Other Big East Games

[D-West & PO-Z]

Just starting a thread for conversation around other BE games not involving X. Non conference and conference.

BE opened undefeated yesterday. Good start to avoid a bad early loss by anyone.

[noteggs]

Watching Georgetown playing some school called Le Moyne College? Guess it’s their first year in D1. Ironically they play Villanova in 3 days. Nothing like a Jesuit and Augustinian schools giving their brethren a baptism into the big league!

[muskiefan82]

DePaul. No words.

[MHettel]

DePaul. No words.

It was Purdue. They are really good.

[GoMuskies]

It was A Purdue, that's true.

[muskiefan82]

It was Purdue. They are really good.

Please tell me you're being sarcastic. IPFW is sorta Purdue, I guess

[MHettel]

Please tell me you're being sarcastic. IPFW is sorta Purdue, I guess

please tell me that YOU are being sarcastic.

[muskiefan82]

please tell me that YOU are being sarcastic.

This response actually made me laugh. Thank you. I think it is time to discuss Gonzaga for DePaul.

[bobbiemcgee]

DePaul. No words.

They drew 931

[muskiefan82]

They drew 931

Wow. Wonder how many were IPFW fans?

[X-band '01]

They drew 931

Box score says 2,940 ; did they have under 1000 actually bother to show up?

[bobbiemcgee]

ESPN said 931 either way awful

[muskiefan82]

Oh Ed, what have you done? Gtown goes full DePaul against kenpom 330+ holy cross.

[GoMuskies]

I want St. John's to do well, but cheering FOR Pitino will be weird.

[Xville]

I want St. John's to do well, but cheering FOR Pitino will be weird.

I’m not sure they are going to be all that good this year. Outside of Soriano, they have mid major talent. It’s enough to win some games here and there and obviously pitino is one hell of a coach but I thought the prognostications of them being a top 5 be team were a bit odd.

[X-band '01]

Johnnies are getting their asses kicked on national TV. No bueno

[KabeX]

Nova down 6 to Penn under 2 to go?

[KabeX]

Nova goes down to the Quakers. I know I should have wanted Nova to pull it out but ...

[noteggs]

Maybe there is something to this Neptune thing

[Xavgrad08]

Maybe there is something to this Neptune thing
If Neptune misses the tournament his seat will be on fire. Lots of basketball to be played, but Neptune not inspiring confidence among Villanova fans.

[X-band '01]

I don't know whether to laugh or cry if Kim English/Providence in Year 1 outperforms Kyle Neptune/Villanova.

[GoMuskies]

Seems like he's going to do far better than Cooley will at Georgetown this year.

I bet Steve Stricker has a serious case of the sadz right now.

[Three Point Pete]

So UConn is up 80-46 2nd half. They were -45.5 odds.

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[drudy23]

Newsflash - Marquette still really good. Kolek still controls everything.

[Three Point Pete]

Final UConn didn't cover, only won 87-53. Many happy Miss Valley State bettors are cashing in.[emoji2]

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[X-band '01]

Newsflash - Marquette still really good. Kolek still controls everything.

Wasn't sure he would play initially - he got hurt in their last game and was a gametime decision tonight.

[Xville]

Good to see providence and Marquette play well today.

With the remaining games, I think that should guarantee at least a tie in the last year of the gavitt games

[Smails]

We need to take care of as much business as possible against anyone not called Creighton, Marquette and UConn. It's early, but those 3 teams look ridiculously good. There are going to be some serious wars at the top of this conference this year.

[Xville]

We need to take care of as much business as possible against anyone not called Creighton, Marquette and UConn. It's early, but those 3 teams look ridiculously good. There are going to be some serious wars at the top of this conference this year.

Couldn’t agree more. It’s early but I see the big East in tiers:

UConn, Marquette and creighton at the top.
I think right behind them is x, providence, nova
Butler, St. John’s and hall in the next group
Gtown, DePaul at the bottom.

Although MOR tried to tell us that butler was losing everyone and not bringing anyone in, I think they are actually going to be pretty solid. Probably a bubble team imo.

[JTG]

Butler is winning by big margins, and Posh Alexander, who transferred from the Johnnies is lighting it up.

[Xville]

Butler is winning by big margins, and Posh Alexander, who transferred from the Johnnies is lighting it up.

Yep. I’ll be interested to see how they do against Michigan state. That should be a good barometer on where they should be this year

[Masterofreality]

Nice sweep of all 3 last night!

[drudy23]

Couldn’t agree more. It’s early but I see the big East in tiers:

UConn, Marquette and creighton at the top.
I think right behind them is x, providence, nova
Butler, St. John’s and hall in the next group
Gtown, DePaul at the bottom.

Although MOR tried to tell us that butler was losing everyone and not bringing anyone in, I think they are actually going to be pretty solid. Probably a bubble team imo.

GTown will win more games just from an elevated coach. They won't be a threat to win the league, but Cooley will get far more out of them than the big fella did. They will be a much tougher game this year.

I think.

The coaches in this league are just as valuable as the elevated talent.

[UCGRAD4X]

How did DePuke do?

[94GRAD]

How did DePuke do?

Win and cover

[X-band '01]

Butler is winning by big margins, and Posh Alexander, who transferred from the Johnnies is lighting it up.


Yep. I’ll be interested to see how they do against Michigan state. That should be a good barometer on where they should be this year

Their next 5 games will be telling with Sparty, 3 games in the ESPN/Orlando Invitational and Texas Tech at home. One bad stretch there and Thad Matta may start thinking about the AD position that will open up once Barry Collier retires.

[Three Point Pete]

GTown down 6 to Rutgers at the half. Rutgers has a Kurt Rambis-looking freshman who is fun to watch.

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[xukeith]

Per kenpom this morning BE (3rd)is now ahead of B10(4th) in conference rankings.

[X-band '01]

Take that with a huge grain of salt - there's going to be preseason bias for about another month until KenPom is completely based on this season's stats.

[paulxu]

Good lord. Dayton beats St Johns.

[Three Point Pete]

Flyers beat Johnnie's in Charleston Shriners, 88-81.
Dayton looks like a NCAA tournament team.
Coaches couldn't control their troops. Soriano fouled out, Ledlum with 4 fouls. Dayton player ejected with 2 technicals.

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[X-band '01]

Good lord. Dayton without Malachi Smith beats St Johns.

Fixed that for you. It's like Mike Anderson and Chris Mullin never left Queens.

[Xville]

St. John’s isn’t very good at all. They have Soriano and that’s about it. Pitino shouldn’t have ran off some of the players he did.

I know it’s blasphemous but I kind of like that Dayton team. Santos is a gamer and Holmes is probably a draft pick. Most likely they play houston tomorrow. That should be interesting on multiple levels.

[X-band '01]

St. John’s isn’t very good at all. They have Soriano and that’s about it. Pitino shouldn’t have ran off some of the players he did.

I know it’s blasphemous but I kind of like that Dayton team. Santos is a gamer and Holmes is probably a draft pick. Most likely they play houston tomorrow. That should be interesting on multiple levels.

And this Santos is actually a legit college athlete!

[GoMuskies]

St. John’s isn’t very good at all. They have Soriano and that’s about it. Pitino shouldn’t have ran off some of the players he did.

I know it’s blasphemous but I kind of like that Dayton team. Santos is a gamer and Holmes is probably a draft pick. Most likely they play houston tomorrow. That should be interesting on multiple levels.

Pitino's first teams usually aren't that good. His second year tends to be when his teams start to shine.

[Xville]

Not a great day for the big East so far. Hopefully nova and x change that up.

Noah carter for providence was way too selfish at the end of regulation

[KabeX]

Is Maryland that bad or is Nova channeling their inner vengeance after losing to Penn? Nova up 22 late 1st half

[Xavgrad08]

Nova up by 20 in the first half. Maryland looks awful on offense.

[noteggs]

Do you mean Devin Carter? Providence has a lot of talent. English seems to know what he is doing. Butler game reminded me of X and Purdue game. Played competitively, but last 5 minutes kinda got away. Think both Butler and Providence are going to be tough games for us this year.

[noteggs]

Maryland did lose last two games to Davidson and UAB. So I’m going to guess, not that good…

[Masterofreality]

It appears that Butler is not that good.

[noteggs]

Nova hasn’t made a field goal in last 9 minutes. However, still up by 28. Guess that answers questions on Maryland.

[KabeX]

Nova hasn’t made a field goal in last 9 minutes. However, still up by 28. Guess that answers questions on Maryland.
Yup

[bigdiggins]

Shaheen Holloway is a clown.

[JTG]

Nova hasn’t made a field goal in last 9 minutes. However, still up by 28. Guess that answers questions on Maryland.

The Athletic has a long article about what a disaster and failure adding Rutgers and Maryland to the BIG has been. Maryland not as much, but not much positive. And Rutgers a financial disaster whose Ath Dept is $250 million in debt.

[UCGRAD4X]

It appears that Butler is not that good.

I just had to bump this to make sure everyone was aware.

[UCGRAD4X]

The Athletic has a long article about what a disaster and failure adding Rutgers and Maryland to the BIG has been. Maryland not as much, but not much positive. And Rutgers a financial disaster whose Ath Dept is $250 million in debt.

Although the Terps did take the Skunkbears to the end on the gridiron.

[Xuperman]

It appears that Butler is not that good.

Hopefully this is 1000% accurate after a Musketeers sweep!

[xukeith]

Surprise DePaul and Georgetown are both losing in 2nd half of weak competittiion.

[Xville]

In case anyone thought it changed, nope gtown still sucks

[Xuperman]

In case anyone thought it changed, nope gtown still sucks

Hopefully that is1000% accurate after a Musketeers sweep!

[Three Point Pete]

Marquette beats Kansas 73-59, holding Jayhawks to 40% field goal shooting and forcing 18 TOs.

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[XUGRAD80]

When I did my preseason prediction for Xavier’s overall and Big East record at the end of the season, I predicted that Marquette would sweep. I haven’t seen anything to change my mind on that. They look really good. With Marquette, UConn, and Creighton all in the top 10, and Nova hovering around a top 25 ranking, the top of the conference is stacked. Xavier, SH, Prov, will be fighting it out for spots in the upper half of the conference, but not for the championship…….this year. But X is building a very solid group of players that will be very competitive come next year and for years after that. Just have to get through this year.

[xukeith]

Marquette looked very good last night. I have to give Shaka Smart props for having a highly skilled team with only 1 or 2 transfers. They are fast and will battle it out with UConn barring any injuries.

[bleedXblue]

BE this year will be the best conference in college bball and I don think it will be particularly close. Top 3 teams are already set. The next 3-4 will be solid night in and night out. SH, Prov, X and St Johns.

[XUGRAD80]

BE this year will be the best conference in college bball and I don think it will be particularly close. Top 3 teams are already set. The next 3-4 will be solid night in and night out. SH, Prov, X and St Johns.

Have to put Nova in there somewhere….top 3/4? Or next group with X and the rest?

[Xville]

Yeah I’d put nova, x and providence in the second tier. Personally I think St. John’s, hall are a tier below.

[Three Point Pete]

Purdue beat Marquette 78-75 and will be #1 after Kansas lost yesterday

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[X-band '01]

A half-court three by Purdue to end the 1st half was the difference. Yet Marquette nearly came back in the 2nd half.

[Three Point Pete]

Blessed Thanksgiving to everyone! Nova and UNC going to overtime.

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[X-band '01]

Creighton should pretend today never happened.

[paulxu]

Good on ya Nova.

[bleedXblue]

Have to put Nova in there somewhere….top 3/4? Or next group with X and the rest?

Yes they slide in at 3 or 4.

Creighton result really surprised me but I think they will be fine.

Top spot will be a battle b/w Marq and Uconn.

Right now this is where the league is IMHO:

1. UCONN
2. Marq
3. Nova
4. Creighton
5. Prov
6. X
7. St Johns
8. Butler
9. Seton Hall
10. Georgetown
11. DePaul

[UCGRAD4X]

Nova held Memphis to 16 in the 1st 1/2.

[Xville]

Yes they slide in at 3 or 4.

Creighton result really surprised me but I think they will be fine.

Top spot will be a battle b/w Marq and Uconn.

Right now this is where the league is IMHO:

1. UCONN
2. Marq
3. Nova
4. Creighton
5. Prov
6. X
7. St Johns
8. Butler
9. Seton Hall
10. Georgetown
11. DePaul


I don’t think you are giving x enough credit. I think creighton is overrated by a lot of the national pundits imo. Lose Kaluma and nembhard and somehow the national people think they will be as good or better than last year? Makes zero sense. Colorado st is a really good team btw. I’d go:

1. UConn
2. Marquette
3. Nova
4. X
5. Creighton
6. Providence
7. Butler
8. St. John’s
9. Hall
10. Gtown
11. DePaul

[bleedXblue]

I don’t think you are giving x enough credit. I think creighton is overrated by a lot of the national pundits imo. Lose Kaluma and nembhard and somehow the national people think they will be as good or better than last year? Makes zero sense. Colorado st is a really good team btw. I’d go:

1. UConn
2. Marquette
3. Nova
4. X
5. Creighton
6. Providence
7. Butler
8. St. John’s
9. Hall
10. Gtown
11. DePaul

I understand some on Creighton but they also got a few solid transfers and 3 really good returning starters. They will be Top 5 in the league without any question IMHO.

Prov and X are very close right now. Our front court has HUGE question marks. Shooting, FT's and rebounding are not where they need to be. Stay solid on D and get some improvements in those areas and maybe we sneak into the 4 or 5 spot.

[Masterofreality]

DePaul is abjectly horrible again.
Stubblefield has zero idea about roster construction. None of those parts fit together.
Another dismal season there in the offing.

[IM4X]

Found it a bit strange that Lunardi - in his most recent NCAA Bracket (updated 11/28) - has X making it as one of the “last four in?“

Did he not see we lost to two teams not included in his most recent bracket?

https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/bracketology/ncaa-bracketology-2024-march-madness-men-field-predictions

[X-band '01]

So, does Villanova have to vacate its Battle 4 Atlantis title if they play Drexel for 5th place in the Big 5?

We have a blowout in progress in the Holy War. In the wrong direction.

[MHettel]

This year could be over for us well before March. The BE collectively has underperformed in the out of conference schedule. DePaul, GT and Butler are horrible. Prov, SJU and SHU look average. XU and Nova have disappointed. UConn, Marquette and Creighton look really tough. Way too much separation at the top. Very few chances to get quality wins this year vs last year especially.

I hope a quality 4th and 5th place team emerges this year. Those top 3 teams will play 6 times against each other. I can see a scenario where the 3 of them finish with 10 or less conference losses combined. Finishing 5th in the BE could be the same as finishing 2nd in a one bid league.

We need to win every home game not against the top 3 teams (7 wins), then 3 on the road against those same teams. Then we need to steal 2 of 6 against the top teams. That’s 12-8. That probably gets us in as a double digit seed. One more loss and it’s bubble city. .500 in the Big East this year won’t cut it.

[Xavgrad08]

So, does Villanova have to vacate its Battle 4 Atlantis title if they play Drexel for 5th place in the Big 5?

We have a blowout in progress in the Holy War. In the wrong direction.

Kyle Neptune might be the guy, but he might not be.

[Xville]

That st joes team must be pretty damn good. I know they have a bad l but they should have beat uk at rupp and handled nova easily

[Xville]

This year could be over for us well before March. The BE collectively has underperformed in the out of conference schedule. DePaul, GT and Butler are horrible. Prov, SJU and SHU look average. XU and Nova have disappointed. UConn, Marquette and Creighton look really tough. Way too much separation at the top. Very few chances to get quality wins this year vs last year especially.

I hope a quality 4th and 5th place team emerges this year. Those top 3 teams will play 6 times against each other. I can see a scenario where the 3 of them finish with 10 or less conference losses combined. Finishing 5th in the BE could be the same as finishing 2nd in a one bid league.

We need to win every home game not against the top 3 teams (7 wins), then 3 on the road against those same teams. Then we need to steal 2 of 6 against the top teams. That’s 12-8. That probably gets us in as a double digit seed. One more loss and it’s bubble city. .500 in the Big East this year won’t cut it.

Nova has disappointed? They lost to what I think is a good st joes team, and they just beat Texas tech, Memphis and unc. They’re fine.

Providence looks pretty good to me. They beat Wisconsin and only loss is to k state in ot.

It’s November.. let’s let the cake bake a bit

[JEHARDI]

Too early to be that negative. UNC pounding TN tonight. UVA making TX A&M look bad. Happens every night. SJU lost at KY in OT, they are a decent team.

[drudy23]

Georgetown - cmon man. Merrimack? Upset (I think) in the making.

[MHettel]

Too early to be that negative. UNC pounding TN tonight. UVA making TX A&M look bad. Happens every night. SJU lost at KY in OT, they are a decent team.

I’m not sure my comments are negative. I view them as realistic.

There are a lot of opportunities for bad losses this year in the Big East. So those become “must wins”.

And the good wins will be very hard to come by.

Just facts.

So our resume will just be a lot of ok and wins against the bad teams in a top heavy conference.

Of course the Houston and UC games still have to be played. If we will know those results soon enough.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Nova has disappointed? They lost to what I think is a good st joes team, and they just beat Texas tech, Memphis and unc. They’re fine.

Providence looks pretty good to me. They beat Wisconsin and only loss is to k state in ot.

It’s November.. let’s let the cake bake a bit

Agreed

[X-band '01]

Nova has disappointed? They lost to what I think is a good st joes team, and they just beat Texas tech, Memphis and unc. They’re fine.

Providence looks pretty good to me. They beat Wisconsin and only loss is to k state in ot.

It’s November.. let’s let the cake bake a bit

I looked it up - Saint Joe's had a loss at home to Texas A&M-Commerce. Another transitional team.


Georgetown - cmon man. Merrimack? Upset (I think) in the making.

Merrimack actually won the NEC last year, but couldn't go to the NCAAs because they finished their transition last year. Their loss was FDU's gain.

[MHettel]

Novas lost to Penn as well.

Bottom line is that Villanova NOW is not the same as Villanova from 3-4 years ago. Those teams dominated and won 2 NCs. This Nova team is decent...much the same way we are.

Bottom line is that the top 3 in the conference is pretty set. we need to be #1 or #2 in an 8 team conference at this point.

Maybe I underestimated Providence. Possibly SHU too. But the bad losses keep adding up for the BE.

[Xville]

Imo there is going to be a really solid middle that will allow x to win against good teams that will build the resume and I’m not saying x can’t beat UConn or Marquette at home. Anyways that middle includes nova, providence, creighton ( I don’t think they are at the level of UConn/marquette), hall, butler, maybe St. John’s. Now that group has different tiers to it, but just saying it’s a solid group. Right now, the be is the 2nd highest rated conference and will be sending around 6 teams to the dance. X will be one of them.

[bleedXblue]

Novas lost to Penn as well.

Bottom line is that Villanova NOW is not the same as Villanova from 3-4 years ago. Those teams dominated and won 2 NCs. This Nova team is decent...much the same way we are.

Bottom line is that the top 3 in the conference is pretty set. we need to be #1 or #2 in an 8 team conference at this point.

Maybe I underestimated Providence. Possibly SHU too. But the bad losses keep adding up for the BE.

St Joes is a tourney team. That's not a bad loss. The 15 point drubbing is what it is. Yes, Nova is not the same and that's not surprising when you lose a HOF coach. Agree the top 3 have separated themselves for sure and we knew that going into this year. Yes, would be great if 2-3 other teams emerged and positioned themselves well but that will be tough. I think Nova and Prov are 4 & 5 right now. The rest of the league is going to battle it out for bubble city.

[Xville]

I’m a little confused as to what some of you expected this team to look like in November/December. Ten new faces, a lot of freshmen playing a lot of minutes, international players etc. Miller has flat out said to wait a few months, and when a coach of that pedigree says something, it’s probably best to listen. This isn’t Steele talking.

X is probably going to get smoked tomorrow and it’s going to be an up and down season. With that said I still expect this team to make the tourney, and I expect next year and the following to be competing for be championships and high seeds/second weekends.

There seems to be a little bit of sky is falling and I don’t really understand it.

[bleedXblue]

I’m a little confused as to what some of you expected this team to look like in November/December. Ten new faces, a lot of freshmen playing a lot of minutes, international players etc. Miller has flat out said to wait a few months, and when a coach of that pedigree says something, it’s probably best to listen. This isn’t Steele talking.

X is probably going to get smoked tomorrow and it’s going to be an up and down season. With that said I still expect this team to make the tourney, and I expect next year and the following to be competing for be championships and high seeds/second weekends.

There seems to be a little bit of sky is falling and I don’t really understand it.

If you told me Hunter would return in late December and Freemantle in January, I would feel a little different. I don't see a lot of "sky is falling" commentary. More folks not seeing this team playing in March just b/c the coach said so. What is Sean supposed to say....LOL

[GoMuskies]

I think there's a good chance Xavier is pretty good by February but that it's way too late because of all the damage that will be done to the resume in November, December and January. Might be a tough out in MSG, but the A-10 autobid days are likely past, as you might have to beat Creighton, Marquette and UConn on consecutive nights to make that happen. And no team in the country is doing that.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Just please beat UC lmao.

[MHettel]

I think there's a good chance Xavier is pretty good by February but that it's way too late because of all the damage that will be done to the resume in November, December and January. Might be a tough out in MSG, but the A-10 autobid days are likely past, as you might have to beat Creighton, Marquette and UConn on consecutive nights to make that happen. And no team in the country is doing that.

My thinking here, too. I'm not sure if this team has already "gelled" and we're just gonna have an average year....or maybe we WILL still "gell" and greatly improve. But I need to start seeing some signs of that NOW, or it will be too late. period.

[drudy23]

We're running out of chances to get some good non-con wins. We need Houston and UC. Badly.

I have a good feeling about tomorrow night.

[American X]

How does a Final Four level #4 UConn v. #5 Kansas matchup end up on ESPN2 at 9pm on a Friday?

[X-band '01]

Because Friday is NBA night on the Mothership?

[Three Point Pete]

DePaul. No words.DePawful losing by20 at home vs Iowa State., early 2nd half.

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[paulxu]

Lots of unranked teams leading ranked ones at half time today.

And unranked Wisky beats #3 Marquette by 11.

[X-band '01]

Villanova just might go winless against the city of Philadelphia.

[Xville]

Yeah so for those who think x has no chance of beating the “ lop three” at home, Wisconsin just beat Marquette and northwestern beat Purdue last night. In other words, it’s hard to win on the road, no matter how good your team is.

[UCGRAD4X]

Yeah so for those who think x has no chance of beating the “ lop three” at home, Wisconsin just beat Marquette and northwestern beat Purdue last night. In other words, it’s hard to win on the road, no matter how good your team is.

Tell that to Oaklanad and Houston

[Three Point Pete]

Exciting game TCU at Georgetown. Hoyas fought hard, overcoming 15 point deficit to lose 84-83 on controversial last shot. Replay showed shooter's foot on sideline.

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[noteggs]

Gtown got hosed. But play on sideline was not reviewable

[Xavier]

Gtown got screwed there. I think the Big East is staring at a 4 bid league. Could see a 5th as play in game. But X has as good a chance as any of the rest to come in 4/5th. Down year overall.

[noteggs]

Think Devin Carter is one of the best two way players in the BE. Not judging but wish he would get a haircut because he is starting to remind me of Gallagher.

[Masterofreality]

Nova loses to Drexel.
The Big Beast preseason hype is being deflated rapidly.

[JTG]

Is Wisconsin not the whitest major college bball team? I tuned in to part of that game and thought I was watching some kind of 1940s UK team playing Marquette.

[American X]

Is Wisconsin not the whitest major college bball team? I tuned in to part of that game and thought I was watching some kind of 1940s UK team playing Marquette.

Downright terrifying:

https://media.balls.ie/uploads/2011/01/110111.181.jpg

[Three Point Pete]

Nova at Kansas State will be a good game, I don't see Nova losing 3 straight. But, it's gonna be a catfight, for sure[emoji16]

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[Xville]

Nova at Kansas State will be a good game, I don't see Nova losing 3 straight. But, it's gonna be a catfight, for sure[emoji16]

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:) I like it. Some very interesting matchup for the be tonight and chances to make a statement or two.

[GoMuskies]

Big East needs to pick it up tonight. Starting in Cintas, please!

[Xville]

Nova has had a very odd non-con

[GoMuskies]

Big XII slaughtered the Big East.

[X-band '01]

We have no more room to pile on the conference. X is the biggest offender now.

[xukeith]

This is the 8th consecutive year Creighton will likely finish in the top half of BE.

2-3 years ago Bluejays had several frosh and sophomores who ended up finishing 4th in BE.

It can be done without losing or looking horrible as frequent as X has so far this year.

[Xville]

This is the 8th consecutive year Creighton will likely finish in the top half of BE.

2-3 years ago Bluejays had several frosh and sophomores who ended up finishing 4th in BE.

It can be done without losing or looking horrible as frequent as X has so far this year.

Yes it can be done, but looking at that year, they almost lost twice to some really horrible teams in the non con. To their credit, they didn’t and ended up with an 8-3 non con record but they could have been 6-5. They were extremely inconsistent until February when they reeled off 6-7 straight in conference. My point in all of this is there is hope for this x team, but it’s going to take some time. It may end up not happening this year but I’m hopeful it will.

[Xville]

Texas is way overrated. Hell, they should have lost to Louisville but what Marquette is doing to them? Holy shit

[drudy23]

Texas is way overrated. Hell, they should have lost to Louisville but what Marquette is doing to them? Holy shit

Marquette is NCAA championship material. They CANNOT implode in the tourney this year.

I'm jealous of their team honestly. They are entertaining to watch.

[IM4X]

So maybe Texas is a little overrated.

If Marquette is up on the number 12 team in the country by 30 points with a few minutes to go, just how many points are we losing to them by this season?

[IM4X]

Marquette is NCAA championship material. They CANNOT implode in the tourney this year.

I'm jealous of their team honestly. They are entertaining to watch.

I can respect their balance of talent and good chemistry - and Kolek is one a heck of a player, but I will always dislike Marquette for ruining my son’s first BE Tournament experience at MSG (when they demolished us in the BE title game). I paid serious coin to get really good seats. Damn you Golden Eagles!

[Xville]

Marquette is NCAA championship material. They CANNOT implode in the tourney this year.

I'm jealous of their team honestly. They are entertaining to watch.

Maybe. A lot depends on their shooting which isn’t a great thing for the tourney. One bad night and it’s over. They are a damn good team though. I just think if they run into a tall/big group they would have an issue.

[noteggs]

DePaul is 8-14 on 3’s and you would think…

Down by 23. Actually a big improvement.

Please tell me we can beat these guys twice in conference play?

[CP05XU08CU13]

Marquette is NCAA championship material. They CANNOT implode in yhe tourney this year.

I'm jealous of their team honestly. They are entertaining to watch.

Why can we not recruit and develop talent like Marquette? Is Shaka a better coach than Sean? Is he better at player development? My fear is that Sean may have a hangover from his time at Arizona. It was a hell of a lot easier to recruit there than Xavier. He has his work cut out for him. In the age of NIL, selling Xavier and the Big East is going to be extremely tough. Moreover, Sean has to sell his program against Shaka, Pitino, and programs like Nova, UCONN and Georgetown. Xavier doesn’t have the athletic budget to compete with big football conference schools either so player development is going to be absolutely crucial to succeed. I hope I am wrong, but the team this year gives me an uneasy feeling about the future of the program.

[waggy]

Why can we not recruit and develop talent like Marquette? Is Shaka a better coach than Sean? Is he better at player development? My fear is that Sean may have a hangover from his time at Arizona. It was a hell of a lot easier to recruit there than Xavier. He has his work cut out for him. In the age of NIL, selling Xavier and the Big East is going to be extremely tough. Moreover, Sean has to sell his program against Shaka, Pitino, and programs like Nova, UCONN and Georgetown. Xavier doesn’t have the athletic budget to compete with big football conference schools either so player development is going to be absolutely crucial to succeed. I hope I am wrong, but the team this year gives me an uneasy feeling about the future of the program.

What a chickenshit post.

[GoMuskies]

Yes, Xavier REALLY needs to up its game to compete against a program that....checks notes...has won one less NCAA Tournament game in the entire Big East era than Xavier won LAST YEAR. Soooooo doomed because of friggin Marquette!

[GoMuskies]

I know people in Louisville are getting pretty psyched for the rumble between DePaul and the Cardinals on Saturday. Net 267 vs. 279 (DePaul's probably drops further after tonight). They're billing it as the Battle for Top 250. Stakes are HUGE.

[xukeith]

I know people in Louisville are getting pretty psyched for the rumble between DePaul and the Cardinals on Saturday. Net 267 vs. 279 (DePaul's probably drops further after tonight). They're billing it as the Battle for Top 250. Stakes are HUGE.

Not sure if it means anything but DePaul has played more challenging teams( 4-top 65 kenpom) vs. Louisville who has played against a ton of crappy teams (4 teams below 233 kenpom teams) .

[CP05XU08CU13]

Yes, Xavier REALLY needs to up its game to compete against a program that....checks notes...has won one less NCAA Tournament game in the entire Big East era than Xavier won LAST YEAR. Soooooo doomed because of friggin Marquette!

Not saying “doomed” per se, but Marquette and St. John’s are now viable competitors for recruiting purposes with Shaka and Pitino in the mix. The Big East is going to be a hard sell in the age of NIL so Sean is going to have to get creative to sell the program. Players will continue to shop their skills to the highest bidder unfortunately. Xavier does not have deep pockets like a lot of other schools. I still think Sean is a solid coach, but this team is currently playing like garbage.

[Xville]

DePaul just won the game of the century. I wonder when the parade is scheduled for?

[Three Point Pete]

Demons looked solid, shooting 51%.. Up by 19 early 2nd half, should have been a runaway, but they only won by 7.

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[X-band '01]

DePaul just won the game of the century. I wonder when the parade is scheduled for?

Tomorrow on Lower Wacker Drive

[American X]

DePaul just won the game of the century. I wonder when the parade is scheduled for?

On a school day, during nice weather...

https://imgs.search.brave.com/kn4WqYq-DceocYK0DmLCRTFSW3N6M2SYHmd1Te8ANII/rs:fit:860:0:0/g:ce/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWdp/eC5yYW5rZXIuY29t/L3VzZXJfbm9kZV9p/bWcvNTAwOTEvMTAw/MTgxNzczOC9vcmln/aW5hbC9vbi10aGUt/Zmlyc3QtZGF5LW9m/LWZpbG1pbmctdGhl/cmUtd2FzLWFuLWFj/dHVhbC1wYXJhZGUt/aGFwcGVuaW5nLXBo/b3RvLXUyP2F1dG89/Zm9ybWF0JnE9NjAm/Zml0PWNyb3AmZm09/cGpwZyZkcHI9MiZ3/PTY1MA

[Three Point Pete]

Nova beat UCLA at home.

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[X-band '01]

On a school day, during nice weather...

https://imgs.search.brave.com/kn4WqYq-DceocYK0DmLCRTFSW3N6M2SYHmd1Te8ANII/rs:fit:860:0:0/g:ce/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWdp/eC5yYW5rZXIuY29t/L3VzZXJfbm9kZV9p/bWcvNTAwOTEvMTAw/MTgxNzczOC9vcmln/aW5hbC9vbi10aGUt/Zmlyc3QtZGF5LW9m/LWZpbG1pbmctdGhl/cmUtd2FzLWFuLWFj/dHVhbC1wYXJhZGUt/aGFwcGVuaW5nLXBo/b3RvLXUyP2F1dG89/Zm9ybWF0JnE9NjAm/Zml0PWNyb3AmZm09/cGpwZyZkcHI9MiZ3/PTY1MA

Danke schoen

[94GRAD]

On a school day, during nice weather...

https://imgs.search.brave.com/kn4WqYq-DceocYK0DmLCRTFSW3N6M2SYHmd1Te8ANII/rs:fit:860:0:0/g:ce/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWdp/eC5yYW5rZXIuY29t/L3VzZXJfbm9kZV9p/bWcvNTAwOTEvMTAw/MTgxNzczOC9vcmln/aW5hbC9vbi10aGUt/Zmlyc3QtZGF5LW9m/LWZpbG1pbmctdGhl/cmUtd2FzLWFuLWFj/dHVhbC1wYXJhZGUt/aGFwcGVuaW5nLXBo/b3RvLXUyP2F1dG89/Zm9ybWF0JnE9NjAm/Zml0PWNyb3AmZm09/cGpwZyZkcHI9MiZ3/PTY1MA

Is that Abe Froman?

[Smails]

Nova beat UCLA at home.

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Anyone catch Mick's post game presser after that game? It was pure Cronin gold...he remains complete trash of a human being.

[Xville]

Anyone catch Mick's post game presser after that game? It was pure Cronin gold...he remains complete trash of a human being.

Is he going to rip their jerseys off?

[bleedXblue]

Anyone catch Mick's post game presser after that game? It was pure Cronin gold...he remains complete trash of a human being.

talk about a guy who has ZERO self awareness

[paulxu]

https://twitter.com/CBSSportsCBB/status/1733904859802329281

Edit: Burton had a double/double. No one on UCLA's team had 10 rebounds.

[X-band '01]

Anyone catch Mick's post game presser after that game? It was pure Cronin gold...he remains complete trash of a human being.

It was tame by Cronin standards. He's thankful as hell that he doesn't have to explain another Shootout loss.

[drudy23]

He's worse than Boeheim and that's saying something. Just a complete and total prick.

[X-band '01]

Boeheim was a bit nasal, but there was a comedic element to his behavior. Not so much for the Gnome.

[Three Point Pete]

Runnin Rebels rocked Jays! UNLV had 36 points in the paint and held Creighton to 41% shooting. Kalib Boone ate Kalkenbrenner's lunch going 12/17.

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[GoMuskies]

Creighton would come in last in the Mountain West.

[Masterofreality]

It was tame by Cronin standards. He's thankful as hell that he doesn't have to explain another Shootout loss.

We are now into the time period of “Cronin with his own players”.
Methinks we will be seeing no more Final 4’s from YTG.

[Three Point Pete]

Marquette 25 ppint home favorites, almost upset by St. Thomas. Golden Beagles needed to sink 8 late game free throws to sneak 84-79 win.

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[bleedXblue]

I think the talent level is flattening across the D1 game and I dont know why or if it good or bad for X

[noteggs]

Butler playing a D2 school on the eve of the BE schedule? Stacking up wins, I guess.

[muskiefan82]

Butler playing a D2 school on the eve of the BE schedule? Stacking up wins, I guess.

I thought those didn't count

[muskiefan82]

UConn goes out west and spanks Gonzaga. Very nice.

[noteggs]

I thought those didn't count

Actually they do in regular non con games. However, you normally don’t see P6 play them this time of year. You see some mid and mainly low-level teams play them to fill out their schedule (not a big fan of the labels). Think there has been about 2000 D2 vs D1 games played in regular season over the last 5 years.

[X-band '01]

Butler playing a D2 school on the eve of the BE schedule? Stacking up wins, I guess.


I thought those didn't count

They don't count in the NET, but the Selection Committee will absolutely take it into account if you lose a non-D1 game in the regular season. I think Tulsa was the last team to make the NCAA Tournament despite losing a non-D1 game in the regular season.

[Three Point Pete]

Bryce Hopkins 26 points leads Providence to victory vs. Sacred Heart 78-64.

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[Three Point Pete]

Hoyas beat Irish in exciting OT win 72-68

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[Masterofreality]

Hoyas beat Irish in exciting OT win 72-68

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Notre Dame is classically bad.

[webxu]

Notre Dame is classically bad.

And we lost to them.. .

[GoMuskies]

And we lost to them.. .

I must have slept through that one.

Oh, the secret scrimmage.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I think the talent level is flattening across the D1 game and I dont know why or if it good or bad for X

Impossible according to some ever since NIL.

[Xville]

Excited that the be conference season is here. The non-con is great and all but the conference slate is awesome. Two interesting games tonight. G-town at butler and Marquette at Providence. Lots of storylines to start the conference season off right.

[Xville]

Impossible according to some ever since NIL.

Right lol. If anything it’s the exact opposite effect of what some on here were/are fearing. It’s giving other teams a chance. With the transfer portal and nil, those 4 and 5 star guys aren’t waiting behind other 4 and 5 star guys… they are going where they can play right away. This is especially true on the football front but it’s starting to become a bit noticeable in bb as well.

[Xville]

1. I think Kim English has “it” and will be better than Cooley ever was.

2. A reminder that it’s extremely difficult to win on the road in conference.

[MHettel]

Impossible according to some ever since NIL.

Don’t pop the Champaign just yet. The whole thing is trembling.

The NIL is the Wild West. Players can basically transfer on a whim. The ACC is going to get tested real soon by FSU due to their playoff exclusion. The NCAA had proposed paying players. There is chat about some Football teams peeling off from the NCAA.

Coaches speak openly about their distain of the NIL.

You think this current environment is sustainable? It’s not. And when it’s all said and done, the rich will be richer. And the poor (and middle class) wont matter at all.

These are just the little quakes before the big one.

But you be you and declare victory on this now.

[xudash]

Don’t pop the Champaign just yet. The whole thing is trembling.

The NIL is the Wild West. Players can basically transfer on a whim. The ACC is going to get tested real soon by FSU due to their playoff exclusion. The NCAA had proposed paying players. There is chat about some Football teams peeling off from the NCAA.

Coaches speak openly about their distain of the NIL.

You think this current environment is sustainable? It’s not. And when it’s all said and done, the rich will be richer. And the poor (and middle class) wont matter at all.

These are just the little quakes before the big one.

But you be you and declare victory on this now.

This NIL PROBLEM/OPPORTUNITY can't be as severe for a hoops only school as it is for schools who want to maintain football at a high level. My reasoning: numbers. So many more mouths to feed when football is involved.

I agree with you that it is the Wild Wild West right now. I agree that it's going to evolve so that the landscape doesn't look the way it looks now.

I also have to concede that large state schools with their large student populations - of course, those students have to collectively care about sports - will have an advantage on the funding side.

However, with all that noted, we MAY be headed for a blessed good bubble as a member of the Big East IF the next media agreement fattens up nicely.

One other point, and it speaks directly to the last one: we are a Fox property. This grand "C7" experiment has worked rather brilliantly. The Big East would appear to be a brand worth protecting.

Notwithstanding all of that, by all means, keep the bottle of Dom in the frig for a while longer. It certainly is trembling, but I'm just offering that there may be a way through for Xavier, versus an uncontrollable, narrow path that leads us to the abyss.

[MHettel]

This NIL PROBLEM/OPPORTUNITY can't be as severe for a hoops only school as it is for schools who want to maintain football at a high level. My reasoning: numbers. So many more mouths to feed when football is involved.

I agree with you that it is the Wild Wild West right now. I agree that it's going to evolve so that the landscape doesn't look the way it looks now.

I also have to concede that large state schools with their large student populations - of course, those students have to collectively care about sports - will have an advantage on the funding side.

However, with all that noted, we MAY be headed for a blessed good bubble as a member of the Big East IF the next media agreement fattens up nicely.

One other point, and it speaks directly to the last one: we are a Fox property. This grand "C7" experiment has worked rather brilliantly. The Big East would appear to be a brand worth protecting.

Notwithstanding all of that, by all means, keep the bottle of Dom in the frig for a while longer. It certainly is trembling, but I'm just offering that there may be a way through for Xavier, versus an uncontrollable, narrow path that leads us to the abyss.

Fair enough.

Im not looking at this through an XU lens. I'm looking at a broader picture and while we may "survive" the fallout of all of this, many wont. And the beauty of the NCAA Tournament could be a relic in 5 years.

When starting quarterbacks of teams that still have a bowl game have already transferred to a new team for next year, i can declare anarchy.

this is what I said would happen. Its happening. This is the little wave before the Tsunami.

We cannot take cover. We cannot run away. We have no control. The Tsunami decides who survives.

Maybe your bottle of Dom will wash up on the shore of the little Island I hope to land on....

[Xville]

Don’t pop the Champaign just yet. The whole thing is trembling.

The NIL is the Wild West. Players can basically transfer on a whim. The ACC is going to get tested real soon by FSU due to their playoff exclusion. The NCAA had proposed paying players. There is chat about some Football teams peeling off from the NCAA.

Coaches speak openly about their distain of the NIL.

You think this current environment is sustainable? It’s not. And when it’s all said and done, the rich will be richer. And the poor (and middle class) wont matter at all.

These are just the little quakes before the big one.

But you be you and declare victory on this now.

Lots of fear based on little. We will see how it all shakes out but as of now all this has done is level a lot of the playing field. If you want some proof take a look at what Louisville and Mizzou are doing in recruiting/transfer portal. Not exactly the blue bloods of college football and both are cleaning up. That may be anecdotal but those are the facts we have along with the final four last year and what college basketball looked like in the non-con.if colleges directly pay players the logistics and minutiae are going to change, but don’t see how that creates a larger divide. Let’s be honest, it’s basically the schools paying them now anyways. There are only so many spots open on the basketball court and football field. 4 and 5 star guys aren’t going to sit and wait which is actually a good thing for schools that aren’t the blue bloods.


I could care less how millionaire coaches feel about nil. A bunch of complaining for the sake of complaining kind of like Florida state.just a bunch of whining and threatening to try to get a bigger piece of the acc pie. They aren’t going anywhere, until at least ‘36

[D-West & PO-Z]

It is amazing to me about how some coaches whining (most of whom are older and don't want to change) can be an argument for anyone against NIL.

There are plenty of arguments I could buy (not necessarily agree with but hear out) against NIL. Coaches whining is not one of them.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Don’t pop the Champaign just yet. The whole thing is trembling.

The NIL is the Wild West. Players can basically transfer on a whim. The ACC is going to get tested real soon by FSU due to their playoff exclusion. The NCAA had proposed paying players. There is chat about some Football teams peeling off from the NCAA.

Coaches speak openly about their distain of the NIL.

You think this current environment is sustainable? It’s not. And when it’s all said and done, the rich will be richer. And the poor (and middle class) wont matter at all.

These are just the little quakes before the big one.

But you be you and declare victory on this now.

There are a lot of moving parts and new things proposed that are well past/have nothing to do with NIL.

NIL has been around for 2.5 years now. It did not ruin college athletics like you predicted. It did not widen the gap of the haves and have nots as you predicted.

Might other things happen that ruin college athletics? Sure. The power 4 conferences splitting off and doing their own tournament or whatever, yep, that would ruin college basketball.

You complain a lot about the free one time transfer rule, which again has been around about 2.5 years and hasn't ruined college athletics, but that has nothing to do with the NIL rule. NIL did not allow players to transfer one time for free. It is a completely different rule.

I do think there are a lot of greedy, stupid people who run college athletics, who could ruin it by doing stupid things. It is those people and their decision making that scare me about the state of college athletics, not player being allowed to be paid for the name, image, and likeness.

[Xville]

There are a lot of moving parts and new things proposed that are well past/have nothing to do with NIL.

NIL has been around for 2.5 years now. It did not ruin college athletics like you predicted. It did not widen the gap of the haves and have nots as you predicted.

Might other things happen that ruin college athletics? Sure. The power 4 conferences splitting off and doing their own tournament or whatever, yep, that would ruin college basketball.

You complain a lot about the free one time transfer rule, which again has been around about 2.5 years and hasn't ruined college athletics, but that has nothing to do with the NIL rule. NIL did not allow players to transfer one time for free. It is a completely different rule.

I do think there are a lot of greedy, stupid people who run college athletics, who could ruin it by doing stupid things. It is those people and their decision making that scare me about the state of college athletics, not player being allowed to be paid for the name, image, and likeness.

You don’t understand. It’s moving the goal posts time since he was dead wrong about nil. Lol

[MHettel]

It is amazing to me about how some coaches whining (most of whom are older and don't want to change) can be an argument for anyone against NIL.

There are plenty of arguments I could buy (not necessarily agree with but hear out) against NIL. Coaches whining is not one of them.

you dont view the coaches as an important, powerful and influential constituent of college sports? You dont see how them speaking out against something could ultimately influence future decisions?

Is this really your view of the world? Its THAT hard to connect the dots on this?

[MHettel]

There are a lot of moving parts and new things proposed that are well past/have nothing to do with NIL.

NIL has been around for 2.5 years now. It did not ruin college athletics like you predicted. It did not widen the gap of the haves and have nots as you predicted.

Might other things happen that ruin college athletics? Sure. The power 4 conferences splitting off and doing their own tournament or whatever, yep, that would ruin college basketball.

You complain a lot about the free one time transfer rule, which again has been around about 2.5 years and hasn't ruined college athletics, but that has nothing to do with the NIL rule. NIL did not allow players to transfer one time for free. It is a completely different rule.

I do think there are a lot of greedy, stupid people who run college athletics, who could ruin it by doing stupid things. It is those people and their decision making that scare me about the state of college athletics, not player being allowed to be paid for the name, image, and likeness.

The NIl was the precursor to ALL of the things on the table now. That and the immediate transer rule / portal.

The "head in the sand" appraoch here is absolutely mind boggling. Nothing was ever going to happen overnight. What DOES happen overnight? It took Sears and JC Penny and KMart 15 years to meet their demise after internet commerce was introduced. Freaking Blockbuster held on for 15 years as well after teh writing was on the wall.

You keep saying "oh, its all a bunch of nothing" while its LITERALLY HAPPENING for all to see.

In a few years, the college landscape will be unrecognizable and it wont end well for MOST schools outside of maybe 50-75.

[Xville]

you dont view the coaches as an important, powerful and influential constituent of college sports? You dont see how them speaking out against something could ultimately influence future decisions?

Is this really your view of the world? Its THAT hard to connect the dots on this?

What major policy have college coaches influenced in the last 30 years that affects all college athletics ? The only thing is maybe their own pay. Otherwise, they have little influence on the way college sports are run. It’s above them.

[JTG]

Since College Football is ruling the landscape of college sports, I can see fooball splitting off on it's own. With it's own rules and regulations, and the NCAA still in charge of the other sports. And with players sitting out or transferring in football pre bowl games, maybe that will put an end to the proliferation of meaningless idiotic bowl games pitting 6-5 and or worse teams against each other. They are money losers for the schools, and a waste of time for the media and the public.

[MHettel]

Since College Football is ruling the landscape of college sports, I can see fooball splitting off on it's own. With it's own rules and regulations, and the NCAA still in charge of the other sports. And with players sitting out or transferring in football pre bowl games, maybe that will put an end to the proliferation of meaningless idiotic bowl games pitting 6-5 and or worse teams against each other. They are money losers for the schools, and a waste of time for the media and the public.

So, would you consider the lesser bowl games to be the equivalent of the NIT? Was it a waste of your time when XU won it 2 years ago?

Aside from that, lets just assume that Football breaks off. What else happens? Football doesnt break off and everything else just stays exactly the same. What if teams decide to pay players directly and then get rid of scholarships becasue the players can now just pay tuition. Do womens scholarships get cut now becasue there are so many fewer mens? You may say that is absurd, but is it? its ALL about money, and that could save a bunch And what about the other football schools that are not invited to break away? Just nothing? They just keep on playing as if nothing has happened?

Now, lets envision the ACC or Big 12 as a BBall only conference. They just keep their current member ship? The teams that brought football value are kept on for what reason exactly? Why wouldnt there be some M&A activity going on in this situation, with the BE in play as well? Without football, the current conferences make no sense....unless of course a few teams get left behind (Boston College, Wake, Duke are 3 easy candidates).

so much fallout will occur.

[bobbiemcgee]

Marq down 11 to Prov at the half.

[Xville]

Marq down 11 to Prov at the half.

Do you want to bet me a few million on what happens in the second half? :)

[D-West & PO-Z]

you dont view the coaches as an important, powerful and influential constituent of college sports? You dont see how them speaking out against something could ultimately influence future decisions?

Is this really your view of the world? Its THAT hard to connect the dots on this?

If we had to change the rules every time Dabo Swinney whined or Jim Boeheim, or Mick Cronin, the rules would changes every week, lmao.

[bobbiemcgee]

Do you want to bet me a few million on what happens in the second half? :)

Yeah 72-57

[MHettel]

Do you want to bet me a few million on what happens in the second half? :)

beat me to it!

[Xville]

Creighton was way overrated. You don’t lose kaluma and nembhard and get better. The preseason ranking of them was whack. Still a good team, but more top 25 then top 5-10.

[Xville]

Taped the hall vs UConn game and watched a bit this morning. Can’t believe the way hall pushed UConn around. It was a total beatdown and the score actually made it look better than it was.

Clingan was injured in the first half so of course that has some effect but still. Xavier better put their big boy pants on Saturday.

[drudy23]

Gonna need their big boy pants for the next 19-22 games.

[Three Point Pete]

Marq is kicking some GTown butt!

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[X-band '01]

Butler had plane issues getting to Providence today. They quickly fell behind 15-0 in the first 5 minutes.

And this is also the first game Butler is wearing gray jerseys. They're going to be quickly burned like Snuggies.

[bobbiemcgee]

Came back to lead by 3 with 10 sec . Thad should have fouled.

[GoMuskies]

No coming back for DePaul

[X-band '01]

Now hearing Donovan Clingan could be out 3-4 weeks for UConn. Possibly might be ready for the X-UConn game at Cintas on the 10th of January.

[Xville]

St. John’s playing a whole lot of zone against UConn tonight.

Can’t tell if UConn is just very average without clingan or if St. John’s has improved this much from a few games ago. Maybe both

[noteggs]

St. John’s playing a whole lot of zone against UConn tonight.

Can’t tell if UConn is just very average without clingan or if St. John’s has improved this much from a few games ago. Maybe both

Agree on both. Just shows how much you miss with all BE talent. We are down two.

[GoMuskies]

I don't think DePaul is good this year. FYI.

[Xville]

If hall can win at Providence, x certainly can.

[bjf123]

I don't think DePaul is good this year. FYI.

Who’d a thunk it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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[Xville]

Yikes just saw Bryce Hopkins tore his acl. Big blow to Providence. Good for x that x will be playing them pretty quickly after the injury but hate to see anyone get injured.

[GoMuskies]

I just saw that Joey Meyer died last week. Sad news for DePaul. Only 74.

[X-band '01]

Yikes just saw Bryce Hopkins tore his acl. Big blow to Providence. Good for x that x will be playing them pretty quickly after the injury but hate to see anyone get injured.

Seton Hall also beat Providence at the Amp last year. Not sure if it's matchups or if they just caught the Friars at the right time last year.

[X-band '01]

I just saw that Joey Meyer died last week. Sad news for DePaul. Only 74.

I remember he had a couple of Sweet 16 appearances in the 1980s after his father retired, although they later got vacated.

DePaul was really hit and miss until they joined the Big East.

[noteggs]

Two things from UConn and Butter game

1) Despite the loss, Butler will be a handful this year.

2) know we always talk about having a big bruising frontcourt, but small ball is not a bad way to go in the NBE. UConn played the last half with Karaban at the five. Of course we know what Jay did at Nova with this strategy. Since our frontcourt overall sucks, why not try?

[xukeith]

Is McKnight better than Butler's Posh Alexander?

Alexander seems more TO prone.

[MHettel]

Is McKnight better than Butler's Posh Alexander?

Alexander seems more TO prone.

Posh Alexander plays for Butler? What??

[Three Point Pete]

Yep, apparently Matta and Greg"foot was on the line" Oden picked up Posh Alexander and DJ Davis.
I think Davis from UC Irvine, I believe, is the best, and you can flop a coin for Dayvion or Posh.

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[profson]

Is McKnight better than Butler's Posh Alexander?

Alexander seems more TO prone.


They have similarity in size and build, attempts to penetrate the lane and defensive ability (with Alexander a bit better there). Alexander does not seem to have progressed much from freshman year. Neither is a great shooter but McNight is clearly better as a distributor and securing the ball. Both are excellent at stealing.

[X-band '01]

About the only returning player of note on St. John's roster was Joel Soriano - Pitino ran everyone off from last year. That's why Alexander went to Butler and Dylan Addae-Wusu wound up at Seton Hall. AJ Storr was the only other one I remember; he would up at Wisconsin.

[Three Point Pete]

Marquette had 30 off of turnovers and scored 75 points! But Hall scored 78 points: 53% FG, and 40% from downtown.
Mr. Kolek had only 5 points, and we have yet another crazy BE uoset.

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[xukeith]

I admit SH's Holloway has done a surprising job early in BE. SH had 22 turnovers and still won.

Marquette had a rough game

[Xville]

I admit SH's Holloway has done a surprising job early in BE. SH had 22 turnovers and still won.

Marquette had a rough game

He’s created a culture in a short amount of time and all 5 guys in the starting lineup are seniors.

Marquette and Creighton are both suspect to me.

[X-band '01]

Kinda amazing in that Xavier was the one game where Seton Hall was a no-show. They must have been in a hurry to get to Christmas Break.

Was also relieved that UConn didn't wet the bed at Butler. Don't need them coming in angry Wednesday night.

[noteggs]

Kinda amazing in that Xavier was the one game where Seton Hall was a no-show. They must have been in a hurry to get to Christmas Break.

Was also relieved that UConn didn't wet the bed at Butler. Don't need them coming in angry Wednesday night.

Definitely thought same on UConn game. But with the way the BE season is going who knows..

[Xville]

Two things from UConn and Butter game

1) Despite the loss, Butler will be a handful this year.

2) know we always talk about having a big bruising frontcourt, but small ball is not a bad way to go in the NBE. UConn played the last half with Karaban at the five. Of course we know what Jay did at Nova with this strategy. Since our frontcourt overall sucks, why not try?


Can't be true. MOR told us all that Butler lost everyone and had picked up no one in the portal.

[xavierj]

Can't be true. MOR told us all that Butler lost everyone and had picked up no one in the portal.

Butler is much improved but they still are 1-3 in conference play and staring at 1-4 with their next game at Marquette. They beat Georgetown and lost their other three games by an average of 11 a game. Now they have had a tough slate to start conference play but They have a ton of work to do if they want to make the Tourney. They have shown though that you don’t to have to have a ton of NIL resources to put together a team through the transfer portal but rather find guys that fit what you need. They didn’t land a single transfer that was rated in the top 150 of the portal.

[Xville]

Butler is much improved but they still are 1-3 in conference play and staring at 1-4 with their next game at Marquette. They beat Georgetown and lost their other three games by an average of 11 a game. Now they have had a tough slate to start conference play but They have a ton of work to do if they want to make the Tourney. They have shown though that you don’t to have to have a ton of NIL resources to put together a team through the transfer portal but rather find guys that fit what you need. They didn’t land a single transfer that was rated in the top 150 of the portal.


Yeah they have a bit of work to do. They don't have any big wins (though maybe TExas Teach will turn out to be one) but they have won all the games they were supposed to win. They continue to do that, they probably make the tournament.

[X-band '01]

Butler did go overtime before losing at Providence. And then there's the loss at home against UConn. Xavier's going to have the exact same duo this week, so we'll at least have more of an apples-to-apples comparison to Butler at the end of the week.

At least the Bulldogs beat Cal at home - something Mick Cronin couldn't pull off.

[Three Point Pete]

Providence missed 10 free throws and could not get a road win. St.J wins 75-73, now 4-1 to lead BE.

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[Xville]

Butler taking it to Marquette currently. Marquette has issues

[Three Point Pete]

Butler wins 69-62 on the road.
Kolek disappeared again, shot 1/12. I believe 7 points in past 2 games

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[X-band '01]

Marquette shot 5 for 31 from behind the arc. Travis Steele would have been proud of that shooting exhibition.

They've also got injury issues now - Chase Ross had a shoulder injury against Seton Hall and Sean Jones (not Kam Jones) may have blown out his knee against Butler. And that's not even getting into Kolek going into a slump.

[Xuperman]

Marquette shot 5 for 31 from behind the arc. Travis Steele would have been proud of that shooting exhibition.

They've also got injury issues now - Chase Ross had a shoulder injury against Seton Hall and Sean Jones (not Kam Jones) may have blown out his knee against Butler. And that's not even getting into Kolek going into a slump.

Kolek could be the most overrated POY in the new BE. He literally can only "go left"....it is remarkable to watch. His facilitating skills are not a part of this critique.... obviously.

[GoMuskies]

Defending national champs UConn are now ranked #1. I guess it was probably a good idea to bring them back into the Big East.

[UCGRAD4X]

Defending national champs UConn are now ranked #1. I guess it was probably a good idea to bring them back into the Big East.

How much did joining the Big East help them reach this level? I guess it doesn't really matter. Just asking for a friend.

[GoMuskies]

Given that Hurley couldn't get them anywhere near this level until they joined the Big East, I'd say the impact was enormous for their program. If they were in the AAC, they'd probably be FAU's bitches.

[bobbiemcgee]

SJ getting smoked. Patino has covid.

[X-band '01]

St. John's and Seton Hall were tied at 24 late in the 1st half. Then the Pirates opened the floodgates with a 28-0 run.

[Three Point Pete]

UConn is taking Creighton to the woodshed. Up 20 early 2nd half. Huskies even better when Clingan plays.

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[bjf123]

Creighton has scored 7 points in 11 minutes in the second half.


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[X-band '01]

They would have still blown out DePaul tonight. They look like they might make a serious run at 0-21.

[noteggs]

Totally get your point, but why do I always get concerned facing DePaul? Traveritist?

[X-band '01]

Which is why I'm borderline terrified of Xavier hosting what amounts to a buy game on Friday. These are the games Xavier has screwed up the most this year.

[bjf123]

Totally get your point, but why do I always get concerned facing DePaul? Traveritist?


Which is why I'm borderline terrified of Xavier hosting what amounts to a buy game on Friday. These are the games Xavier has screwed up the most this year.

Glad to know I’m not the only one concerned about these games.


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[Xuperman]

Creighton has scored 7 points in 11 minutes in the second half.


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Due to some of the most stifling defense you'll see. That is a complete team.

[Xuperman]

Glad to know I’m not the only one concerned about these games.


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It would be really interesting if you guys can post some of those concerns.

[Three Point Pete]

Due to some of the most stifling defense you'll see. That is a complete team.And Stephon Castle is the real deal. I can see UConn repeating as Nat Champs.

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[Xuperman]

Ok,
I will post my concerns.

It is 100% based on our roster with so little Big East in conference experience. The necessary wins to get where we want to go, is loaded with hardened, experienced BEast guys. Also, the Head Coaches on our remaining schedule are about as good as it gets.

My concerns are certainly more profound going in to next week.

[94GRAD]

Ok,
I will post my concerns.

It is 100% based on our roster with so little Big East in conference experience. The necessary wins to get where we want to go, is loaded with hardened, experienced BEast guys. Also, the Head Coaches on our remaining schedule are about as good as it gets.

We play DePaul twice so this absolutely false

[Xville]

We play DePaul twice so this absolutely false

And Ed Cooley—-mediocre

Kyle Neptune-yeah no

February is a very advantageous schedule for x considering the big East. If someone doesn’t believe that, then they haven’t been paying attention.

[Xuperman]

We play DePaul twice so this absolutely false

No doubt, but it is a given that their entire program is a full blown dumpster fire....from the TOP down.

[X-band '01]

I fully expect Cooley to blow up the roster next year like Matta did this year. There was only one Butler player (Thomas) who played on Tuesday that sniffed the floor for the Bulldogs last year. Matta had a roster of players who spent time last year at:

St. John's (Alexander)
Michigan State (Brooks)
Northeastern (Telfort)
UC-Irvine (Davis)
Bucknell (Screen)

[noteggs]

Speaking of DePaul, it’s the one year anniversary of eighth ranked Xavier squad waltzed into Wintrust and lost. DePaul went 3-17 last year. For some reason, my concerns tend to be historical.

If we are talking about this year’s squad, Oakland and Delaware come to mind.

[Xuperman]

I was hoping someone else could reveal their concerns about where we are going forward.....not just to critique what I just posted about what this team has in front of them.

[Xuperman]

Speaking of DePaul, it’s the one year anniversary of eighth ranked Xavier squad waltzed into Wintrust and lost. DePaul went 3-17 last year. For some reason, my concerns tend to be historical.

If we are talking about this year’s squad, Oakland and Delaware come to mind.

Can you detail your specific concerns for this team? Just not seeing anyone willing to post any realities.

[waggy]

My concern is whether Abou plays without fouling.

And my hope is McKnight continues to be aggressive offensively.

Can the bench provide more consistency.

[Xville]

Just saw this.. didn’t realize it happened a couple of weeks ago. Should have been a technical at least.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1741183856374341811

Shaka’s a clown

[bobbiemcgee]

Can the bench provide more consistency.

Dez 36 mins, Q 36 mins and DMc 38 mins

[UCGRAD4X]

Dez 36 mins, Q 36 mins and DMc 38 mins

Xavier trailed 36 min.

[JTG]

Xavier trailed 36 min.

Gotta go with your horses when you're in a dogfight. After rewatching the last 30 seconds, maybe Sean should consider trapping using Swain more frequently. With his arms and length, it's like being guarded by an octopus.

[X-band '01]

There were back-to-back possessions late in the 1st half where Xavier was able to execute a half-court trap and steal. Their next possession, they forced a 10-second call against Georgetown. Providence and Butler have also gotten rattled when Xavier would suddenly start pressing the ball out of nowhere.

We'll see how prepared Creighton is for the next game.

[X-band '01]

All the Big East games this weekend have been fantastic.

And then there's Butler-DePaul in a couple hours.

[Xville]

Love this conference.

[Three Point Pete]

Prudential Center is rocking! Double OT.

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[bjf123]

Players for both the Jays and Pirates are going to need medical attention after this game. The refs are swallowing their whistles.


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