2023-24 Bengals

[94GRAD]

Hopefully, this isn't serious. Burrow carted off.

https://twitter.com/JamesRapien/status/1684656205308784640

[D-West & PO-Z]

Calf injury. Hope for the best and just a cramp/minor strain.

[xu82]

Calf injury. Hope for the best and just a cramp/minor strain.

He already had a wrap on it, so apparently it’s not something new. Hope it’s no big deal.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yeah hope so. Never like to see the cart but hopefully precautionary.

[GoMuskies]

I was offered tickets to the Chiefs/Bengals game on 12/31 in Arrowhead last night. I think I'll take the offeror up on that one.

[xu82]

WOW! Those are some serious tix!

[bobbiemcgee]

BAM back vs pack

[waggy]

WTF is the hold up with the Burrow contract? The Bengals man.

[xavierj]

WTF is the hold up with the Burrow contract? The Bengals man.

My guess is he wants Tee taken care of first and then also figuring out how to make him the highest paid QB in the league. The new bengals are not the old bengals. Mike’s daughter and granddaughters are running the team. They are set to be good for awhile. They also have one of the best GM’s in the league even though he isn’t titled the GM.

[D-West & PO-Z]

My guess is he wants Tee taken care of first and then also figuring out how to make him the highest paid QB in the league. The new bengals are not the old bengals. Mike’s daughter and granddaughters are running the team. They are set to be good for awhile. They also have one of the best GM’s in the league even though he isn’t titled the GM.

He meaning Burrow? So what does that mean if Tee isn't taken care of he would maybe not sign? The scenario he wants Tee taken care of thats why he isnt signed only makes sense if he either would take less money and not be highest paid or if he's saying he wouldn't sign if they don't sign Tee. Otherwise I'm not sure how waiting on Burrow helps sign Tee.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Also, what is Tee's market? Top what paid reciver?

With needing to sign Burrow and Chase later, the Bengals would probably be smart, imo, not to sign Tee to a massive contract. Especially if they have one of the best GM's in the league who can find another WR in the draft. WR is a premium position I know, and as someone who isn't a Bengals fan I'm not as well versed on their roster and who else they need to sign etc, but essentially paying two guys #1 WR money while also having the highest paid QB is a tall task while not ignoring the rest of the roster.

[chico]

I think Burrow wants Tee to stay so is willing to get creative - whatever that means, maybe a rolling contract. And I want Tee to stay. He's a legit number 1 receiver who actually played better when Chase was injured. He's learned to get better separation and has some of the best hands in football. Maybe it will end up costing too much to keep them both but the Bengals need to do whatever they can to keep Tee here.

[boozehound]

Also, what is Tee's market? Top what paid reciver?

With needing to sign Burrow and Chase later, the Bengals would probably be smart, imo, not to sign Tee to a massive contract. Especially if they have one of the best GM's in the league who can find another WR in the draft. WR is a premium position I know, and as someone who isn't a Bengals fan I'm not as well versed on their roster and who else they need to sign etc, but essentially paying two guys #1 WR money while also having the highest paid QB is a tall task while not ignoring the rest of the roster.

I agree that it's probably not in the Bengals' best interest to sign Chase, Burrow, and Higgins to Mega-contracts. If all 3 want to take a little less to stay together I'd love that, but we have to pay a defense and O-line if we really want to win a Super Bowl.

I also don't really get the vibe that Burrow is willing to take a massive home town discount, or I think he would already be signed.

Sign Burrow first then see if you can sign Higgins without breaking the bank.

[bjf123]

I think the main reason he hasn’t signed is the team stopped negotiating when he got hurt. Mike Brown isn’t going to agree to a contract with boatload of guaranteed money to an injured player.


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[bobbiemcgee]

I don't why they would stop negotiating with Joey B...he's the franchise. They drafted some good wr's in Yochi and Charlie Jones.

[xu82]

Spotrac had Burrows Market Value at $54M per year which would make him highest paid in the league.

They also have the following for next year's Bengal UFAs.
Higgins - $22.7M
Reader - $16M
Boyd - $15.2M
Williams - 14.9M
Smith - $10.3M

Chase currently at $24.9M

We know they don’t WANT to pay all these guys, because they are the Bengals. I have to wonder IF they CAN sign these guys due to all the guaranteed money involved that has to go into escrow. Are they just cheap, or are they also “poor” by NFL standards?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Going to be tough to have 47.6 million a year invested in 2 guys at the same position.

The Chiefs didn't even want to invest big money at that position for 1 guy, knowing the others on their team who needed to sign. And they still won the SB.

If Burrow is really the #2 QB in the league (and I think he is) the Bengals don't need to pay 2 WR's #1 WR money.

[xu82]

Going to be tough to have 47.6 million a year invested in 2 guys at the same position.

The Chiefs didn't even want to invest big money at that position for 1 guy, knowing the others on their team who needed to sign. And they still won the SB.

If Burrow is really the #2 QB in the league (and I think he is) the Bengals don't need to pay 2 WR's #1 WR money.

That would mean about $100 Mil of cap money for three players. I don’t know what kind of team you can field with all that money going to just 3 guys.

[D-West & PO-Z]

That would mean about $100 Mil of cap money for three players. I don’t know what kind of team you can field with all that money going to just 3 guys.

All on the same side of the ball.

[xu82]

Burrow is terrific, for sure, but I’m not worried (as a Bills fan) long term about the Bengals. I just don’t think they can sustain it by having the cash to pay everyone.

The Raiders a few years ago lost some key pieces because they just plain could not afford to put up all the guaranteed money. The salary cap does NOT create an even playing field. The advantage still goes to the wealthiest.

Josh Allen’s deal is now old news, but that was $150 Mil guaranteed that had to go into escrow when he signed that deal. Can the Bengals handle that plus more for Burrows, and still keep the team around him when their deals are up, many as soon as next year?

[paulxu]

There is a wonderful article in the Washington Post on the “genius” of Joe Burrow.
Great reading of you can get to it.

[Xville]

Burrow is terrific, for sure, but I’m not worried (as a Bills fan) long term about the Bengals. I just don’t think they can sustain it by having the cash to pay everyone.

The Raiders a few years ago lost some key pieces because they just plain could not afford to put up all the guaranteed money. The salary cap does NOT create an even playing field. The advantage still goes to the wealthiest.

Josh Allen’s deal is now old news, but that was $150 Mil guaranteed that had to go into escrow when he signed that deal. Can the Bengals handle that plus more for Burrows, and still keep the team around him when their deals are up, many as soon as next year?

Advantage goes to wealthiest and smartest. If it was just wealthiest, then the panthers, cowboys would win the Super Bowl almost every year.

I think the bengals can handle long termed success (whatever that means in the nfl) if they are smart. As good as Higgins is, you gotta let him go due to salary cap etc. burrow and chase are the priorities and you can’t sign everyone.

[xu82]

Advantage goes to wealthiest and smartest. If it was just wealthiest, then the panthers, cowboys would win the Super Bowl almost every year.

I think the bengals can handle long termed success (whatever that means in the nfl) if they are smart. As good as Higgins is, you gotta let him go due to salary cap etc. burrow and chase are the priorities and you can’t sign everyone.

Yes, you must be smart AND wealthy. No matter how smart you are, if you can’t afford to do the smart thing you are at a disadvantage. Most people leading NFL franchises are smart (sorry, Jerruh, not you!). But you need to be able to stroke the checks. I think I read the Raiders and Bengals have the “poorest” owners.

EDIT: I do think I like the way the Bengals draft. Haven’t they drafted well the last few years beyond a QB and a WR? I don’t love the Bills drafts, so advantage Bengals there. That’s great because that’s where the cheap talent comes from.

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[boozehound]

My understanding is due to the revenue sharing pretty much any team should be able to afford to spend to the salary cap. Whether they choose to or not is a different question. I believe that the Bengals have spent very close to the salary cap in recent years. There is also a rule that a team has to spend at least 89% of the salary cap over a rolling 4 year period.

All that to say that I don't think the Bengals are going to spend less than other teams because they aren't as wealthy as other owners. That's not really how the NFL works.

[waggy]

11% of the current salary cap almost $25M. Not a bad gig if you can get it. I believe though the Bengals are usually about mid pac.

[Xville]

Burrow is terrific, for sure, but I’m not worried (as a Bills fan) long term about the Bengals. I just don’t think they can sustain it by having the cash to pay everyone.

The Raiders a few years ago lost some key pieces because they just plain could not afford to put up all the guaranteed money. The salary cap does NOT create an even playing field. The advantage still goes to the wealthiest.

Josh Allen’s deal is now old news, but that was $150 Mil guaranteed that had to go into escrow when he signed that deal. Can the Bengals handle that plus more for Burrows, and still keep the team around him when their deals are up, many as soon as next year?

You sure about that guaranteed money portion? From what I understand it can be paid out in annual installments so I’m not following what you’re putting down.

I think the real problem is giving money to the wrong people i.e. not being smart within the confines of the cap

[D-West & PO-Z]

My understanding is due to the revenue sharing pretty much any team should be able to afford to spend to the salary cap. Whether they choose to or not is a different question. I believe that the Bengals have spent very close to the salary cap in recent years. There is also a rule that a team has to spend at least 89% of the salary cap over a rolling 4 year period.

All that to say that I don't think the Bengals are going to spend less than other teams because they aren't as wealthy as other owners. That's not really how the NFL works.

I think you are missing 82's point. Yes most teams spend right up to the cap and there is a floor of how much you have to spend. 82's point does carry some weight (although I am not saying it is true or not true for the Bengals) in that you have to pony up the guaranteed amount in all these contracts right away.

So if Burrow gets (just made up numbers) a 300 millions dollar contract with 200 million in guarantees, once the contract is signed that 200 million had to be produced by the Bengals and put into escrow. Obviously the Bengals will be happy to do so for Burrow. But it does beg the question will they be happy or able to do so for others, especially when they seem to have a lot of young big time players up for extensions. So you have big guarantees that need to be ponied up for Burrow and Chase which are obvious but will they want to do the same for Higgins etc.

[D-West & PO-Z]

You sure about that guaranteed money portion? From what I understand it can be paid out in annual installments so I’m not following what you’re putting down.

I think the real problem is giving money to the wrong people i.e. not being smart within the confines of the cap

i am pretty sure he is right. It isn't paid to the player right away but the total amount has to be put up right away.

[Xville]

i am pretty sure he is right. It isn't paid to the player right away but the total amount has to be put up right away.

I think that’s only the signing bonus, not the fully guaranteed amount

[D-West & PO-Z]

I just read 3 different articles and that told me 3 different things about this rule. So I am now more confused than ever.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I think that’s only the signing bonus, not the fully guaranteed amount

The signing bonus I thought was paid right away but maybe I am wrong. I was understanding the total guarantees had to be put into escrow right away as well. I just read one thing that confirmed that, one that made it less clear, and another that said it was optional. So no idea now.

[Xville]

The signing bonus I thought was paid right away but maybe I am wrong. I was understanding the total guarantees had to be put into escrow right away as well. I just read one thing that confirmed that, one that made it less clear, and another that said it was optional. So no idea now.

I’m confident about the signing bonus, we are correct on that one. The guaranteed money though I question the escrow statement. I don’t know if that’s right or not.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I’m confident about the signing bonus, we are correct on that one. The guaranteed money though I question the escrow statement. I don’t know if that’s right or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PFnu0WVJVQ&t=866s

Skip to 6:50 (earlier than that they actually reference the Bengals and the reason they sold naming rights to Paycor for the stadium was bc of needing to pay Chase and Burrow and the escrow rule).

Sounds like after a bunch of legal mumbo jumbo they have to deposit 75% of the contract minus $15,000,000.

So if Burrow got $200 million they would need to deposit $135 million.

I think is what I got from watching the part of the video that matters. Then it is paid out over the various years.

I guess they have some time in the year to deposit it by as well depending on when the contract was signed.

[xu82]

I’m not swearing this is the ultimate source of truth, but the first thing I stumbled across agreed with my understanding of the situation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/11llf26/nfl_teams_are_required_to_put_guaranteed_money_in/

EDIT: from this article:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-insider-notes-deshaun-watsons-game-changing-deal-and-its-ramifications-hottest-topic-at-owners-meetings/

“Per current league rules, all future fully guaranteed money due in a player contract must be placed in escrow at the time the deal is consummated. It's antiquated and has long been a bone of contention for the NFLPA. It was implemented long before the NFL became the 365-days-a-year revenue and content monster it is now, and it was put in place on the surface to prevent a team from defaulting on a contract to a player.”

A team might need to park a couple hundred million plus in escrow if you’ve got some superstars. You need to have a bit of extra cash laying around, and not every team is on equal footing financially. It’s a function of the market/team and how many billions your owner has.

I also find some other stuff that seems more fuzzy, but placing it in escrow on contract day was my understanding. There may be some wrinkles there that some capologist can help us with.

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[Xville]

Thank you both. Learned something new today! I think that’s an odd policy but is what it is.

Regardless, will be interesting to see how the bengals handle everything. Can’t keep everyone.

[xu82]

I think you are missing 82's point. Yes most teams spend right up to the cap and there is a floor of how much you have to spend. 82's point does carry some weight (although I am not saying it is true or not true for the Bengals) in that you have to pony up the guaranteed amount in all these contracts right away.

So if Burrow gets (just made up numbers) a 300 millions dollar contract with 200 million in guarantees, once the contract is signed that 200 million had to be produced by the Bengals and put into escrow. Obviously the Bengals will be happy to do so for Burrow. But it does beg the question will they be happy or able to do so for others, especially when they seem to have a lot of young big time players up for extensions. So you have big guarantees that need to be ponied up for Burrow and Chase which are obvious but will they want to do the same for Higgins etc.

Public reps all I got

Thanks for spelling that out better than I did. :-)

For the record, many Bills fans respect but don’t fear the Chiefs. We’ve beaten them a bunch, just not at the right times. The Bengals, however….well, it’s a more frightening matchup. Due to all the contracts coming up, NOW would seem like a good time for the Bengals to win a trophy. If the Bills can’t win it (and history is suggesting winning is unlikely) I really want it to be the Bengals.


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[xu82]

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1699821202863268042

Burrow gets his deal?

[Xville]

Cha Ching… yowza

[xu82]

Cha Ching… yowza

That came with a question mark, but yowza indeed.

I think it’s still informed speculation.

[xu82]

I’m hearing 5 years and $275 mil. About right. The guaranteed money is always the last number to come out as the agents want to look good for a while and bask in the BIG number. Guaranteed dollars is what matters. Not just for the escrow amount, but so you can get out without too much damage in things go south.

[D-West & PO-Z]

$219 mil guaranteed.

Higgins is gonna look great in a Giants jersey!

Well deserved by Burrow.

[xu82]

$219 mil guaranteed.

Higgins is gonna look great in a Giants jersey!

Well deserved by Burrow.

Daboll will know how to use him.

[boozehound]

I think you are missing 82's point. Yes most teams spend right up to the cap and there is a floor of how much you have to spend. 82's point does carry some weight (although I am not saying it is true or not true for the Bengals) in that you have to pony up the guaranteed amount in all these contracts right away.

So if Burrow gets (just made up numbers) a 300 millions dollar contract with 200 million in guarantees, once the contract is signed that 200 million had to be produced by the Bengals and put into escrow. Obviously the Bengals will be happy to do so for Burrow. But it does beg the question will they be happy or able to do so for others, especially when they seem to have a lot of young big time players up for extensions. So you have big guarantees that need to be ponied up for Burrow and Chase which are obvious but will they want to do the same for Higgins etc.

I'm not sure I was missing his point, as much as I didn't realize that the Bengals had to put the full guaranteed amount in escrow. I thought that they just had to keep paying him even if he got hurt or retired. Either way I assume the Bengals could find someone to finance it if they didn't want to put up the cash right away since they have a guaranteed revenue stream worth at least $375MM annually. I'm more worried about the Bengals choosing not to pay people vs not being able to.

It's a (somewhat) moot point at the moment as the Bengals just locked Burrow up in a MEGA contract. Barring significant injury I think he is worth it, but it's a lot of cash at one position. They would be insane to pay Tee Higgins at this point.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Oh, Burrow is no doubt worth every penny. There wasn't even a decision for him. But I continue to think it will be tough for them to pay both Chase and Higgins #1 WR money. I think if they end up not signing Higgins long term fans are going to be mad but I think the Bengals would be prudent to spend that money elsewhere given they lock up Chase.

[UCGRAD4X]

Oh, Burrow is no doubt worth every penny. There wasn't even a decision for him. But I continue to think it will be tough for them to pay both Chase and Higgins #1 WR money. I think if they end up not signing Higgins long term fans are going to be mad but I think the Bengals would be prudent to spend that money elsewhere given they lock up Chase.

They just need to find another young stud receiver that they can keep on a 1st contract.

[xu82]

They just need to find another young stud receiver that they can keep on a 1st contract.

Bill Belichick has been looking for a good WR in the draft for about 20 years. So far, no luck. But then, I think he lets his dog make some of the draft picks.

It’s funny how the game has changed. The RB was the primo position back in the day, and the QB might only throw 15-20 passes in a game. Now they might throw 15 on a couple long drives in a quarter! Now if you are the best athlete you play QB or WR by choice. It’s where you find the glory and the money.

[kane79]

The signing bonus I thought was paid right away but maybe I am wrong. I was understanding the total guarantees had to be put into escrow right away as well. I just read one thing that confirmed that, one that made it less clear, and another that said it was optional. So no idea now.

there was an article i read awhile back about deshaun watson's contract and it said the guaranteed money being put into escrow was a rule from back when teh league was new and there was a fear of some teams going bankrupt. It said that the league COULD make the team put the full guaranteed amount into escrow.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfls-funding-rule-isnt-mandatory-did-the-browns-make-escrow-payment-for-deshaun-watson-deal

[xu82]

there was an article i read awhile back about deshaun watson's contract and it said the guaranteed money being put into escrow was a rule from back when teh league was new and there was a fear of some teams going bankrupt. It said that the league COULD make the team put the full guaranteed amount into escrow.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfls-funding-rule-isnt-mandatory-did-the-browns-make-escrow-payment-for-deshaun-watson-deal

Who would figure the Browns and Haslam would be the ones to try to skirt around something! Haha

I saw this as I was looking up the general topic. That is why I said there is some fuzzy info out there. When I read it my first thought is if it is customary practice for the NFL to require it of everyone else (which is generally accepted as true) what happened here that we don’t know about. Because it says “may” in one place does not mean it doesn’t small “shall” somewhere else. The other owners were PISSED at Haslam for the fully guaranteed contract, I’m sure. Horrible precedent to set, and I’d think they would lean on their employee, Goodell, to deal with it. But I don’t think it has to be collusion.

One little bit at the end of the article made me question the source to some degree. It said “And it would seem to strengthen any argument that teams and the league are colluding to refuse to fully guarantee contracts.” We don’t need to collude for each of us to decide independently not to lay down on the train track. That’s like saying the reason I’m not employed in the NFL is collusion, they all decided it together. No, signing me would be dumb. But I’m just one guy they can cut. Fully guaranteed contracts is dumber than signing me. By including that it makes me wonder what the author’s full agenda is.

I’m curious as to the facts here. I may throw it out to my NFL message board. Some of these guys worked in the league and may provide some light on this.

It could just be Florio being Florio.


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[waggy]

It could just be Florio being Florio.


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His “percentage of cap” obsession is so stupid.

[xuwillie]

Bengals looking like complete crap on offense.

[Xville]

No way burrow is close to healthy. I don’t think I have seen him plant his foot once on a pass. The browns d is also playing great.

[noteggs]

Listening first half on radio and said wet conditions weren’t ideal coming off his injury. So yeah, not 100% healthy. Regardless, the whole team played like shit!

BTW, what the hell is with Browns new mascot. Looked hideous on the field!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Could be worse, could be a Giants fan, ugh.

[Masterofreality]

Dub. (Shoulder Shrug)

[Masterofreality]

Bengals looking like complete crap on offense.

You are now going against a Jim Schwartz defense, not a Joe Woods defense anymore

[xavierj]

You are now going against a Jim Schwartz defense, not a Joe Woods defense anymore

Who was the DC for the browns last year? It was the same thing in Cleveland, except It wasn’t the first game of the year. Bengals were dominated and didn’t score a point until the 4th quarter. Burrow got rocked that game as well. For whatever reason, the Browns are a horrible matchup for this Bengals group, especially Burrow. The Browns do have talent on both sides of the ball, not a big fan of Watson, but they have good athletic skill guys on offense and defense, so let’s see if they can keep from screwing it up.

[nickgyp]

No way burrow is close to healthy. I don’t think I have seen him plant his foot once on a pass. The browns d is also playing great.

Not sure how much of his health condition was attributable to his leg but it seemed that Burrow exhibited little emotion during the game. Granted, playing football in the rain after little prep work is no picnic but from my vantage point it appeared he just lacked the fire that he usually plays with during games.

[boozehound]

Not sure how much of his health condition was attributable to his leg but it seemed that Burrow exhibited little emotion during the game. Granted, playing football in the rain after little prep work is no picnic but from my vantage point it appeared he just lacked the fire that he usually plays with during games.

Something was definitely up (at least I kind of hope). We have played horribly against the Browns for a while, but even by those standards this was a poor effort. They basically just gave up with plenty of time left by trying that risky 4th down conversation and then just mailing it in when it failed. Then the pulled Burrow with plenty of time left. Neither of those are things that an NFL Team with a top QB would normally do.

[paulxu]

It would suck to be a Jets fan today.

[Masterofreality]

It would suck to be a Jets fan today.

Uh, the Jets beat Buffalo last night.
Paul, wrong again.

[paulxu]

Well, that's the short view for sure.
I'd be disappointed if we lost Burrow for a year on the first series from scrimmage.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Uh, the Jets beat Buffalo last night.
Paul, wrong again.

Jets fans had a happy few moments at the end of the game and then were slapped with the reality they will be starting their bust 1st round QB the rest of the year.

The Jets are cursed and it indeed sucks to be a Jets fan today.

[xu82]

Jets fans had a happy few moments at the end of the game and then were slapped with the reality they will be starting their bust 1st round QB the rest of the year.

The Jets are cursed and it indeed sucks to be a Jets fan today.

I have to second this. We all knew his age, and that there is always the risk of injury, but FOUR PLAYS? Really? Rodgers was the “missing piece”, the savior. And four plays in he’s gone. Good for them winning a strange game, and one HELL of a TD catch in good coverage, but this must be a hollow feeling.

[zippin']

With virtually the same offense as last year, this team is a mystery. Seems like Burrow's injury is worse than we were lead to believe. Could be a long season.

[boozehound]

With virtually the same offense as last year, this team is a mystery. Seems like Burrow's injury is worse than we were lead to believe. Could be a long season.

Offensive line arguably should be better this year, but they still blow and Burrow still only has like 2 seconds to get rid of the ball before he gets hit. When do you fire Frank Pollack?

[bjf123]

Still only the second week with the o-line playing together in a real game. Starting slow just like last year. Hey Zac, maybe they should actually play in the preseason!!!!!


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[bleedXblue]

o lines and d lines are still not very good

Both Cleveland and Baltimore's are significantly better

I see a 9-10 win season. Maybe lucky to get into the playoffs........IF Burrow can stay on the field. He already had limited mobility.........

[xuwillie]

o lines and d lines are still not very good

Both Cleveland and Baltimore's are significantly better

I see a 9-10 win season. Maybe lucky to get into the playoffs........IF Burrow can stay on the field. He already had limited mobility.........

Agree. Both lines suck and Burrow not being 100% I see this team maybe winning 8 games. Calf injuries linger forever so I don’t see him being completely healthy all season.

[zippin']

Offensive line arguably should be better this year, but they still blow and Burrow still only has like 2 seconds to get rid of the ball before he gets hit. When do you fire Frank Pollack?

I don't love the idea of firing people early in the season but something has to give. Burrow is going to pull a Luck on us if he keeps getting banged up like this.

[bobbiemcgee]

o lines and d lines are still not very good

Both Cleveland and Baltimore's are significantly better

I see a 9-10 win season. Maybe lucky to get into the playoffs........IF Burrow can stay on the field. He already had limited mobility.........

Think Browns are done with the Chubb injury. Such a huge part of offense.

[xavierj]

I don't love the idea of firing people early in the season but something has to give. Burrow is going to pull a Luck on us if he keeps getting banged up like this.

Who can you fire for Burrow hurting his calf?

[xu82]

Who can you fire for Burrow hurting his calf?

I’m available if it comes with a package!

[zippin']

Who can you fire for Burrow hurting his calf?

I think ZT should be somewhat under fire here for playing Burrow too early when he obviously wasn't healthy. They could have been 0-2 anyway from starting a backup and now we'd be going into an easier part of the schedule with a healthy Burrow. Now we're 0-2 with estimates of Burrow missing 2-8 weeks.

[xavierj]

I think ZT should be somewhat under fire here for playing Burrow too early when he obviously wasn't healthy. They could have been 0-2 anyway from starting a backup and now we'd be going into an easier part of the schedule with a healthy Burrow. Now we're 0-2 with estimates of Burrow missing 2-8 weeks.

Zac listens to the doctors and Burrow. If either the doctors or Joe said he can’t go, then Zac wouldn’t play him. Every other coach in the league would do the same. Joe had a calf strain like two months ago. They usually don’t take that long to heal and have no idea if it is hurt now or not. There is a difference between soreness and tissue damage. Always refer to the doctors and players.

[bleedXblue]

I know Burrow is not 100% but this offense lacks any punch whatsoever. Cant run and don't get the ball down the field at all. What happened to Chase being a deep ball threat? They look slow offensively and play calling lacks creativity.

[xuwillie]

I know Burrow is not 100% but this offense lacks any punch whatsoever. Cant run and don't get the ball down the field at all. What happened to Chase being a deep ball threat? They look slow offensively and play calling lacks creativity.

Yeah burrow not healthy doesn’t help but they have more issues then that. Peyton manning could barely move and was hurt his last 5 years and still put up crazy numbers (except for his last year). Keeping Mixon and not getting a legit TE where bad calls

[Strange Brew]

Zac listens to the doctors and Burrow. If either the doctors or Joe said he can’t go, then Zac wouldn’t play him. Every other coach in the league would do the same. Joe had a calf strain like two months ago. They usually don’t take that long to heal and have no idea if it is hurt now or not. There is a difference between soreness and tissue damage. Always refer to the doctors and players.

+1

[GoMuskies]

Burrow saw a mystical healer at halftime.

[bobbiemcgee]

Cmon D

[Strange Brew]

Burrow saw a mystical healer at halftime.

Media magicians. ;)

Just said, “the narrative can shift”. ;)

[bleedXblue]

Yeah burrow not healthy doesn’t help but they have more issues then that. Peyton manning could barely move and was hurt his last 5 years and still put up crazy numbers (except for his last year). Keeping Mixon and not getting a legit TE where bad calls

Totally agree. They also need some speed on the offense beyond Chase.

[zippin']

Bengals and Reds seasons end on the same day. Tough.

[Xville]

Bengals should seriously contemplate shutting burrow down for the season. Their line is awful, he is clearly injured, and they aren’t going anywhere this year.

Tank and then trade out of one of the top five picks in what is an extremely strong qb class

[bleedXblue]

I think a lot of people don't understand his limited mobility. He cant extend plays at all or improvise in any way. That extra 1-2 seconds is huge.

I tend to agree....I would sit him the next 2 weeks and see if we can somehow win one of those. If we cant, its on to next year

[kane79]

Bengals and Reds seasons end on the same day. Tough.

this use to be the norm

[zippin']

this use to be the norm

I mean yeah, but I was hopeful Burrow would help us turn the corner.

[D-West & PO-Z]

$219 mil guaranteed.

Higgins is gonna look great in a Giants jersey!

Well deserved by Burrow.

If Tee's season continues like this, the Bengals are going to be able to afford him just fine, lol.

[bobbiemcgee]

Joe threw one 58 yds. In the air.

[Xville]

Joe looked a hundred times better today. It was against a pretty shitty team so I’m not going to get too excited but His movement in the pocket alone looked almost back to normal. The bye comes at a great time after next week.

[STL_XUfan]

Joe looked a hundred times better today. It was against a pretty shitty team so I’m not going to get too excited but His movement in the pocket alone looked almost back to normal. The bye comes at a great time after next week.
Game next week is huge. The two after the bye are rough, so don’t want to be 2-6 heading into the back half of the season.

[UCGRAD4X]

Joe threw one 58 yds. In the air.

and one later almost as far that he overthrew just a bit - receiver got held up a bit so might have met the mark just like the one to Chase

Seems like the previous one to Chase didn't affect him / aggravate anything (except Arizona fans)

Can we say, "He's Baaaaaaaack!"

[noteggs]

Pretty cool about Trenton Irwin

https://x.com/char_cliff/status/1712610727024898462?s=42&t=U5TyKr_wshJKowj_nNzfHg

[GoMuskies]

Pretty cool about Trenton Irwin

https://x.com/char_cliff/status/1712610727024898462?s=42&t=U5TyKr_wshJKowj_nNzfHg

Cool story....but makes me glad I don't live in Cincinnati sharing the road with her! :)

[GoMuskies]

Ouch. Tough one-liner from the WSJ in an article about receiver Andrei Iosivas:

"But instead of vying to become the World’s Greatest Athlete at the Paris games, he chose a career path that took him somewhere slightly less glamorous: Cincinnati. "

[xavierj]

Ouch. Tough one-liner from the WSJ in an article about receiver Andrei Iosivas:

"But instead of vying to become the World’s Greatest Athlete at the Paris games, he chose a career path that took him somewhere slightly less glamorous: Cincinnati. "

Have never been to Paris but my guess is this guy probably has not been to Cincinnati in the last 20 years. City has changed for the better quite a bit. Also I am guessing long term, Andrei chose a path where he can make a hell of a lot more money.

[bobbiemcgee]

Love Yoshi and Cincy.

[bobbiemcgee]

So Xavier day @ Bengals.

[UCGRAD4X]

So Xavier day @ Bengals.

Well that sucks! I bet UC gets their day when the Bengals actually play!

[bobbiemcgee]

We're back!

[Xville]

We're back!

Yes sir! I honestly thought burrow was never going to be healthy this year, glad to see I was extremely wrong! Should be in the playoffs once again barring injuries.

[xuwillie]

Yes sir! I honestly thought burrow was never going to be healthy this year, glad to see I was extremely wrong! Should be in the playoffs once again barring injuries.

Burrow was amazing. Going under center is huge for the running game and play action. I Would like to see a few more deep balls in the coming weeks.

[murray87]

I too was very wrong about this team. This team is completely different now that Joe is healthy and able to run when needed. Everything was clicking yesterday. Keep it rolling boys, huge showdown vs. Buffalo on Sunday night.

[xu82]

I too was very wrong about this team. This team is completely different now that Joe is healthy and able to run when needed. Everything was clicking yesterday. Keep it rolling boys, huge showdown vs. Buffalo on Sunday night.

As the resident Bills fan, I am very concerned. No doubt about that. The Bills don’t match up well with the Bengals and we are wildly inconsistent his year. The offense puts up points in spurts, but looks like a mess for long stretches. The defense is again decimated by injuries, losing our CB1 (Achilles), run stopping DT (pec) and their best player, LB Matt Milano (broken leg). Von Miller is an old man who tore his ACL last Thanksgiving and slowly playing into game shape.

I’m always nervous as a fan, but I sure like the Bengals chances here. The Bengals seem to play more physical, and we are light and built for speed and the more finesse style of the Chiefs.

[bobbiemcgee]

Season fucked.

[noteggs]

Looks like it. F*#k

[Xville]

Yep. Time to start losing on purpose.

[Xville]

Browning doesn’t look awful, so there’s that.

[Xville]

Well it’s official. They’re fucked this year.

[xu82]

Burrow out for the year.

https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1725599710944137672?s=20

Crap, I don’t know how to embed that. That sucks, and goes to show that ANY team is just one lousy injury from devastation. It’s a game of attrition and you can’t afford to lose your key pieces.


.

[bobbiemcgee]

Browning doesn’t look awful, so there’s that.
He looks,,pretty good.....0T

[bobbiemcgee]

358yds.

[Xville]

Wow that was damn impressive by browning. Bengals could go on a little run and get to 8-6. Very much still in the playoff mix again. Wild

Feel bad for Lawrence. Injuries to qbs this year have been awful

[bobbiemcgee]

Now JAX is fucked.

[bobbiemcgee]

Improbable win.

[bjf123]

Improbable win.

That’s putting it mildly!


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[noteggs]

Reader out for season. Torn ligament in Quad. Sounds painful

[paulxu]

Great catch here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZodG-_eugZM