids are eating it up.

As I mentioned earlier, if I was independently wealthy, I would donate because it would get me some good perks, but for the average person, who's giving money for it? Schools are going to have to find a way to fund this themselves, especially in small markets.

People said they wanted college athletes paid. Fine, but it changes things. Be careful what you wish for.

I think the ironic part is that college costs HAVE increased dramatically due to all the discussed reasons. And as a result, I've got 3 kids either already in college or on the verge of it and they are getting ALL of my money anyway. Then they ask for more? They already have it!

[drudy23]

I think the ironic part is that college costs HAVE increased dramatically due to all the discussed reasons. And as a result, I've got 3 kids either already in college or on the verge of it and they are getting ALL of my money anyway. Then they ask for more? They already have it!

In addition to people that are shelling out decent money for season tickets, and with a likely increase coming next year to pay for Cintas upgrades.

Now we have to pay for the talent too? I understand going after the big donors, every school has to, but at some point, this collective being spear-headed by the fans is going to die. It's just not sustainable.

Honest question - could this lead to the elimination of some sports to off-set NIL costs?

[MHettel]

In addition to people that are shelling out decent money for season tickets, and with a likely increase coming next year to pay for Cintas upgrades.

Now we have to pay for the talent too? I understand going after the big donors, every school has to, but at some point, this collective being spear-headed by the fans is going to die. It's just not sustainable.

Honest question - could this lead to the elimination of some sports to off-set NIL costs?

How about this scenario- Pay the mens players with NIL money. In addition to whatver NIL money they would get, give them additional NIL money to cover tuition. So they pay their own tuition. No mens scholarships. Therefore, no womens scholarshis.

Net savings.

Sounds terrible, but you KNOW someone somehwere is working on it....

[Xville]

Schools just need to be able to directly pay players. Just Build it into the price of the ticket, like a 10 dollar “ service fee”

10 dollars x 10k attendance x 15 home games

1.5 million on annual basis. Add in some money from the very wealthy people and done.

I know there is a lot of legalize to get thru before this becomes reality but my guess is the nil thing doesn’t last and this is what will happen eventually or some form of it.

[drudy23]

How about this scenario- Pay the mens players with NIL money. In addition to whatver NIL money they would get, give them additional NIL money to cover tuition. So they pay their own tuition. No mens scholarships. Therefore, no womens scholarshis.

Net savings.

Sounds terrible, but you KNOW someone somehwere is working on it....

Is it even worth it to doom the women's program (even though it seems pretty doomed already) from a league perspective? Seems the Big East might not like that very much. But honestly, it's not much different than what they have now.

[drudy23]

Schools just need to be able to directly pay players. Just Build it into the price of the ticket, like a 10 dollar “ service fee”

10 dollars x 10k attendance x 15 home games

1.5 million on annual basis. Add in some money from the very wealthy people and done.

I know there is a lot of legalize to get thru before this becomes reality but my guess is the nil thing doesn’t last and this is what will happen eventually or some form of it.

Easiest solution if it's allowed, but also filled with questions. Would venture to guess the tax man would be involved at some point. As well as employee/contractor laws. I would think the school would never want them to be "employees".

Are there any other programs that could command NIL money? For example, does the best baseball player and best women's soccer player have a market too at a place like Xavier?

[GoMuskies]

Are there any other programs that could command NIL money?

Absolutely. My daughter just joined her NIL collective on a very successful team at the division 1 level. Her current expected take: $6.15/month. She's gonna be rich!

I'm pretty sure similar NIL money would be available for all manner of non-revenue sports athletes at Xavier.

[UCGRAD4X]

Schools just need to be able to directly pay players. Just Build it into the price of the ticket, like a 10 dollar “ service fee”

10 dollars x 10k attendance x 15 home games

1.5 million on annual basis. Add in some money from the very wealthy people and done.

I know there is a lot of legalize to get thru before this becomes reality but my guess is the nil thing doesn’t last and this is what will happen eventually or some form of it.

I would have to seriously consider not renewing.

[bleedXblue]

I would have to seriously consider not renewing.

For an extra $150.00 a year per ticket? To keep or position your team to be competitive and recruiting top tier players?

[UCGRAD4X]

For an extra $150.00 a year per ticket? To keep or position your team to be competitive and recruiting top tier players?

Then what happens the following year when it's still not enough because the arms race accelerates?

[JTG]

How about this scenario- Pay the mens players with NIL money. In addition to whatver NIL money they would get, give them additional NIL money to cover tuition. So they pay their own tuition. No mens scholarships. Therefore, no womens scholarshis.

Net savings.

Sounds terrible, but you KNOW someone somehwere is working on it....

This was kind of the idea behind the non-scholarship football plan. The 50-60 guys on the team would pay their own way, probably at a reduced rate, in effect having a no net cost sport.

[bleedXblue]

Then what happens the following year when it's still not enough because the arms race accelerates?

Sure its possible but I don think it will go that far that fast. And yes, at some point fans will start to drop if the prices get too high. I wish there was a cap in all of this but the cat is already out of the bag on that issue Im afraid.

[Xuperman]

Why not just say "F it", and cover our uniforms with advertising..... go full blown NASCAR.

[XUGRAD80]

I would have to seriously consider not renewing.

How much is the average season ticket package these days? And what does that breakdown to on a per game basis? How much is a parking pass or is that included in a season ticket package?

[bjf123]

How much is the average season ticket package these days? And what does that breakdown to on a per game basis? How much is a parking pass or is that included in a season ticket package?

I’d have to look up how much my season tickets were when I get home. Parking is all about how much you give. The more you give, the closer to Cintas.


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[Xville]

I know one part of 200 section is right around the 500 dollar mark. Of course, those are the cheap seats. Still a ton of value for that many games though. If I lived closer I’d grab them in a heartbeat.

[bleedXblue]

Lower level and first 4-6 rows of upper level pay varying amounts of seat license fee's along with the price of each ticket. Obviously the closer to the court, the more $$ you are paying. I have upper level seats, don't pay a seat license and each ticket (for the year) is only $250.00. A complete steal IMHO for the quality of the product and the entire fan experience. I think Xavier does an incredible job. Yes, I would pay a extra $150.00 to keep us competitive and vying for the top recruits each and every year.

If I had to guess the "average ticket price" (including seat license fee's) is near $1,000 per seat if not higher.

[Xville]

Dang I didn’t know there were still seats at 250 for that whole season. That’s insanely cheap in today’s climate.

[bleedXblue]

Dang I didn’t know there were still seats at 250 for that whole season. That’s insanely cheap in today’s climate.

yep, goes up to $300.00 next year......still a great value My seats are in sec 201 right below the craft beer offerings

[Xville]

yep, goes up to $300.00 next year......still a great value My seats are in sec 201 right below the craft beer offerings

Ah my buddies’ seats are close to you. I must have misunderstood him, as he has two tickets and said they cost 500, I just assumed that meant per seat but must have been total for his two. That’s crazy

[XUGRAD80]

yep, goes up to $300.00 next year......still a great value My seats are in sec 201 right below the craft beer offerings

A season ticket in the upper level at UC is more than that, and you have to be UCats member to buy them. Parking is $10 per game and up. UC football tickets are even more than basketball and for only 6 games. A tailgate spot for football is $500 a year.

Compared to others just in the area, X is pretty inexpensive. I wonder how X prices compare the rest of the BE?

I don’t see why anyone would complain if they raised tickets by $10 per game to help fund the NIL. Would raise right at 1.5 Million a year. I’m pretty sure that they would be easily able to replace anyone that might drop out.

[Final4]

A season ticket in the upper level at UC is more than that, and you have to be UCats member to buy them. Parking is $10 per game and up. UC football tickets are even more than basketball and for only 6 games. A tailgate spot for football is $500 a year.

Compared to others just in the area, X is pretty inexpensive. I wonder how X prices compare the rest of the BE?

I don’t see why anyone would complain if they raised tickets by $10 per game to help fund the NIL. Would raise right at 1.5 Million a year. I’m pretty sure that they would be easily able to replace anyone that might drop out.

I may be confused, and probably am, but I thought NIL was a completely separate entity and not "attached" directly to a university. Specifically, they can't raise ticket prices to fund an NIL as NIL dollars are not directly paid to players by the university. NIL dollars are accumulated from outside (outside of the university) sources and then funneled to players through a variety of different methods. Is this not correct?

[Xville]

I may be confused, and probably am, but I thought NIL was a completely separate entity and not "attached" directly to a university. Specifically, they can't raise ticket prices to fund an NIL as NIL dollars are not directly paid to players by the university. NIL dollars are accumulated from outside (outside of the university) sources and then funneled to players through a variety of different methods. Is this not correct?

That’s correct. I just threw it up as a hypothetical when this nil thing is no longer viable. Personally, I don’t see nil lasting that long, I just don’t see it as a sustainable model. My guess is 5-10 years down the line, “nil” will just come straight from the schools’ and the legalize will all get figured out.

[bleedXblue]

That’s correct. I just threw it up as a hypothetical when this nil thing is no longer viable. Personally, I don’t see nil lasting that long, I just don’t see it as a sustainable model. My guess is 5-10 years down the line, “nil” will just come straight from the schools’ and the legalize will all get figured out.

Agreed on NIL going away at some point. The early assumption was that guys were going to be compensated for things like commercials, jersey sales etc, but it certainly doesn't feel like that's what's going on. Aren't guys simply getting $$ from "donors" and "alumni" based on their value or perceived value as a recruit or returning player who considering the move to another school or a move to play professionally?

[bjf123]

Season tickets for next year start at $300 per seat with no seat premium and go up to $1,500 plus a $6,000 seat premium for a floor seat.

Parking is based on total annual giving to athletics. Ticket prices don’t count towards this. $250 gets you in lots E or B/C4. $25,000 gets you right by the front doors to Cintas.


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[drudy23]

Season tickets for next year start at $300 per seat with no seat premium and go up to $1,500 plus a $6,000 seat premium for a floor seat.

Parking is based on total annual giving to athletics. Ticket prices don’t count towards this. $250 gets you in lots E or B/C4. $25,000 gets you right by the front doors to Cintas.


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Are the rates for next year posted anywhere?

[94GRAD]

Are the rates for next year posted anywhere?

https://goxavier.com/documents/2023/2/14/230214_Xavier_SeatSelectionGuide3.pdf